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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Avraham David Ben Leib on August 17, 2007, 05:55:15 PM
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I am shocked and appalled at all the bashing of Barry Chamish on this forum.
These lies and distortions against Barry are truly disgusting.
Barry Chamish has literally put his life on the line by exposing the perfidy of the Israeli government and the evils of Labor Zionism.
If this is how you treat a Jewish hero, then maybe I need to re-evaluate my affiliation with JTF.
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Barry Chamish is a psychopath.
I have heard him speak many times.
He is a complete lunatic.
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Can't he have some crazy ideas and still love Eretz Israel?
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Sure.
But if he loved Eretz Yisrael so much he wouldn't have intermarried and moved to Arizona.
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I am not saying he isn't flawed, just that if he does sincerely care about the Jewish people I would be willing to forgive a lot.
I certainly am not a flawless human being.
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Yeah, but his writings have this scent of lunacy to them.
I can smell it.
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I don't doubt you. Chaim has even said he is insane. However, I'll take a lunatic with the right motives over a rational person who wants to destroy the Jewish people any day.
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I don't doubt you. Chaim has even said he is insane. However, I'll take a lunatic with the right motives over a rational person who wants to destroy the Jewish people any day.
Agreed.
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BARRY CHAMISH is weird, how can he believe the things he saying, it's really weird .
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I have a Torah question for you, Judea, what does Torah/Talmud say about people with character or mental flaws but who really do love the Jewish nation?
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BARRY CHAMISH is weird, how can he believe the things he saying, it's really weird .
I guess he is like the preacher/televangelist Benny Hinn then. Hinn (an Israeli-born ethnic Armenian) tells his audiences that he will raise loved ones from the dead if they bring their casket up to the TV and send him a donation and that he derives magical powers from the bones of dead evangelists by spending time near their graves.
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The only thing that comes to mind is the Talmudic dictum. "A lunatic is absolved from the Torah".
So, if he truly is insane, he doesn't have to keep the Torah.
That's all that comes to mind.
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The only thing that comes to mind is the Talmudic dictum. "A lunatic is absolved from the Torah".
So, if he truly is insane, he doesn't have to keep the Torah.
That's all that comes to mind.
I guess that lets neturei karta off the hook.
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I don't respect him marrying a Gentile, at all. But I know that, to use an example I am familiar with, Christians who get involved with non-believers are a dime a dozen, and I can't just disown all of them (as much as I deplore this). If his heart is still with his people, like I said earlier, I can overlook it. It isn't like I am marrying him. :P ;D
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I guess that lets neturei karta off the hook.
I think they are willfully evil more than insane.
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The only thing that comes to mind is the Talmudic dictum. "A lunatic is absolved from the Torah".
So, if he truly is insane, he doesn't have to keep the Torah.
That's all that comes to mind.
I guess that lets neturei karta off the hook.
Well, some of them are nuts and some are not.
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One of them that I know is truly out of his mind.
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I think they start off being evil, and become insane gradually as a result of their general depravity. (NK that is.)
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This whole thread must be some kind of a joke!
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Nebuchadnezzar, ys"vz (the Stalin of the Bible) was an extremely evil monster and tyrant that the L-rd struck insane. That might be a clue as to the mental status of NK/Satmar Jews.
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The only thing that comes to mind is the Talmudic dictum. "A lunatic is absolved from the Torah".
So, if he truly is insane, he doesn't have to keep the Torah.
That's all that comes to mind.
I guess that lets neturei karta off the hook.
Well, some of them are nuts and some are not.
In all seriousness, are there clear Talmudic destinctions between crazy, stupid and evil?
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The only thing that comes to mind is the Talmudic dictum. "A lunatic is absolved from the Torah".
So, if he truly is insane, he doesn't have to keep the Torah.
That's all that comes to mind.
I guess that lets neturei karta off the hook.
Well, some of them are nuts and some are not.
In all seriousness, are there clear Talmudic destinctions between crazy, stupid and evil?
Someone who is evil is the ultimate stupid person becuase of what awaits him in the next worls for sure.( maybe sooner).
yes, crazy is a disease where one doesnt have a choice, evil and stupid is a choice.
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In all truth I think that many people who are "stark, raving mad" are demon-possessed.
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The only thing that comes to mind is the Talmudic dictum. "A lunatic is absolved from the Torah".
So, if he truly is insane, he doesn't have to keep the Torah.
That's all that comes to mind.
I guess that lets neturei karta off the hook.
Well, some of them are nuts and some are not.
In all seriousness, are there clear Talmudic destinctions between crazy, stupid and evil?
Yes, you're certainly not absolved from the Torah if you're stupid or evil.
The basic definition of crazy is someone who destroys what you give to him.
Which I guess makes the entire Jewish people insaen for destroying what G-d gave us and giving it to the Arabs.
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The only thing that comes to mind is the Talmudic dictum. "A lunatic is absolved from the Torah".
So, if he truly is insane, he doesn't have to keep the Torah.
That's all that comes to mind.
I guess that lets neturei karta off the hook.
Well, some of them are nuts and some are not.
In all seriousness, are there clear Talmudic destinctions between crazy, stupid and evil?
Someone who is evil is the ultimate stupid person becuase of what awaits him in the next worls for sure.( maybe sooner).
yes, crazy is a disease where one doesnt have a choice, evil and stupid is a choice.
I phrased that question badly.
I mean in the case of a really twisted self-hater who thinks EY should be surrendered to arabs and Jews should assimilate and not keep the mitzvot.......
Is he cosidered:
1/ stupid for not understanding the Devine election of the Jews?
2/ Evil for wanting to destroy the Jews as a nation?
Or 3/ crazy because of 2000 years of diaspora and anti-semitism making him a self-hater in the first place?
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Which I guess makes the entire Jewish people insaen for destroying what G-d gave us and giving it to the Arabs.
Exactly what I have been saying all along. I know Chaim means well when he tries to minimize this, but the truth is that the majority of Jews DO support these absurd and suicidal retreats and concessions. The first step to winning them over will be to tell them that they are wrong and why, not to pretend that they are already on our side.
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The only thing that comes to mind is the Talmudic dictum. "A lunatic is absolved from the Torah".
So, if he truly is insane, he doesn't have to keep the Torah.
That's all that comes to mind.
I guess that lets neturei karta off the hook.
Well, some of them are nuts and some are not.
In all seriousness, are there clear Talmudic destinctions between crazy, stupid and evil?
Someone who is evil is the ultimate stupid person becuase of what awaits him in the next worls for sure.( maybe sooner).
yes, crazy is a disease where one doesnt have a choice, evil and stupid is a choice.
I phrased that question badly.
I mean in the case of a really twisted self-hater who thinks EY should be surrendered to arabs and Jews should assimilate and not keep the mitzvot.......
Is he cosidered:
1/ stupid for not understanding the Devine election of the Jews?
2/ Evil for wanting to destroy the Jews as a nation?
Or 3/ crazy because of 2000 years of diaspora and anti-semitism making him a self-hater in the first place?
different people fall in those different categories.
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Or 3/ crazy because of 2000 years of diaspora and anti-semitism making him a self-hater in the first place?
I am not someone who really buys the anti-Semitism excuse, at least for America and Israel. Maybe I would for a German or Russian or Arab Jew, but not 99% of the self-haters we hear about every day. America is not a country that will burn Jews at the stake for advocating a strong homeland. Israeli self-haters are already in the Jewish nation so then it really makes no sense.
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for Jews the "majority" means absolutly nothing. Thats why we dont count Jews. No 2 Jews are equal to eachother. One Tzaddik can be worth hundreds of people.
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Can you explain, please?
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Can you explain, please?
Their is a Jewish prohibition of not counting Jews. (but allowed indirectly like counting chairs or counting the half shekel that each has contributed). The reason for this is becuase no one is really equal to eachother. We might not know who is greater from his friend, but the actions of all individuals is different. One who works on himself and is rightious has more merit and can be worth more then other individuals and groups of people.
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Can you explain, please?
Their is a Jewish prohibition of not counting Jews. (but allowed indirectly like counting chairs or counting the half shekel that each has contributed). The reason for this is becuase no one is really equal to eachother. We might not know who is greater from his friend, but the actions of all individuals is different. One who works on himself and is rightious has more merit and can be worth more then other individuals and groups of people.
That's a good idea when you think about it.
In our 'democracy' everyone is supposedly equal. That means that when a sober, law-abiding, hard-working, educated man casts his vote, a drunken, ignorant, criminal welfare negro can also vote and cancel out the vote of the first man!.........Crazy!!
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After viewing all of the vitriolic and hateful comments in regard to Barry Chamish, I have concluded that JTF is no longer right for me.
Please accept my resignation from and affiliation with JTF from here on out.
As a result, I shall also be removing any and all JTF videos from my youtube page.
Goodbye.
Avraham David Ben Leib
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After viewing all of the vitriolic and hateful comments in regard to Barry Chamish, I have concluded that JTF is no longer right for me.
Please accept my resignation from and affiliation with JTF from here on out.
As a result, I shall also be removing any and all JTF videos from my youtube page.
Goodbye.
Avraham David Ben Leib
Because we don't think BARRY CHAMISH's ideas are true ? ???
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Avraham, can you explain to me how someone who is affiliated with neo-nazis is a "Jewish hero"?
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/189
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After viewing all of the vitriolic and hateful comments in regard to Barry Chamish, I have concluded that JTF is no longer right for me.
Please accept my resignation from and affiliation with JTF from here on out.
As a result, I shall also be removing any and all JTF videos from my youtube page.
Goodbye.
Avraham David Ben Leib
You act as if you've been here for two years and you're making a sad goodbye.
You've made 4 posts, Ok?
Don't get so full of yourself.
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I actually don't know much about him. I will have to do some research before I comment.
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Barry Chamish is affiliated with neo-Nazis? I thought that as weird as he is, he loves Jews.
I know Noam Chomsky (ys"vz, I hope the pig writhes in the lake of fire FOREVER) is affiliated with neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers, but did not know about Chamish.
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THIS GUY IS CLEARLY A NUT CASE DESPITE YOUR BEST EFFORTS TO DEFEND THIS DERANGED DERO AS A SO CALLED RIGHT WING JEW...
HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT UFO SIGHTINGS IN ISRAEL AND REALLY BELIEVES THIS NONSENSE TO BE TRUE
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I said he IS a nutcase, but a nutcase that supports his people, however misled.
And I will take an absolute lunatic who cares about Jews over a completely normal individual who has no regard for them any day.
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How do you know that his feelings are genuine if his sources bring about extra terrestrial beliefs
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Yes there were Jewish nazis sad to say http://www.bryanrigg.com/aboutme.htm
http://www.bryanrigg.com/hitlers_jewish_soldiers.htm
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Yes there were Jewish nazis sad to say http://www.bryanrigg.com/aboutme.htm
http://www.bryanrigg.com/hitlers_jewish_soldiers.htm
yea okayy. Just another piece of propaganda.