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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: Jewish Nationalist on September 24, 2007, 06:29:40 AM
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"It is actually interesting to see how the Islamic threat will weld Europeans and Jews together. A new form of progressive nationalism is forming now as this new breed of European nationalists see Jews as allies and brothers. But so much has to be done first. We have to heal wounds which were inflicted by Hitler and all the other reactionary nationalists and of course the Church - both Catholic and Protestant. The biggest task is to make the Jews trust the ETHNIC European nationalism."
-- Kai Murros
Why do some people single out Jews for occupying "stolen land"? Was not Rhodesia "stolen land"? Is not the entire US "stolen land"? The US controls Israel and uses it as a military outpost in the Middle East. Do gentiles have no part in the destruction of Europe, is it all the Jews' fault? I simply cannot relate to the sometimes absurd reasoning of antisemites anymore. Basically, most (not all, fortunately) White nationalists live in a comic book world. They desperately need an enemy that is all-evil and all-powerful. They need a super villain on which they can pin ALL the blame. They refuse to see that shades of grey exist. The problem lies squarely with neoliberal capitalism and the accompanying multiculturalist and ultra-left-liberal agenda. While some Jews might be in on this, so are many White gentiles. Hence, it makes no sense to demonize an entire people, especially when one considers that many Jews are on the side of Europe and not her enemies.
One of the problems with some Jews in America and Europe is that they vehemently promote ethnocentrism IN ISRAEL but are STAUNCHLY OPPOSED to ANY KIND of nationalism in America or the nations of Europe. This is what sets some Jews apart from Italians. Meaning, I have yet to meet Italian nationalists who are opposed to other European nationalists.
Various European nationalists hate each other's guts. Jewish nationalism (Zionism) views itself as moral and "good" while it views European nationalism (of any variety) as immoral and "bad" (because of its supposed "xenophobic" nature). So, while a Serbian nationalist may hate a Croatian nationalist, the former would surely never argue that the latter's nationalism is intrinsically "evil." Some Jews, though, do exactly that. They advocate nationalism for their people but discourage others from doing likewise.
Israel is a multicultural hellhole as well, by the way. Neo-liberalism and notions of racial suicide are just as rampant there as they are in Europe and AmeriKa. Hence, the ridiculous claim that Jews advocate purity for their own but mixing for others does not hold water. Plus, the majority of Jews in Europe and AmeriKa marry gentiles, hence they do not stick to themselves in most cases. I doubt that most Jews act the way they do for ideological reasons, as people like Kevin MacDonald claim. Just like White gentiles, some Jews are mostly after money and power. Simply put: THERE IS NO JEWISH CONSPIRACY.
Being anti-Zionist is the same as being anti-Semitic. Zionists fight for the ancient homeland of the Jewish people. To deny them the right to fight for what has always been the Jews' own land is tantamount to denying the Jewish people to evolve and prosper as a nation. Ahmadinejad is an enemy of the Jewish people as he is opposed to Zionism. Surely, Ahmadinjead would like nothing more than Israel ceasing to exist as a Jewish state. Ahmadinejad surely wants Jews and Plo/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis enjoying equal rights in a non-apartheid Israel. This wish equals the desire to "wipe Israel off the map" as the demographic situation (rabbit-style reproducing Arabs versus barely-reproducing Jews) in this scenario would spell the death of the Jewish people. Hence, Ahmadinejad calls for genocide to be committed against the Jewish people. In that sense, he is as bad a Nazi as a Nazi can be. He is an Islamonazi, no doubt about it.
Race realism was a dominant ideology in the United States at the same time that Hitler introduced anti-Semitism as Germany's state policy. The US was a racialist state without the anti-Semitic baggage. Why can most Jews not see that? After all, a racialist AmeriKa helped defeat an anti-Semitic Germany in World War II. Harvard, Yale and Princeton tried to keep Jews out of their schools. However, they are private schools, hence they - at least at that time, before forced integration and affirmative action - were able to conduct their own affairs and decide who to accept as students and who not, independent from the government. In contrast to Nazi Germany, however, in the United States there were no governmental legislations that decreed anti-Semitism an official state policy. All discriminatory policies against Jews at the time were only applicable in the context of private organizations pursuing them.
Ashkenazi Jews are basically Germanic Jews since they originated in Southern Germany. They even spoke a Germanic language, Yiddish. Hence, Ashkenazi Jews had more in common with the original White settler population in America, the English and the Germans, than Sephardic Jews.
By Constantin von Hoffmeister
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If someone is writing "Being anti-Zionist is the same as being anti-Semitic" he can't be deciever trying to divide Jews; and ashkenazi culture is from Northern Europe; including Germany; Ydish is dialect of lower german.
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You are a liar.
I did not write the article.
Ashkenazic Jews did not originate in Germany. They orignated in Israel and lived in Exile in Germany
Yes. That is one part of the article with which I disagree. But otherwise he makes some good points, and it is for this reason that I posted the article. Do you not see *any* merits in the article?
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I do know The BNP is attracting Jewish members."Politics makes strange bed fellows"
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JTF is not, racist or Race Nationalist, or Race Realist, we believe culture is the issue. This is a racist article from a White Nationalist, we shouldnt have any part in this sort of thing.
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From what I have seen, in my analysis of genetic research, whatever non-sephardic blood ashkenazis have is mainly from eastern europe, not from Germany (kurds and armenians seem to cluster close to ashkenazi Jews). I am not talking about khazars, the khazarian theory is obviously false, and I realize sephardic Jews and and Ashkenazi Jews are still somewhat related. A converted Jew is a Jew anyways, and most ashkenazis have partial middle-eastern ancestry.
The Jews in Germany were recent immigrants, often, from Poland and Russia.
Constantin, in general, occasionally makes some interesting points, but there are obviously contradictions between his ideology and jtf's ideology.
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Constantin von Hoffmeister is all in one white nationalist boards.
http://www.vnnforum.com/index.php
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I am not in 100% agreement with what he wrote here, but that is misleading, because he posted there mainly to respond to personal attacks...the same reason I did, and NOT to support it!
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Hey! If the Euro Nat's want to genuinely drop the swastikas, nazism, anti-semitism and Jew conspiracy nut-jobbery we're all in favour.
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Yes,
it is right to reject the idea of a Jewish Conspiracy,
it is right to speak the truth about the true nature of anti-zionism and
it is right to admit, that whole Israel belongs to the Jews.
But
I have visited the website of C. v. Hofmeister. and there are a lot of articles which are
rejecting our god,
praising Socialism and
discussing racial theories.
I don't think that Constantin von Hoffmeister has a way for Europe to offer, which Chaim and we could support without violating our conscience. :(
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They the same G-d less socialists but with nationalist/rasict quirk intead of being marxist interntionalists or pro Globalism/NWO "rightists"; just like leftist zionists were before they sold out Israel to Bush&Saudis. Someone with von before the name shud not asociate with this rubble; you know noblige oblige and all that. ;)