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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: edu on August 04, 2015, 04:49:21 AM
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I am posting a topic I already raised under a different name.
The Hebrew Media is reporting that Rabbi Kahane's grandson Meir Ettinger is being threatened with Administrative Detention.
During the Oslo "Peace Process" the Left started a massive witch hunt and administrative detention against suspected right-wingers.
One of the most effective methods in stopping this was to complain about all their abuses and trampling of Free Speech to American-Jewish Media.
Since the regime feels it needs the support and needs to look good in the eyes of American Jews to help them with Congress etc. that put counter-pressure on the Israeli Leftist regime to stop Administrative Detention against good Jews.
It is a tactic that might work this time also, since Bibi wants American Jews to lobby on his behalf on the Iran issue.
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Most likely Itamar Ben Gvir,ESQ. will have him sprung by the evening.
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One way to stop it is not to engage in lethal terror attacks.
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How to stop Administrative Detention against good Jews?..It will not stop untill Jews decide to crush the Supreme Court of Israel..by any means necessary...Also I would not shed any tears if Netanyahu got the same treatment as Rabin...He is killing Jews..what is wrong with you people!!...Because he is a Jew I should not say that...sorry I am not into Mussar..when I see a kappo...He is not for the Jewish people has done tremendous harm.
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Looks like I was wrong so far Ben-Gvir has done nothing & said nothing!!!
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That guy Etinger is brash and stupid and maybe it's even good for him to be put under administrative arrest if it keeps him from ruining the lives of other stupid young guys who might be influenced by his "genius" ideas.
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That guy Etinger is brash and stupid and maybe it's even good for him to be put under administrative arrest if it keeps him from ruining the lives of other stupid young guys who might be influenced by his "genius" ideas.
You always take in the Leftist propaganda don't you?
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He is a bad influence. You can read his blog, his own words, if you can read Hebrew:
http://www.hakolhayehudi.co.il/blog.php?id=20
Of course freedom of speech should give him the right to say anything he wants. I am not denying this principle. But he is walking a very thin line here. It is better that he stays a while in confinement so we may avoid some really bad consequences. In hindsight, Yishai Schlissel should had been restricted from his liberty to walk freely in the steets of Jerusalem during the gay charade.
You always take in the Leftist propaganda don't you?
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He is a bad influence. You can read his blog, his own words, if you can read Hebrew:
http://www.hakolhayehudi.co.il/blog.php?id=20
Of course freedom of speech should give him the right to say anything he wants. I am not denying this principle. But he is walking a very thin line here. It is better that he stays a while in confinement so we may avoid some really bad consequences. In hindsight, Yishai Schlissel should had been restricted from his liberty to walk freely in the steets of Jerusalem during the gay charade.
Why not lock everyone up then? After all anyone can be a threat any time.
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One way to stop it is not to engage in lethal terror attacks.
There is no evidence he was ever involved in any such thing.
There is increasing suspicion that not one Jew was even involved in the duma arson. It is being used as a PRETEXT to persecute the ideological enemies of the state. Even if it was true that some Jew set the fire in Duma, why would that give a blank check to perseute an entire sector and violate their rights? How could you justify this stalinism?
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He is a bad influence. You can read his blog, his own words, if you can read Hebrew:
http://www.hakolhayehudi.co.il/blog.php?id=20
Of course freedom of speech should give him the right to say anything he wants. I am not denying this principle. But he is walking a very thin line here. It is better that he stays a while in confinement so we may avoid some really bad consequences. In hindsight, Yishai Schlissel should had been restricted from his liberty to walk freely in the steets of Jerusalem during the gay charade.
I dont like his attitude so put him in jail to prevent him from influencing people? How Israeli of you.
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Zelhar, if you are granting the government the power to use Administrative Detention against people You don't like, in theory you are granting the government the power to use Administrative Detention against people you do like.
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/199037#.VcGquPmqpBc
The crackdown against Jewish activists continues, as the Israel Security Agency (ISA or Shabak) on Tuesday arrested Avitar Slonim ahead of what could be a controversial administrative arrest from his workplace at a moshav adjacent to Beit Shemesh.
Slonim was brought in for investigation at the ISA facility Kishon, in an arrest that comes a day after Jewish activist Meir Ettinger - the grandson of Rabbi Meir Kahane - was arrested on vague suspicions of "Jewish extremist activity" and likewise brought in to Kishon.
Slonim has been living at the moshav by Beit Shemesh after being distanced from Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem by an administrative order. Like Ettinger, he was arrested on suspicions of being involved in "violent radical Jewish" activities.
Ettinger's arrest was extended by the Nazareth Magistrates' Court on Tuesday afternoon until next Sunday, after the ISA originally asked for a week-long extension. Ettinger's lawyer plans to submit a petition against the extension on Wednesday.
His arrest may be turned into an administrative detention, a relic from the British mandate used against Arab terrorists until now, under which he would face six months of endlessly renewable detention without any evidence required.
Violent investigations
Attorney Yuval Zamar of the Honenu legal aid organization, who is representing Ettinger, said Tuesday that the young activist is being subjected to violent abuse in interrogations.
Describing the shaking and other forms of violence being used against his client, Zamar said, "the harsh treatment Mr. Ettinger is receiving from the Shabak investigators and the use of violent interrogation against him, which is against the law, is very serious in my eyes, and a complaint has been transferred to the attorney general and the state attorney."
"The court discussion today only strengthens the feeling that this is an empty arrest meant only for police public relations, at the expense of Mr. Ettinger," said Zamar. "Due to the media gag order I unfortunately can't address the suspicions themselves, but it appears that this is basically a repeat on materials known to investigators for a long period."
The ISA denied the claims of violent interrogation.
The ISA has been sued at the Supreme Court in the past for violent interrogations, such as shaking the suspect, holding them in uncomfortable positions for extended periods of time, and preventing them from sleeping. The Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the ISA cannot use violent force in interrogation.
Former MK Dr. Michael Ben-Ari, head of the Otzma Yehudit party, said the government lost its sanity as shown in its pursuit of Ettinger, who he said has been under constant surveillance undermining claims that he established some sort of "underground organization."
Ben-Ari added that Ettinger, who has openly called for Israel to embrace Jewish Torah law, has the right to freedom of speech if Israel is indeed a democratic country.
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Since Ettinger has been staying Zefat (exiled from J&S) he cannot be physically linked to anything.
That pretext is exactly what I am alarming about. No matter how false it is, in the real world, it is a very strong pretext to expel Jews and destroy Jewish settlements. It is a strong pretext to persecute completely innocent Jews and de-legitimize settlements and call for a complete retreat.
Mr. Ettinger by his own words is not concerned at all on the contrary He thing that it is good to create this sort of extreme polarization. So I am less concerned about his rights. I am more concerned about what he is up to because that can do a huge damage. Legally speaking, there is probably enough to detain him for questioning because he wrote about rebellion and not abiding to the law. Then if he is further detained under administrative arrest, sure it's a violation of his human rights.
Zelhar, if you are granting the government the power to use Administrative Detention against people You don't like, in theory you are granting the government the power to use Administrative Detention against people you do like.
I am guessing you won't sound the alarm if and when an Arab or some Jewish anarchist are put under it am I correct? I don't have a completely determined opinion about this issue because this method can be misused for political persecution but can also be utilized to save lives.
There is no evidence he was ever involved in any such thing.
There is increasing suspicion that not one Jew was even involved in the duma arson. It is being used as a PRETEXT to persecute the ideological enemies of the state. Even if it was true that some Jew set the fire in Duma, why would that give a blank check to perseute an entire sector and violate their rights? How could you justify this stalinism?
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Informing western media too not just Jewish media in america and europe make noise about it.
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Gd bless Meir ettinger (and all of the offspring from rabbi kahane). He deserves our full support.
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Media campaign In Australia Europe America to point out at the emergence of tyranny in a western country many decades after ww2.
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Informing western media too not just Jewish media in america and europe make noise about it.
Don't think its a good idea. 1) Why complain to the nations? 2) The regime would think its a good thing for them. After all they are fighting "Jewish terrorism"
- The best thing to do is to say to and in front of all "pro Israel" forums, rallies and groups about this injustice. Not to support these evil policies.
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/199209#.VccYvfmqpBc
Six-month long administrative detention orders were issued Sunday morning against two right-wing Jewish activists - Meir Ettinger and Evyatar Slonim.
The orders were signed by Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon on the recommendation of the Israel Security Agency (ISA or Shin Bet).
Slonim was arrested last Tuesday, a day after Ettinger - the grandson of Rabbi Meir Kahane - was also detained, both on suspicion of "Jewish extremist activity."
According to legal aid organization Honenu, the administrative detention orders were issued minutes before the start of a remand extension hearing at the Nazareth Magistrate's Court.
Police apparently demanded administrative detention, for fear the court would order the release of both Slonim and Ettinger for lack of solid evidence.
Under administrative detention, a relic from the British mandate period used almost exclusively against Palestinian terrorists until now, the two activists face six months of endlessly renewable detention without any evidence required.
Following the issuance of the orders, the court hearing was rendered moot and the pair were taken into custody without discussion.
The nationalist activists follow behind Mordechai Meir, a young Jewish resident of Ma'ale Adumim, who was arrested Tuesday night and immediately placed under administrative detention.
Honenu attorney Aharon Roza denounced the orders, stressing his protest against "the announcement that Ettinger and Slonim are to be arrested by administrative order rather than go to court for the remand hearing which was supposed to be held today."
Pressure needs to be put on Bibi by American Jews to save Rabbi Kahane's grandson.
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He own American citizen he should contact representative here and ask to israeli thugs detaining him explanation why they detain a foreigner in a democracy.
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A reminder of what Israeli leftists are capable of when Democratic Rights are trampled on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews
Many Yemenite Jews became irreligious through the re-education programme of the Jewish Agency.[100][101]
Missing Yemenite children[edit]
There was a story that, between 1949 and 1951, up to 1,033 children of Yemenite immigrant families may have disappeared from the immigrant camps. It was said that the parents were told that their children were ill and required hospitalization. Upon later visiting the hospital, it is claimed that the parents were told that their children had died though no bodies were presented and graves which have later proven to be empty in many cases were shown to the parents. Those who believed the theory contended that the Israeli government as well as other organizations in Israel kidnapped the children and gave them for adoption to other, non-Yemenite, families.[102]
In 2001 a seven-year public inquiry commission concluded that the accusations that Yemenite children were kidnapped by the government are not true. The commission unequivocally rejected claims of a plot to take children away from Yemenite immigrants. The report determined that documentation exists for 972 of the 1,033 missing children. Five additional missing babies were found to be alive. The commission was unable to discover what happened in another 56 cases. With regard to these unresolved 56 cases, the commission deemed it "possible" that the children were handed over for adoption following decisions made by individual local social workers, but not as part of an official policy.[102]
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I am concerned that it's the opening of the third "hunting season" against Jewish patriots.
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I don't know exactly what comment to make about this news story but since it is relevant to the topic I will quote it.
(Left wing) Btsellem comes out against Administrative Detention both for right wing Israeli prisoners and obviously from their point of view, the Arabs.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/BTselem-slams-approval-of-administrative-detention-for-Israelis-as-worst-tool-in-the-toolbox-411600
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Even Zahava Galon came out against adminstrative detention!!!
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Because she is categorically against it even when it is used against Arab terrorists from Judea and Samaria that are not citizens of Israel and are otherwise sheltered by the Palestinian Authority and armed terrorist militias. That is by the way the overwhelming majority of administrative arrest cases.
Even Zahava Galon came out against adminstrative detention!!!
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"Do Israeli leaders, legislators and Rabbis believe that Jewish blood is cheaper than Arab blood? Is the spilling of Arab blood a greater crime than the ongoing spilling of Jewish blood? Is one act of “terror” against Arabs to be viewed more harshly than thousands of combined terror attacks against Jews? Any objective bystander in Israel can hardly miss the clear preference given to the spilled blood of Arabs when it comes to the massive sweeping condemnation by Israeli leaders of such rare attacks against Arabs, in sharp contrast to the indifference shown by elected Israeli officials when it comes to the ongoing, massive attacks and massacres carried out by Arabs against Jews.
This self-hating national breast-beating- ritual performed by elected officials, rabbis and media across the board in Israel is particularly amusing when it comes to the recent torching of an Arab house which lead to the death of an Arab child. Before the flames were even extinguished, Israel’s President Rivlin and a convoy of Jewish apologists were already begging forgiveness and attacking the “Jewish perpetrators” of the arson - in the harshest of hysterical epithets. As a side note, it has yet to be proven that the fire was an act of deliberate arson or that the arsonists were of the Mosaic persuasion. The fact that Arab calligraphic style Hebrew words of vengeance were carefully drawn on the home is hardly proof that the perpetrators were Jews. In fact, if anything can be concluded by the shape and style of the letters and words painted on the wall deep in the Arab village, it would be that it is unlikely the artistic work of Jews who would have penetrated so deep into the village and spent so much time painting as the flames raged through the house.
The fact that none of the village cameras and that no witness identified Jews roaming their village should only further cast some level of doubt over the logical integrity behind the crusade being launched against Jews for the arson. There are enough examples of Arabs having carried out attacks against rival Hamulot tribes where they cunningly left Hebrew messages of “vengeance” and “price tag” to instigate arrests against Jews and to incite violence against Jews. Let us not forget that the Hebron Massacre that occurred this time of year back in 1929 and which led to the murder of dozens of Jews was instigated by false blood libels against Jews by Arabs who claimed Jews had raped and murdered Arabs.
We Jews are all too familiar with blood libels against us that were construed to trigger, inspire and motivate Jew-haters to initiate, target and intensify their rabid terror/pogroms/massacres against Jews. It is one thing, though, when Arab haters jump on the bandwagon to demonize all Jews, and yet another when the President and Prime Minister of Israel do so. It is a further outrage, when thousands of attacks against Jews are virtually ignored by Jewish leaders, yet when one possible retaliatory attack that might likely have been carried out by Jews against Arabs brings unbalanced and excessive condemnation of Jews and opens the door to harsh collective punishment against “settlers” and hilltop Jewish youth with new draconian powers given to the Shin Bet to harass and intimidate Jews accused of being anti-Arab activists.
Here is a small aid to measure the unbalanced and distorted response of Jewish politicians in Israel to the recent incident in the Arab village of D/Tuma in contrast to their deafening response of silence after recent cases in which Arabs murdered Jews.
The attached chart shows how the Primie Minister, President and other politicians repeatedly condemned the possible Jewish attack against Arabs on their facebook pages while they blatantly ignored recent attacks against Jews before and after the Arab house arson.
Placing the possible Jewish-hand in the D/Tuma arson into perspective and proportion: Find here a list of names of Israeli and Jewish children murdered by known Arab assailants in comparison to the handful of incidents carried out by Jews against Arab children.
How Many Children Have Been Murdered and by whom?
http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/muqata/how-many-children-have-these-terrorists-murdered/2015/08/02/
Arab children killed by Jews – 1 maybe 2
Muhammad Abu-Khdeir, age 16
Ali Saad Dawabsha, age 1 (Undetermined. Possibly by Jews. )
Israeli children (Jews and Arabs) killed by Arab terrorists – 177 Read post for complete list of names and ages of Jewish children killed by Arab terrorists.
How many arson attacks have been launched against Jews this year? Hundreds, if not thousands. Not a day passes without dozens of incidents of boulders, fire bombs and arson against Jews. How many against Arabs? Approximately ten this year, assuming unproven allegations against Jews are all true."
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Looks like I was wrong so far Ben-Gvir has done nothing & said nothing!!!
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People in Israel and Judeasamaria do nothing to help them!!!
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People in Israel and Judeasamaria do nothing to help them!!!
Ben Gvir claims that he is the uber Kahanist so why has he done nothing?
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Ben Gvir claims that he is the uber Kahanist so why has he done nothing?
People in Judea like to say they are Kahanist it should be annexed to Israel but when they see menace coming to their neighbors then.... nobody.
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People in Judea like to say they are Kahanist it should be annexed to Israel but when they see menace coming to their neighbors then.... nobody.
Ben Gvir was a member of Kach when it existed before it was banned & was with Rabbi Kahane.
Obviously you are not familiar with scene or people here in Israel.
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Ben Gvir was a member of Kach when it existed before it was banned & was with Rabbi Kahane.
Obviously you are not familiar with scene or people here in Israel.
ok my fault but yep i'm not familiar with scene here but it wasn't aimed at him specifically it was a general phrase actually.
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ok my fault but yep i'm not familiar with scene here but it wasn't aimed at him specifically it was a general phrase actually.
Oh I don't care attack him all you'd like, the man is a sellout who refused to help me when I was having alyiah problems and he also lied about Chaim being able to enter Israel along with his sidekick Marzel & did absolutely nothing to help Chaim either.
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The Bolsheviks are getting worse
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/200001#.Vd8vT_mqpBc
'Police State': Police Raid Rabbinical, Nationalist Gathering
In a highly unusual step, police raided a high-level meeting critical of administrative detention, arrested four.
14 administrative arrests of Jews
Around 2.5 weeks ago, three highly controversial administrative arrests were made against Jewish youths, and three limitation orders were issued against minors, which included full house arrest against one of them and nighttime house arrest against the other two, aside from distancing them from Judea and Samaria.
With the addition of the flurry of administrative orders this week, a full 14 administrative orders have been issued in the last 18 days, including three administrative arrests. Several of the orders are being petitioned by lawyers from Honenu.
"The system is under unprecedented pressure and is acting with unacceptable means against residents who are settling the land," said Honenu in a statement.
"We are witnesses to a dramatic increase in the severity and scope of the issuing of administrative orders, something which severely harms the rights of those receiving the orders."
Administrative orders, a relic from the British mandate, do not require a trial or any evidence, and can be renewed every six months. The orders have almost exclusively been used against Arab terrorists until now.
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http://www.hakolhayehudi.com/whos-torching-dawabsha-family-homes-in-duma/
Who’s torching Dawabsha family homes in Duma? 1
BY ELIEZER SHEKHTMAN ON AUGUST 26, 2015 CURRENT AFFAIRS, SECURITY
Everyone is well aware of the Dawabsha family home that was burned just over a month ago, but few are aware that just this week, another Dawabsha family home was set on fire. On Monday morning (August 24th) around 5 AM another Dawabsha family home caught fire. This was the home of the brother of the father of the Dawabsha family who died.
Thus far no Israeli MKs or officials have condemned this fire or visited the victims.
Israeli news site NRG reported that the initial suspicion is that this second home was set on fire over an internal dispute within the village or possibly the result of an electrical malfunction (which also may have been intentional). NRG reported that the owner of the home has been involved in criminal activity so an internal dispute is quite likely. 0404 reported that there have been several other fires involving the Dawabsha family, including a car of their’s that was set on fire on June 19, and another family home torched on February 26, 2015.
The head of the village attempted to blame Israeli intelligence for the most recent fire and said, “The Israeli intelligence wanted to burn another home in the center of our village in order to prove that the settlers did not burn the first home or this home. They want to cover up the settlers’ crimes.”
The latest fire raises questions over whether Jews were responsible at all for the fire at the Dawabsha family home just over a month ago and has also led to new outrage at the quickness with which the security establishment enacted draconian measures against Jewish activists, including administrative detentions.
Apparently in order to silence these criticisms, the security establishment has requested from media outlets, including NRG and Hakol Hayehudi, not to report on this story. Hakol Hayehudi was called by the IDF spokesman who requested that we not publish this story and a writer at NRG wrote, “Security officials requested that our writers not write about this incident in order not to harm the investigation of the previous fire and in order not to raise questions about who was behind it.”
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http://www.hakolhayehudi.com/administrative-expellees-show-how-to-hold-a-meeting-without-communicating/
(http://www.hakolhayehudi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/%D7%AA%D7%A8%D7%92%D7%99%D7%9C_%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%98%D7%991.jpg)
Administrative expellees show how to hold a meeting without communicating 0
BY ELIEZER SHEKHTMAN ON AUGUST 29, 2015 CURRENT AFFAIRS, POLITICS
Large numbers of police officers, led by the commander of the Ramle station along with members of the Jewish division of the Shabak raided a meeting discussing administrative orders in Nof Ayalon on Thursday August 27th.
The officers arrested five of the participants, all of whom have recently received administrative orders, and accused them of violating the order not to contact several of their friends who were also present at the meeting.
Photos from the meeting paint a different picture and show that the expellees went to extreme efforts to avoid violating the order. The photos show dividers put up between participants who were banned by administrative order from communicating with one another.
Despite these efforts, the police arrested five of them, one of whom is married with a child. In the end the police released them at 2:30 AM.
The meeting itself was attended by many Rabbis and public figures including Prof. Hillel Weiss, Rav Yoel Schwartz who helped established Nahal Haredi, former MK Michael Ben-Ari, Bentzi Gopshten, Baruch Marzel, lawyer Itzchak Bam, lawyer Itamar Ben Gvir, Meir Bretler, and representatives from ‘Honenu.’ After the raid, the rabbi of Nof Ayalon, Rav Gideon Binyamin arrived to support the expellees.
Honenu said in response to the police actions, “What is going on is reminiscent of oppressive regimes. The police and Shabak are allocating large resources in order to harass young activists who care about the Jewish people and the land of Israel. In the end there was no justification for their arrest as they took great efforts to avoid violating the order by putting up dividers. We advise the head of the Ramle police station to find better use for his forces and deal with the crime in his community rather than harass Jewish activists.”
Lawyer Itamar Ben Gvir said, “When I arrived at the meeting, I saw a large number of forces that looked like they were preparing for an attack in Lebanon. Sadly, the government today uses these forces to harass Jewish activists instead. In any case, the tactic used by the expellees will likely be taught in law schools in the future. There was no violation of the order and its a shame the police are wasting energy on this.”
Lawyer Adi Keidar, who represented several of those arrested said, “The Israeli police continue to invest time in harassing Jewish activists instead of fighting crime. We hope that the appointment of the new head of the police will bring with it a new approach in this realm as well.
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big demonstration in telaviv against nuclear deal and freedom in Israel the israeli media would be forced to cover the event! 400000 Jews from Judea in center of telaviv would do the trick!