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Title: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on June 15, 2015, 01:43:31 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv8frE3QHVA
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Yerusha on June 28, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
At 9.30 Bar Chayim puts words in to Rashi's mouth.

And contrary to Bar Chayim at 15:15, nowhere does the Raavad write about a Temple coming from Heaven.

This is uncharacteristic sloppy learning by Bar Chayim.

We hope that the passing of his wife or a political agenda has not affected his scholarship.
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on June 28, 2015, 09:21:25 PM
Shut up Størm Frønt Nazi homo
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Yerusha on June 28, 2015, 09:44:26 PM
By disavowing the Zohar, Kabbalah and Toras Nistar, Bar Chayim, 55, for all his good points, will obviously, like many others, be deficient in Pnimyius HaTorah & the enlightement of the sechel that they impart.

The Vilna Gaon's Kol HaTor, another essential sefer that Bar Chayim has never studied, all about the Moshiach ben Yosef, the subject which R.Kahane clung to in his last years, states in Even Shleimah 2 that "The main part of the Geulah depends on the study of Kabbalah". Had he lived past 58, R.Kahane would undoubtedly studied and have mastered Kabbalah.
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on June 29, 2015, 02:44:33 PM
Like I said, go back to Størm Frønt
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: edu on July 02, 2015, 02:27:17 AM
I didn't listen to the whole video so maybe he addresses this issue later on.
But somewhere between 10 to 11 minutes into the video , Rabbi Bar Hayim attributes to Rashi and Raavad, the opinion that we can do nothing on behalf of the Temple , it will come down by miracle from heaven.
There is a different way to understand Raavad and Rashi.
Here's a Hebrew quote from the Minchat Chinuch to prove my point.
מנחת חינוך מצוה צה
וגם היום אפשר שאם יתנו המלכיות רשות לבנות בית המקדש מצוה לבנות כמבואר במדרש בימי ריב"ח דנתנו רשות והתחילו לבנות. ועיין בס' כפות תמרים שהרבינו נתנאל בעל התוספות רצה לילך להקריב קרבנות בירושלים אם כן ה"ה לבנות בית המקדש (אף שלדעת הר"מ אינו כן ויבואר במק"א) אבל הארון תיכף כיון דנגנזו העדות ולא יתראו עוד עבה"ג בב"א ולא עשו מעולם ארון אחר חוץ מה שעשה משה במדבר וכשיבא הגואל ב"ב יתגלו הלוחו' והארון א"כ אין צריך לכתוב הדינים של הארון. ומכל מקום צ"ע כי ידוע שתוה"ק לא תסמוך המצות והדינים על ניסים עיין במפרשי התורה ובראשם הרמב"ן אם כן ודאי מצוה זו לדורות כמו שחשב הר"מ מצוה זו להנשא על הכתף וגם לאו דהסרת הבדים אף דלא יהיה הדברים עבה"ג כי עתה אין ארון בעוה"ר וכותב מה שהיה בזמן המקדש ויהיה בזמן המשיח אם כן דיני הארון גם כן היה נוהג בימי בית ראשון כגון אם נשבר הארון (אף שהיה מעשי אלקים מכל מקום התורה לא תסמוך דינים על ניסים) וגם לע"ל אפשר אם ישבור הארון ודאי מצוה לעשות ארון בשביל העדות ובאמת אירע זה בימי עלי שנשבה הארון לשרי פלשתים והיה שם זיי"ן חדשים ע' בשמואל. ומבואר באגדה דשאול חטף הלוחות מיד גלית הפלשתי אם כן ודאי היה צריך אז לעשות ארון לצורך הלוחות ובימי המלך המשיח מהרה יגלה אפשר להיות איזה קלקול בארון אף שלא יהיה מכל מקום צריכין אנחנו לידע ויתר מזה הר"מ בהלכות כלי המקדש פ"א מביא היאך משרע"ה עשה שמן המשחה במדבר אף שמעולם לא נעשה שמן המשחה אחר חוץ משל מרע"ה ע"ש ובר"מ וכולו יהיה קיים לע"ל כמבואר בש"ס שנאמר שמן כו' ומכל מקום כתב תואר עשייתם מכל שכן כאן שלא מצינו הבטחה דארון יהיה קיים תמיד ויהיו מונחים הלוחות בארון זה והראי' בימי עלי כמ"ש אם כן צריכים אנחנו לידע ג"כ הצורה של הארון כמו כל הכלים ומה מעכב ומה אינו מעכב
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Yerusha on July 05, 2015, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: edu on July 02, 2015, 02:27:17 AM

But somewhere between 10 to 11 minutes into the video , Rabbi Bar Hayim attributes to Rashi and Raavad, the opinion that we can do nothing on behalf of the Temple , it will come down by miracle from heaven.

Bar Hayim is incorrect in that nowhere does the Raavad refer to the Temple coming from Heaven and incorrectly states that the Haredim are somehow locked in to a 'deadend' Raavad opinion. Recent errors and retractions by Bar Hayim in other subjects have given us cause to derate our opinion of his learning. He is an Sydney Baal Teshuva who has a growly voice and presents well, but his scholarship in what he terms "Halachik Judaism" is actually quite flimsy, as befits our lowly generation!
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on July 05, 2015, 10:11:34 AM
Everything you said was and is a lie. Your just taking things out of you ass. +His father is a Rabbi.
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 05, 2015, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: Yerusha on July 05, 2015, 09:56:59 AM
Bar Hayim is incorrect in that nowhere does the Raavad refer to the Temple coming from Heaven and incorrectly states that the Haredim are somehow locked in to a 'deadend' Raavad opinion. Recent errors and retractions by Bar Hayim in other subjects have given us cause to derate our opinion of his learning. He is an Sydney Baal Teshuva who has a growly voice and presents well, but his scholarship in what he terms "Halachik Judaism" is actually quite flimsy, as befits our lowly generation!

But you're a faggot.

You should also quit using the terms "we" and "us" because everyone here knows you are the only one hurling this invective and motzi shem ra about a chacham from your mother's basement.   None of us subscribe to your crazy fantasies.
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Yerusha on July 23, 2015, 03:51:25 PM
At 40:30 this rabbi states about R.Bar Chayim's opinion:

"There's a certain rabbi (R.Bar Chayim) explaining that the Raavad shita says that the temple will come from Shamayim. That's a false statement and there's an agenda behind it!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEGrgWspUyM
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on July 23, 2015, 08:47:19 PM
 :laugh:  :laugh.  I saw him before. Crazy. Anyway he did have "beef" b4 with RBH. He's the one who have an axe to grinde. He also needs to back up Hus statements with sources.
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Yerusha on July 23, 2015, 09:15:21 PM
Although RBH is good at advocating a return to the pre-Exilic Halachic Kulos and at making valid criticisms of the Haredim and government, in the areas of holding kop in Gemoro, Chiddushim, Maarei Mekomos, Nistar and Pilpul, I suspect this RDK fellow, who is also a shtikel Kahanist, is well beyond him.
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 24, 2015, 08:53:27 AM
Quote from: Yerusha on July 23, 2015, 03:51:25 PM
At 40:30 this rabbi states about R.Bar Chayim's opinion:

"There's a certain rabbi (R.Bar Chayim) explaining that the Raavad shita says that the temple will come from Shamayim. That's a false statement and there's an agenda behind it!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEGrgWspUyM

Show it inside.  Prove it from the source.  In RBH's shiurim, he examines the sources inside and explains what they say.  Ever bother to attend his shiur?   The only way to learn is to see the sources inside.   A pronouncement of "Raavad's position is not what that rabbi said!" does not qualify as "Holding kop" (to use your words).
Title: Re: Har HaBayith, Miqdash, Rambam vs. Ra'vad: Paralysis or Challenge
Post by: Yerusha on July 27, 2015, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 24, 2015, 08:53:27 AM
Show it inside.  Prove it from the source. 

(http://i57.tinypic.com/vnlc0n.jpg)

As can be seen, RBH has created a spurious dichotomy between the Raavad and the Rambam.