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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ulli on February 20, 2020, 08:01:21 AM
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The stories in the media become more and more bizarre everyday.
Mikaela Spielberg told her parents, that she want to become a "porno-star" via facetime. They reacted "in no way angry" but "fascinated". Now they want to support their daughter in her new carrier.
Could anybody make such a story up? :o
https://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/leute/leute/steven-spielbergs-tochter-mikaela-wird-porno-star-eltern-sind-fasziniert-68911478.bild.html (https://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/leute/leute/steven-spielbergs-tochter-mikaela-wird-porno-star-eltern-sind-fasziniert-68911478.bild.html)
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There's endless advertising to be a camera whore today. All the kids news sites especially have story after story of people saying how great it is and how it's just like anything else.
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There's endless advertising to be a camera whore today. All the kids news sites especially have story after story of people saying how great it is and how it's just like anything else.
But most people who do things like this get destroyed. I read frequently about alcohol- and drug addictions as well as about many suicides in this circles. It is seriously hell.
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But most people who do things like this get destroyed. I read frequently about alcohol- and drug addictions as well as about many suicides in this circles. It is seriously hell.
Yep. You never get the after interviews, just interviews of people starting in the industry. First the tolerant left says they're wonderful porn stars we care about everything they say, then they say they're washed up old whores, who cares what they say.
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Yep. You never get the after interviews, just interviews of people starting in the industry. First the tolerant left says they're wonderful porn stars we care about everything they say, then they say they're washed up old whores, who cares what they say.
This is 100% true. You hit exactly the point.
My theory is, that leftism is basically a crazy cult, where you have to bring sacrifices in order to reassure the other bolschewiks of your "righteousness" as well as to get rid of own guilt.
I always wondered how far they will go. As the Merkel gouvernment let unchecked everybody immigrate to Germany, I realized there is no limit, like in the cult of Baal.
I have nothing against immigration to Germany, but to let everybody in unchecked, believe everything what the migrants tell and then be quiet about the bodies was really a point of awakening. I realized this becomes murderous.
So this Greta Thunberg people simply want to change the economy. How many people will die of starvation, if you get rid of industrial agriculture?
Spielberg's behaviour fits exactly in this pattern.
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She's adopted. And says she's a polytheist.
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She's adopted. And says she's a polytheist.
This makes in my eyes no difference. You have to raise an adopted child like it is your own. I think in the education something went horrible wrong if she claims to be a polytheist and is now on this wicked way.
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She's on the cover of "Anthropology Now" magazine.
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This makes in my eyes no difference. You have to raise an adopted child like it is your own. I think in the education something went horrible wrong if she claims to be a polytheist and is now on this wicked way.
I'm saying that. Wouldn't want a hollyweird perv adopting any of my friends' kids.
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A woman who causes others to sin belongs in the darkest pit of hell.
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A woman who causes others to sin belongs in the darkest pit of hell.
Well hell is a higher world where you go to get clean for heaven. There's one little section people never get out of, but that's for people like Hitler YS"V. She definitely can earn a billion sins walking down the street, but you don't know what you're saying, that's really harsh for a moron who is brainwashed by society. How much do her adoptive parents earn of her sins for not raising her correctly?
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Well hell is a higher world where you go to get clean for heaven. There's one little section people never get out of, but that's for people like Hitler YS"V. She definitely can earn a billion sins walking down the street, but you don't know what you're saying, that's really harsh for a moron who is brainwashed by society. How much do her adoptive parents earn of her sins for not raising her correctly?
Please. Rabbi Reuven said the stupidest woman in the world knows what modesty is. If her parents are happy she is a porn actress, they will fry in hell, too.
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She's a mulatto & adopted notice that neither Spielberg nor his wife are schvartzers!!!!
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Please. Rabbi Reuven said the stupidest woman in the world knows what modesty is. This is the second time I hear you excusing disgusting female behavior. If her parents are happy she is a porn actress, they will fry in hell, too.
Yes, and that they make a billion sins from every guy that sees them as they walk down the street. The Jewish concept of hell is not Hades like goyim have. It's a higher world you're lucky to get to. You have sins that need washing, but there's enough of you left after to deserve to enjoy eternity What does it benefit Hashem to torture most of humanity forever? He sets you up to sin, you're supposed to win, but if you fail, this life is the end for you, no resurrection, you wasted your little test here, no eternity, no heaven, no world to come. This world doesn't matter much of itself, it's about what you learn and the person you become when you do what you do. Her father is a Jew that doesn't keep shabbos, don't need to talk about the rest, right there this life is the end for him.
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Furthermore, she's 100% a goy. Rabbi Mizrachi says Jews are obligated on modesty, we are, non-Jews are obligated simply not to make sex crimes. You guys all started copying Jewish modesty since after the dark ages until about 100 years ago because of the massive social improvements it brings, but it's a level of peity for non-Jews, it's not a law like for us. She is making sex crimes as a porno person, obv, but walking down the street in a an immodest dress or tight pants aren't part of the 7.
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Man her speech on it is a parade of calling evil good:
https://globalnews.ca/news/6573230/mikaela-spielberg-sex-worker/
" “I also just got tired of working day to day in a way that wasn’t satisfying my soul.
“I feel like doing this kind of work, I’m able to ‘satisfy’ other people, but that feels good because it’s not in a way that makes me feel violated.”"
This is like the worst thing spiritually, and the literal definition of violated.
"“I’m doing this because I want to honour my body in a way that’s lucrative."
You couldn't dishonor your body more.
"“I actually think that once they see how far I’ve come from the bottom I was at a year and a half ago, they’re going to look at this and go, ‘Wow, we actually raised a really self-assured young lady.”
This is the bottom. No one becomes any type of whore because they're self-assured.
"“My main hope is just that I get somewhere lucrative enough to where I’m not tied down financially by things,” Spielberg said to the publication. “Then I can really start saying to people there’s nothing wrong with me using my body in a way that feels comfortable to support myself."
So clearly not self-assured financially or in regards to how she relates to how others feel about her. She hopes being a whore will change that. Poor deluded fool.
"“This is a positive, empowering choice,” she said. “I realized there is no shame in having a fascination with this industry and wanting to do something that is safe, sane, consensual.”"
Nothing is more empowering than... having sex with many men only in a way that lonely men will get off to... there's shame in even saying what you said, not to mention being a whore for the world to see.
"Spielberg is engaged to former professional dart player Chuck Pankow, 47."
So she's cheating on her husband at work... for work. Ouch. Either he's totally emasculated or a total sleaze. Considering she's 22... my vote is for sleaze.
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Furthermore, she's 100% a goy. Rabbi Mizrachi says Jews are obligated on modesty, we are, non-Jews are obligated simply not to make sex crimes. You guys all started copying Jewish modesty since after the dark ages until about 100 years ago because of the massive social improvements it brings, but it's a level of peity for non-Jews, it's not a law like for us. She is making sex crimes as a porno person, obv, but walking down the street in a an immodest dress or tight pants aren't part of the 7.
See Pirkei D'Rabbi Eliezer ch. 22 and Targum Yonatan Genesis 6:2: "The women of the Generation of the Flood used to walk around revealed below their waist." If modesty is not part of the 7 laws, what exactly did those women do wrong and why were they punished by the Flood?
Obviously the positive aspects of the Noahide commandments were latent in the negative prohibitions. One of the inferred positive aspects is to follow ways of modesty, based on the Oral Torah rule "from the negative, one can infer the positive."
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Israel Chai, I respect you. I really do. But you are woefully mistaken about the 7 laws. See Pirkei D'Rabbi Eliezer ch. 22 and Targum Yonatan Genesis 6:2: "The women of the Generation of the Flood used to walk around revealed below their waist." If modesty is not part of the 7 laws, what exactly did those women do wrong and why were they punished by the Flood?
Obviously the positive aspects of the Noahide commandments were latent in the negative prohibitions. One of the inferred positive aspects is to follow ways of modesty, based on the Oral Torah rule "from the negative, one can infer the positive."
Sexual organs must be covered. They can wear bikinis on the beach and follow the seven laws of Noah and that's fine. There is a basic level of modesty that must be followed as observed from Adam and Hava covering their sexual organs with animal skins, but those were probably not far from bikinis.
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Sexual organs must be covered. They can wear bikinis on the beach and follow the seven laws of Noah and that's fine. There is a basic level of modesty that must be followed as observed from Adam and Hava covering their sexual organs with animal skins, but those were probably not far from bikinis.
Rabbi Weiner says a Gentile woman should cover her whole torso until her collarbone, her legs until her knees, and her arms until the elbow. Bikinis are certainly not fine.
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Rabbi Weiner says a Gentile woman should cover her whole torso until her collarbone, her legs until her knees, and her arms until the elbow. Bikinis are certainly not fine. There are areas where the Torah Law for Gentiles is more lenient, but modesty is not one of them. I'm sorry you don't understand that.
That is the ideal, but it is not required. Bring it up with Rabbi Mizrachi if you disagree.
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In other words, what my rabbi teaches is too strict and I should follow a more lenient opinion. I believe that's called rabbi shopping. I'm not into that.
No you can believe what he tells you. Probably should. If you have a problem with me holding to my Rabbi's opinion, you can call and complain.
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No you can believe what he tells you. Probably should. If you have a problem with me holding to my Rabbi's opinion, you can call and complain.
If it turns out the stricter opinion was correct all along, I'm not the one who will be in trouble with Hashem.
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I am too depressed and battle-worn for that. If it turns out the stricter opinion was correct all along, I'm not the one who will be in trouble with Hashem.
It's like a three sec email, "dude says they can dress like this but mine says they can dress like that, no?". It's not your job to dress the non-Jewish women of the world, and therefore you have nothing to lose either way. Maybe find lines other than cursing immodest women to an eternity with Hitler YS"V and "disgusting female behavior" (like you including animals and little girls in there?) when speaking about beautiful modesty laws that ensure societal freedom and it'll endear you more to the particular sex of human that is excellent for curing depression.
The girls I talk to range from not feminist to anti, but if I presented things like you do they wouldn't like me.
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Sexual organs must be covered. They can wear bikinis on the beach and follow the seven laws of Noah and that's fine. There is a basic level of modesty that must be followed as observed from Adam and Hava covering their sexual organs with animal skins, but those were probably not far from bikinis.
Yeh but Um if a man sees this and it leads to him sinning, that woman shares the responsibility to his sin whether she was a Jew or non Jew.
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No you can believe what he tells you. Probably should. If you have a problem with me holding to my Rabbi's opinion, you can call and complain.
There is a concept that if a man gets off by staring at a modest woman’s pinky, he is wicked.
Needless to say staring at her in a bikini and thinking it’s good enough, you don’t benefit from anything holy and nor will that gentile woman.
What benefit is wearing black at night and walking in the middle of the street? It might be legal but a car will hit you. The same applies to modesty of a gentile and needless to say a Jew
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It's like a three sec email, "dude says they can dress like this but mine says they can dress like that, no?". It's not your job to dress the non-Jewish women of the world, and therefore you have nothing to lose either way. Maybe find lines other than cursing immodest women to an eternity with Hitler YS"V and "disgusting female behavior" (like you including animals and little girls in there?) when speaking about beautiful modesty laws that ensure societal freedom and it'll endear you more to the particular sex of human that is excellent for curing depression.
The girls I talk to range from not feminist to anti, but if I presented things like you do they wouldn't like me.
What do you mean it's not my job to dress the non-Jewish women? The Noahide Laws are supposed to be the law of the land in Gentile countries. If a woman causes others to sin, I am obligated to compel her to act in the correct way.
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It seems like a cry for help of a damaged person. She also alludes to having been sexually abused by people who are not from her family. Her rich family should have better protected her and now instead of supporting this they should seek to help her.
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There is a concept that if a man gets off by staring at a modest woman’s pinky, he is wicked.
Needless to say staring at her in a bikini and thinking it’s good enough, you don’t benefit from anything holy and nor will that gentile woman.
What benefit is wearing black at night and walking in the middle of the street? It might be legal but a car will hit you. The same applies to modesty of a gentile and needless to say a Jew
They weren't commanded to be holy. They were commanded to keep from several sins. It does not benefit anyone that they wear bikinis, but if a society is filled with it, people don't pay special attention.
What do you mean it's not my job to dress the non-Jewish women? The Noahide Laws are supposed to be the law of the land in Gentile countries. If a woman causes others to sin, I am obligated to compel her to act in the correct way. If I am endearing or likable is irrelevant.
Even if it was your job, you aren't even supposed to tell people to do something you're certain they won't listen to, except in the case of extreme sins. It isn't however your job to run around the beach and scream, "no!". You raise your family as you see fit. Being endearing or likable is quite relevant to having anyone that will listen to you. Abraham only convinced the world to do anything because he was the epitome of kindness. Not exactly the vibe you're dropping here bro.
It seems like a cry for help of a damaged person. She also alludes to having been sexually abused by people who are not from her family. Her rich family should have better protected her and now instead of supporting this they should seek to help her.
Agreed. Also look at how she says she can't be financially dependent on them. They won't give you a couple bucks to start a business you can pay them back for? I know people that if you ask for a lifted finger from them demand all your dignity in return, you'd rather screw strangers on a camera than have to eat a walnut off their table.
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Even if it was your job, you aren't even supposed to tell people to do something you're certain they won't listen to, except in the case of extreme sins. It isn't however your job to run around the beach and scream, "no!". You raise your family as you see fit. Being endearing or likable is quite relevant to having anyone that will listen to you. Abraham only convinced the world to do anything because he was the epitome of kindness. Not exactly the vibe you're dropping here bro.
Abraham's exceptional kindness was a temporary counterbalance to the attraction and temptation of the general idolatrous culture.
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They weren't commanded to be holy. They were commanded to keep from several sins. It does not benefit anyone that they wear bikinis, but if a society is filled with it, people don't pay special attention.
Even if it was your job, you aren't even supposed to tell people to do something you're certain they won't listen to, except in the case of extreme sins. It isn't however your job to run around the beach and scream, "no!". You raise your family as you see fit. Being endearing or likable is quite relevant to having anyone that will listen to you. Abraham only convinced the world to do anything because he was the epitome of kindness. Not exactly the vibe you're dropping here bro.
Agreed. Also look at how she says she can't be financially dependent on them. They won't give you a couple bucks to start a business you can pay them back for? I know people that if you ask for a lifted finger from them demand all your dignity in return, you'd rather screw strangers on a camera than have to eat a walnut off their table.
If a man makes a sin because he saw a scantly dressed gentile woman, she’s not also responsible for his sin?
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Why is this important and a topic on this site?
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Why is this important and a topic on this site?
Because it’s a Jewish site and the whole religion matters and not just eretz yisrael
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You keep telling me what I'm supposed to do, yet to you the Noahide Laws are no more than an academic curiosity. They are my life. Is it conceivable that I have a better understanding of my own laws and obligations than you?
In fact, Abraham's success in teaching the world about the Seven Noahide Commandments was only temporary. Most of his students returned to idolatry. Probably because he was too soft.
You're going to have to divorce the conceptual from the personal when analyzing what I say. It is as you have said, an academic curiosity. As such, you should view my opinions as me trying to understand what is right, not making declarations for your life. You may very well know more about the laws of Noah than I. It's likely, I put very little effort into it and you put alot. Regardless, I say what I know, you can disagree and say what you do, and regardless of anything that's said here you should continue to follow your Rabbi, you don't answer to me and every Jew on the street.
Abraham's softness caused other things, like Ishmael. In that case, and still today, there are little fences around the Noachide laws, and so the children weren't likely to keep it, and in a few generations it was all gone. Following Jewish modesty, if it isn't required, may well be an excellent fence. I heard from Rabbi Mizrachi it's not required. Don't move to Florida and wear exclusively green hats because I said that, I'm not your dad.
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Yeh but Um if a man sees this and it leads to him sinning, that woman shares the responsibility to his sin whether she was a Jew or non Jew.
If a man sees a woman's finger and takes pleasure, it's on him. For a Jewish woman modesty is required, Jews have laws that we also can't make sins in our minds. I am not aware of any way a Noachide can violate the law in his mind. It certainly leads to sin, but most of the men in the world think of virtually nothing else, it's not a pious thing but they aren't condemned for it, if I understand correctly.
If a man makes a sin because he saw a scantly dressed gentile woman, she’s not also responsible for his sin?
For a Jew. For a gentile, who says he can't think immodestly? If he rapes her now because she was scantily clad, pretty sure that's on him now too. She definitely gets a share in him becoming a more depraved individual, but what exactly does that violate in the Noachide laws?
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Because it’s a Jewish site and the whole religion matters and not just eretz yisrael
Yeah but Spielberg's adopted daughter is a mulatto & not Jewish!!!!
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Yeah but Spielberg's adopted daughter is a mulatto & not Jewish!!!!
Yeah we don't really care about any of them, we're just using this to discuss halachic concepts. It's a mitzvah.
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Rabbi Mizrachi speaks about woman modesty. It starts from 11:32. This is his newest lecture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ba2Ru_4mT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ba2Ru_4mT0)
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You're going to have to divorce the conceptual from the personal when analyzing what I say. It is as you have said, an academic curiosity. As such, you should view my opinions as me trying to understand what is right, not making declarations for your life. You may very well know more about the laws of Noah than I. It's likely, I put very little effort into it and you put alot. Regardless, I say what I know, you can disagree and say what you do, and regardless of anything that's said here you should continue to follow your Rabbi, you don't answer to me and every Jew on the street.
Abraham's softness caused other things, like Ishmael. In that case, and still today, there are little fences around the Noachide laws, and so the children weren't likely to keep it, and in a few generations it was all gone. Following Jewish modesty, if it isn't required, may well be an excellent fence. I heard from Rabbi Mizrachi it's not required. Don't move to Florida and wear exclusively green hats because I said that, I'm not your dad.
For a gentile, who says he can't think immodestly? If he rapes her now because she was scantily clad, pretty sure that's on him now too. She definitely gets a share in him becoming a more depraved individual, but what exactly does that violate in the Noachide laws?
Immodest thoughts and immodest behavior violate the Noahide positive obligation to follow ways of modesty.
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Because it’s a Jewish site and the whole religion matters and not just eretz yisrael
Thank you.
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If a man sees a woman's finger and takes pleasure, it's on him. For a Jewish woman modesty is required, Jews have laws that we also can't make sins in our minds. I am not aware of any way a Noachide can violate the law in his mind. It certainly leads to sin, but most of the men in the world think of virtually nothing else, it's not a pious thing but they aren't condemned for it, if I understand correctly.
For a Jew. For a gentile, who says he can't think immodestly? If he rapes her now because she was scantily clad, pretty sure that's on him now too. She definitely gets a share in him becoming a more depraved individual, but what exactly does that violate in the Noachide laws?
Here I’ll put it to you this way. Men are wired differently than women. Jewish men and gentile similar. A normal man as an animal desires mating or looking at different women. But because we were made in God’s image, we should strive to be holy. That’s both Jews and gentiles. In this regard, what is holy for a man to do? Avoid being in situations that will lead to that normal animal side. That’s for both Jewish and gentile men.
Women by Jewish law required to be modest. Not sure what the rules are for gentile women. But in Moab and philistine and Egypt, they were not modest and it led to lots of problems. So perhaps if not required by gentile women to be modest (and it’s a mistake if she chooses not to be), all men must be careful because it can lead to wasting seed which is not permitted under Jewish law and possibly by Noahide law.
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Yeah we don't really care about any of them, we're just using this to discuss halachic concepts. It's a mitzvah.
Yes!!
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Rabbi Mizrachi speaks about woman modesty. It starts from 11:32. This is his newest lecture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ba2Ru_4mT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ba2Ru_4mT0)
It’s not on TorahAnytime yet.
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Here I’ll put it to you this way. Men are wired differently than women. Jewish men and gentile similar. A normal man as an animal desires mating or looking at different women. But because we were made in God’s image, we should strive to be holy. That’s both Jews and gentiles. In this regard, what is holy for a man to do? Avoid being in situations that will lead to that normal animal side. That’s for both Jewish and gentile men.
Women by Jewish law required to be modest. Not sure what the rules are for gentile women. But in Moab and philistine and Egypt, they were not modest and it led to lots of problems. So perhaps if not required by gentile women to be modest (and it’s a mistake if she chooses not to be), all men must be careful because it can lead to wasting seed which is not permitted under Jewish law and possibly by Noahide law.
I know from before the flood, it says the ground was soggy with the endless wasted seed of men and the world was destroyed in part for that. Even though the decree to destroy the world wasn't signed until they signed marriage contracts for men and men and humans and animals, we can infer that it is forbidden. Rabbi Mizrachi's new talmid speaker Reuven says that some scientist proved it was murder in a recent lecture, didn't watch it though, I already know anyways.
If we're discussing piety, sure there are tons of things for Jews and non-Jews you can do, but it's not required to be a chassid, I'm just trying to figure out what the basic law here is.
I don't care what you say when it comes to my personal practical observance, but I fear you are spreading an unacceptably permissive standard.
Immodest thoughts and immodest behavior violate the Noahide positive obligation to follow ways of modesty. I'm not sure if I can give a more specific answer.
When you were all like "don't tell me what to do" it felt like you cared in that regard at least 1%. Maybe I am, it's what I heard I think it's right. It's a mitzvah for me to discuss Torah as long as I'm trying to do the right thing even if I'm wrong in the end.
Which one of the seven is follow ways of modesty?
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When you were all like "don't tell me what to do" it felt like you cared in that regard at least 1%. Maybe I am, it's what I heard I think it's right. It's a mitzvah for me to discuss Torah as long as I'm trying to do the right thing even if I'm wrong in the end.
Which one of the seven is follow ways of modesty?
It is a positive aspect of the Noahide prohibition of forbidden relations.
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It is a positive aspect of the Noahide prohibition of forbidden relations.
So you hold that as complete law and not just an extra stringency for piety?
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So you hold that as complete law and not just an extra stringency for piety?
Yes of course. Within the seven commandments, each one has a negative and positive aspect.
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Here I’ll put it to you this way. Men are wired differently than women. Jewish men and gentile similar. A normal man as an animal desires mating or looking at different women. But because we were made in God’s image, we should strive to be holy. That’s both Jews and gentiles. In this regard, what is holy for a man to do? Avoid being in situations that will lead to that normal animal side. That’s for both Jewish and gentile men.
Women by Jewish law required to be modest. Not sure what the rules are for gentile women. But in Moab and philistine and Egypt, they were not modest and it led to lots of problems. So perhaps if not required by gentile women to be modest (and it’s a mistake if she chooses not to be), all men must be careful because it can lead to wasting seed which is not permitted under Jewish law and possibly by Noahide law.
Gentile women are obligated to be modest and Gentile men are forbidden to spill their semen wastefully. This is a clear ruling.
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Gentile women are obligated to be modest and Gentile men are forbidden to spill their semen wastefully. This is a clear ruling.
There's no question about spilling seed. Based on my study I don't see any law saying what gentile men are allowed or not allowed to think about.
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There's no question about spilling seed. Based on my study I don't see any law saying what gentile men are allowed or not allowed to think about.
In addition to the positive obligation to have modest thoughts, a Gentile who thought about idol worship is punished by Heaven for his evil thoughts according to Tractate Kiddushin 39b and Tosafot there. There are other examples.
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I know from before the flood, it says the ground was soggy with the endless wasted seed of men and the world was destroyed in part for that. Even though the decree to destroy the world wasn't signed until they signed marriage contracts for men and men and humans and animals, we can infer that it is forbidden. Rabbi Mizrachi's new talmid speaker Reuven says that some scientist proved it was murder in a recent lecture, didn't watch it though, I already know anyways.
If we're discussing piety, sure there are tons of things for Jews and non-Jews you can do, but it's not required to be a chassid, I'm just trying to figure out what the basic law here is.
When you were all like "don't tell me what to do" it felt like you cared in that regard at least 1%. Maybe I am, it's what I heard I think it's right. It's a mitzvah for me to discuss Torah as long as I'm trying to do the right thing even if I'm wrong in the end.
Which one of the seven is follow ways of modesty?
I heard that the final straw for the flood was because people stole from another
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I heard that the final straw for the flood was because people stole from another
That was the first straw in the decree. Since everything everyone had was stolen, they wouldn't care when Hashem took it from them, and therefore no punishment could make them do teshuva. As a result it was decreed that the world would be destroyed. They morally deteriorated, having no deterrent for sin, and the decree for their destruction was signed for those crimes. There's a gemarra source, but I'm not sure if I'm bad at remembering those or not making the proper effort for me, not in terms of my intelligence but I enjoy Torah so much I remember it, sources remembering it requires effort for me.
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In addition to the positive obligation to have modest thoughts, a Gentile who thought about idol worship is punished by Heaven for his evil thoughts according to Tractate Kiddushin 39b and Tosafot there. There are other examples.
So like we go on about "we do 613 and you only have 7" but really you're at least at 500 or so too.
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So like we go on about "we do 613 and you only have 7" but really you're at least at 500 or so too.
The fact that the Noahide commandments are broad categories doesn't mean there are more than 7. Each Noahide obligation is part of the 7 commandments. The 613 Jewish commandments have their details and the 7 Noahide commandments have their details.
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The fact that the Noahide commandments are broad categories doesn't mean there are more than 7. Each Noahide obligation is part of the 7 commandments. The 613 Jewish commandments have their details and the 7 Noahide commandments have their details.
Eh I guess. I started getting into the details of certain mitzvot like davening and was like "i have almost never come close to doing this right", and like the details on which blessing I make on which food based on a million different factors and was like "literally less than 10 people alive do this right".
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So maybe the evidence is with you and I'm not remembering Rabbi Mizrachi's position right possibly. It says that the thought is worse than the sin with immodesty, because the sin is one time say 8 rounds x30min-1hour and it's over, the thought can go on and on for years. If it is forbidden to do the act, it is, then the thought is forbidden too. I know from painful experience that every blessing has an equal opposite curse if you refuse it, so if it is a blessing for Noachides to be modest, it is, then it brings an equal opposite curse to a life of love and children to be immodest. Even if we G-d forbid forget all the laws, it is enormously in one's self-interest to keep one's thoughts clean.
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So like we go on about "we do 613 and you only have 7" but really you're at least at 500 or so too.
Remember. The Torah is really just the cliff notes for the oral law.
So is the 7 Noahide laws. 7 categories which include etc
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So maybe the evidence is with you and I'm not remembering Rabbi Mizrachi's position right possibly. It says that the thought is worse than the sin with immodesty, because the sin is one time say 8 rounds x30min-1hour and it's over, the thought can go on and on for years. If it is forbidden to do the act, it is, then the thought is forbidden too. I know from painful experience that every blessing has an equal opposite curse if you refuse it, so if it is a blessing for Noachides to be modest, it is, then it brings an equal opposite curse to a life of love and children to be immodest. Even if we G-d forbid forget all the laws, it is enormously in one's self-interest to keep one's thoughts clean.
While God can see into our thoughts I have never know thoughts to be more sinful than the actual behavior. Thoughts can lead to sins but it’s a great victory against the evil inclination when after a thought one avoids the sin.
One should not put himself in that situation to have bad thoughts and try to battle against HaSatan
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While God can see into our thoughts I have never know thoughts to be more sinful than the actual behavior. Thoughts can lead to sins but it’s a great victory against the evil inclination when after a thought one avoids the sin.
One should not put himself in that situation to have bad thoughts and try to battle against HaSatan
It fits in with the central premise of the Jewish Idea that the purpose of the mizvot is to remove your ego. The sin you do one time, it's over you can make teshuva, the thought can consume you until you are a depraved individual completely. I heard a retort from a Chabad Rabbi that doing this can create a baby, if it's with a non-Jewish girl then it's a baby that's physically but not spiritually yours, a married woman a mamzer with a life of suffering ahead of him. Still, all it proves is the same thing in the first place, more damage to the world, but less damage to you, imo.
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Eh I guess. I started getting into the details of certain mitzvot like davening and was like "i have almost never come close to doing this right", and like the details on which blessing I make on which food based on a million different factors and was like "literally less than 10 people alive do this right".
So maybe the evidence is with you and I'm not remembering Rabbi Mizrachi's position right possibly. It says that the thought is worse than the sin with immodesty, because the sin is one time say 8 rounds x30min-1hour and it's over, the thought can go on and on for years. If it is forbidden to do the act, it is, then the thought is forbidden too. I know from painful experience that every blessing has an equal opposite curse if you refuse it, so if it is a blessing for Noachides to be modest, it is, then it brings an equal opposite curse to a life of love and children to be immodest. Even if we G-d forbid forget all the laws, it is enormously in one's self-interest to keep one's thoughts clean.
Gentile prayers and blessings are voluntary. What you wrote is a good example of the Torah Law for Jews being more restrictive.
Gentiles are especially forbidden to desire or lust after another man's wife because it can lead to the sin of adultery, which is also related to theft.
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Remember. The Torah is really just the cliff notes for the oral law.
So is the 7 Noahide laws. 7 categories which include etc
Exactly. The Gentile world opposes the Oral Torah because it explains the practical details of the commandments.
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Exactly. The Gentile world opposes the Oral Torah because it explains the practical details of the commandments.
They oppose the written Torah to the point of corrupting it to serve their agendas. Jews and our allies have generally faced opposition. Makes things really interesting.
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Rabbi Reuven on women immodesty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCEwLZpizuU&t=3008s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCEwLZpizuU&t=3008s)
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There are some issues when I post url. I get a blank space instead of link.
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I was thinking something. Tell me if I'm anywhere with this. Rabbi Reuven among others says spilling seed is murder. If you have immodest thoughts, this causes dreams in the night where you waste seed. Is wasting seed through a dream accidental murder? We know we call it accidental murder and not accidental killing because you should have been more careful, and now city of refuge for you. If so, having immodest thoughts can be considered like walking up a ladder that you know is faulty.
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I was thinking something. Tell me if I'm anywhere with this. Rabbi Reuven among others says spilling seed is murder. If you have immodest thoughts, this causes dreams in the night where you waste seed. Is wasting seed through a dream accidental murder? We know we call it accidental murder and not accidental killing because you should have been more careful, and now city of refuge for you. If so, having immodest thoughts can be considered like walking up a ladder that you know is faulty.
At a very high spiritual level, yes. I still have a tough time with rabbi Reuven’s mussar on this subject. But the fault is with me and not the mussar.
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At a very high spiritual level, yes. I still have a tough time with rabbi Reuven’s mussar on this subject. But the fault is with me and not the mussar.
There are many others who say the same thing, on video a few too. For someone who was sexually active growing up, it feels like you are burning alive 24/7 and doesn't go away, but B"H I was built very hard. I generally don't trust any single guy saying he can do this if he doesn't work out alot and is super buff, it wouldn't be possible to maintain sanity if I wasn't using my strength 24/7.
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And cancel what I said about Noachide laws being just as hard. You know how many things I have to know just to pee? You can't be holding anything, you can't walk around, you definitely can't hold your member, I can't think Torah for sure or any thoughts, just focus on the feeling in my internal organs, can't push it out, you have to super relax it out, and you always have to use a little paper after for a quick wipe. By a long shot the most humbling experience of my life to re-potty train myself, you freeking wet the floor like a five year old and want to just die.
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There are many others who say the same thing, on video a few too. For someone who was sexually active growing up, it feels like you are burning alive 24/7 and doesn't go away, but B"H I was built very hard. I generally don't trust any single guy saying he can do this if he doesn't work out alot and is super buff, it wouldn't be possible to maintain sanity if I wasn't using my strength 24/7.
The only chance one has is if he is constantly in Torah and not around women except his wife.
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The only chance one has is if he is constantly in Torah and not around women except his wife.
No weak person can last a week of nights. If he has a wife it's not an issue, or shouldn't be, I'm speaking of singles. The pain is too great. You must have great physical strength to resist. Even that isn't enough sometimes to me, but the cult I grew up in said it was good and you should do it. We'd read stories the cult leader wrote about his nanny masturbating him in bed to help him sleep and that it was good. I am still furious that little me was tricked by those freak bags, and sometimes I draw on my reserves of rage that anyone could deceive me to help me not do it.
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Spielberg isn't exactly popular on this page anyway. He doesn't even practice judism at all.
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I was thinking something. Tell me if I'm anywhere with this. Rabbi Reuven among others says spilling seed is murder. If you have immodest thoughts, this causes dreams in the night where you waste seed. Is wasting seed through a dream accidental murder? We know we call it accidental murder and not accidental killing because you should have been more careful, and now city of refuge for you. If so, having immodest thoughts can be considered like walking up a ladder that you know is faulty.
It is close to a deliberate transgression.
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It is close to a deliberate transgression.
So it's like sabotaging the ladder before you walk on it in your opinion?
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There are many others who say the same thing, on video a few too. For someone who was sexually active growing up, it feels like you are burning alive 24/7 and doesn't go away, but B"H I was built very hard. I generally don't trust any single guy saying he can do this if he doesn't work out alot and is super buff, it wouldn't be possible to maintain sanity if I wasn't using my strength 24/7.
I prefer intellectual and financial pursuits. I don't have the time to think about women.
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I prefer intellectual and financial pursuits. I don't have the time to think about women.
There's always time for an addiction, and it is one. If your brain doesn't automatically go there based on anything or nothing, it's because you made an effort at some point to keep it in a good place. You can see it from kids undergoing puberty, before they can understand the implications of their actions it will always be the first thing they think of in every situation.
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There's always time for an addiction, and it is one. If your brain doesn't automatically go there based on anything or nothing, it's because you made an effort at some point to keep it in a good place. You can see it from kids undergoing puberty, before they can understand the implications of their actions it will always be the first thing they think of in every situation.
Learning that anyone who spills semen wastefully is compared to a murderer was a shock, but it is what it is. Luckily I have you to talk to.
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I grew up in a sexually permissive environment, too. Learning that anyone who spills semen wastefully is compared to a murderer was a shock, but it is what it is. Sometimes my evil inclination is ridiculously strong. Luckily I have you crazy bastards to talk to.
I never learned one thing in Torah. I recognized it. My rage at them for lying to me compensates for what I feel towards myself, because I felt that it was bad an knew it deep down, but what an abomination they did that I was just trying to be a good boy.
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I never learned one thing in Torah. I recognized it. My rage at them for lying to me compensates for what I feel towards myself, because I felt that it was bad an knew it deep down, but what an abomination they did that I was just trying to be a good boy.
I thank Hashem that my beloved mother follows the Noahide Laws.
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I know how you feel. My father was a sexually perverse man. I keep saying that Dr. Michael Schulman is like a father to me because he taught me everything my biological father should have taught me.
I no longer feel rage. I am depressed, battle-worn and deeply, deeply disappointed by the world. I thank Hashem that my beloved mother follows the Noahide Laws.
It is a deep honor for me that I was able to get my mother out of idolatry too. I don't care about pain that affects me. I did learn that you never say "is that all you got, Hashem", he does have more and I have discovered that I do have a limit for pain, but it involves ten different tortures at once. What I can't bear is that I failed people in my life. The regret is a swarm of a thousand carrion birds circling, swooping and ripping flesh from me every single time again and again for years without end.
My biological father is unknown. My step dad has high blood pressure and psychosis, along with severe delusions of grandeur, so I was very pleased when my friend informed me that he wasn't my actual dad at 13.
I have seen endless beauty and people living lives filled with joy after joy. It is a beautiful world, I just can't bring myself to consider myself worthy of any of it. You can't possibly understand the level of damage I've caused in failing good people.
Also feel rage is not the issue. I cultivate it and store it. My mantra in life is, "I ride this beast too". I learned at a very young age that having no reserve of rage to call on in a moment of need is a life risk.
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I grew up in a sexually permissive environment, too. Learning that anyone who spills semen wastefully is compared to a murderer was a shock, but it is what it is. Sometimes my evil inclination is ridiculously strong. Luckily I have you crazy bastards to talk to.
Who says that spanking the monkey is forbidden for a Noahide?
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Who says that spanking the monkey is forbidden for a Noahide?
Pre-flood it was considered a crime, and part of the reason the world had to be covered with water and most remained submerged and only inhabited by horrible sea creatures. The ground had become soggy with the spilled seed of men.
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I fixed Rav Reuven's video on previous page.
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Who says that spanking the monkey is forbidden for a Noahide?
An entire chapter in the Divine Code explains the Noahide prohibition of spilling semen.
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Who says that spanking the monkey is forbidden for a Noahide?
It’s crime for all men.
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It’s crime for all men.
For Jews but how does it violate the 7 mitzvot Bnai Noach?
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For Jews but how does it violate the 7 mitzvot Bnai Noach?
I explained this very thoroughly here: https://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,90076.msg681663.html#msg681663
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She is already in prison. This was faster than expected.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/steven-spielbergs-daughter-mikaela-arrested-for-domestic-violence-fiance-says-no-one-is-hurt (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/steven-spielbergs-daughter-mikaela-arrested-for-domestic-violence-fiance-says-no-one-is-hurt)
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She is already in prison. This was faster than expected.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/steven-spielbergs-daughter-mikaela-arrested-for-domestic-violence-fiance-says-no-one-is-hurt (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/steven-spielbergs-daughter-mikaela-arrested-for-domestic-violence-fiance-says-no-one-is-hurt)
Basically saying her 47 yo fiance ratted on her to the cops. What kind of people...