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A Jewish woman shouldn't be jogging.
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A Jewish woman shouldn't be jogging.
Huh? Why not?
Women are supposed to stay unhealthy fat blobs?
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Huh? Why not?
Women are supposed to stay unhealthy fat blobs?
Jewish (and Gentile) women are obligated to dress and act modestly.
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Jewish (and Gentile) women are obligated to dress and act modestly.
Here in Israel loads of religious ladies who are modestly dressed jog
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Here in Israel loads of religious ladies who are modestly dressed jog
I need not explain to an Orthodox Jew that a woman who jogs doesn't act modestly, regardless of her dress.
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I need not explain to an Orthodox Jew that a woman who jogs doesn't act modestly, regardless of her dress.
I get your jist
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Jewish (and Gentile) women are obligated to dress and act modestly.
Jogging is good for the health, the Torah encourages being healthy
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A Jewish woman shouldn't be jogging.
It depends on her chest size. If she is more endowed in said region, everything on the street stares. There are specific clothes that make this better. If it is to chase down and beat up a flasher, it is an exception, 1st kidush Hashem, 2nd attention isn't on her. We have gyms for women only where they can jog.
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It depends on her chest size. If she is more endowed in said region, everything on the street stares. There are specific clothes that make this better. If it is to chase down and beat up a flasher, it is an exception, 1st kidush Hashem, 2nd attention isn't on her. We have gyms for women only where they can jog.
Jogging is usually done outdoors. If a man exposed himself to her while she was jogging, she was attracting attention. Of course, women only gyms are exceptions.
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Jogging is good for the health, the Torah encourages being healthy
I doubt women jog outdoors for the health benefits. They jog to attract male attention.
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I doubt women jog outdoors for the health benefits. They jog to attract male attention.
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Sure they jog for health benefits.
It is also a good way to lose weight
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Sure they jog for health benefits.
It is also a good way to lose weight
And attracting male attention has nothing to do with it? You can argue that mixed dancing and mixed swimming is a good way to lose weight, too.
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And attracting male attention has nothing to do with it? You can argue that mixed dancing and mixed swimming is a good way to lose weight, too.
This is completely different & not in a mixed setting just jogging by herself instead of walking.
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This woman is SEXY!
When I saw her jogging, I got all HOT!
She's just asking for it.
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Jogging is usually done outdoors. If a man exposed himself to her while she was jogging, she was attracting attention. Of course, women only gyms are exceptions.
A woman jogging is not a justification to let it flop out. It is not her fault that he was publicly exposing himself. If you want to make a comparison, jogging can be done for a good reason, maybe she was running to do a mitzvah, whereas exposing yourself publicly is pretty hard to imagine as a good thing under any circumstance. There are clothes that allow any woman to jog outside and be modest. If there is a case where a non-Jewish woman is running outside and it is immodest, it is not really a crime for her, no lashes even, whereas for him it is an issue.
It is a mitzvah to take care of your health. Rambam considers physical exercise to be a fundamental mitzvah that the others are dependent upon, in a similar way to how the Alter Rebbe considers joy to be a precursor to other mitzvot.
In alot of Jewish communities, women don't get enough exercise because it's hard to find a place to do it, and they might not have the right clothes to do it, or they are uncomfortable in them. It is not ideal for girls to wear shorts and run around every religious area. Women in the day could go jog in the woods and were fine. This is another challenge of big city living, and the solution when it is found will be magnificent.
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A woman jogging is not a justification to let it flop out. It is not her fault that he was publicly exposing himself. If you want to make a comparison, jogging can be done for a good reason, maybe she was running to do a mitzvah, whereas exposing yourself publicly is pretty hard to imagine as a good thing under any circumstance. There are clothes that allow any woman to jog outside and be modest. If there is a case where a non-Jewish woman is running outside and it is immodest, it is not really a crime for her, no lashes even, whereas for him it is an issue.
It is a mitzvah to take care of your health. Rambam considers physical exercise to be a fundamental mitzvah that the others are dependent upon, in a similar way to how the Alter Rebbe considers joy to be a precursor to other mitzvot.
In alot of Jewish communities, women don't get enough exercise because it's hard to find a place to do it, and they might not have the right clothes to do it, or they are uncomfortable in them. It is not ideal for girls to wear shorts and run around every religious area. Women in the day could go jog in the woods and were fine. This is another challenge of big city living, and the solution when it is found will be magnificent.
I am glad you mentioned Rambam. Here is what he wrote in Ishut 13:11:
"It is uncouth for a woman always to leave home - this time to go out and another time to go on the street. Indeed, a husband should prevent a wife from doing this and not allow her to go out more than once or twice a month, as is necessary. For there is nothing more attractive for a woman than to sit in the corner of her home, as [implied by Psalms 45:14]: "All the glory of the king's daughter is within." https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/952887/jewish/Ishut-Chapter-Thirteen.htm
He should not have exposed himself and she should not have been jogging. By her action the woman was a partner in the sin.
HaShem punishes immodest Gentile women. Of course immodesty is a crime for them.
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Huh? Why not?
Women are supposed to stay unhealthy fat blobs?
I think our friend is referring to the dual floppies!!!!
That is his objection for modesty reasons!!!
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I think our friend is referring to the dual floppies!!!!
That is his objection for modesty reasons!!!
If my wife went jogging, I would whip her.
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If my wife went jogging, I would whip her.
I would consult with a qualified rav before ruling it out one way or another.
I assume your objection is to the dual floppies bouncing here,there & everywhere on some women.
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I would consult with a qualified rav before ruling it out one way or another.
I assume your objection is to the dual floppies bouncing here,there & everywhere on some women.
The dual floppies are part of the problem. Her behind bouncing up and down doesn't help.
I don't want my wife to go jogging. I know I am not allowed to say that in this day and age, but I have standards and expectations.
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The dual floppies are part of the problem. Her behind bouncing up and down doesn't help.
I don't want my wife to go jogging. I know I am not allowed to say that in this day and age, but I have standards and expectations.
Very admirable to have standards so few people do nowadays!!!!!
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I am glad you mentioned Rambam. Here is what he wrote in Ishut 13:11:
"It is uncouth for a woman always to leave home - this time to go out and another time to go on the street. Indeed, a husband should prevent a wife from doing this and not allow her to go out more than once or twice a month, as is necessary. For there is nothing more attractive for a woman than to sit in the corner of her home, as [implied by Psalms 45:14]: "All the glory of the king's daughter is within." https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/952887/jewish/Ishut-Chapter-Thirteen.htm
He should not have exposed himself and she should not have been jogging. By her action the woman was a partner in the sin.
HaShem punishes immodest Gentile women. Of course immodesty is a crime for them.
There are two separate things here. No indication he was exposing himself as a reaction to her jogging, or he would be exposing himself quite frequently. If you are living in a muslim country, leaving the house as a woman is a life risk at best, I would say Rambam is being lenient there. Today when both in a married couple have to work and she's not going to be kidnapped and forcibly "married" and left in a basement, this isn't enormously relevant. Besides, the tiny apartments people live in don't have enough stimulation for anyone, the woman will become a t.v. junkie or develop one of numerous psychological disorders from sitting in a house all day, like the one where you think everyone is in a conspiracy against you in the house (not psychosis) or agoraphobia.
Also, fat girls are considered attractive in Middle Eastern and African countries, means you don't have to work in the farm all day and you have food. I am uninterested in marrying them, as are most in the Western world, besides the fact that they die earlier and suffer more health problems, they have to exercise like normal people to increase their chances of marriage.
Gentiles are not required to follow the same levels of modesty as Jewish women are, sex crimes are crimes for them, immodesty leads to it and should be avoided. In extreme cases you are quite right.
If my wife went jogging, I would whip her.
This is a crime outside of muslim countries, so can't do that. She will have to agree with you for intellectual and spiritual reasons.
The sum here is, first to back up our Noachide friend, no one could imagine their rebetzin running around in a sweater, and on the other side, exercise is important and there are ways to do it in a kosher way.
Back to the article though, the girl kinda rocks for hunting the flasher down, we can talk about whether she is good or not after we deal with that.
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If my wife went jogging, I would whip her.
So, you own her?
Seriously where do get the idea? Are you saying that in jest? Or would you actually lay a hand on her?
Does she go to a doctor? Eventually we all get fat. Eventually her doctor will tell her jog or die of a heart attack from fat.
I'm middle age. I'm slightly overweight. my cholesterol is borderline. My doctor says: get some exercise. And being the cheapskate I am, I walk and jog. Hey, its free. What's cheaper than that?
And why are we blaming women? What about the predators? Are they innocent? Oh, they're just horny. Gotta put that thing somewhere.
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There are two separate things here. No indication he was exposing himself as a reaction to her jogging, or he would be exposing himself quite frequently. If you are living in a muslim country, leaving the house as a woman is a life risk at best, I would say Rambam is being lenient there. Today when both in a married couple have to work and she's not going to be kidnapped and forcibly "married" and left in a basement, this isn't enormously relevant. Besides, the tiny apartments people live in don't have enough stimulation for anyone, the woman will become a t.v. junkie or develop one of numerous psychological disorders from sitting in a house all day, like the one where you think everyone is in a conspiracy against you in the house (not psychosis) or agoraphobia.
Also, fat girls are considered attractive in Middle Eastern and African countries, means you don't have to work in the farm all day and you have food. I am uninterested in marrying them, as are most in the Western world, besides the fact that they die earlier and suffer more health problems, they have to exercise like normal people to increase their chances of marriage.
Gentiles are not required to follow the same levels of modesty as Jewish women are, sex crimes are crimes for them, immodesty leads to it and should be avoided. In extreme cases you are quite right.
This is a crime outside of muslim countries, so can't do that. She will have to agree with you for intellectual and spiritual reasons.
The sum here is, first to back up our Noachide friend, no one could imagine their rebetzin running around in a sweater, and on the other side, exercise is important and there are ways to do it in a kosher way.
Back to the article though, the girl kinda rocks for hunting the flasher down, we can talk about whether she is good or not after we deal with that.
Bro, he saw the woman jogging and exposed himself to her. What more indication do you want?
If Rambam wrote it, it is enormously relevant. There is no Torah source that a wife has to work outside the house. Following ways of modesty is a positive aspect of the Noahide prohibition of forbidden relations. Yes, it is forbidden to hit her, but it is allowed to divorce her.
I agree there are kosher ways to exercise.
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So, you own her?
Seriously where do get the idea? Are you saying that in jest? Or would you actually lay a hand on her?
Does she go to a doctor? Eventually we all get fat. Eventually her doctor will tell her jog or die of a heart attack from fat.
I'm middle age. I'm slightly overweight. my cholesterol is borderline. My doctor says: get some exercise. And being the cheapskate I am, I walk and jog. Hey, its free. What's cheaper than that?
And why are we blaming women? What about the predators? Are they innocent? Oh, they're just horny. Gotta put that thing somewhere.
I don't own her. HaShem does. Where do I get my ideas? The Torah of Moses. I wouldn't actually whip her. Unless she is into that kind of stuff.
She and I would have the same doctor: HaShem. He won't tell her to jog.
We are blaming immodest women because immodest women deserve to be blamed. Immodest men are not innocent.
Next question?
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I don't own her. HaShem does. Where do I get my ideas? The Torah of Moses. I wouldn't actually whip her. Unless she is into that kind of stuff.
She and I would have the same doctor: HaShem. He won't tell her to jog.
We are blaming immodest women because immodest women deserve to be blamed. Immodest men are not innocent.
Next question?
There are ways to jog that aren't in the public, and even if the public is all you have, there are types of clothes that make it not immodest, though most are quite cumbersome and women don't really want to work out in them because you sweat and it inhibits some movements. Innovation in that area is a nice mitzvah.
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I don't own her. HaShem does. Where do I get my ideas? The Torah of Moses. I wouldn't actually whip her. Unless she is into that kind of stuff.
She and I would have the same doctor: HaShem. He won't tell her to jog.
We are blaming immodest women because immodest women deserve to be blamed. Immodest men are not innocent.
Next question?
Thanks. I do appreciate your input. You may not think so, but I do.
Your answers are stiff/strict but I like you better than the commie/libtard/lefty Jews. I'll take your stiff ass over sleazy commie porno Jews any day.
Now, back to the original topic. Who would be the immodest man/men? The guy who exposed himself?
If so, then I have to disagree with you. Because he is beyond immodest. He is a potential criminal. He should get a good neck stretching.
Next:
If a doctor says woman, go and jog. And the woman insists on jogging in the park. You fight with her for 100 days. You are forced to compromise. How would you dress her?
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Thanks. I do appreciate your input. You may not think so, but I do.
Your answers are stiff/strict but I like you better than the commie/libtard/lefty Jews. I'll take your stiff ass over sleazy commie porno Jews any day.
Now, back to the original topic. Who would be the immodest man/men? The guy who exposed himself?
If so, then I have to disagree with you. Because he is beyond immodest. He is a potential criminal. He should get a good neck stretching.
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If a doctor says woman, go and jog. And the woman insists on jogging in the park. You fight with her for 100 days. You are forced to compromise. How would you dress her?
According to Torah Law, if a man cannot or will not be restrained from criminally forcing himself sexually upon other people, it is permissible for the court to order him to be castrated.
The Torah standard for modest clothes is to cover her whole torso until her collarbone, her legs until her knees, and her arms until the elbow. Likewise, it is proper that a married woman cover her hair when outside her house or in the presence of men other than her husband.
I hope this helps.
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According to Torah Law, if a man cannot or will not be restrained from criminally forcing himself sexually upon other people, it is permissible for the court to order him to be castrated.
The Torah standard for modest clothes is to cover her whole torso until her collarbone, her legs until her knees, and her arms until the elbow. Likewise, it is proper that a married woman cover her hair when outside her house or in the presence of men other than her husband.
I hope this helps.
We have a chemical way for pedos but whatever same end.
Those are all correct, however the issue here is running in the presence of men, it's a little less straight forward, in normal clothes it is not really allowed for many women, for some women it's not an issue, and women can wear clothes that make it ok, these are cumbersome so we have gyms for them.
It seems absurd to make such laws for people used to seeing half-naked people all day. If you live in a place where restrain your eyes doesn't mean to continually stare at the ground, such a thing affects you enormously. The results of exposure to constant sexual immodesty begin at foul language and go through judging people solely on their looks, dehumanizing them and worse. In a Jewish society where we're trying to make something perfect, it makes sense, in a society where it's everyone, selective application of halacha leads to abuses.
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This?
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If you replace the ninja hood with like the Jewish thing or like a wig with a little head band thing that girls wear, yeah basically. It's sorta like stiff clothes.
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This?
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For it be good for a religious Jewish woman it would need a skirt also
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This?
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That's excellent.
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That's excellent.
Huh? What? Really? That is acceptable to you? You can still see her boobies.
So she can jog in public like that?
You wont require her to put on three sweaters, 2 sweat pants, a scarf, boxing gloves, a hockey mask, polarized sun glasses and a trench coat?
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If you replace the ninja hood with like the Jewish thing or like a wig with a little head band thing that girls wear, yeah basically. It's sorta like stiff clothes.
No wig. Too much wind drag.
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Huh? What? Really? That is acceptable to you? You can still see her boobies.
So she can jog in public like that?
You wont require her to put on three sweaters, 2 sweat pants, a scarf, boxing gloves, a hockey mask, polarized sun glasses and a trench coat?
The dress is acceptable, not her jogging. If she jogs in public, there is always the possibility that a man will see her.
It amuses me that I am seen as the extremist on JTF. It is a compliment.
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No wig. Too much wind drag.
The headband thing keeps the hair from going with the breeze.
The dress is acceptable, not her jogging. If she jogs in public, there is always the possibility that a man will see her.
It amuses me that I am seen as the extremist on JTF. It is a compliment.
This is an issue where there is a right and a wrong. Extreme and not extreme is when there is a matter of opinion.
For it be good for a religious Jewish woman it would need a skirt also
Right this is cross-dressing.
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Now can she jog?
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Now can she jog?
Thats too much. Basically what the muslim girl has with a dress thing.
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I doubt women jog outdoors for the health benefits. They jog to attract male attention.
Ridiculous comment.
This, plus your other comment If a man exposed himself to her while she was jogging, she was attracting attention.
makes you sound like a rapist.
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The dual floppies are part of the problem. Her behind bouncing up and down doesn't help.
I don't want my wife to go jogging. I know I am not allowed to say that in this day and age, but I have standards and expectations.
Make sure you let her know about this before she decides whether to marry you. You don't have to allow her jogging, and she also doesn't have to choose to marry you, so...
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Make sure you let her know about this before she decides whether to marry you. You don't have to allow her jogging, and she also doesn't have to choose to marry you, so...
Why do you think I would want to marry an immodest woman? Are you even religious?
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Ridiculous comment.
This, plus your other comment makes you sound like a rapist.
It's not ridiculous to me. Calling me names is an amazing argument.
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I like the fact that she has the nerve to fight back.
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Why do you think I would want to marry an immodest woman? Are you even religious?
Noahides have lower standards than Jews. Noahides can do things that are considered immodest for Jews. You seem to be more strict than Jews.
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Why do you think I would want to marry an immodest woman? Are you even religious?
You decided unilaterally that jogging is immodest. If you must know about me, I follow a religion called Judaism. It is not run by you, last I checked.
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First off, being outdoors is healthy. People need sunlight to help their bodies absorb vitamin D. There are also modest workout clothes. I've seen religious Jewish women wearing them near where I live.
As a woman I think I can tell when some women try to get around the modesty laws. For example, I've seen women with their elbows, knees and collarbones covered while wearing long skirts.. But sometimes their oufits are so tight that you can see every single bulge and curve in their torsos.
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Noahides have lower standards than Jews. Noahides can do things that are considered immodest for Jews. You seem to be more strict than Jews.
As a Noahide it is my opinion that running around half naked, like the Israeli woman did, is immodest.
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You decided unilaterally that jogging is immodest. If you must know about me, I follow a religion called Judaism. It is not run by you, last I checked.
Whatever man. You attack me because I advocate modesty? I expected better from a Kahanist Jew.
Speaking of Judaism, how often did the Matriarchs of the Jewish nation go jogging? How often did Rabbi Kahane's wife go jogging? Let me know.
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First off, being outdoors is healthy. People need sunlight to help their bodies absorb vitamin D. There are also modest workout clothes. I've seen religious Jewish women wearing them near where I live.
As a woman I think I can tell when some women try to get around the modesty laws. For example, I've seen women with their elbows, knees and collarbones covered while wearing long skirts.. But sometimes their oufits are so tight that you can see every single bulge and curve in their torsos.
In the Gentile world, the world I know and live in, I have never seen a woman jogger dressed modestly. And again, I don't see how a woman's body parts bouncing up and down can be modest. But that's just me.
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In the Gentile world, the world I know and live in, I have never seen a woman jogger dressed modestly. And again, I don't see how a woman's body parts bouncing up and down can be modest. But that's just me.
The dual floppies bouncing here,there & everywhere is problematic but I would imagine that solutions to make sure that doesn't happen by wearing certain types of brassieres that would prevent that.
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Here is a woman putting on her modesty space suit.
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In the Gentile world, the world I know and live in, I have never seen a woman jogger dressed modestly.
That's not our problem.
And again, I don't see how a woman's body parts bouncing up and down can be modest. But that's just me.
Also not our problem.
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That's not our problem.
Also not our problem.
You don't like me much, do you? That's fine. The feeling is mutual.
I asked you two questions. Would you mind answering them?
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You don't like me much, do you? That's fine. The feeling is mutual.
I don't know you at all, so I don't dislike you.
I disagree with a few of your comments here and expressed my disagreement accordingly. You're just getting in your feelings over it.
I asked you two questions. Would you mind answering them?
What questions did you ask me?
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I don't know you at all, so I don't dislike you.
I disagree with a few of your comments here and expressed my disagreement accordingly. You're just getting in your feelings over it.
What questions did you ask me?
I see. Calling me a rapist and saying my comments are ridiculous is just emotionless academic discourse. Right.
Allow me to refresh your memory: "Speaking of Judaism, how often did the Matriarchs of the Jewish nation go jogging? How often did Rabbi Kahane's wife go jogging? Let me know."
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I see. Calling me a rapist and saying my comments are ridiculous is just emotionless academic discourse. Right.
What I said was that your two comments made you sound like one. They did.
Allow me to refresh your memory: "Speaking of Judaism, how often did the Matriarchs of the Jewish nation go jogging? How often did Rabbi Kahane's wife go jogging? Let me know."
I don't know if exercise for the purpose of health existed in the times of the matriarchs. But they did apparently carry water from wells which was very strenuous although work/function related rather than specifically for health purposes beyond drinking water and keeping the animals alive.
Today we know that regular exercise can combat heart disease and depression in probably the most impactful way out of all things we can do. Regrettably many Jewish women are not athletic, likewise with Jewish men. But it could save a lot of heartache, figuratively and literally, if we all exercised more.
I can't speak to Rebetzin Kahane's personal hobbies, but it's not relevant to the question of what does Jewish law say and what do the qualified rabbanim who understand Jewish law thoroughly say on this issue.
You appear to want to speak on behalf of Judaism with these 2 random quips of yours, but I'm afraid a "gotcha" comment like this doesn't make you the authority you think you are.
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What I said was that your two comments made you sound like one. They did.
I don't know if exercise for the purpose of health existed in the times of the matriarchs. But they did apparently carry water from wells which was very strenuous although work/function related rather than specifically for health purposes beyond drinking water and keeping the animals alive.
Today we know that regular exercise can combat heart disease and depression in probably the most impactful way out of all things we can do. Regrettably many Jewish women are not athletic, likewise with Jewish men. But it could save a lot of heartache, figuratively and literally, if we all exercised more.
I can't speak to Rebetzin Kahane's personal hobbies, but it's not relevant to the question of what does Jewish law say and what do the qualified rabbanim who understand Jewish law thoroughly say on this issue.
You appear to want to speak on behalf of Judaism with these 2 random quips of yours, but I'm afraid a "gotcha" comment like this doesn't make you the authority you think you are.
The fact that neither the matriarchs nor Rebetzin Kahane jogged does suggest that it is immodest. I speak with some authority, because I am a Torah scholar in the area of the Seven Noahide Commandments.
Thanks for answering my questions. I appreciate your sincerity. I don't have the time to listen to personal attacks, which is why I will reduce my activity on JTF.
Good luck.
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The fact that neither the matriarchs nor Rebetzin Kahane jogged does suggest that it is immodest.
This is exactly NOT how halacha works.
I speak with some authority, because I am a Torah scholar in the area of the Seven Noahide Commandments.
I'm sorry but that does NOT make you an authority on Jewish law to tell Jews what they should or should not do, or to denigrate those who act in ways you don't approve personally.
Authority on Jewish law requires in depth Talmudic study along with all relevant past halachic sources. (aside from the issue of semicha).
Thanks for answering my questions. I appreciate your sincerity. I don't have the time to listen to personal attacks, which is why I will reduce my activity on JTF.
You shouldn't dish it out if you can't take it. You can spend as much time as you want on JTF and that decision has nothing to do with me.
I will always give my two cents if I think someone is misrepresenting Judaism, however.
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As for what I said about your comments and why I said it "makes you sound like a rapist"
Well, what else do you think it would sound like when you write comments defending a sexual deviant's assault on a female jogger? That is literally what you did in this thread. You defended a sexual deviant on grounds along the lines of "she was asking for it"
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Here is a woman putting on her modesty space suit.
It's not that lol. It looks like this (https://s2.r29static.com//bin/entry/84b/620x414,80/1732609/image.jpg)
The fact that neither the matriarchs nor Rebetzin Kahane jogged does suggest that it is immodest. I speak with some authority, because I am a Torah scholar in the area of the Seven Noahide Commandments.
Thanks for answering my questions. I appreciate your sincerity. I don't have the time to listen to personal attacks, which is why I will reduce my activity on JTF.
Good luck.
Whatever one guy says something so you say you're going. Here's an article supporting your position https://www.ohelsara.com/cm-faq-question/can-a-woman-be-modest-while-jogging/
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It's not that lol. It looks like this (https://s2.r29static.com//bin/entry/84b/620x414,80/1732609/image.jpg)
Whatever one guy says something so you say you're going. Here's an article supporting your position https://www.ohelsara.com/cm-faq-question/can-a-woman-be-modest-while-jogging/
Whoa she's hot. And now I'm getting all hot. I better take off my jogging space suit.
Good thing not everyone is a hot head.
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Whoa she's hot. And now I'm getting all hot. I better take off my jogging space suit.
Good thing not everyone is a hot head.
It's modest it's a stiff material that keeps everything in place
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I was thinking about this topic alot in the last few days. I posted an article where the Rebbetzin says no don't jog it's bad to leave the house in the first place, and I realized that's a very misnagdish position. Back in the day also many guys would daven for six hours a day and study Torah the rest of the time. That was wonderful. It's not the avodah today. The Rebbe gave a maymaar over where he said that, and that it was wonderful for them, but our avodah is not involved in being seperate from the world, it's to elevate the world. As good as it was to stay home and away from the impurities of the world back then, it's our job to be in the world and elevate it today. Women jogging in public while being completely modest is just as hard of a challenge as staying out of society, and when Moshiach comes, G-d willing now, we're going to be out in the world with no evil inclination. We have to be doing things that were not considered pious for previous generations in completely pious and kosher ways.
Jogging is one such example, we can elevate it to be something that brings women closer to Hashem instead of away.
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Glad I'm not a jew.
Well, I'll go run around naked like a good goy.
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Glad I'm not a jew.
Well, I'll go run around naked like a good goy.
Wtv i like it
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Wtv i like it
really? you want to see me naked? ok. hop in.
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really? you want to see me naked? ok. hop in.
Lol I like Judaism. Naked guys are like the worst thing for me to see. A thousand dead skunks, a field of rotting stuff, anything is preferable. I do private mikveh just because of that.