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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mord on September 04, 2007, 05:33:42 PM
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A deluded twit who thinks 'Jooos control everything'.
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Chaim said he looks and speaks like Mr. Magoo.
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He looks like the type of person that I would want to pummel mercilessly.
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I know Chaim and you guys say he's a Nazi. But what has he ever done or said to suggest this?
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How about saying that he would refuse to strike Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons even if it constitutes a grave and existential threat to Israel?
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How about saying that he would refuse to strike Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons even if it constitutes a grave and existential threat to Israel?
He would probably say the same if Iran presented a threat to his own mother. That's how libertarians think.
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LIE bertarians they lie
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Chaim said he looks and speaks like Mr. Magoo.
At least Mr. Magoo isn't a Nazi.
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How about saying that he would refuse to strike Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons even if it constitutes a grave and existential threat to Israel?
I can understand how this type of passive-aggressive (or just plain passive) stance can be construed as antisemetic. But did Ron Paul ever say anything specifically derogatory of Jews, Zionism, or Israel? Did he ever say anything about Jews owning the banks and the media or that Zionism is racism? Anything like that? Not trying to play devil's advocate, just searching for the evidence and the sources.
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How about saying that he would refuse to strike Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons even if it constitutes a grave and existential threat to Israel?
I can understand how this type of passive-aggressive (or just plain passive) stance can be construed as antisemetic. But did Ron Paul ever say anything specifically derogatory of Jews, Zionism, or Israel? Did he ever say anything about Jews owning the banks and the media or that Zionism is racism? Anything like that? Not trying to play devil's advocate, just searching for the evidence and the sources.
I'm not sure about that, but Nazis and anti-Semites love Ron Paul. That's gotta count for something.
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He looks like the type of person that I would want to pummel mercilessly.
lol
He would be a disaster for Israel, though I don't know if "nazi" is entirely appropriate.
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How about saying that he would refuse to strike Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons even if it constitutes a grave and existential threat to Israel?
I can understand how this type of passive-aggressive (or just plain passive) stance can be construed as antisemetic. But did Ron Paul ever say anything specifically derogatory of Jews, Zionism, or Israel? Did he ever say anything about Jews owning the banks and the media or that Zionism is racism? Anything like that? Not trying to play devil's advocate, just searching for the evidence and the sources.
I'm not sure about that, but Nazis and anti-Semites love Ron Paul. That's gotta count for something.
Why do Nazis and anti-Semites love him?
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I think he's a Nazi who likes little children a little too much...
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Well, I think Nazis and anti-Semites tend to lean towards libertarians because they see the government as an oppressive Zionist-controlled institution that takes their freedom away from them by not allowing them to do Nazi things. They like lower taxes and don't want to spend their money on social programs that mostly helps minorities. They are non-interventionists because they are unaware of world politics and the danger of Islam because they spend all their time worrying about how the Jews are controlling them and how they want to take over the U.S. and destroy them. Nazis are the type of people who want to be left alone, and a libertarian government would probably be the ideal form of government to facilitate that. They also hate Israel and want to see a policy of the government of neutrality with Israel.
In truth I really don't know I'm just throwing these ideas out there. It would be an interesting question to ask a Nazi if you come across one.
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Who said he looks like a 'Great Man'?
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Its probably more, for them, about the Israel issue than anything else.
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ron paul stated that it was israels fault for the bombing of the marines. and he supported hezbollah in last summers war
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shimon: "...ron paul stated that it was israels fault for the bombing of the marines. and he supported hezbollah in last summers war..."
If you could please put links to his direct quotes stating this I would greatly appreciate it.
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Ze'ev: "...[regarding Ron Paul] How about saying that he would refuse to strike Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons even if it constitutes a grave and existential threat to Israel?..."
I must ask everyone on the forum this question, and I hope you all think deeply about your own answers to it ...
With all of the billions in dollars in aid provided to Israel by the United States, not the least of which being the finest state-of-the-art military war machines, and with Israel's military reputation, and with Rabbi Meir Kahane's admonition (which, by the way, is the same as the original Zionist pioneers' admonition that JEWS ONLY would defend Eretz Yisrael; NEVER relying on or asking others to defend Israel or fight for Jews anywhere in the world....
Then why in the world are there now Jews who think it proper and good that the U.S.A., or UK, or the UN peace-keeping forces should be expected to do what Israel herself should have done long ago, completely alone, and without asking permission from any other leaders or nations?
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The only good thing about Ron Paul is that he says the the US should not bother with the Arabs..foriegn aid, military bases, etc. He is more of an isolationist. That can be bad if he doesn't realize a potential threat from one of those creatures. But I think not bothering with the Arabs is a good idea for the U.S.
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Some dumb people can't see that Islam is the reason those countries act the way they do, and believe they are "resisting Israeli Oppression" instead. First of all, such oppression doesn't exist, because Palis are NOT a legitimate people.
Did the Beslan massacre by Chechens, the attacks on Indians by Muslims, the riots in France, 9/11, the support of terrorist regimes all happen because of Israel? Give me a break. Muslims are violent, because there is something wrong with them, not for environmental reasons. It is weakness, not strength, which encourages terrorism. Muslims are the way they are because of their religion, not the political environment.
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Ze'ev: "...[regarding Ron Paul] How about saying that he would refuse to strike Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons even if it constitutes a grave and existential threat to Israel?..."
I must ask everyone on the forum this question, and I hope you all think deeply about your own answers to it ...
With all of the billions in dollars in aid provided to Israel by the United States, not the least of which being the finest state-of-the-art military war machines, and with Israel's military reputation, and with Rabbi Meir Kahane's admonition (which, by the way, is the same as the original Zionist pioneers' admonition that JEWS ONLY would defend Eretz Yisrael; NEVER relying on or asking others to defend Israel or fight for Jews anywhere in the world....
Then why in the world are there now Jews who think it proper and good that the U.S.A., or UK, or the UN peace-keeping forces should be expected to do what Israel herself should have done long ago, completely alone, and without asking permission from any other leaders or nations?
Well Massuh, I don't believe that Iran presents a threat just to Israel. A nuclear armed Iran is a threat to the entire world including the United States. Knocking out the Iranian nuclear reactor isn't just defending Israel, it's defending the whole world. Since no one else is willing to take on this world threat, I believe the U.S. should. The U.S. has a greater infrastructural ability to wipe out the entire Iranian military, so I would trust the U.S. more than Israel to get the job done. I do think that taking out Iran's entire military would be a good idea and I think the U.S. is best equipped to handle it. If Israel and the U.S. want to team up on the objective together, I would support that. I just think that Israel going it alone is dangerous militarily and politically.
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A nuclear armed Iran is a threat to the entire world including the United States.
Agreed. There are no divergent interests between American and Israel on this issue.
I just think that Israel going it alone is dangerous militarily and politically.
Yes, because it will fuel antisemitic conspiracy theories.
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Ron Paul is crazy and has a delusional obsession with "neocons." He thinks any discussion of the threats posed by the Iranian regime are just "neocon" conspiracies.
He claims, "They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party."
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Ze'ev's conclusion: "...I just think that Israel going it alone is dangerous militarily and politically..."
Extremely dangerous.
However, it was finding the courage and prayer to face up to the military and political dangers and do what had to be done, which enabled the State of Israel to come into being as well as survive to the present day.
Add to those dangers the willingness to follow Rabbi Meir Kahane simply because he knew and spoke truth, and for all of us to follow Chaim Ben Pesach and work to carry out the JTF program for taking back both Israel as well as America...
It appears to me that we have no other choice other than to be courageous and do what is right.
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RationalThought: "...He [Ron Paul]claims, "They [the Neo-cons unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party."
What in this [Paul's] analysis is not true?
It is the refusal to lend unconditional support for the Bolshevik suicidal regime now ruling Israel, together with having a close alliance with Kahanists and other Torah-true Jews who are prevented in taking part in Israel's electoral process, which is America's problem in the Middle East.
It seems to me that ending America's control over Israel's policies via "financial and military assistance", as well as America's drastic reduction in any and all "involvement" 6000 miles from our shores (thus ending the genocidal "Peace Process") would be just the ticket to enhance Jewish security and sovereignty over our own Holy Land.
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-Eagle Eye: "...Agreed. There are no divergent interests between American and Israel on this issue..."
No?
Iran and the other maniacal murderous Muslim Nazi regimes are in Israel's back yard and some of them share borders with her...It is Israel's responsiblity to fight for her own survival...not America's or any other country's job!
-Eagle Eye: "...Yes, because it [...Israel going it alone is dangerous militarily and politically...] will fuel antisemitic conspiracy theories..."
First of all, Who cares?
Secondly, in a world with more Jew-hating and Jew-haters than has ever been seen since the inception of The Third Reich, it is not possible to fuel, give birth to, or refute conspiracies blaming the Jews for any and all evils!
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I can't believe people still doubt how evil this pedophile is. He has said that Syria and Iran are our friends and accused Israel of genocide against Arabs. He says he is against all foreign aid and all Middle East involvement but this is a HUGE piece of taqqiyah. He really wants us to form alliances with Syria, Lebanon, Egypt., etc. against Israel. He would actually send our soldiers to the Middle East to fight tiny Israel. :o
This beast is a white supremacist Nazi along the lines of David Duke. Chaim has even said he is a German Nazi (he is a German American). He is one of those who only believes Germans are truly white.
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I certainly do think Israel should fight Iran. But Iran threatens the entire non-Muslim world, including everything from Japan to Europe to America.
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The problem is that those nations are more eager to sacrify the Israel to the beast than fight it; Israel is becoming the burdening stone for nations; I woud not advice the Jewish people to rely on any outside goverment even USA; besides ortodox jews shoud rely more on Allmighty G-d than on men; even rightues ones.
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True
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I agree with that too. In the case that Israel has to go alone, I think they should. Ideally, they won't have to.
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Some dumb people can't see that Islam is the reason those countries act the way they do, and believe they are "resisting Israeli Oppression" instead. First of all, such oppression doesn't exist, because Palis are NOT a legitimate people.
Did the Beslan massacre by Chechens, the attacks on Indians by Muslims, the riots in France, 9/11, the support of terrorist regimes all happen because of Israel? Give me a break. Muslims are violent, because there is something wrong with them, not for environmental reasons. It is weakness, not strength, which encourages terrorism. Muslims are the way they are because of their religion, not the political environment.
I fully agree with you. But there are so many people who believe that Israel is the main reason behind all this, especially 9/11.
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The problem is that those nations are more eager to sacrify the Israel to the beast than fight it; Israel is becoming the burdening stone for nations; I woud not advice the Jewish people to rely on any outside goverment even USA; besides ortodox jews shoud rely more on Allmighty G-d than on men; even rightues ones.
You're spot on, UR.
That is a fundamental teaching of Torah.
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The anti-American people, often who have neo-nazi sympathies, who suggest that Israel is the only cause of Islamic resentment are insinuating that we should stop supporting it for that alleged reason. Why? Israel is morally justified, Islam is not. We could militarily destroy the entire Islamic world if we ever want to. These neo-nazis suggest we let Muslims call the shots. They want Bin Laden to determine our foreign policy.
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Whats wrong with Ron Paul? I saw his campaign and intentions for this country he seems like the sharpest tool in the shed. Hes got my vote, I dont know about the rest of you but would you Ron Paul critics rather vote for barack obama? that islamist dune coon that anti semitic biggot thats said him self he wasnt mentally prepared for the position of president or that communist whore hillary that'll probably harm the jews just as much as obama would love to? All Im saying for the sake of us jews he's our best bet. Im guessing with his popularity he's a top running candidate (in 3rd place) I dont know if its true or not that my opinion, anyways I think he's a hell lot better than those top two running candidate that show obvious hostility and danger to both israel and america.
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no he has in the republican primaries 2%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm
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RationalThought: "...He [Ron Paul]claims, "They [the Neo-cons unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party."
What in this [Paul's] analysis is not true?
It is the refusal to lend unconditional support for the Bolshevik suicidal regime now ruling Israel, together with having a close alliance with Kahanists and other Torah-true Jews who are prevented in taking part in Israel's electoral process, which is America's problem in the Middle East.
It seems to me that ending America's control over Israel's policies via "financial and military assistance", as well as America's drastic reduction in any and all "involvement" 6000 miles from our shores (thus ending the genocidal "Peace Process") would be just the ticket to enhance Jewish security and sovereignty over our own Holy Land.
No. For Israel to be independent, it's up to Israel to stop accepting the loans. Israel must say no.
I discussed this with a supporter of the Bolsheviks and the person actually agreed with me.
The person calls Israeli citizens a bunch of "free thinkers."
So I told him if they're "free thinkers", then they'll stop voting for politicians who always ask the US government what to do. And the person agreed.
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I agree with that too. In the cast that Israel has to go alone, I think they should. Ideally, they won't have to.
Olmert needs to go immediately.
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Re: "...Olmert needs to go immediately..."
A top aid to the Israeli P.M. brought him your message this morning.
He called the Shabak on the phone, mumbled a few words, hung up the phone, and replied the following:
"RationThought must be brought to justice for inciting racism and planning terrorist attacks!"
(not really!... :D ...but it seems all they do in Jerusalem is play "musical chairs"....Olmert leaves....in steps The New Olmert!...only the names and faces change, never the subservience to the CFR & EU.)
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I don't support Ron Paul, and frankly know nothing about him, but the arguments written here against him are weak at best.
Isn't there any damming, hard evidence that people can cite?
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Ron Paul said in the last debate that the US basically shouldn't be involved in bombing nuclear Iran and that since Israel has 200-300 nuclear warheads, it is her call to protect herself.
I know that is a nazi comment with bad intentions for Israel, but on a different interpretation, is he right?
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Ron Paul said in the last debate that the US basically shouldn't be involved in bombing nuclear Iran and that since Israel has 200-300 nuclear warheads, it is her call to protect herself.
I know that is a nazi comment with bad intentions for Israel, but on a different interpretation, is he right?
Not in my opinion, that would be disastrous for Israel. Hmm war against Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezballah all at the same time? Doesn't seem like an ideal situation to me.
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Ron Paul said in the last debate that the US basically shouldn't be involved in bombing nuclear Iran and that since Israel has 200-300 nuclear warheads, it is her call to protect herself.
I know that is a nazi comment with bad intentions for Israel, but on a different interpretation, is he right?
Chaim always said that the best thing for Israel is the absence of American pressure.
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Ron Paul said in the last debate that the US basically shouldn't be involved in bombing nuclear Iran and that since Israel has 200-300 nuclear warheads, it is her call to protect herself.
I know that is a nazi comment with bad intentions for Israel, but on a different interpretation, is he right?
Not in my opinion, that would be disastrous for Israel. Hmm war against Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezballah all at the same time? Doesn't seem like an ideal situation to me.
If this friendship is true and sincere than it's not the problem; but US road map to disaster and pro A-rab ME policy is indicating something oposite; The Torrah speaks that Israel is the land of Elohim not for sale and everyone who'll try to split it in two is cursed by G-d; even in secularist point of view the land concesion and return to pre 1967 Aushwitz borders in exchange for Hudna (10 years time islamic ceasfire with kufirs) is suicide; and dear Wladimir Zebotynski the Islamamonazist A-rabs and their Iranian slaves are adamant in their will to wipe out Israel and Jews from the face of planet; it's better to confront them now when Israel still has some friends in the west, and military advantage.
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I agree 100%