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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: newman on September 04, 2007, 09:59:25 PM
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Italians aren't white; they're Italians.
Comments please.
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She's wrong.
I would ask her this, if they're not white, what are they?
Then after she doesn't say that they're mongoloid, negroid, oceanian, east asian or native american I would ask her to rethink her answer.
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Seriously, who cares ???
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That's funny.
I remember Erica saying that she thought Jews were white.
Italians are more white than Jews, in my estimation.
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Erica is right. Italians are black. Doesn't anyone notice our Wide noses, kinky hair and larger lips than whites..
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Italians are more white than ALL Jews but they're not more white than Ashkenazim. I'd say that Ashkenazim are "whiter" than Italians.
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Erica is right. Italians are black. Doesn't anyone notice our Wide noses, kinky hair and larger lips than whites..
Wait a second, are you admitting to being a moolie?
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being a moolie is coolie.......um hmm
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Hmmmm, do the have ribs, watermelon and fried chicken in Italy?
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Pardon the pun....but Erica is out of her cotton picking mind if she says that Italians aren't white (Caucasion). Some are olive skinned if that's what she means.
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Some Italians are "olive" skinned, and they get nice tans, but they're definitely white.
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Italians are of Mediterranean descent, comparable to Greeks, French, Spanish (real Spain), North African, Sephardi Jews, Arabs, etc.
The "are they white" question gets very old. If you look at how many times the definition of white has changed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#Census_and_social_definitions_in_different_regions), it because irrelevant.
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Hmmmm, do the have ribs, watermelon and fried chicken in Italy?
No Italian I ever met had a nappy-headed mamma who cooked Kentucky Fried Eggplant.
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I'm still all :o over this great news!
Think of all the things I'm owed since I'm not white.
Erica why did you take so long to let us in on this little morsel.
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I'm still all :o over this great news!
Think of all the things I'm owed since I'm not white.
Erica why did you take so long to let us in on this little morsel.
Yeah, just think about the opportunities, you can go around telling everyone that the reason for all of your failings are because of the "white man" and people will now think you're a genius because you can speak properly and you'll be able to get into Harvard and get a great job. How dare Erica hide this crucial information from you! Tell all the Italians!
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You are so correct Ze'ev. Think of all the new doors opening. A nonwhite woman - I got it made in the shade! 8)
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You are so correct Ze'ev. Think of all the new doors opening. A nonwhite woman - I got it made in the shade! 8)
Now you can screw-up all you like at work. You can't be fired!
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WHO CARES WHAT ERICA THINKS ABOUT THAT...
she can beleive whatever she wants... she isn't attacking anyone making silly statements like that
WE ALL KNOW THE REAL ANSWER TO THAT QUESTIONS.. SO WHATS THE PROBLEM
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WHO CARES WHAT ERICA THINKS ABOUT THAT...
she can beleive whatever she wants... she isn't attacking anyone making silly statements like that
WE ALL KNOW THE REAL ANSWER TO THAT QUESTIONS.. SO WHATS THE PROBLEM
If you don't have a problem with it - what's your problem?
I would like her to explain what Italian's are if not white just for my edification.
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Seriously, who cares ???
I agree with kahaneloyalist. Who cares?
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How about this?
Most Italians are Caucasian, and not White.
To those who say now that there is no difference, I will say this:
I am Caucasian. Not because I check the box "White" in applications. But because I was born and raised in the Caucasus region, and look Caucasian and no way White European.
Native Caucasian people, by the way, look Mediterranean, and in no way like people of Norway or Germany, who can be truly classified as Whites.
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WHO CARES WHAT ERICA THINKS ABOUT THAT...
she can beleive whatever she wants... she isn't attacking anyone making silly statements like that
WE ALL KNOW THE REAL ANSWER TO THAT QUESTIONS.. SO WHATS THE PROBLEM
If you don't have a problem with it - what's your problem?
I would like her to explain what Italian's are if not white just for my edification.
MY PROBLEM BULLCAT IS THAT WE CAN BE DISCUSSING SOME MORE PRESSING MATTERS...
WE ARE JUST WASTING TIME HERE
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Well Caucasian means from the Caucasus region, I prefer the term Caucasoid, because it is talking anthropology.
Northern Europeans or nordic is the other term. I don't think whiteness is limited to nordicness, but that's just my opinion.
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It seems like this forum is getting more and more racist. It's really bothering me. There are black Jews who are just as wonderful as any other Jew. Who cares? There is too much focus on what color people are and it's disturbing to me.
If you want to focus on the groups here that are evil... by all means. But to go on and on about black this... white that... mixed here... genes there... caucasian this... and black mixed that... are you focused on hating people who are evil... or just different than you?
It sounds like a KKK rally in here and some of the folks in here are simply racist for no other reason than they don't like people who look different. There's no question about it. G-d created all the traits and features of human beings in His ultimate wisdom and perfection. Now the people who have free choice and do evil, hate that.
We are not a racist organization and some might want to rethink their position. What kind of attention do you want to bring to the forum? What type of members do you want to attract? Do you think that this might prevent some serious people from joining our organization because you like to go over the top on this stuff? Geez... and when Chaim is trying to get into Israel.
You know where I stand on common black culture in this country (it's evil) but this stuff is just garbage. You should all be a little embarrassed. This is ignorant and foolish. Spend more time on worrying if a group is evil and less on what color or genetic makeup they are. Jews are all different colors... and I don't think that thought is crossing some minds.
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The post was to highlight a silly comment made about Italians, Jeff. Not Jewish bloodlines. ???
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Who has ever said that black Jews aren't good people or that all black people are bad people? If so I must not have been here.
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Sorry - I was just surprised to learn from Erica that she didn't consider Italians to be white just Italian - in another thread.
If I'm not white that's news to me.
I don't know about all the technicalities of being white. ;)
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Italians aren't white; they're Italians.
Comments please.
Thank you Newman for doing this. I was going to concede... I guess I'd better change my mind because it won't make one bit of difference. I could say I'm sorry until I'm blue in the face and it would mean nothing here. Screw it.
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Pardon the pun....but Erica is out of her cotton picking mind if she says that Italians aren't white (Caucasion). Some are olive skinned if that's what she means.
I never knew them to be caucasion because bullcat said she's italian. I'm seriously mistaken. * Standing back to watch the chicken and watermelon jokes fly by and my apology, not paid any attention to.*
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You are so correct Ze'ev. Think of all the new doors opening. A nonwhite woman - I got it made in the shade! 8)
Why do you act as if I knew you were Italian, bullcat?
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I believe there is no "generic whiteness" and that whites are divided into various ethnic groups, Italians being one of them.
I'm done with this thread.
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they're not... they are mediteranean and descend from esav which makes them semitic... like us... in ny/nj jews and italians get along just fine... despite their being catholic which in the yefetian rest of europe has spelled disaster for our people... of course the romans and the vatican have done alot of damage to us in italy as well but for some reason we have kindred spirits despite all the anti-semitism emenating out from rome... nik. out...
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It seems like this forum is getting more and more racist. It's really bothering me. There are black Jews who are just as wonderful as any other Jew. Who cares? There is too much focus on what color people are and it's disturbing to me.
Right on .
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You are so correct Ze'ev. Think of all the new doors opening. A nonwhite woman - I got it made in the shade! 8)
Why do you act as if I knew you were Italian, bullcat?
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My father's from Sicily, and though he doesn't look German or Scandinavian, he doesn't look anything other than white with a tan. I have fair skin and hair with blue eyes, so I pass for German/Irish, and when I had long hair I looked Scandinavian. I do have darker cousins and they look Mediterranean, but not Arab.. Israeli at best. Though some Sicilians can definitely pass for Arabs. My brother can pull it off with a beard and a tan :laugh:
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You are so correct Ze'ev. Think of all the new doors opening. A nonwhite woman - I got it made in the shade! 8)
Why do you act as if I knew you were Italian, bullcat?
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What's with the confusion, bullcat? Why do you act as if I knew you were Italian?
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You are so correct Ze'ev. Think of all the new doors opening. A nonwhite woman - I got it made in the shade! 8)
Why do you act as if I knew you were Italian, bullcat?
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What's with the confusion, bullcat? Why do you act as if I knew you were Italian?
Who said you should know anything about me? What are you talking about? See that face ??? confusion.
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The Senator from New Mexico Dennis De Concini does he even look Hispanic :laugh: to lazy to post image http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=dennis+deconcini&sp=1&fr2=sp-top&ei=UTF-8&fr2=tab-web&fr=yfp-t-471&ei=UTF-8&SpellState=n-1820571434_q-rLnM6zZMrnbDJaUwLW2HlQAAAA@@
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Or senator pete Domenici http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0geu8MX0N5GtW8BrvRXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&p=Pete%20V.%20Domenici&y=Search&fr2=tab-web&fr=yfp-t-471
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You are so correct Ze'ev. Think of all the new doors opening. A nonwhite woman - I got it made in the shade! 8)
Why do you act as if I knew you were Italian, bullcat?
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What's with the confusion, bullcat? Why do you act as if I knew you were Italian?
Who said you should know anything about me? What are you talking about? See that face ??? confusion.
WHen I mentioned it in the first place, you said something to the effect that, "WOW I didn't know I wasn't white.." as if I knew that you were Italian. No need to be nasty. I apologized already...I won't apologize again.
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Come on, let's be honest, Italians are a sort of olive colour, Caucasions are sort of half way between peach and cream, those that we call black are really brown, I could go on, who freaking cares though?
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Come on, let's be honest, Italians are a sort of olive colour, Caucasions are sort of half way between peach and cream, those that we call black are really brown, I could go on, who freaking cares though?
LOL although Yacov may not look kindly on this...
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Come on, let's be honest, Italians are a sort of olive colour, Caucasions are sort of half way between peach and cream, those that we call black are really brown, I could go on, who freaking cares though?
I don't see why its a big deal. I didn't post what I posted to make anyone mad. I just thought I knew what I was talking about and found out that I was mistaken..after all, I'm not white. Unfamiliar with the scientific terms to explain whites ,blacks ,purples and greens.
Bullcat, I've never seen you a day in my life so I wouldn't have known whether you were olive in color or white (let alone Italian).
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what brought this up...? nik.
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Italians aren't white; they're Italians.
Comments please.
There's your affirmative action genius.
First laugh all day, thanks Yacov.
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Italians aren't white; they're Italians.
Comments please.
There's your affirmative action genius.
Yacov, why are you always calling me Affirmative action? Second, I said that I was sorry and that I was mistaken. I knew this would happen. What do you want, blood?
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;D
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shem are the semites... arabs and jews... those descendant from yitzchak and yishmael... but also the other sons of shem have to be thrown into the mix here... the babylonians for example... a good source is rabbi aryeh kaplan's living torah which shows archeaological data tracing the three sons of noach until today...
for example and this was taught to me by my rebbe rav bulman... yefet are the europeans from greek, spanish, german and french stock... persia and india are each an admixture of yefet and cham and chamites are all other africans and asians and the north and south american indians... italy and england are roman (i.e. semetic) with the exception in rome of the invading goths and in england of the celts and anglo-saxons... all of germanic stock...
however the gemora in megilah (12 i think) asks where amalek resides and the answer given is in germania shel edom... which would make germans part semetic as well... slavs as in serbia and russia and the other baltic states are also esavites intermingled with yefet... but see aryeh kaplan for further details...
color of skin breaks down for the most part as follows...
shem... olive and brown...
yefet... white or pale (light skinned)...
cham... black, red and yellow...
but as i've just told you there are exceptions and admixtures... and no one since the advent of sancherib and the assyrians (ashur) is of pure lineage any longer... that's over 2500 years ago already... and so there you go...
hope this helps... nik. out...
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I said I was done, but I was addressed by an interesting comment, so I'll respond.
According to that, you can say that there were first whites and blacks in Africa but the whites didn't have a high survival rate so they only grew in large numbers when they left Africa. So if you believe in the "out of Africa" theory, there goes the myth of "Everybody was black, UMM HMM!". Whites did not evolve from blacks.
Maybe, maybe not. There are North African Caucasoids who are native to Africa, and of Mediterranean decent. I'm not talking about immigrants from Europe.
The South Africans, however, are Northern European.
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I find it really amazing that when Newman makes comments that are about 1000 times more ridiculous and racist than this, it gets virtually no response from any of you guys. But now that Erica has made a response like this, it's now become a 4 page thread.
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The South Africans, however, are Northern European.
No, they are predominantly Western European (Dutch, German, French Huguenot).
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It seems like this forum is getting more and more racist. It's really bothering me. There are black Jews who are just as wonderful as any other Jew. Who cares? There is too much focus on what color people are and it's disturbing to me.
If you want to focus on the groups here that are evil... by all means. But to go on and on about black this... white that... mixed here... genes there... caucasian this... and black mixed that... are you focused on hating people who are evil... or just different than you?
It sounds like a KKK rally in here and some of the folks in here are simply racist for no other reason than they don't like people who look different. There's no question about it. G-d created all the traits and features of human beings in His ultimate wisdom and perfection. Now the people who have free choice and do evil, hate that.
We are not a racist organization and some might want to rethink their position. What kind of attention do you want to bring to the forum? What type of members do you want to attract? Do you think that this might prevent some serious people from joining our organization because you like to go over the top on this stuff? Geez... and when Chaim is trying to get into Israel.
You know where I stand on common black culture in this country (it's evil) but this stuff is just garbage. You should all be a little embarrassed. This is ignorant and foolish. Spend more time on worrying if a group is evil and less on what color or genetic makeup they are. Jews are all different colors... and I don't think that thought is crossing some minds.
Jeffguy, you have such an excellent way to articulate exactly what the relevent issues are here, the issues that I fully agree with. It's just that you know how to articulate it better than I ever could :)
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I find it really amazing that when Newman makes comments that are about 1000 times more ridiculous and racist than this, it gets virtually no response from any of you guys. But now that Erica has made a response like this, it's now become a 4 page thread.
Remember I made the monumental mistake of calling 'Jewish' a race (AND apologized)? People were calling me racist and all sorts of things. I mentioned that I didn't know and was sorry and people STILL bashed me for it. Talk about unforgiving. lol Jeffguy is an honorable person. I disagree with him ALSO but I respect him more because he doesn't have to call people names to get his point accross. I could learn a lot from his example.
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How about this?
Most Italians are Caucasian, and not White.
To those who say now that there is no difference, I will say this:
I am Caucasian. Not because I check the box "White" in applications. But because I was born and raised in the Caucasus region, and look Caucasian and no way White European.
Native Caucasian people, by the way, look Mediterranean, and in no way like people of Norway or Germany, who can be truly classified as Whites.
They are still white. All Caucasians are white, not just what you called white Europeans. The reason the word white, which is a light color, is used, is because ethnocentric Europeans invented the term. So therefore, there are white North Africans, white Western Asians, white Central Asians, and white Southern Asians.
Well, I don't take into consideration only the skin color, but an average psycho-type. I think it has a lot to do with the climate and geography of habitat.
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Italians are kinda like Jews. Some have a darker complexion, and some have a fair complexion. For the most part Jews and Italians are white. Some Jews and Italians have blue or green eyes also.
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I''m not going to read through all this right now, but try and avoid turning this into any personal attacks.
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Well Caucasian means from the Caucasus region, I prefer the term Caucasoid, because it is talking anthropology.
Northern Europeans or Nordic is the other term. I don't think whiteness is limited to Nordicness, but that's just my opinion.
Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans are the 3 types of Caucasoids.
Agreed. But there are also groups like Aremenoid and Dinaric, which tend to mix different elements. Ashkenazis tend to be Aremenoid.
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Well I am Italian, I am white and on one occasion during the summer I become a light shade of beige hows them apples.
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Well I am Italian, I am white and on one occasion during the summer I become a light shade of beige hows them apples.
...Yet no one saw my apologIES... Forget it. This thread is BS.
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There is a wide variety in skin color for Italians, if people had their ancestors from Northern Italy they are as white as a Scandanavian. There are some from Naples or the South that have an Olive color skin. And remember one thing you can all thank the Italians for teaching people of the world how to eat :P
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There is a wide variety in skin color for Italians, if people had their ancestors from Northern Italy they are as white as a Scandanavian. There are some from Naples or the South that have an Olive color skin. And remember one thing you can all thank the Italians for teaching people of the world how to eat :P
What?
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Italian have given a lot to the world. Food, culture, arts, literature, very rich Renaissance history. Very hard working, very strong family unit. Growing in NY many of the old school Italian neighborhoods was such a pleasure. Everyone was there to help each other through good and bad.
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Italian have given a lot to the world. Food, culture, arts, literature, very rich Renaissance history. Very hard working, very strong family unit. Growing in NY many of the old school Italian neighborhoods was such a pleasure. Everyone was there to help each other through good and bad.
That's refreshing to hear/read, Masterwolf. Once African Americans get back to the times when family was all that mattered, we'll all probably be better off.
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Pat Cooper once said in his comedy routine he was Italian as well..
" All my life I lived in an all Italian neighborhood in Brooklyn, one time a Chinese family moved next door, so my mother made them feel welcome by making ravioli and inside was a message " (as to fortune cookies) A little humor there.
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Erica ,
We've had some very "not so nice" posts between each other. Look, I believe some of your posts are simply insane, and I'm sure you feel the same as mine. I will more than likely disagree with you, and you with me. At the end of the day You are a member of JTF, and I should respect you, even when I believe your opinoin is completly insane. I wanted too take this opportunity to let you know that I was always right in the first place ( sarcasm ) Be well Erica, no hard feeling ok ?
Jeff
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Erica ,
We've had some very "not so nice" posts between each other. Look, I believe some of your posts are simply insane, and I'm sure you feel the same as mine. I will more than likely disagree with you, and you with me. At the end of the day You are a member of JTF, and I should respect you, even when I believe your opinoin is completly insane. I wanted too take this opportunity to let you know that I was always right in the first place ( sarcasm ) Be well Erica, no hard feeling ok ?
Jeff
I'll survive... Thanks.
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Italian have given a lot to the world. Food, culture, arts, literature, very rich Renaissance history. Very hard working, very strong family unit. Growing in NY many of the old school Italian neighborhoods was such a pleasure. Everyone was there to help each other through good and bad.
That's refreshing to hear/read, Masterwolf. Once African Americans get back to the times when family was all that mattered, we'll all probably be better off.
What do you mean "get back to the times when family was all that mattered"? That implies that there WAS a time when family matter for Africans. There's no indication that marriage was a particularly strong institution among Africans or is a strong institution today for them.
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What do you mean "get back to the times when family was all that mattered"? That implies that there WAS a time when family matter for Africans. There's no indication that marriage was a particularly strong institution among Africans or is a strong institution today for them.
Exactly!
Could someone please point out the time and/or place where morallity and family values reigned supreme in the negro culture?
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Screw this. I'm through. Everytime I try to bring positivity here, it gets stomped on. I sat here and typed out in agreement with Masterwolf that its great that his culture celebrates family. I can't win for losing here.
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What do you mean "get back to the times when family was all that mattered"? That implies that there WAS a time when family matter for Africans. There's no indication that marriage was a particularly strong institution among Africans or is a strong institution today for them.
Exactly!
Could someone please point out the time and/or place where morallity and family values reigned supreme in the negro culture?
I know I said I was through but damn, I had to comment on this. There are heavily involved black families everywhere, not in the LARGE numbers you're looking for but they do exist. There dosen't have to be a time and place. I also want to point out that America's divorce rate is at 50% now; if not more. Since you're a statistical person, why don't you tell me the ratio of divorced African Americans to divorced whites.
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical. Recent figures show that close to 70% of black babies are born to out-of-wedlock mothers. Does that seem like a group of people that values the institution of marriage?
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. Since you're a statistical person, why don't you tell me the ratio of divorced African Americans to divorced whites.
That's a 'trick' question.
Blacks hardly ever get married in the first place. They either shack-up or the buck leaves after a brief encounter. a comparison would be unfair.
And YES!!!!! I know YOU'RE married, Erica.
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.
I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?
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. Since you're a statistical person, why don't you tell me the ratio of divorced African Americans to divorced whites.
That's a 'trick' question.
Blacks hardly ever get married in the first place. They either shack-up or the buck leaves after a brief encounter. a comparison would be unfair.
And YES!!!!! I know YOU'RE married, Erica.
I wasn't going to say anything.
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.
I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?
She's doing it again.
Pointing to exceptions to try and disprove a rule.
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.
I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?
Yeah I know. Many white people get divorced because they can't work out their differences and people are very selfish nowadays and are unwilling to give concessions to please their spouse if it doesn't benefit them. The point is that even though if whites divorce a lot, they at least get married and try to work through the marriage where blacks don't even bother getting married they just become impregnated with a minimal relationship between the man and woman. Most of these women are left and the father has nothing to do with the child's life. Of course divorce rates among whites is disturbing but at least they're TRYING, most blacks make NO ATTEMPT.
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.
I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?
Yeah I know. Many white people get divorced because they can't work out their differences and people are very selfish nowadays and are unwilling to give concessions to please their spouse if it doesn't benefit them. The point is that even though if whites divorce a lot, they at least get married and try to work through the marriage where blacks don't even bother getting married they just become impregnated with a minimal relationship between the man and woman. Most of these women are left and the father has nothing to do with the child's life. Of course divorce rates among whites is disturbing but at least they're TRYING, most blacks make NO ATTEMPT.
I have a problem with the wording of some of these posts because I don't fall into the stereotype. MOST to me, means ALL because its coming from you. As a matter of fact, no one here believes there is any good in the black community, be it marriage or otherwise because of the statistics. Having these statistics really makes it hard to make friends with white people because of what they might be thinking. Always negativity, never positivity, even if they only see a little.
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I don't post that much. But, I have to say that Erica knows quite well that the divorce rates of whites are higher than blacks because vast the majority of blacks don't get married. So how could they have a higher divorce rate than whites, who generally speaking, do get married?. She is just trying to antagonize us. It's not a sincere question for a second. It's called white bating. It's obvious to me.
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they're not... they are mediteranean and descend from esav which makes them semitic... like us... in ny/nj jews and italians get along just fine... despite their being catholic which in the yefetian rest of europe has spelled disaster for our people... of course the romans and the vatican have done alot of damage to us in italy as well but for some reason we have kindred spirits despite all the anti-semitism emenating out from rome... nik. out...
What's up with all this calling of the Europeans Esauites? It has nothing to do with Tanath teachings and scientific reality. And I agree with Jeffguy that some here are starting to sound like Crazied Nazim here; obssesed with race and colour, the white colonists in America made the mistake taking the Blacks out of their beloved jungles and forcing them into modern world; all in the name of deity of Mamon. It's time to redeem this wrong and send them back to Africa. ::)
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Italians are kinda like Jews. Some have a darker complexion, and some have a fair complexion. For the most part Jews and Italians are white. Some Jews and Italians have blue or green eyes also.
So is that why I look so Italian even though I have no Italian blood in me?
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Screw this. I'm through. Everytime I try to bring positivity here, it gets stomped on. I sat here and typed out in agreement with Masterwolf that its great that his culture celebrates family. I can't win for losing here.
Don't leave over this, Erica. The reason why they get even more upset when you say something positive and agree with them is because you are ruining their presumed generilizations. They really want you to say bad and stupid things, that would make them happier. Saying smart things actually makes them more upset because they might just have to accept the fact that it's actually possible for someone black to be smart and in agreement with others on here.
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they're not... they are mediteranean and descend from esav which makes them semitic... like us... in ny/nj jews and italians get along just fine... despite their being catholic which in the yefetian rest of europe has spelled disaster for our people... of course the romans and the vatican have done alot of damage to us in italy as well but for some reason we have kindred spirits despite all the anti-semitism emenating out from rome... nik. out...
What's up with all this calling of the Europeans Esauites? It has nothing to do with Tanath teachings and scientific reality. And I agree with Jeffguy that some here are starting to sound like Crazied Nazim here; obssesed with race and colour, the white colonists in America made the mistake taking the Blacks out of their beloved jungles and forcing them into modern world; all in the name of deity of Mamon. It's time to redeem this wrong and send them back to Africa. ::)
Wait a minute! HOLD IT!!! You just agreed with Jeffguy that things are turning into crazed Nazism with the obsession with race and color. But then, literally, in the very same sentence, you engage in that very crazed racism.
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.
I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?
That's not a good example because they should have got married. That's still a form of illegitimacy.
Legally, I believe this is a form of common-law marriage.
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.
I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?
That's not a good example because they should have got married. That's still a form of illegitimacy.
Legally, I believe this is a form of common-law marriage.
Which of course is nonsense.
Perhaps according to the torah, it's nonsense. But according to US law, it's the law.
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they're not... they are mediteranean and descend from esav which makes them semitic... like us... in ny/nj jews and italians get along just fine... despite their being catholic which in the yefetian rest of europe has spelled disaster for our people... of course the romans and the vatican have done alot of damage to us in italy as well but for some reason we have kindred spirits despite all the anti-semitism emenating out from rome... nik. out...
What's up with all this calling of the Europeans Esauites? It has nothing to do with Tanath teachings and scientific reality. And I agree with Jeffguy that some here are starting to sound like Crazied Nazim here; obssesed with race and colour, the white colonists in America made the mistake taking the Blacks out of their beloved jungles and forcing them into modern world; all in the name of deity of Mamon. It's time to redeem this wrong and send them back to Africa. ::)
Wait a minute! HOLD IT!!! You just agreed with Jeffguy that things are turning into crazed Nazism with the obsession with race and color. But then, literally, in the very same sentence, you engage in that very crazed racism.
It's not Rascism but culturalism, The ones who cannot or rather don't want adapt must leave; it's the best solution for us and them; the thing are heading for race war. The separation idea is the core of Kahanism.
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they're not... they are mediteranean and descend from esav which makes them semitic... like us... in ny/nj jews and italians get along just fine... despite their being catholic which in the yefetian rest of europe has spelled disaster for our people... of course the romans and the vatican have done alot of damage to us in italy as well but for some reason we have kindred spirits despite all the anti-semitism emenating out from rome... nik. out...
What's up with all this calling of the Europeans Esauites? It has nothing to do with Tanath teachings and scientific reality. And I agree with Jeffguy that some here are starting to sound like Crazied Nazim here; obssesed with race and colour, the white colonists in America made the mistake taking the Blacks out of their beloved jungles and forcing them into modern world; all in the name of deity of Mamon. It's time to redeem this wrong and send them back to Africa. ::)
Wait a minute! HOLD IT!!! You just agreed with Jeffguy that things are turning into crazed Nazism with the obsession with race and color. But then, literally, in the very same sentence, you engage in that very crazed racism.
It's not Rascism but culturalism, The ones who cannot or rather don't want adapt must leave; it's the best solution for us and them; the thing are heading for race war. The separation idea is the core of Kahanism.
Kahanism might work in Israel, but wouldn't work the same way in the US. The US cannot legislate morality, tradition, or culture. They can only legislate "laws." The only way the US can separate people is from those who are legal and those who are here illegally and/or here committing illegal acts.
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This is interesting Ive woundered the the same thing, so are they white yes or no?
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It depends on how you define white. That's the problem, it seems everyone invents their own definition.
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The reason why there is a vast difference in skin tones among Italians is also from 1000s of years. Half of Italy is in the North that is generally rather cold near the Alps the spring there doesn't really begin till May. While those in Sicily and Naples where my grandparents came from do have an olive skin tone cause it is very hot in those regions and it is practically warm to hot 10 month out of the year. A lot of sun and the Southern Italians many years ago like my grandfather and his father so forth were fishermen and out all day in the docks of Naples the sun would beat down on people. Another reason also after lunch in Southern Italy many people take an hour nap and return back to work in the evening when it cools a bit. There is the lesson from an Italian. But generally they are concidered caucassion. Hope this clarifies.
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I certainly consider Italians to be white. I actually have a darker complexion than many Sicilians.
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I heard that Northern Italians also have a Germanic admixture. Maybe this is from the Barbarian invaders in Roman times. It makes sense since it borders Switzerland.
The Germanic admixture was from the Lombards, who were a Germanic tribe that settled in northern Italy over a thousand years ago.
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I have nothing worth posting, have a laugh.
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It depends on how you define white. That's the problem, it seems everyone invents their own definition.
I mean white as in their blood line overall thats the only way to find a solid yes or no, personally I dont think their white no freakin way (maybe part white) my best friend is italian also others aswell and to me they dont look or act white. Last time I checked italians have thick curly hair, are real hairy, big lips, and have different facial features contrary to those we know as pure caucasians such as swedes, germans, danes, you get the point and now excuse my amature genetic analysis but last time I checked thick or curly hair isnt white big lips not white. I think that 20% of italians are pure white Ive seen some (rarely) that look white as in comparable to a german, but think that the obvious (majority) are mixed with arab or something non white because I refuse to denie what my eyes tell me about their appearance.
Im sure everyone here recalls Alexander the Great? anyways how many of you recall when he (correct me on the number if Im wrong) had 20,000 of his soldiers take persian women for wives? Anyways its a fact of history that the romans (italians) like the greek also set out and conquered the middle east and like the greek you can say a good number of them took wives that were brought back to rome or brought as slaves. Anyways I think they're somewhere in that ballpark ethnic wise or they might be like the jews and have their own personal genetic make up different from everyone elses. Anyways if anyone has that solid yes or no that be for the best.
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Italians (and sephardic Jews) are part of the Indo-Mediterranean race. Whether or not that is considered white is what determines whether or not Italians/Greeks/Spanish/French/North Africans/Arabs are white.
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Ashkenazic Jews are also Mediterranean. Saying otherwise is racist and supports Arab Muslim Nazi claims of Ashkenazim of not being real Jews but rather "Khazars".
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying ashkenazi Jews are fairly similar to kurds and armenians, which makes them armenoid. Aremenoids are partially mediterranean.
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Anthropology is one of my hobbies. Here are some good websites.
http://racialreality.110mb.com/index.html
http://www.biodiversityforum.com/index.php
Ashkenazis are close to Sephardics, but different enough that they are two separate ethnicities. Khazar theory is bs though. Whatever khazars converted have been absorbed. Genetic testing disproves it.
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Ashkenazic Jews are also Mediterranean. Saying otherwise is racist and supports Arab Muslim Nazi claims of Ashkenazim of not being real Jews but rather "Khazars".
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying ashkenazi Jews are fairly similar to kurds and armenians, which makes them armenoid. Aremenoids are partially mediterranean.
well according to nordic theory (I'm not necessarily a
So what are Persians and white Indians?
I hate to use this term, but Persians and Indians were the original "aryans." The Germans liked to claim them as being German-like, however, I believe it is actually the slavs who most resemble the Indians. Hitler was wrong. Don't quote me on that though. Being south Asian, I would guess Persians, originally, were similar to Indians. Then they mixed with mongols.
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What is the racial makeup of The Swiss? Specifically, can you break down the racial makeup of the French-speaking region, the German-speaking region, and the French-speaking region?
Would you call the Italian-speaking ones Italian?
BTW, I added to your question to Chaim something about Italian-speaking Swiss and if he thaught of them like he does Italians in Italy.
The traditional ethnic composition of the territories of modern Switzerland includes the following components
* speakers of Swiss German, i.e. Alemannic German, historically amalgamated from the Gallo-Roman population and the Alemanni, including subgroups such as the Walser. "Swiss" from the 16th to 18th centuries referred to this group exclusively, and only with the expansion of the Swiss confederacy following the Congress of Vienna was the term applied to non-Alemannic territories. Closely related German-speaking peoples are the Alsatians, the Germans (especially the Swabians) and the Austrians (especially the Vorarlbergians).
* the Romands, traditionally speaking Franco-Provençal dialects, today largely assimilated to the standard French language (Swiss French), amalgamated from the Gallo-Roman population and Burgundians (the historical Upper Burgundy). They are closely related to the French (especially those of Franche-Comte).
* the Ticinesi, traditionally speakers of Lombardic dialects (Ticinese) today mostly assimilated to the standard Italian language, amalgamated from Raetians and Lombards. They are closely related to the Italians (especially Lombardians and Piedmontese).
* The Rumantsch, speakers of the Rumantsch language, settling in parts of the Grisons, historically of Raetic stock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_%28people%29
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Anthropology is one of my hobbies. Here are some good websites.
http://racialreality.110mb.com/index.html
http://www.biodiversityforum.com/index.php
Ashkenazis are close to Sephardics, but different enough that they are two separate ethnicities. Khazar theory is bs though. Whatever khazars converted have been absorbed. Genetic testing disproves it.
Yeah, actually EagleEye is pretty much on the ball here, at least according to all of the genetic studies I've seen. Ashkenazi Jews are racially more related to some other groups than to Sephardic Jews and the same is true for the Sepharadim. But they are much closer to each other than Ashkenazi Jews are related to Germans or Dutch, for example. There is no Jewish "race" but there are Jewish "ethnicities" with Jewish blood (however much) connecting all of the Jewish "ethnicities" together, excepting Ethiopian Jews.
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Correct, we are on the same page.
Armenoids are similar to Meds, they are partially Med, but they aren't fully Med.
Armenoids are a geographical variant of the Dinaric subtype, therefore, Romanians/Serbs/Bulgarians are fairly similar to ashkenazi Jews.
If you find this stuff interesting, I suggest you participate there.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinaric_race
http://racialreality.110mb.com/subraces.html its down in the middle there
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* The Rumantsch, speakers of the Rumantsch language, settling in parts of the Grisons, historically of Raetic stock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_%28people%29
What is that?
Also, would you classify the Italian-speaking Swiss as "Italians"?
The Romansh is a Romance ethnic group, and the Italian-speaking Swiss are ethnically Italian, but see themselves as being Swiss.
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Armenoids are a geographical variant of the Dinaric subtype, therefore, Romanians/Serbs/Bulgarians are fairly similar to ashkenazi Jews.
What is Dinaric a sub-type of, Alpine?
I believe not, though Dinarics may be mixed with some amount. Alpines would be slavs, typical Polish or Russian person.
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* the Romands, traditionally speaking Franco-Provençal dialects, today largely assimilated to the standard French language (Swiss French), amalgamated from the Gallo-Roman population and Burgundians (the historical Upper Burgundy). They are closely related to the French (especially those of Franche-Comte).
So that brings us to the question of what is the makeup of The French? I know the native French population (Those from the original Gaul.) are related to the original inhabitants of The British Isles [The Galic-speaking peoples of Wales (Derived from "Gaul".), Scotland, and Ireland.]. I think these French still live in Britanny and Normandy. All these people are descendants of Gomer, from Japheth, son of Noah.
The French people are made up of a mixture of Gauls (Celtic), Franks (Germanic), and Romans.
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I think that this gentic testing has proven that although Jews tend to be either ashkenazi or sephardic, it is membership to a religious community that makes someone truly Jewish, not genetics. Someone with a Jewish father clearly has Jewish DNA, but is not Jewish by Orthodox standards. Someone with no Jewish DNA can convert.
Jews are not a race.
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while that which remained in Asia Minor became assimilated into the Dinaric and Armenoid.
What you posted there is very consistent with what I was saying earlier.
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I mean white as in their blood line overall thats the only way to find a solid yes or no, personally I dont think their white no freakin way (maybe part white) my best friend is italian also others aswell and to me they dont look or act white. Last time I checked italians have thick curly hair, are real hairy, big lips, and have different facial features contrary to those we know as pure caucasians such as swedes, germans, danes, you get the point and now excuse my amature genetic analysis but last time I checked thick or curly hair isnt white big lips not white. I think that 20% of italians are pure white Ive seen some (rarely) that look white as in comparable to a german, but think that the obvious (majority) are mixed with arab or something non white because I refuse to denie what my eyes tell me about their appearance.
Arabs are white so Arab blood mixed with Italian blood is still white.
I will not tolerate your Anti-Mediterranean racist statements on here. You talk like a German Nazi who claims that only "Aryans" [sic] are white. Of course Germans are not Aryans and Nazis consider real Aryans to be non-white because they are white Asians, not European. But the stupid Nazis thought that "the German race" was "the true Aryan race".
Anti-Mediterranean? how didnt you read my post? didnt I say that my best friend was italian and that I have other italian friends? When I said white I meant just that (100% white people as in swedes and ext) I wasnt belittling mediterraneans in any form just stating a personal thought. I talk like a german nazi? I guess thats pre talk that'll eventually leed up to you calling me a nazi right? dont forget your writing to a jew not just any jew a ashkenazi jew in which 6,000,000 of my own were murdered by those animals and you have the nerve to say that I talk like nazi because in last post I said that italians, arabs, and ext are not the same as northern euro's, well they're not same are they? Anyways hopefully this better interpritation of my last post clears any suspitions of me being a nazi.
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The Indo-Europeans are made of Germnics, Slavic, Romantic, and Celtic nations plus few others like Albanians or Greeks; they're other like Basks and Ugro_fines like Hungarians and Finns all are white skined and caucasoid; that's science all this antroplologicall mambo-jumbo about hierarhy of races and sub races is good for nazis; Did you realise haw people in Roman Empire migrated and mixed from one province to another; or haw the in the migaration periods changed the continent? The Est gemans are more slavic then germanics for ex; and bavarian are partialy of roman ancestry; Do you noticed that in Germany the Rhienland and Bavaria which were before V century Germanic Invasion roman stayed Roman Catholic after reformation? culture and etnicity is more important than mithical "Race" Ashkenazi Jews are still Jewish mediterean or not. BYW Khazars were Turkic nation not "Nordic" or "Aryan" and hardly European living in Est Ukraine and Volga region not Poland or Belarus. But when they converted into Judaism they become Jews period.
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.
I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?
That's not a good example because they should have got married. That's still a form of illegitimacy.
Are you ligitimate? If so, why does it matter to you whether someone gets married or not? You don't even think blacks are human, or have any worth. Why does it matter if they get married or not?
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.
I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?
That's not a good example because they should have got married. That's still a form of illegitimacy.
Legally, I believe this is a form of common-law marriage.
It is, Daniel. In Chicago after 7 years, common law marriage is what it is...a marriage just with no ceremony or licence.
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There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with. Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.
I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?
That's not a good example because they should have got married. That's still a form of illegitimacy.
Are you ligitimate? If so, why does it matter to you whether someone gets married or not? You don't even think blacks are himan, or have any worth. Why does it matter if they get married or not?
They should get married because G-d doesn't allow harlotry. G-d gave blacks free will just like He gave whites. It just so happens to be that most blacks choose evil.
And you're choosing to be evil. You don't have a heaven or a hell to put anyone in Yacov. You can't tell people when to get married.
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Are you legitimate?
Yes.
Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.
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Are you legitimate?
Yes.
Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.
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I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.
Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
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Are you legitimate?
Yes.
Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.
I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.
Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.
The personal lives of others are affected by un-married parents because their bastard children grow up to be muggers and criminals.
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And you've proven us right about blacks not getting married before they have kids. Are you parents still married?
Also, aren't your step-children illegitimate too?
My parents divorced when I turned 8. It just didn't work out. And another thing, my stepchildren's mothers weren't married to my husband when they were concieved. They're not Illigitimate, they're worth everything. And we have custody of them. Illegitimate children are children who aren't being taken care of by their mother or dad. They are WELL provided for, thanks.
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Look up illegitimate in the dictionary.
il·le·git·i·mate (l-jt-mt)
adj.
1. Against the law; illegal.
2. Born out of wedlock.*******
3. Grammar Not in correct usage.
4. Incorrectly deduced; illogical.
5. Biology Unacceptable as a scientific name because of contradiction to the international rules of nomenclature.
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Are you legitimate?
Yes.
Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.
I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.
Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.
The personal lives of others are affected by un-married parents because their bastard children grow up to be muggers and criminals.
Generalizing again...
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Look up illegitimate in the dictionary.
Newman already posted it. My children, every one of them are well- taken care of. Calling them or other children illegitimate is setting them up for failure. The same thing happens when you call a child 'n' all their lives. They grow up thinking that's their name and therefore act the part. By the way "n" and "b with an itch" is in the dictionary also..should we go around saying it because its printed in a dictionary?
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Are you legitimate?
Yes.
Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.
I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.
Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.
The personal lives of others are affected by un-married parents because their bastard children grow up to be muggers and criminals.
Generalizing again...
Of course he's generalizing. He never claimed to be not generalizing. Just use some analysis and realize what his point is. Children of unmarried parents are more likely to be involved in crime than children of married parents, and that affects the lives of other people. There, was that so hard? These are facts.
Also, your changing around of the definition of the word illegitimate isn't going to fly. The word has a clear definition that everyone here, including yourself, knows, so please don't play any games with us.
I find it funny that you argue to us about your own situation and say that you're always an exception to the rule, but your parents weren't married and your husband has illegitimate children from two different women. You seem to fit the stereotypical definition in that regard.
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Are you legitimate?
Yes.
Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.
I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.
Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.
The personal lives of others are affected by un-married parents because their bastard children grow up to be muggers and criminals.
Generalizing again...
Of course he's generalizing. He never claimed to be not generalizing. Just use some analysis and realize what his point is. Children of unmarried parents are more likely to be involved in crime than children of married parents, and that affects the lives of other people. There, was that so hard? These are facts.
Also, your changing around of the definition of the word illegitimate isn't going to fly. The word has a clear definition that everyone here, including yourself, knows, so please don't play any games with us.
I find it funny that you argue to us about your own situation and say that you're always an exception to the rule, but your parents weren't married and your husband has illegitimate children from two different women. You seem to fit the stereotypical definition in that regard.
I'm no stereotype. But like I said, how does what one person or three people does in their life affect you? How does my having step daughters who have two different mothers impact your life at all? I never said I was an exception to ANY rule, that's what you and newman say. I'm one of many stepmothers who married men with children.
The word illegitimate is a negative term used to hurt children of broken homes. ANd I told you that my parents WERE married, Yacov. They got married on Father's day to make the day important to my dad. He had all intentions of marrying my mother even before I was thought of, my mom was too young at that time. My mom and dad stayed married for 8 years. They did all they could and it didn't work out.
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If she was too young to get married, why was she having sex?
Why are you asking me? I wasn't there... ::) I'm imagining that my grandmother was too afraid to talk to her about sex and she learned through other means.
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I'm no stereotype. But like I said, how does what one person or three people does in their life affect you? How does my having step daughters who have two different mothers impact your life at all? I never said I was an exception to ANY rule, that's what you and newman say. I'm one of many stepmothers who married men with children.
It's not a problem that you married someone with kids or that they have two different mothers. The problem is that your husband was never married to either of the mothers at the time the babies were conceived. But it is indeed commendable that you didn't have kids out of wedlock.
BTW, just because people don't have kids out of wedlock, it doesn't mean it's okay to have sex outside of marriage, even when using "protection".
Yacov, you do know that you're not lord over anyone or their actions, right? If my husband had married the my step-daugthers mothers, they'd have been divorced 2 months afterwards because they both cheated on him. I think it was smart of him not to marry them. That's my opinion though. As for the conception of his kids, he regrets having them so early in life, but never flaked out of caring for them. He loved them from the moment they were born. No matter what the circumstances were,he's still a real man.