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Roseanne Barr Going Blind
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/roseanne-barr-reveals-shes-going-blind-calls-marijuana-191500556-us-weekly.html
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Roseanne does support Israel... I am not a big fan of hers but I gotta speak up in her defense. She has taken openly pro-Israel positions at great peril to her career.
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Roseanne-Barr-blasts-anti-Semitic-Jews-for-pro-BDS-views-384235
Outspoken comedian Roseanne Barr lashed out at Jews who are anti-Israel and proponents of the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions movement in her blog last week.
In a letter addressing “erev rav” Jews – a biblical phrase for the “mixed multitude,” including Egyptians, that accompanied the Jews out of slavery, often used in a derogatory context – Barr accused them of “knowing nothing about Judaism” and being hypocritical in their stance on the Arab-Israeli conflict.
“You feel it is moral to express your sympathy for those who occupy all but a sliver of the Middle East, those who stone women to death, execute gays and rape little children, and get away with doing it, because child ‘marriage’ (polygamist pedophile cults) have a priest class which absolves all pedophiles of criminal action against innocents,” she wrote.
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I kinda thought the same thing Muman.
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I thought she supported the Gaza flotilla.
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Im not sure where she stands. She has shifted positions.
Indeed she posted semi antisemitic stuff in the past. I thought she was just looking for attention...
She did make statements saying she thought the blockade was wrong. And of course I strongly disagree with that.
But I do not celebrate the illness or loss of any Jew unless I know for sure that they are 'erev rav' and have no portion in the World To Come which is promised to all of Israel.
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I don't know what to make of her. In the past she has made some disgusting comments. But recently (2014-2015) she has seemed to consistently been pro-Israel.
More from the jpost site...
While addressed to the “erev rav,” the letter ostensibly attacks other Jews who are unilaterally pro-Palestinian in the name of being liberal and pro-human rights. Or, as she wrote on Twitter, her letter was penned for “Jews who H8 Israel and Collude with anti-Semites.”
“You believe that making Judaism illegal in every Arab Country is OK? Really? You ignore the Jewish Nakba – 800 thousand expelled Jews in the middle east FORCED to move to Israel, since 1948 – by violence and hatred, their wealth stolen? You scream and yell that there should be no harbor or rest for any of them inside a Jewish State, or anywhere else on earth? REALLY?” “You ignore the FACT that the Arab world did this to Jews AFTER AUSHWITZ? You ignore the FACT that those with whom you agree are now taunting Holocaust Survivors still alive in the world, and calling them Nazis? REALLY?” she continued.
In her rant, the comedian went on to blast these Jews as “hypocrites” and “naked bigots.”
Staunchly siding with her Jewish identity and pro-Israel stance, Barr concluded her strongly worded statement by self-identifying as “a Jew, G-d Wrestler and a freedom fighter.”
Recently, Barr has taken to Twitter to show her unequivocal support for the Jewish state. In April, she tweeted: “If Israel doesn’t nuke Iran, then nothing makes sense anymore.”
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I'm not ready to call her a righteous person by the least stretch.
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I do not think she is the most righteous either. But Jews are supposed to have Ahavat Yisrael for each other... And aside from true enemies of the Jewish people (Erev Rav) we should not wish ill on any Jew.
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I hope she makes it clear which side she stands because she has made questionable statements in the past.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/696977/jewish/Love-Your-Fellow.htm
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I am not convinced she's not erev rav. I'm sure Chaim could say more than either of us, though.
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I am not convinced she's not erev rav. I'm sure Chaim could say more than either of us, though.
No doubt she falls far from JTF ideals. But it is good that she is speaking up against BDS and those who support boycotts.
Some questionable areas include supporting 'occupy wall street', she probably supports the misguided 'women of the wall' as she thinks women and men should observe the commandments the same (although the Torah clearly says women and men have different obligations). I could go on with problems I have with her positions but I will hold them for now.
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She loves the Jews:
(http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef01157249ac9a970b-pi)
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I think everyone knows about that picture ACK but that alone doesn't mean anything.
1st you must consider the source of that picture. It was not from an antisemitic source but rather a Jewish humor magazine. While I don't find anything funny about that picture I also don't think that it makes her a nazi. Also that picture is from over five years ago. A person (A Jew) can change their position (it's called making Teshuvah or repentence). If I were to be pegged to my opinions of over 10 years ago I too would be considered an anti-Israel Jew hater because just before my Teshuvah I had made some anti-Israel statements too. But after 9/11 I had a wake-up call and changed my political position almost 180 degrees (although I did have conservative traits from early in my voting career).
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But as of 2014 she made several Pro-Israel statements..
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/04/13/roseanne-barr-if-israel-doesnt-nuke-iran-then-nothing-makes-sense-anymore/
In a harshly worded Twitter post, Jewish comedian and actress Roseanne Barr on Saturday vehemently encouraged Israel to launch a nuclear strike on Iran.
“If israel doesn’t nuke iran, then nothing makes sense anymore,” she wrote on Twitter. “I’m so bored w Iran [Vladimir] Putin n all the nonLeaders of this s***soaked stupid world.”
The Salt Lake City native added a personal dig at Putin, saying about Russia’s president: “If its true that putin is putting the make on sharon stone, then I feel I can rest easier somehow. Sharon isn’t an anti semite-so that helps.”
The former Roseanne star frequently talks about Israel-related news and Judaism on her Twitter account, often lambasting those accused of anti-Israel or anti-Semitic activism. Also on Saturday, she voiced support for the release of Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard and said the “real benefit” in creating a Palestinian state would be “accountability of Hamas at [the] Hague.”
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http://www.rense.com/general76/rossn.htm (http://www.rense.com/general76/rossn.htm)
gaza
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-wells/roseanne-barr-says-israel_b_615482.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-wells/roseanne-barr-says-israel_b_615482.html)
nazi state
http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/85126/ (http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/85126/)
nazi jews vs poor gaza
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/12/31/roseanne-barr-destruction-jews-israel-assured-gaza-attacks (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/12/31/roseanne-barr-destruction-jews-israel-assured-gaza-attacks)
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ACK,
Do you think it is possible for her to change he position? I do... Also you do know Rense is an antisemitic site?
Jeff Rense is an American radio talk-show host of the Jeff Rense Program, broadcast on US satellite radio via the Rense Radio Network and Internet radio.[1]
Rense's radio program and website, Rense.com, promote fringe views such as 9/11 conspiracy theories,[2] UFO reporting, paranormal phenomena, tracking of new diseases and possible resultant pandemics, environmental concerns (see chemtrails), animal rights, possible evidence of advanced ancient technology, geopolitical developments and emergent energy technologies, complementary and alternative medicine, conspiracy theories which have been labelled anti-semitic [3] among other subjects. In addition to articles critical of Israel and Zionists, the website also carries articles which defend Iran's policies from its critics [4] and opposes anti-Iranian media bias.[5]
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Muman, yes, Jeff Rense is a Nazi, but if he is supporting Roseanne Barr, isn't that worth pointing out?
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Oh no... I guess I am wrong about her. Maybe she does indeed suffer from mental illness as she suggests. She sounds deeply troubled as a Jew. She doesn't even know what it means to be a Jew yet she thinks she is speaking to Hashem.
Her opinion of Judaism is VERY troubling. I hope that some day she finds peace but at this time her blog is full of misinformation and delusions. In a way she may be a self-hating Jew who just wants everyone to like her. She doesn't know about what it really means to be Jewish. I doubt she was raised with any proper Jewish education. She doesn't even capitalize the word Jew (and even my spell checker makes sure the word Jew is capitalized)...
Anyway, she has made some pro-Israel statements and because of that I do not wish to curse her.
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Her positions only change for the worse. Too bad her brain doesn't atrophy along with her retinas.
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I thought she supported the Gaza flotilla.
She became a "baalat teshuva" in terms of Israel-hate and Jew-hate. She is active on twitter combating the pro-arab nutjobs and jew-haters.
I think she might even have gotten a smidgen religious so the baalat teshuva term, though used in jest, isn't so far off.
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She loves the Jews:
She was idiotic then. She's come to her senses though. I've seen it with my own eyes, just look up her twitter account.
But she should directly address this behavior and own up to it and apologize or acknowledge how stupid she was. That I haven't seen yet.
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folks, I'm sure we can find a better jew to defend than this michael savage mental illness look alike.
Hey, Hitler had Jewish officers, you should forgive him too.
How can Jews defend a Jew who thinks its funny to put her brothers and sisters in the oven while wearing a Hitler stache?
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Please forgive this ex nazi, he didn't mean it:
http://news.yahoo.com/ex-nazi-bookkeeper-auschwitz-goes-trial-germany-082003432.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32392594
The poor dear is 300 years old. He came in the courtroom in a Zimmer frame walking aid.
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folks, I'm sure we can find a better jew to defend than this michael savage mental illness look alike.
Hey, Hitler had Jewish officers, you should forgive him too.
How can Jews defend a Jew who thinks its funny to put her brothers and sisters in the oven while wearing a Hitler stache?
This.
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You don't need to dig deep to discover what type of lowlife you are dealing with. This is from wikipedia:
shortly after losing the Green Party nomination, Barr announced she would run on the Peace and Freedom Party ticket with activist Cindy Sheehan as a running mate.[63] On August 4, 2012, Barr won the 2012 presidential nomination of the Peace and Freedom Party.[4][64]
This if from her own blog's archive:
http://www.roseanneworld.com/blog/2008/12/
remove israel’s influence from american government! Their occupation of and brutality against their neighbors is the real reason we were attacked on 9-11!
Israelis must dismantle their war state and make peace or die.
Israeli soldiers must resist the urge to follow their nazi leaders blindly and refuse to “obey orders” to kill UNARMED STARVING CHILDREN in Gaza.
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You don't need to dig deep to discover what type of lowlife you are dealing with. This is from wikipedia:
This if from her own blog's archive:
http://www.roseanneworld.com/blog/2008/12/
exactly why she is not worth talking about.
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Once again nobody is defending what she said. The question is whether she has changed. That article was written in 2008 (and at this time it is 2015).... She may have changed her position and this is why she is now defending Israel. Of course I have no idea what she thinks or feels, and the only way to know is to ask her straight out.
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Can you find me a press release where Roseanne Barr admits she was wrong accusing Israelis of being nazis, supporting the actual Arab nazis, blaming the Jews for 9-11, again clearing the actual nazi perpetrators of that attack of responsibility, if she changed her mind on such 'little' matter wouldn't she be obliged to say so, to admit being wrong and ask for forgiveness? But you can't find any sincere repentance can you? So, either google, bing and all the other search engines have a malfunction, or Roseanne Bar is still an evil nazi [censored].
Once again nobody is defending what she said. The question is whether she has changed. That article was written in 2008 (and at this time it is 2015).... She may have changed her position and this is why she is now defending Israel. Of course I have no idea what she thinks or feels, and the only way to know is to ask her straight out.
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Can you find me a press release where Roseanne Barr admits she was wrong accusing Israelis of being nazis, supporting the actual Arab nazis, blaming the Jews for 9-11, again clearing the actual nazi perpetrators of that attack of responsibility, if she changed her mind on such 'little' matter wouldn't she be obliged to say so, to admit being wrong and ask for forgiveness? But you can't find any sincere repentance can you? So, either google, bing and all the other search engines have a malfunction, or Roseanne Bar is still an evil nazi [censored].
You must have missed my 1st few posts in this thread because clearly she has made pro-Israel statements. I found them via google so google is not lying either.
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,80159.msg658283.html#msg658283
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Roseanne-Barr-blasts-anti-Semitic-Jews-for-pro-BDS-views-384235
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/73886/roseanne-would-like-a-word-with-jews-who-h8-israel/
Barr’s current views on Israel might surprise those who recall statements she’s made in past years. In 2010 she declared: “It’s time for American Jews to demand that Obama instruct Israel to obey international law.” The year before, she appeared on the cover of Heeb magazine dressed as Hitler and holding a tray of “burnt Jew cookies” in front of an oven, defending it as a mockery of Hitler and later claiming it was “to protest against Israel’s actions against Palestinians in Gaza.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/02/12/roseanne-barr-says-uc-davis-should-be-nuked-for-anti-israel-vote/
Comedienne, radical, and staunch Israel supporter Roseanne Barr took to Twitter this week in response to a vote by UC Davis to divest from a slew of American companies doing business in Israel.
Barr had tweeted, “I hope all the jews leave UC Davis & it then it gets nuked,” on Tuesday, before deleting her tweet, according to the Sacramento Bee.
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Once again nobody is defending what she said. The question is whether she has changed. That article was written in 2008 (and at this time it is 2015).... She may have changed her position and this is why she is now defending Israel. Of course I have no idea what she thinks or feels, and the only way to know is to ask her straight out.
uhhh...no. thats the question you made for yourself when you were debating with yourself.
you got some good points here and there but you've got to listen to people instead of yelling at an oak tree.
You don't have to suffer alone. I'm not kidding. I care for you and I want you to be better.
http://tinyurl.com/ntseoyn
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uhhh...no. thats the question you made for yourself when you were debating with yourself.
you got some good points here and there but you've got to listen to people instead of yelling at an oak tree.
You don't have to suffer alone. I'm not kidding. I care for you and I want you to be better.
http://tinyurl.com/ntseoyn
Maybe that is his diagnosis. That's a good observation ACK.
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There is no revocation, no owning up for her Jew hatred and Israel hatred past remarks. Unless she seriously admits being wrong and repent I don't care what else she has to say and don't want her support.
On top of that I think you are a fool for falling out for her empty lip service. She is still in favor of an Arab state, in favor of Israeli withdrawals, 'peace' at any cost. Just because she likes to always be provocative and say stuff to tick people off doesn't clear her of past actions.
You must have missed my 1st few posts in this thread because clearly she has made pro-Israel statements. I found them via google so google is not lying either.
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,80159.msg658283.html#msg658283
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Roseanne-Barr-blasts-anti-Semitic-Jews-for-pro-BDS-views-384235
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/73886/roseanne-would-like-a-word-with-jews-who-h8-israel/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/02/12/roseanne-barr-says-uc-davis-should-be-nuked-for-anti-israel-vote/
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There is no revocation, no owning up for her Jew hatred and Israel hatred past remarks. Unless she seriously admits being wrong and repent I don't care what else she has to say and don't want her support.
On top of that I think you are a fool for falling out for her empty lip service. She is still in favor of an Arab state, in favor of Israeli withdrawals, 'peace' at any cost. Just because she likes to always be provocative and say stuff to tick people off doesn't clear her of past actions.
You are a fool for calling me a fool Zelhar, you should know better than that.
A quick google of statements made by Roseanne on the topic of Israel reveals that she may be changing her position. If you want to continue with the hate and division, so be it, but just don't expect me to join in your juvenile gymnastics. Some people are just haters and others are not, I fall into the second category.
So you fools who want to act foolish, curse aways...
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uhhh...no. thats the question you made for yourself when you were debating with yourself.
you got some good points here and there but you've got to listen to people instead of yelling at an oak tree.
You don't have to suffer alone. I'm not kidding. I care for you and I want you to be better.
http://tinyurl.com/ntseoyn
And no, it is not a question I made for myself, it is the question when judging another person. You cannot judge a person based only on past statements. If she has influenced others towards Jew hatred, that is a liable offense, but one between her and Hashem. I am willing to judge a person based on their current behavior. Similarly it can be found in Torah that when Hashem was asked why he allowed Ishmael to live it was because he was being judged for his current behavior, not his future behavior.
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It wasn't meant as ad hominem attack. I meant it as friendly advice, don't buy into her b*s. I can bring you some pro-Israel quotes from BHO and Jimmy Carter too. Suddenly it would make them our friends? If she really changed she must admit past fault. Otherwise whatever she says is BS. Moreover a two state solution which as far as we know she still advocates is a suicide recipe and you know that too. A rational person cannot accept that act as a sincere turn around.
You are a fool for calling me a fool Zelhar, you should know better than that.
A quick google of statements made by Roseanne on the topic of Israel reveals that she may be changing her position. If you want to continue with the hate and division, so be it, but just don't expect me to join in your juvenile gymnastics. Some people are just haters and others are not, I fall into the second category.
So you fools who want to act foolish, curse aways...
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You are a fool for calling me a fool Zelhar, you should know better than that.
A quick google of statements made by Roseanne on the topic of Israel reveals that she may be changing her position. If you want to continue with the hate and division, so be it, but just don't expect me to join in your juvenile gymnastics. Some people are just haters and others are not, I fall into the second category.
So you fools who want to act foolish, curse aways...
Muman, I'm not a supporter of everyone who calls themselves a "Zionist" at the moment. At this point of time, most Americans and the vast majority of politicians of both parties claim to be pro-Israel and pro-Jewish. Clearly, they aren't actually so.
We who have known you for the past decade know that you feel that nobody (who claims to be) Jewish can do wrong by your eyes. This isn't the position of the majority of JTF, however.
We can agree to disagree, or not agree to disagree, but you're not changing anyone's minds.
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Muman, I'm not a supporter of everyone who calls themselves a "Zionist" at the moment. At this point of time, most Americans and the vast majority of politicians of both parties claim to be pro-Israel and pro-Jewish. Clearly, they aren't actually so.
We who have known you for the past decade know that you feel that nobody (who claims to be) Jewish can do wrong by your eyes. This isn't the position of the majority of JTF, however.
We can agree to disagree, or not agree to disagree, but you're not changing anyone's minds.
Once again you are twisting what I am saying. I do not claim she has not done wrong, and actually in the past I have rebuked her. I am just very happy to see that her position is maturing and I refrain from joining in cursing or wishing illness on any Jew as long as there is the hope of true repentance. I really don't understand why it is so hard for others to understand that without trying to say I am saying something else.
And I am not trying to change anyones opinion unless they are open minded enough to understand the reason I am being grateful for the good that I have found by recent google searching on the topic of 'Roseanne Barr Israel'.
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It wasn't meant as ad hominem attack. I meant it as friendly advice, don't buy into her b*s. I can bring you some pro-Israel quotes from BHO and Jimmy Carter too. Suddenly it would make them our friends? If she really changed she must admit past fault. Otherwise whatever she says is BS. Moreover a two state solution which as far as we know she still advocates is a suicide recipe and you know that too. A rational person cannot accept that act as a sincere turn around.
Zelhar... I come from a position where things are not 100% black and white. I have found that virtually everything in this world we live in is composed of shades of grey. Lies and slander often contain sparks of truth. Truth as we know it today is darkened by falsehood. So I do not judge people based solely on one statement or another, I look at the overall change in position and gauge whether it is in the positive or negative direction.
I injected my two-cents in this discussion as a way of exposing the positive things which she has been saying recently. Coming from a family which has had all kinds of tragedy and sickness, even though we have been righteous by most all accounts, I do not feel comfortable wishing illness on others. We know people who are suffering from macular degeneration and it is not something pleasant. I reserve unabashed hatred and condemnation on clear and present enemies of the Jewish people and personal enemies who threaten my life. I do have a great deal of hatred for those who support terrorism against America and Israel and those who hate Jews as a whole for any reason. But as I related many times... I have shifted my position over 30 years and I am still moving in the RIGHT direction (from the liberal left position I had for many of my young adult years). I seek to unite and to raise up the Jewish people by pointing out the good rather than solely condemning the bad.
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I can surely find things to rebuke her for... But rebuke should not be done publicly, it first should be done privately. If I could I would write her a message to see where she is holding I would.
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If Roseanne Barr knew about JTF and supported the organization financially.............even if anonymously like Joan Rivers did, now that would be indicative of a person who changed for the better.
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If Roseanne Barr knew about JTF and supported the organization financially.............even if anonymously like Joan Rivers did, now that would be indicative of a person who changed for the better.
Although probably not realistic I would be elated to learn of this.
Judging from her past posting though I do not think she is the most emotionally stable person (let alone Jew) out there.
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And no, it is not a question I made for myself, it is the question when judging another person. You cannot judge a person based only on past statements. If she has influenced others towards Jew hatred, that is a liable offense, but one between her and Hashem. I am willing to judge a person based on their current behavior. Similarly it can be found in Torah that when Hashem was asked why he allowed Ishmael to live it was because he was being judged for his current behavior, not his future behavior.
I'm glad you forgive the flip-floping Jew traitor Barrf.
This guy is also truly sorry for counting dead Jewish money. Can you find it in your heart to forgive him too?
http://news.yahoo.com/ex-nazi-bookkeeper-auschwitz-goes-trial-germany-082003432.html
I also found this for you:
http://www.talkingtoyourself.com/mentalillness.htm
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I'm glad you forgive the flip-floping Jew traitor Barrf.
This guy is also truly sorry for counting dead Jewish money. Can you find it in your heart to forgive him too?
http://news.yahoo.com/ex-nazi-bookkeeper-auschwitz-goes-trial-germany-082003432.html
I also found this for you:
http://www.talkingtoyourself.com/mentalillness.htm
:laugh: :::D
Yes, let's forgive the old Nazi fossil, Hashem commands us to!
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If Roseanne Barr knew about JTF and supported the organization financially.............even if anonymously like Joan Rivers did, now that would be indicative of a person who changed for the better.
What? Joan Rivers gave money to JTF?
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folks, I'm sure we can find a better jew to defend than this michael savage mental illness look alike.
Read carefully rather than mock me.
Hey, Hitler had Jewish officers, you should forgive him too.
Yeah cause that's really the same.
It's not about "defending"
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Read carefully rather than mock me.Yeah cause that's really the same.
It's not about "defending"
where did I mention YOU? where am I mocking YOU? where's your post? I can't find it. relax.
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Read carefully rather than mock me.Yeah cause that's really the same.
It's not about "defending"
Chaim mentioned along these lines that while Joan Rivers was alive, she didn't want anyone to know that she donated to JTF. But once she passed away, Chaim could make the news public. I believe he mentioned on an Ask JTF program that she donated $ 400 to JTF a number of years ago.
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Chaim mentioned along these lines that while Joan Rivers was alive, she didn't want anyone to know that she donated to JTF. But once she passed away, Chaim could make the news public. I believe he mentioned on an Ask JTF program that she donated $ 400 to JTF a number of years ago.
That's very interesting. $400? That's it? I was expecting like 10's of thousands. Anyway, still good that she did it.
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That's very interesting. $400? That's it? I was expecting like 10's of thousands. Anyway, still good that she did it.
I believe the $ 400 figure is what Chaim mentioned on the first or second program following Joan Rivers' passing. Assuming that's the case, while it would have been much better if Joan Rivers gave the type of money you mentioned, I'm glad that she at least helped the cause. My guess is she's a rare exception in terms of celebrities giving to a true right wing Pro Israel / Pro America right wing organization.
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I thought that animal was involved with the Rubins' "JDL". They made it a joke for Hollywood Jews. She looks like an ugly lesbian to me.