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I do know it's not for Jews or Righteous Gentiles.
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only the queer parades shoudl be banned since they already have their gay pride day...
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ban the gay pride parade day and keep the halloween parade
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Just ban them both and send them to Iran for Ahemdenejad...since Iran lacks homosexuals and could use a little bit of fagottry
Now of course I dont' have a problem with most normal gay people...many are decent human beings otherwise..It's the rest of them that [censored] me off so much that i want to kick them in the nuts (what they have left of them).
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I think Halloween should be left as it is. We celebrate it and make it a positive event instead of a macabre holiday. We use the day/evening to have the kids express themselves.
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Banned!
What are we celebrating any way?!
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I think Halloween should be left as it is. We celebrate it and make it a positive event instead of a macabre holiday. We use the day/evening to have the kids express themselves.
It's the pagan Mid-Fall Festival. For Wiccans and Neo-Pagans, it's a religious holiday. They have 8 seasonal holidays: On the first day of the season and mid-season.
I never knew that but I'm still okay with halloween.
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Yes erico but your Ame brand of Christianity is fake and heathen anyway.Witch doctors are cool just ask them.Why are you here Erica tell the truth, Christian?
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I still think that Halloween is a fun holiday and I like any day you can get free candy.
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We were little kids, we would put on costumes and go out (oooo past dark which was something special for a little kid lol) and get candy...we werent thinking of anything but fun and candy....though it all seemed much safer back then.
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Yes erico but your Ame brand of Christianity is fake and heathen anyway.Witch doctors are cool just ask them.Why are you here Erica tell the truth, Christian?
I don't study witchcraft so I dont' get what you mean. What's AME? My children dress up as fairies, hula girls, and princesses during Halloween. Its fun. We dont' focus on evil. (Although I do love scary movies...but I digress).
I'm here because I was invited to ask Chaim questions in March. I asked them and got hooked into the discussions here that pertain to race. I like expressing myself and love that we have that freedom. So in short, I'm here because I CAN BE.
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Did someone post a question on Ask JTF for this topic?
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I still think that Halloween is a fun holiday and I like any day you can get free candy.
That's the best part! lol
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Please, you are here to disrupt.AME African methodist evangelical.Wow.!
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Please, you are here to disrupt.AME African methodist evangelical.Wow.!
You don't even know what you just typed. That's not what I represent. But you sound more and more like the Anti-Christ, though.
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LOL if Im the anti Christ your the bottomless pit!
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I think that ultimately it has lost all of its pagan history and today is just a holiday for kids to get candy, nonetheless I think that ultimately it is pointless and as a Jew I already have enough holidays for joy and happiness (purim, hannukah, sukkot, simchat torah, shabbat......)and don't need one based on a pagan history.
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My son is 11 and wont go out for halloween, says hes "too old" ;D
He plays travel hockey so most of his time is taken up with that after school anyhow.
I still buy candy, we get quite a few trick or treaters at the door.
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I have one son who is 11, I usually leave him out of online discussion, but since my friend mentioned him I guess there isnt any point lol.
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My friend who was banned, he mentioned him once, he knows about him.
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Sent you a PM ;)
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It is a satanic holiday and should be banned.
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Can I have a PM?Kelly .... ;) :D
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Halloween shouldn't be banned, any meaning it may have had is long gone, at this point Halloween is nothing more than a masquerade party, harmless fun.
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Halloween shouldn't be banned, any meaning it may have had is long gone, at this point Halloween is nothing more than a masquerade party, harmless fun.
I agree with you NewYorker. I don't know anyone celebrating halloween by gathering together to cast spells on people. I know a few children and parents who enjoy getting dressed up in cool costumes. I also know of some opportunistic grown people who'd take candy just because its free. lol
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But its wrong does that not matter?Yea who cares wat God thinks.
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A masquerade party isn't wrong, it's harmless fun.
A pagan ritual around a fire chanting to deities, goddesses, demons and whatnot is wrong.
Dressing up as Neo from the Matrix, having one or two too many drinks and getting the phone number of that cute girl that's dressed up as Xena the Warrior Princess is just good fun! ::)
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How about getting drunk and whopping it up in costume for allah the moon god.just for plain fun!
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A masquerade party isn't wrong, it's harmless fun.
A pagan ritual around a fire chanting to deities, goddesses, demons and whatnot is wrong.
Dressing up as Neo from the Matrix, having one or two too many drinks and getting the phone number of that cute girl that's dressed up as Xena the Warrior Princess is just good fun! ::)
Exactly NewYorker. For example, my husband and I will be attending our first ever 70's party where everyone will dress in 70's clothes and dance to 70's music and such; for Halloween. :D I can't wait, really.
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What do you mean banned? Banned how? by whom? punishable by what?
Halloween is just an ancient Irish harvest festival marking the end of summer (and in some small parts in the west of Ireland is still celebrated as such). It was when the dead would revist the world and people would be able to pray and communicate with them. In Christianity this became All Saints Day. And over time it evolved became ghosts and all that spooky stuff. This does not bother me at all I like Halloween I just don't get why so many girls just take it as an excuse to dress up like sluts.
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How about getting drunk and whopping it up in costume for allah the moon G-d.just for plain fun!
Woah, that is one big chip you have on that shoulder. You know there are things that are important and matter, and things that are not, it's very easy to tell the difference. An excuse to dress up, act silly and have some fun isn't.
If you are that threatened by something as innocuous as Halloween, maybe Halloween isn't the problem.
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Uh huh, and today it means silly costume, laughs with friends, and the phone number of that cute girl in the Xena the Warrior Princess costume.
I'm starting to sense sour grapes from our party poopers.
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Yes. It's an evil holiday. Figures that evil Hispanics came up with it. What is the purpose of celebrating a day of evil demons and other things of pure evil?
Rabbis have debated on whether or not it is a sin for Jews to participate in such a holiday. The majority decided it was OK, and so the Jewish faith does except the evil of this holiday, sadly. Well, I suppose they saw it from the prespective that the day brings young children great joy receiving candy and dressing up. They're too young to revel in the true essence of the holiday.
A holiday based on evil things is quite unappealing. It's unholy, and not something God would approve.
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This is a religious forum and we don't condone those things on here.
What partys? Levity? Enjoying life? If that's the case, I'm lucky to be secular.
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Does not faith matter here?
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Does not faith matter here?
Sure, and if you are secure in your faith, you have nothing to worry about.
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Is there anything in Jewish or Christian law against a masquerade party? That's a retorecal question because the answer is.. "Of course not."
Well, that is all that Halloween is about a masquerade, having harmless fun, that's it, nothing else, no deeper meaning, if it did mean something 800 years ago or whatever that is long gone now, ask any adult at a Halloween party, ask any kid, not one will say "I'm celebrating a pagan holiday", they'll all say, "fun day, costume, candy". That is the only meaning of it in the contemporary world, and that is what is important, what it means now.
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OH you sinful man!
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OH you sinful man!
You're joking right!?
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NO you sinful jew
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Hmm, I noticed nobody is attempting to address the points I've made. Means I win the argument.
I expect to see you all at the party then! :D
Now you can call me sinful! ;D
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Uh huh, and today it means silly costume, laughs with friends, and the phone number of that cute girl in the Xena the Warrior Princess costume.
I'm starting to sense sour grapes from our party poopers.
It's wonderful to hear that a Xena whore princess appeals more to you than an Esther queen. Don't play this game of calling it a simple, innocent "masquerade party." Go and look on the 31st at any college campus and see what the women look like. Halloween is not a masquerade party, it is a worthless excuse for a raunch fest. Ask yourself if a girl who dresses like a prostitute, dumps herself in beer, and goes to parties with these like-minded people is the type of woman you would want to marry. If she's not, then you are certainly not there for the "masquerade."
You are like the guy who says he's just going in the kitchen to help his wife cook.
Well as a 40 year old unmarried man that has never made a vow of celebacy thats what you do, you meet women and date them. You must be young, I can tell, because of the idealism bordering on sanctamoniousness and the reference to college gils. Well I don't know about you but in my situation as I got older I realized that those lofty ideals are un-livable, and compromise is the way, like the kids say, "you get real". ;) College campus? Haven't been on one in ooooh 15 years, anyway, the ladys I meet are 30+, we're all adults, married? some of them have been, more than twice, with kids! :D
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dhimmipride: "...I just don't get why so many girls just take it as an excuse to dress up like sluts..."
No?
They dress up like sluts because they are sluts!
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Hello it is pure pagan sin.
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dhimmipride: "...I just don't get why so many girls just take it as an excuse to dress up like sluts..."
No?
They dress up like sluts because they are sluts!
Yes, it's this latest generation, they've had two absentee parents both working, or broken homes, got "raised" by the tv. No moral compass, it's not even their fault, how is someone supposed to know right from wrong when nobody showed them to begin with. So, there you go "Girls gone wild". Great. In 20 years when they're alone, no husband, no family, and now no interest from men, it'll hit them that they wasted their lives for cheap attention. Tragic really. I feel for those lost kids. Thankfully my generation wasn't so corrupted.
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Hello it is pure pagan sin.
Are we still discussing halloween? ;D
Hey Christianwhitnation are you in the military? I went to your website and saw a lot of military vehicle pics in your gallery.
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Is there anything in Jewish or Christian law against a masquerade party? That's a retorecal question because the answer is.. "Of course not."
Well, that is all that Halloween is about a masquerade, having harmless fun, that's it, nothing else, no deeper meaning, if it did mean something 800 years ago or whatever that is long gone now, ask any adult at a Halloween party, ask any kid, not one will say "I'm celebrating a pagan holiday", they'll all say, "fun day, costume, candy". That is the only meaning of it in the contemporary world, and that is what is important, what it means now.
The problem is that everything is commercialized. It's the same way many "Christians" celebrate Christmas but think it's a Secular holiday.
Well you're making my point, it's commercialized and meaningless, that's what makes it harmless the fact that it is meaningless. At this point they could call it Costume Day.
As for the Christians celebrating Christmas as a secular holiday, I imagine those people are pretty much secular the rest of the time, and religous Christians focus on what the holiday is about.
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Who gets married or gets to know a woman without dating her? Duh!
Good, glad to see you're wise to the program lol. :D
You know, 40 years-old really doesn't seem to me the age to give up on that former prospect. And I'm not judging you for feeling the way you do either; perhaps if I were in your situation, I would feel and do the same. I'm young; I already know how it feels to see others around me doing the Xena's phone number thing.
No complaints, those are the cards I was dealt, you take what you get in life, it's how you let it effect you that matters; Ya got nothing but lemons? You make lemonade! 8)
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Is there anything in Jewish or Christian law against a masquerade party? That's a retorecal question because the answer is.. "Of course not."
Well, that is all that Halloween is about a masquerade, having harmless fun, that's it, nothing else, no deeper meaning, if it did mean something 800 years ago or whatever that is long gone now, ask any adult at a Halloween party, ask any kid, not one will say "I'm celebrating a pagan holiday", they'll all say, "fun day, costume, candy". That is the only meaning of it in the contemporary world, and that is what is important, what it means now.
The problem is that everything is commercialized. It's the same way many "Christians" celebrate Christmas but think it's a Secular holiday.
Well you're making my point, it's commercialized and meaningless, that's what makes it harmless the fact that it is meaningless. At this point they could call it Costume Day.
As for the Christians celebrating Christmas as a secular holiday, I imagine those people are pretty much secular the rest of the time, and religous Christians focus on what the holiday is about.
Well I guess they are self-hating Christians then. They think its just about presents, Christmas trees, and lights while in reality, this are remants of another pagan holiday, The Winter Solstice.
Huh, interesting concept, heard of self hating Jews, never self hating Christians. Actually now that I think about it, there are self hating Christians, and not surprisingly, they're in the same political category as self hating Jews. Self hating Christians are hard left, those "liberal" ACLU types trying to destroy any public symbol of Christianity in this country. So yes, it seems the Christians have their own self hating variety and their in the same club as the self hating Jew.
But back to your categorization, I think they're just secular, the truely self hating try to squash anything to do with Christmas including the secular stuff like decorations.
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Rabbis have debated on whether or not it is a sin for Jews to participate in such a holiday. The majority decided it was OK, and so the Jewish faith does except the evil of this holiday, sadly. Well, I suppose they saw it from the prespective that the day brings young children great joy receiving candy and dressing up. They're too young to revel in the true essence of the holiday.
What "rabbis" were they?
A variety of different rabbis from different denominations decided that it was not a sin to take part in Halloween after an ongoing debate. That doesn't mean that this is a view shared by all rabbis, but quite a few do. There's nothing in the Torah to suggest that it is a sin, and that's probably how these rabbis arrived at their decision.
However, the holiday is unholy, based on what it stands for, and from that I conclude that it's just common sense for a good, Torah-true Jew to oppose it. Things like this are tests by God to see if we can determine what is a sin for ourselves.
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Rabbis have debated on whether or not it is a sin for Jews to participate in such a holiday. The majority decided it was OK, and so the Jewish faith does except the evil of this holiday, sadly. Well, I suppose they saw it from the prespective that the day brings young children great joy receiving candy and dressing up. They're too young to revel in the true essence of the holiday.
What "rabbis" were they?
A variety of different rabbis from different denominations decided that it was not a sin to take part in Halloween after an ongoing debate. That doesn't mean that this is a view shared by all rabbis, but quite a few do. There's nothing in the Torah to suggest that it is a sin, and that's probably how these rabbis arrived at their decision.
However, the holiday is unholy, based on what it stands for, and from that I conclude that it's just common sense for a good, Torah-true Jew to oppose it. Things like this are tests by G-d to see if we can determine what is a sin for ourselves.
They were probably Deformed and Conserved.
You can read about the debate at www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org. Enter the library, click on religion and read about the holidays.
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It's also worth mentioning that massive amounts of vandilism are committed on Halloween. It's a holiday that basically promotes poor behavior, and encourages evil people to act upon their deplorable urges to destroy and cause misery.
Go outside the day after Halloween every year and you'll see for yourself.
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Is there anything in Jewish or Christian law against a masquerade party? That's a retorecal question because the answer is.. "Of course not."
Well, that is all that Halloween is about a masquerade, having harmless fun, that's it, nothing else, no deeper meaning, if it did mean something 800 years ago or whatever that is long gone now, ask any adult at a Halloween party, ask any kid, not one will say "I'm celebrating a pagan holiday", they'll all say, "fun day, costume, candy". That is the only meaning of it in the contemporary world, and that is what is important, what it means now.
The problem is that everything is commercialized. It's the same way many "Christians" celebrate Christmas but think it's a Secular holiday.
Well you're making my point, it's commercialized and meaningless, that's what makes it harmless the fact that it is meaningless. At this point they could call it Costume Day.
As for the Christians celebrating Christmas as a secular holiday, I imagine those people are pretty much secular the rest of the time, and religous Christians focus on what the holiday is about.
Well I guess they are self-hating Christians then. They think its just about presents, Christmas trees, and lights while in reality, this are remants of another pagan holiday, The Winter Solstice.
Huh, interesting concept, heard of self hating Jews, never self hating Christians. Actually now that I think about it, there are self hating Christians, and not surprisingly, they're in the same political category as self hating Jews. Self hating Christians are hard left, those "liberal" ACLU types trying to destroy any public symbol of Christianity in this country. So yes, it seems the Christians have their own self hating variety and their in the same club as the self hating Jew.
But back to your categorization, I think they're just secular, the truely self hating try to squash anything to do with Christmas including the secular stuff like decorations.
Of course there's self-hating Christians! The majority are! How many openly defy the ten commandments and every major warning in the Christian bible? Too many to count. How many have sex out of wedlock, committ adultery and don't have a single moral fiber in their body? There are way more Christians than Jews, hundreds of millions more, so, of course, there is an astounding number of self-hating Christians.
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Plus, why should we be encouraging our children to dress up as evil creatures? Just so they can get candy? There is no true purpose to this holiday other than its open show of defiance torwards God.
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Well; The Halloween as you celebrate in USA; is evil; it teaches children that witchcraft is fun and games for allah sake; next they're exposed for Harry Potter who shoud be banned too; and you'll have another neopagan leftist selfhating piecnik in no time. Thanks G-d this is not celebrated in Europe.
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Hmm, I noticed nobody is attempting to address the points I've made. Means I win the argument.
I expect to see you all at the party then! :D
Now you can call me sinful! ;D
lol
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There are plenty of Christians that celebrate halloween and go to mardi gras.As well as Jews, that doesn't make it right yet I still love them all and respect them.We all should.
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More and more Christians don't.
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Well; The Halloween as you celebrate in USA; is evil; it teaches children that witchcraft is fun and games for allah sake; next they're exposed for Harry Potter who shoud be banned too; and you'll have another neopagan leftist selfhating piecnik in no time. Thanks G-d this is not celebrated in Europe.
When did ALLAH become part of Halloween in America? lol Should let my girls know that they can't celebrate Halloween because princesses and fairies are in league with the devil? lol
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Not sure about that either.LOL.We just stopped because it didn't honor our God.
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Is there anything in Jewish or Christian law against a masquerade party? That's a retorecal question because the answer is.. "Of course not."
Well, that is all that Halloween is about a masquerade, having harmless fun, that's it, nothing else, no deeper meaning, if it did mean something 800 years ago or whatever that is long gone now, ask any adult at a Halloween party, ask any kid, not one will say "I'm celebrating a pagan holiday", they'll all say, "fun day, costume, candy". That is the only meaning of it in the contemporary world, and that is what is important, what it means now.
The problem is that everything is commercialized. It's the same way many "Christians" celebrate Christmas but think it's a Secular holiday.
Well you're making my point, it's commercialized and meaningless, that's what makes it harmless the fact that it is meaningless. At this point they could call it Costume Day.
As for the Christians celebrating Christmas as a secular holiday, I imagine those people are pretty much secular the rest of the time, and religous Christians focus on what the holiday is about.
Well I guess they are self-hating Christians then. They think its just about presents, Christmas trees, and lights while in reality, this are remants of another pagan holiday, The Winter Solstice.
Huh, interesting concept, heard of self hating Jews, never self hating Christians. Actually now that I think about it, there are self hating Christians, and not surprisingly, they're in the same political category as self hating Jews. Self hating Christians are hard left, those "liberal" ACLU types trying to destroy any public symbol of Christianity in this country. So yes, it seems the Christians have their own self hating variety and their in the same club as the self hating Jew.
But back to your categorization, I think they're just secular, the truely self hating try to squash anything to do with Christmas including the secular stuff like decorations.
Of course there's self-hating Christians! The majority are! How many openly defy the ten commandments and every major warning in the Christian bible? Too many to count. How many have sex out of wedlock, committ adultery and don't have a single moral fiber in their body? There are way more Christians than Jews, hundreds of millions more, so, of course, there is an astounding number of self-hating Christians.
Non-Jews don't have to follow The Ten Commandments. In fact they're not allowed to. They are not allowed to keep The Sabbath, part of The Ten Commandments. They just have to keep The Seven Noahide Laws.
Christians do follow the Ten Commandments. In Christianity the Shabbat was moved to Sunday after Christianity's separation from Judaism.
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But they still don't keep it the way Jews are supposed to. They just close their stores but still do melacha, which is fine, because they're not supposed to keep it.
As far as I know, Christians are supposed to uphold every one of the Ten Commandments. They're the fundamentals of Christianity. Yes, and you're right that Jews have to keep them, but just as much, plus, keep the other hundred-plus commandments the Torah commands of us.
Christians cannot committ adultery, must honor their neighbor, cannot steal, cannot kill, etc. Those are part of the Ten Commandments.
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Yes. It's an evil holiday. Figures that evil Hispanics came up with it.
I thought Samhain it was an Celtic invention? Hispanic? Are you refering to the Mexican day of the dead on Nov 1st??
lulz, I'm part Celtic...yet I dont celebrate it anymore.
All Catholic countrise have a Day of The Dead. It's not a Catholic thing. In Spanish and French class in high school, they made us give a presentation about a dead person from a Spanish speaking country (In Spanish class.) and a dead person from France (In Spanish class.). I did a Spanish explorer of South America and in French, I did Jews. The first year I did Alfred Dreyfus and the the second year I did Rashi. We had to dress up as them so I wore my talit because that is a Jewish article of clothing.
The Day of The Dead was The Catholic Church's answers to Samhain. They just wanted to Christianize it. It's the same way Christmas was made into the birth of Jesus while originally it was the pagan Winter Solstice Festival. The Christian Bible gives no mention of Jesus being born on December 25.
Halloween is a derivative of The Day of the Dead. It's been changed, but it's still the same unholy holiday that people try to pass off as innocent fun.
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Well; The Halloween as you celebrate in USA; is evil; it teaches children that witchcraft is fun and games for allah sake; next they're exposed for Harry Potter who shoud be banned too; and you'll have another neopagan leftist selfhating piecnik in no time. Thanks G-d this is not celebrated in Europe.
When did ALLAH become part of Halloween in America? lol Should let my girls know that they can't celebrate Halloween because princesses and fairies are in league with the devil? lol
I say "for allah sake" instead of "for G-d sake" which woud be breach of commandment; Work on your reading comprehension for allah sake! fairess? I dont know but witches and ghosts are working for mr. s. ;); ofcourse mild deformed christians just like mild deformed jews are free to live by their whims not G-d 's will... for now. ::)
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Yes, but it is a heathen practice at the expense of our Christian faiths lent.
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Well; The Halloween as you celebrate in USA; is evil; it teaches children that witchcraft is fun and games for allah sake; next they're exposed for Harry Potter who shoud be banned too; and you'll have another neopagan leftist selfhating piecnik in no time. Thanks G-d this is not celebrated in Europe.
When did ALLAH become part of Halloween in America? lol Should let my girls know that they can't celebrate Halloween because princesses and fairies are in league with the devil? lol
It doesn't matter what you dress up as. It's the principle of the holiday that matters and the fact that it's a day that basically promotes vandalism.
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Courtesy of moslems lots of thing are being banned in schools in the land of Lincoln
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/578734,CST-NWS-oaklawn28.article
First Jell-O, now Santa
OAK LAWN | School district considers banning traditions seen as offensive to Muslims
September 28, 2007
BY ANGELA CAPUTO Daily Southtown
So long, Halloween parade. Farewell, Santa's gift shop.
The holiday traditions are facing elimination in some Oak Lawn schools this year after complaints that the activities are offensive, particularly to Muslim students.
Final decisions on which of the festivities will be axed will fall to the principals at each of Ridgeland School District 122's five schools, Supt. Tom Smyth said.
Parents expect that the announcement is going to add to the tension that has been building since officials agreed earlier this month to change the lunch menu to exclude items containing pork to accommodate Muslim students. News that Jell-O was struck from the menu caused such a stir that officials have agreed to bring it back. Gelatin is often made with tissue or bones of pigs or other animals.
That controversy now appears to have been been dwarfed by the holiday debate, which became so acrimonious Wednesday that police were called to Columbus Manor School to intervene in a shouting match among parents.
"It's difficult when you change the school's culture," said Columbus Manor Principal Sandy Robertson.
Elizabeth Zahdan, a mother of three District 122 students, says she took her concerns to the school board this month, not because she wanted to do away with the traditions, but rather to make them more inclusive. "I only wanted them modified to represent everyone," she said.
Nixing them isn't the response she was looking for. "Now the kids are not being educated about other people," she said.
There's just not time in the six-hour school day to celebrate every holiday, said Smyth, who sent the message to principals that they need to "tone down" the activities that he sees as eating too much into instructional time. "We have to think about our purpose," Smyth said. "Are we about teaching reading, writing and math or for parties or fund-raising during the day?"
Robertson is hoping to strike compromises that will keep traditions alive and be culturally acceptable to all students -- nearly half of whom are of Arab descent at Columbus Manor, she says. Fewer than a third of students districtwide are of Arab descent, according to Smyth.
Following the example of Lieb Elementary School, Columbus Manor School will exchange the annual Halloween parade for a fall festival next month. The holiday gift bazaars at both schools also will remain, but they'll likely be moved to the PTA-sponsored after-school winter festival. And Santa's annual visit probably will be on a Saturday.
Sun-Times News Group
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But they still don't keep it the way Jews are supposed to. They just close their stores but still do melacha, which is fine, because they're not supposed to keep it.
As far as I know, Christians are supposed to uphold every one of the Ten Commandments. They're the fundamentals of Christianity. Yes, and you're right that Jews have to keep them, but just as much, plus, keep the other hundred-plus commandments the Torah commands of us.
Christians cannot committ adultery, must honor their neighbor, cannot steal, cannot kill, etc. Those are part of the Ten Commandments.
But the reason they can't do that is because it's in The Noahide Laws. Keeping Shabbat is not in The Noahide Laws. The Ten Commandments is only for Jews. Why don't Christians follow the other 613 mitzvot if they want to keep Shabbat?
The mitzvot is for Jews, as well as the Ten Commandments. Christianity is a derivative of Judaism, but it's a totally different religion, based on their beliefs and what is written in the Christian bible. Christians who break any of the Ten Commandments will be punished. They must uphold the Shabbat, but they observe it on Sunday. They also don't have as many prohibitions to abide.
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Yes, but it is a heathen practice at the expense of our Christian faiths lent.
The Christian bible says nothing about celebrating a holiday to honor evil entities.
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Well; The Halloween as you celebrate in USA; is evil; it teaches children that witchcraft is fun and games for allah sake; next they're exposed for Harry Potter who shoud be banned too; and you'll have another neopagan leftist selfhating piecnik in no time. Thanks G-d this is not celebrated in Europe.
When did ALLAH become part of Halloween in America? lol Should let my girls know that they can't celebrate Halloween because princesses and fairies are in league with the devil? lol
It doesn't matter what you dress up as. It's the principle of the holiday that matters and the fact that it's a day that basically promotes vandalism.
How, when children are just walking the streets dressed in cute costumes? Are you referring to those teenagers who egg houses and things like that, that's not what the day is supposed to mean. That's stupid.
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But this is real deep stuff.We should have a gathering,Christians, Jews and others.It would be a first I would bring my 6 to 9 people...
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Courtesy of moslems lots of thing are being banned in schools in the land of Lincoln
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/578734,CST-NWS-oaklawn28.article
First Jell-O, now Santa
OAK LAWN | School district considers banning traditions seen as offensive to Muslims
September 28, 2007
BY ANGELA CAPUTO Daily Southtown
So long, Halloween parade. Farewell, Santa's gift shop.
The holiday traditions are facing elimination in some Oak Lawn schools this year after complaints that the activities are offensive, particularly to Muslim students.Final decisions on which of the festivities will be axed will fall to the principals at each of Ridgeland School District 122's five schools, Supt. Tom Smyth said.
Parents expect that the announcement is going to add to the tension that has been building since officials agreed earlier this month to change the lunch menu to exclude items containing pork to accommodate Muslim students. News that Jell-O was struck from the menu caused such a stir that officials have agreed to bring it back. Gelatin is often made with tissue or bones of pigs or other animals.
That controversy now appears to have been been dwarfed by the holiday debate, which became so acrimonious Wednesday that police were called to Columbus Manor School to intervene in a shouting match among parents.
"It's difficult when you change the school's culture," said Columbus Manor Principal Sandy Robertson.
Elizabeth Zahdan, a mother of three District 122 students, says she took her concerns to the school board this month, not because she wanted to do away with the traditions, but rather to make them more inclusive. "I only wanted them modified to represent everyone," she said.
Nixing them isn't the response she was looking for. "Now the kids are not being educated about other people," she said.
There's just not time in the six-hour school day to celebrate every holiday, said Smyth, who sent the message to principals that they need to "tone down" the activities that he sees as eating too much into instructional time. "We have to think about our purpose," Smyth said. "Are we about teaching reading, writing and math or for parties or fund-raising during the day?"
Robertson is hoping to strike compromises that will keep traditions alive and be culturally acceptable to all students -- nearly half of whom are of Arab descent at Columbus Manor, she says. Fewer than a third of students districtwide are of Arab descent, according to Smyth.
Following the example of Lieb Elementary School, Columbus Manor School will exchange the annual Halloween parade for a fall festival next month. The holiday gift bazaars at both schools also will remain, but they'll likely be moved to the PTA-sponsored after-school winter festival. And Santa's annual visit probably will be on a Saturday.
Sun-Times News Group
Don'nt worry the moslems are banning plenty in the U.S.A.
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But they still don't keep it the way Jews are supposed to. They just close their stores but still do melacha, which is fine, because they're not supposed to keep it.
yes that's the point we celebrate them on chritian way becouse since IV century christianity was divorced from judaism; btw Joshua was not even phareseic Rabbi; so even hebrew christians don't fallow oral Torah and Talmud; we gentile christians suposed to keep 10 comandments but on other ways; we're not required to hold all those commndents like dietetery laws; banns on intermarriages; all those purity laws which were strictly tied and purposed for Jewish comunity living in ancient Judea and Israel. However moral Torah about the relations with G-d and brother were not only uphold but broadened.
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Well; The Halloween as you celebrate in USA; is evil; it teaches children that witchcraft is fun and games for allah sake; next they're exposed for Harry Potter who shoud be banned too; and you'll have another neopagan leftist selfhating piecnik in no time. Thanks G-d this is not celebrated in Europe.
When did ALLAH become part of Halloween in America? lol Should let my girls know that they can't celebrate Halloween because princesses and fairies are in league with the devil? lol
It doesn't matter what you dress up as. It's the principle of the holiday that matters and the fact that it's a day that basically promotes vandalism.
How, when children are just walking the streets dressed in cute costumes? Are you referring to those teenagers who egg houses and things like that, that's not what the day is supposed to mean. That's stupid.
It's a holiday derived from the Hispanic holiday The Day of the Dead, in which evil entities are supposed to be celebrated. Why should good Jews and Christians celebrate such an unholy day. Bring a Jew and Christian is about loving God and keeping the evil out of our lives to remain pure. So, from that one can gather that it opposes everything the Jewish and Christian faith stand for.
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But they still don't keep it the way Jews are supposed to. They just close their stores but still do melacha, which is fine, because they're not supposed to keep it.
yes that's the point we celebrate them on chritian way becouse since IV century christianity was divorced from judaism; btw Joshua was not even phareseic Rabbi; so even hebrew christians don't fallow oral Torah and Talmud; we gentile christians suposed to keep 10 comandments but on other ways; we're not required to hold all those commndents like dietetery laws; banns on intermarriages; all those purity laws which were strictly tied and purposed for Jewish comunity living in ancient Judea and Israel. However moral Torah about the relations with G-d and brother were not only uphold but broadened.
I'm not sure intermarriage is allowed in the Christian faith or any other faith for that matter, as intermarriage is seen as a rejection of one's religion.
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Yes It was a Hispanic Christian that showed me the light about halloween
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The whole premise behind halloween is an evil one, a celebration of witchcraft and the occult, it is evil, and should definitely be banned in any Christian or Jewish nation.
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But they still don't keep it the way Jews are supposed to. They just close their stores but still do melacha, which is fine, because they're not supposed to keep it.
yes that's the point we celebrate them on chritian way becouse since IV century christianity was divorced from judaism; btw Joshua was not even phareseic Rabbi; so even hebrew christians don't fallow oral Torah and Talmud; we gentile christians suposed to keep 10 comandments but on other ways; we're not required to hold all those commndents like dietetery laws; banns on intermarriages; all those purity laws which were strictly tied and purposed for Jewish comunity living in ancient Judea and Israel. However moral Torah about the relations with G-d and brother were not only uphold but broadened.
I'm not sure intermarriage is allowed in the Christian faith or any other faith for that matter, as intermarriage is seen as a rejection of one's religion.
national or ratial is allowed religius is not. (I can't citate NT on this forum).
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Yes u r right!
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Keeping Shabbat is not in The Noahide Laws. The Ten Commandments is only for Jews.
As a Christian, I find this HIGHLY offensive, Yacov. With all due respect you clearly know nothing about Christianity if you believe the 10 Commandments are not fundamental to the religion.
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The whole premise behind halloween is an evil one, a celebration of witchcraft and the occult, it is evil, and should definitely be banned in any Christian or Jewish nation.
Would you agree with a festival, based on no religious grounds whatsoever, that was a fun festival for children to celebrate the childish affinity for being "scared"?
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The whole premise behind halloween is an evil one, a celebration of witchcraft and the occult, it is evil, and should definitely be banned in any Christian or Jewish nation.
Would you agree with a festival, based on no religious grounds whatsoever, that was a fun festival for children to celebrate the childish affinity for being "scared"?
That would be fine. The issue with Halloween is the association with witchcraft and evil spirits.
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The whole premise behind halloween is an evil one, a celebration of witchcraft and the occult, it is evil, and should definitely be banned in any Christian or Jewish nation.
Would you agree with a festival, based on no religious grounds whatsoever, that was a fun festival for children to celebrate the childish affinity for being "scared"?
That would be fine. The issue with Halloween is the association with witchcraft and evil spirits.
Which nobody knows about. These days it is a totally secular festival which is as I described above.
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The whole premise behind halloween is an evil one, a celebration of witchcraft and the occult, it is evil, and should definitely be banned in any Christian or Jewish nation.
Would you agree with a festival, based on no religious grounds whatsoever, that was a fun festival for children to celebrate the childish affinity for being "scared"?
That would be fine. The issue with Halloween is the association with witchcraft and evil spirits.
Which nobody knows about. These days it is a totally secular festival which is as I described above.
Ignorance is not excusing anyone; maybe people don't know or rather choose not to belive; but HE knows.
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Well I'm celebrating Costume Day, gonna dress up like a movie hero, have a lot of laughs and I plan on shmoozing with the lovely women. You religious guys knock yourselves out in your self satisfied sanctamonious objections to this harmless, very American (now, yeah yeah, celtic historical whatever blah blah), tradition, I'll post pictures of myself having a ball. I guess you all will be watching tv that night, er yeah, good luck with that. ;D
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It's a holiday derived from the Hispanic holiday The Day of the Dead, in which evil entities are supposed to be celebrated.
First off, I want to thankyou for your great post. I am, however having some problems making a connection between the European Celtic Samhain of Oct 31st and the Mexican Days of the Dead of Nov1 and Nov 2nd. Just because the day of the dead was celebrated in pre-Hispanic, meso America for centuries while Samhain was celebrated in Cletic Europe before America was ever discovered.
However, I agree with your premise. Maybe, there was a cultural merger between the two holidays to create on big DEATH celebration in the US.
BTW, why would nayone celebrate this: (http://www.csufresno.edu/Collegian/archive/2006/10/30/features/images/day-of-dead_joe_thumb.jpg)
This is a "day of the dead" event picture, I just see things like these and creep-out...SKELETONS?
I got this from an article about the "Day of the dead" I dont like it one bit...when someone dies, mourn for them, why would anyone think that "sprits" come back, make altars for them and leave the food, that's just creepy
El Día de los Muertos is not about candy, costumes or even being afraid of ghosts and goblins. Despite its close proximity to Halloween, El Día de los Muertos encompasses a different message.
Translated as Day of the Dead, it is a festive and somber celebration with deep roots in the Mexican and Chicano cultures. The day reserved for honoring the dead occurs every year on Nov. 1 and 2 in Mexico, Latin America and indigenous tribes.
Participants believe the spirits of dead loved ones return at midnight to their gravesites or homes, where family members are gathered in remembrance of them.
Nov. 1 is for remembrance of deceased infants and children. On Nov. 2 the more commonly celebrated day, is reserved for those who died as adults. In order for the spirits to find their grave sites or homes, family members help them find the way by setting up elaborate altars with candles, flowers and special mementos of that spirit. We are welcoming them back to the right place. You don’t want your ancestors lost,” Chicano and Latin American studies professor Ramon Sanchez said.
These altars, or Altares, include personal belongings of the deceased such as photos, favorite clothing items and favorite foods.
"Welcoming them back"???
In my country we light the candles on the graves and prey; just like jews leave the stones on their graves; what you decribed has nothing to do with catholic All saints Day; its diabolic...
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Yacov,Yes it is the same and one reason New Orleans ,I believe was punished.
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You are probely right on all reasons
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Yacov, you have not replied to me saying your statement was highly offensive to Christians. Do you take back the statement?
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That is what I tell my children.I don't care the race but I do care the religion
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Keeping Shabbat is not in The Noahide Laws. The Ten Commandments is only for Jews.
As a Christian, I find this HIGHLY offensive, Yacov. With all due respect you clearly know nothing about Christianity if you believe the 10 Commandments are not fundamental to the religion.
I was stating the Jewish belief, not the Christian belief. The Jewish belief is that no Gentiles are required to keep The Ten Commandments but rather The Noahide Laws.
Well saying that the Ten Commandments are ONLY for Jews is highly offensive to all Christians. Think before you speak.
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But they still don't keep it the way Jews are supposed to. They just close their stores but still do melacha, which is fine, because they're not supposed to keep it.
As far as I know, Christians are supposed to uphold every one of the Ten Commandments. They're the fundamentals of Christianity. Yes, and you're right that Jews have to keep them, but just as much, plus, keep the other hundred-plus commandments the Torah commands of us.
Christians cannot committ adultery, must honor their neighbor, cannot steal, cannot kill, etc. Those are part of the Ten Commandments.
But the reason they can't do that is because it's in The Noahide Laws. Keeping Shabbat is not in The Noahide Laws. The Ten Commandments is only for Jews. Why don't Christians follow the other 613 mitzvot if they want to keep Shabbat?
The mitzvot is for Jews, as well as the Ten Commandments. Christianity is a derivative of Judaism, but it's a totally different religion, based on their beliefs and what is written in the Christian bible. Christians who break any of the Ten Commandments will be punished. They must uphold the Shabbat, but they observe it on Sunday. They also don't have as many prohibitions to abide.
Who will they be punished by?
By the way, The "Ten" Commandments actually contain 12 mitzvot. In Hebrew The Ten Commandments are called The Ten Sayings. Two of the sayings contain two commandments. I think an example is "Refrain from idol worship." (Positive) and "Don't practice idolatry." (Negative). The Ten Commandments are only a down payment to the rest of The Torah, the rest of which Christians don't follow at all except for occasional things such as not taking interest on loans which they are permitted to by Torah law because they are not Jewish.
Jews must abide all 613 commandments couse they're chosen by G-d to be priestly nation from which the Messiah comes; you're as firstborne sons to HIM; so we shoud not envy one another over the veight of burden of laws couse G-d has pourpose for all his creation. He loves everyone but Jews were first to warship HIM and they carry on Torah his WORD.
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I know what you mean!
Jude
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Please, you are here to disrupt.AME African methodist evangelical.Wow.!
no Erica is cool...
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But they still don't keep it the way Jews are supposed to. They just close their stores but still do melacha, which is fine, because they're not supposed to keep it.
As far as I know, Christians are supposed to uphold every one of the Ten Commandments. They're the fundamentals of Christianity. Yes, and you're right that Jews have to keep them, but just as much, plus, keep the other hundred-plus commandments the Torah commands of us.
Christians cannot committ adultery, must honor their neighbor, cannot steal, cannot kill, etc. Those are part of the Ten Commandments.
But the reason they can't do that is because it's in The Noahide Laws. Keeping Shabbat is not in The Noahide Laws. The Ten Commandments is only for Jews. Why don't Christians follow the other 613 mitzvot if they want to keep Shabbat?
The mitzvot is for Jews, as well as the Ten Commandments. Christianity is a derivative of Judaism, but it's a totally different religion, based on their beliefs and what is written in the Christian bible. Christians who break any of the Ten Commandments will be punished. They must uphold the Shabbat, but they observe it on Sunday. They also don't have as many prohibitions to abide.
Who will they be punished by?
By the way, The "Ten" Commandments actually contain 12 mitzvot. In Hebrew The Ten Commandments are called The Ten Sayings. Two of the sayings contain two commandments. I think an example is "Refrain from idol worship." (Positive) and "Don't practice idolatry." (Negative). The Ten Commandments are only a down payment to the rest of The Torah, the rest of which Christians don't follow at all except for occasional things such as not taking interest on loans which they are permitted to by Torah law because they are not Jewish.
Christians who break any of the Ten Commandents will be punished by G-d. Christianity and Judaism are horses of a different color. They share many of the same principles, but on the whole are totally different.
The Commandments have different interpretations between the two faiths, especially due to the mitzvot that Jews have to abide.
Christianity has little to do with the Torah as a whole. Many of the commands in the Christian bible are derived from the Torah, but most of it is totally different from the Torah.
Comparing the two is almost worthless, because they are so different.
Need a strong example of how different they are? How about when it comes down to the identity of The Messiah? Christians already who their Messiah is. Jews do not.
So, yes, there are, indeed, similarities and derivatives, but you really can't put them in the same boat.
Now, if you're talking about the Jewish point of view that's different.
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O but evil is evil to both?
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But its wrong does that not matter?Yea who cares wat G-d thinks.
you know what then? You don't celebrate it...you can't just ban a fun loving holiday that isn't hurting other people in the mean time... Go some place else to practice what you want...
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Yes. It's an evil holiday. Figures that evil Hispanics came up with it. What is the purpose of celebrating a day of evil demons and other things of pure evil?
Rabbis have debated on whether or not it is a sin for Jews to participate in such a holiday. The majority decided it was OK, and so the Jewish faith does except the evil of this holiday, sadly. Well, I suppose they saw it from the prespective that the day brings young children great joy receiving candy and dressing up. They're too young to revel in the true essence of the holiday.
A holiday based on evil things is quite unappealing. It's unholy, and not something G-d would approve.
Jews have Purim...In my opinion, little JEwish boys and girls should not go trick or treating..but in my opinoin, ithere is a halloween party that one of their friends are having, it's ok to hang out and dress up.
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I voted NO.
I've heard many Christians refer to the New Testement as "the new covenant". Just like Halloween, if you are secure in your faith as a Jew it shouldn't matter.
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wow how deep we get here.Glad to be a part of this!Look I don't hate Jews or Christians who celebrate halloween.We here are for the most part on the same side.Rock on JTF
Jude
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We all agree I believe.Hey Id love a get togather.We should not be afraid, would anyone join me.I know there are arses who would mess with us but if security was right would you come?
wayne jude
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Well lets have a fall get togather.My idea is sincere....
Jude
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But they still don't keep it the way Jews are supposed to. They just close their stores but still do melacha, which is fine, because they're not supposed to keep it.
As far as I know, Christians are supposed to uphold every one of the Ten Commandments. They're the fundamentals of Christianity. Yes, and you're right that Jews have to keep them, but just as much, plus, keep the other hundred-plus commandments the Torah commands of us.
Christians cannot committ adultery, must honor their neighbor, cannot steal, cannot kill, etc. Those are part of the Ten Commandments.
But the reason they can't do that is because it's in The Noahide Laws. Keeping Shabbat is not in The Noahide Laws. The Ten Commandments is only for Jews. Why don't Christians follow the other 613 mitzvot if they want to keep Shabbat?
The mitzvot is for Jews, as well as the Ten Commandments. Christianity is a derivative of Judaism, but it's a totally different religion, based on their beliefs and what is written in the Christian bible. Christians who break any of the Ten Commandments will be punished. They must uphold the Shabbat, but they observe it on Sunday. They also don't have as many prohibitions to abide.
Who will they be punished by?
By the way, The "Ten" Commandments actually contain 12 mitzvot. In Hebrew The Ten Commandments are called The Ten Sayings. Two of the sayings contain two commandments. I think an example is "Refrain from idol worship." (Positive) and "Don't practice idolatry." (Negative). The Ten Commandments are only a down payment to the rest of The Torah, the rest of which Christians don't follow at all except for occasional things such as not taking interest on loans which they are permitted to by Torah law because they are not Jewish.
Christians who break any of the Ten Commandents will be punished by G-d. Christianity and Judaism are horses of a different color. They share many of the same principles, but on the whole are totally different.
The Commandments have different interpretations between the two faiths, especially due to the mitzvot that Jews have to abide.
Christianity has little to do with the Torah as a whole. Many of the commands in the Christian bible are derived from the Torah, but most of it is totally different from the Torah.
Comparing the two is almost worthless, because they are so different.
Need a strong example of how different they are? How about when it comes down to the identity of The Messiah? Christians already who their Messiah is. Jews do not.
So, yes, there are, indeed, similarities and derivatives, but you really can't put them in the same boat.
Now, if you're talking about the Jewish point of view that's different.
Obviously I was speaking of the Jewish point of view. Jews believe that Gentiles can do what if a Jew was doing it would be considered to be desecrating Shabbat or do the same on Sunday and get no punishment at all.
Well, you should've stated you were speaking from a Torah-perspective. Most of our members are Gentiles, and as you can see, you've insulted someone by not being specific.
I was speaking about Christianity from the perspective of Christianity, which is what a Christian's perspective should be, since they don't follow the Torah's teachings.
Christians are going to observe their faith from a Christianity perspective, not from that of Judaism.
As Jews, we have our own perspective on how things should be, but since Christians follow a totally different religion that does not involve the Torah's teachings, Christians are not going to follow the commands of the Torah, only the Christian bible.
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You know, I am probably the only person who feels this way (other than Erica :o), but so be it.
I like Halloween and see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
SOME people abuse it, just like some people abuse Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving. (BTW the first two holidays I listed are pagan holidays too, or at least have had strong pagan influence in their evolution.)
For a long time Halloween was my favorite holiday. Now that I am grown and the worries of the world severely inhibit my ability to partake in it (work, no money for a proper costume, girl troubles, assorted crap), I don't any longer, but I still have a general fondness for the harvest season and pumpkins.
Chaimfan
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You know, I am probably the only person who feels this way (other than Erica :o), but so be it.
I like Halloween and see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
SOME people abuse it, just like some people abuse Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving. (BTW the first two holidays I listed are pagan holidays too, or at least have had strong pagan influence in their evolution.)
For a long time Halloween was my favorite holiday. Now that I am grown and the worries of the world severely inhibit my ability to partake in it (work, no money for a proper costume, girl troubles, assorted crap), I don't any longer, but I still have a general fondness for the harvest season and pumpkins.
Chaimfan
I have this long drawn out discussion in defense of Halloween and you totally left me out? humph!
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Sorry, I came to the thread late... :-[
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Well I'm celebrating Costume Day, gonna dress up like a movie hero, have a lot of laughs and I plan on shmoozing with the lovely women. You religious guys knock yourselves out in your self satisfied sanctamonious objections to this harmless, very American (now, yeah yeah, celtic historical whatever blah blah), tradition, I'll post pictures of myself having a ball. I guess you all will be watching tv that night, er yeah, good luck with that. ;D
Aw come on! Give some us some credit...I"ll be at a convention becoming better at fixing peoples' teeth...eh, maybe a party that weekend will suffice..but then again i go to parties every other saturday night anyhow...
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gonna dress up like a movie hero
what movie hero?
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Keeping Shabbat is not in The Noahide Laws. The Ten Commandments is only for Jews.
As a Christian, I find this HIGHLY offensive, Yacov. With all due respect you clearly know nothing about Christianity if you believe the 10 Commandments are not fundamental to the religion.
I was stating the Jewish belief, not the Christian belief. The Jewish belief is that no Gentiles are required to keep The Ten Commandments but rather The Noahide Laws.
Well saying that the Ten Commandments are ONLY for Jews is highly offensive to all Christians. Think before you speak.
Maybe I can clarify what Yaacov is trying to say:
Non Jews only need to follow the Noahide Laws.
...However...if a nonJew wants to also follow the 10 commandments or more, knock yourselves out! Enjoy
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Yes. It's an evil holiday. Figures that evil Hispanics came up with it. What is the purpose of celebrating a day of evil demons and other things of pure evil?
Rabbis have debated on whether or not it is a sin for Jews to participate in such a holiday. The majority decided it was OK, and so the Jewish faith does except the evil of this holiday, sadly. Well, I suppose they saw it from the prespective that the day brings young children great joy receiving candy and dressing up. They're too young to revel in the true essence of the holiday.
A holiday based on evil things is quite unappealing. It's unholy, and not something G-d would approve.
Jews have Purim...In my opinion, little Jewish boys and girls should not go trick or treating..but in my opinion, ithere is a halloween party that one of their friends are having, it's ok to hang out and dress up.
Purim and Hallowen have no connections at all. If anything, Purim teaches us that if we celebrate Gentile holidays, we will be threatened with annihilation.
I was only comparing the two because in both holidays kids dress up in costumes...except on Purim, kids GIVE candy to each other while in Halloween, kids TAKE candy from strangers.
The principles and stories between the two holidays are completely different. I was only referring to the superficiality of the holidays of wearing costumes and perhaps eating sweets.
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But its wrong does that not matter?Yea who cares wat G-d thinks.
you know what then? You don't celebrate it...you can't just ban a fun loving holiday that isn't hurting other people in the mean time... Go some place else to practice what you want...
Even when I celebrated it, I didn't like the evilness that some people made it into. I didn't like the scary stuff. I just liked the costumes and candy. Regardless of whether people misbehave in celebrating it of if they had a scary theme to it with ghosts and witches, the fact that its origin is in a pagan holiday is reason enough not to celebrate it. It's just like Jews shouldn't celebrate Christmas. There's nothing in Christmas that promotes immorality but the fact that it's a Christian holiday is the reason Jews should not celebrate it.
I agree with you a 100%!
But i will make one comment..why should anyone be afraid of Ghosts and stuff like that? One shoudl only fear Gd and loss of life (maybe)
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gonna dress up like a movie hero
what movie hero?
I haven't decided yet, but it's between, Neo from the Matrix, Capt Jack Sparrow from The Pirates of the Carribbean, or Wolverine from the X-Men, which do you suggest? :D
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Ohhh well I have to go with Jack ;D what girl wouldnt!
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You know what? I think I"m goign to dress up as Chaim ben Pesach wiht the plaid shirt, cap and sunglasses with a hand written T-shirt that states, "In your heart...nuts and guts..forgot the quote..." Someone help me...
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You know what? I think I"m goign to dress up as Chaim ben Pesach wiht the plaid shirt, cap and sunglasses with a hand written T-shirt that states, "In your heart...nuts and guts..forgot the quote..." Someone help me...
In your heart, you know we're right. And in your guts, you know they're nuts.
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gonna dress up like a movie hero
what movie hero?
I haven't decided yet, but it's between, Neo from the Matrix, Capt Jack Sparrow from The Pirates of the Carribbean, or Wolverine from the X-Men, which do you suggest? :D
Wolverine, definately!
I'm taking my kids trick or treating as "MOM" this year. I don't know what my girls want to be though.
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Keeping Shabbat is not in The Noahide Laws. The Ten Commandments is only for Jews.
As a Christian, I find this HIGHLY offensive, Yacov. With all due respect you clearly know nothing about Christianity if you believe the 10 Commandments are not fundamental to the religion.
I was stating the Jewish belief, not the Christian belief. The Jewish belief is that no Gentiles are required to keep The Ten Commandments but rather The Noahide Laws.
Well saying that the Ten Commandments are ONLY for Jews is highly offensive to all Christians. Think before you speak.
Maybe I can clarify what Yaacov is trying to say:
Non Jews only need to follow the Noahide Laws.
...However...if a nonJew wants to also follow the 10 commandments or more, knock yourselves out! Enjoy
But a Non-Jew should not keep Shabbat.
ON a different day of the week..and the way we Jews are supposed to follow shabbat has a lot more rabbinical rules and fences. It's different for the nonJews and believe me..if one non-Jew wanted to follow the sabbath like we are supposed to, it won't harm the world one bit...I do not believe all non Jews will want to follow shabbat because many will go koo koo over not being able to press an elevator button or being able to take hot showers.
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You know what? I think I"m goign to dress up as Chaim ben Pesach wiht the plaid shirt, cap and sunglasses with a hand written T-shirt that states, "In your heart...nuts and guts..forgot the quote..." Someone help me...
How could you forget it, it's in the banner? And Chaim would not want you to do that. But he would like if you did on Purim though.
well, Purim DEFINATELY....on halloween, no one would really get it so it might look lame..
on the other hand, I can be Mr. Afro Jew....yo yo yo whazzzup....shalom lachem!
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Halloween should definitely be banned. It is extremely Pagan and full of things the Bible absolutely forbids. There is no, "Making it nice" and cute.
There is no way to redeem this celebration or make it "positive". How is dressing up like devils, dead people, ghouls and other nightmarish things "positive"? According to the Bible, witch craft is something that, in the Land of Israel anyway is punishable by death. So is sorcery, "communing with the dead", all that kind of junk.
Thats because it is going outside the legal avenues of connecting with the Spiritual Realm. I think Hashem is protecting us when He says "Don't Do That!"
If you want to dress up...just have a costume party! Jews have their own costume parties when we celebrate Purim. (And we certainly don't dress up as Devils or witches...at least, we should not.)
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But a Non-Jew should not keep Shabbat.
This is not true.
The 8th commandment of the famous 10 commandments States: "Remember the Sabbath day, and keep it holy."
Why is it ok for Non Jews to observe all the OTHER 10 commandments, but not the 8th?
If you are a Torah true person, it doesn't matter if you are a Jew or non-Jew...keeping the 10 commandments is something Jews, Christians and Noahides all ought to do.
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But a Non-Jew should not keep Shabbat.
This is not true.
The 8th commandment of the famous 10 commandments States: "Remember the Sabbath day, and keep it holy."
Why is it ok for Non Jews to observe all the OTHER 10 commandments, but not the 8th?
If you are a Torah true person, it doesn't matter if you are a Jew or non-Jew...keeping the 10 commandments is something Jews, Christians and Noahides all ought to do.
100% AGREED!
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But a Non-Jew should not keep Shabbat.
This is not true.
The 8th commandment of the famous 10 commandments States: "Remember the Sabbath day, and keep it holy."
Why is it ok for Non Jews to observe all the OTHER 10 commandments, but not the 8th?
If you are a Torah true person, it doesn't matter if you are a Jew or non-Jew...keeping the 10 commandments is something Jews, Christians and Noahides all ought to do.
It is The Fourth Commandment, not the eighth and it is forbidden by Torah Law for a Gentile to keep Shabbat in the way that Jews do. They can celebrate but are not permitted to refrain from activities Jews can't do on Shabbat.
And since when do Christians follow Torah? Christians follow the Bible.
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I do not think this is a constructive discussion, Christians and Jews have quite a few theological disagreements, we can get all hot under the collar and shout about them, but it's not going to have any possitive effects, we're going to have the same disagreements at the end of the argument, all we could succeed in doing is upsetting eacc other.
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No, I don't think Halloween should be banned. I think we're letting too much "outside" influence, change our standards. What is Halloween anyway? It's just another irrelevant day, which makes kids and dentists happy. Also, it's the principle, if we give up Halloween, what's next? Thanksgiving, Hannukah, Christmas.
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But a Non-Jew should not keep Shabbat.
This is not true.
The 8th commandment of the famous 10 commandments States: "Remember the Sabbath day, and keep it holy."
Why is it ok for Non Jews to observe all the OTHER 10 commandments, but not the 8th?
If you are a Torah true person, it doesn't matter if you are a Jew or non-Jew...keeping the 10 commandments is something Jews, Christians and Noahides all ought to do.
It is The Fourth Commandment, not the eighth and it is forbidden by Torah Law for a Gentile to keep Shabbat in the way that Jews do. They can celebrate but are not permitted to refrain from activities Jews can't do on Shabbat.
And since when do Christians follow Torah? Christians follow the Bible.
Yachov was stating the Jewish belief. We do not belief Gentiles should follow the Ten Commandments. We also do not believe they should worship Christ. This is the Jewish point of view.
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It s a heathen practice.Non Jewish and non Christian...
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Its vile.And pagan.
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Sure, why not ban Purim too while we're at it?
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Why?
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Uh huh, and today it means silly costume, laughs with friends, and the phone number of that cute girl in the Xena the Warrior Princess costume.
I'm starting to sense sour grapes from our party poopers.
This is a religious forum and we don't condone those things on here.
But on a religious forum, it's appropriate to entertain the idea of banning holidays that have nothing to do with us and have absolutely no bearing on our qualities of life?
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More Christians than ever do not celebrate halloween.
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Sure, why not ban Purim too while we're at it?
That is a self-hating comment. The two holidays have nothing in common. Dressing up isn't even the main part of Purim if that's why you compare them. Dressing up is not one of the 4 mitzvot of Purim and I don't dress up for Purim and think it's silly although I did when I was a little kid. I dressed as people from The Megillah. I think it's silly the way people dress up as all these different things like people do on Halloween.
This is not a self-hating comment. I was being sarcastic and was phrasing this from the perspective of a non-Jew saying this to you to see how you would like it, and was trying to point out how much of an "other-hating" and intolerant comment you are exhibiting by posting this type of question.
If you don't like the holiday, then just don't celebrate it. But don't try to impose your beliefs on other people by trying to institute a ban on it. That's just bigoted!
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Uh huh, and today it means silly costume, laughs with friends, and the phone number of that cute girl in the Xena the Warrior Princess costume.
I'm starting to sense sour grapes from our party poopers.
This is a religious forum and we don't condone those things on here.
But on a religious forum, it's appropriate to entertain the idea of banning holidays that have nothing to do with us and have absolutely no bearing on our qualities of life?
No one's banning anything. Do you actually think a fun poll on the forum will actually succeed in banning a holiday? It wouldn't even if it was unanimous.
Oh, okay, so you're just doing this for fun? I'm sorry if I missed the intention behind this. I was taking you seriously. If this is just for the purpose of being silly and having fun, then that's okay. But if you're being serious, then there's something seriously wrong with that.
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Sure, why not ban Purim too while we're at it?
That is a self-hating comment. The two holidays have nothing in common. Dressing up isn't even the main part of Purim if that's why you compare them. Dressing up is not one of the 4 mitzvot of Purim and I don't dress up for Purim and think it's silly although I did when I was a little kid. I dressed as people from The Megillah. I think it's silly the way people dress up as all these different things like people do on Halloween.
This is not a self-hating comment. I was being sarcastic and was phrasing this from the perspective of a non-Jew saying this to you to see how you would like it, and was trying to point out how much of an "other-hating" and intolerant comment you are exhibiting by posting this type of question.
If you don't like the holiday, then just don't celebrate it. But don't try to impose your beliefs on other people by trying to institute a ban on it. That's just bigoted!
I'm not Jewish and have the same opinion as Yacov atleast on this issue; and please Daniel don't try to teach us "tolerance"; you start to sound like one of this liberal selfhating selthrigteus hipocrites of "mosaic persuasion" from UCLA or ADL. They're things more importent that PC idol of "tolerance" the Law of G-d is one of them; if the this holyday is indeed heathen it must be banned from every christian and jewish country.
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Agreed.
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes.
Im in it for the chocolate :D
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes.
Im in it for the chocolate :D
Heading out for Godivas right now ;)
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
You don't date? It's a part of life. Try it some time, you might like it. Nothing in the Torah against it. Are we Jews or Puritans at Jamestown? 8)
lou, we are varied people here, and adults, and nothing overt is being discussed, simply light banter, this thread is about something as silly as Halloween after all. Are you so easily shocked? You should get out more. :D
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
You don't date? It's a part of life. Try it some time, you might like it. Nothing in the Torah against it. Are we Jews or Puritans at Jamestown? 8)
There is a difference between dating and just hitting on women. Dating involves building a relationship whereas hitting on random women is wrong.
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Hey I liked the puritons! :)
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
You don't date? It's a part of life. Try it some time, you might like it. Nothing in the Torah against it. Are we Jews or Puritans at Jamestown? 8)
There is a difference between dating and just hitting on women. Dating involves building a relationship whereas hitting on random women is wrong.
Well hitting on them, or the girls hitting on you, is how you get the first date! ::) Lol, if you're lucky then there's a second and then a third, then you are dating, how do you do it if you don't hit on each other to begin with? :)
Oh and there's nothing random about it, only the attractive interesting ones get hit on! :D
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
You don't date? It's a part of life. Try it some time, you might like it. Nothing in the Torah against it. Are we Jews or Puritans at Jamestown? 8)
lou, we are varied people here, and adults, and nothing overt is being discussed, simply light banter, this thread is about something as silly as Halloween after all. Are you so easily shocked? You should get out more. :D
Dating is to find a wife, not recreation. All other dating is prohibited by Torah Law. Pre-marital kissing and especially pre-marital sex are absolutely forbidden. I don't even hug women. If a woman is really attractive, it's even better not to shake her hand because it is bad for my Evil Inclination.
Hey, I'm 40 kiddo, get back to me in 20 years and let me know if you feel the same way. Best of luck to you though. :)
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
You don't date? It's a part of life. Try it some time, you might like it. Nothing in the Torah against it. Are we Jews or Puritans at Jamestown? 8)
There is a difference between dating and just hitting on women. Dating involves building a relationship whereas hitting on random women is wrong.
there is nothign wrong with hitting on women..if you don't like doing it, then don't do it...some of us here like to talk to pretty women.
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set up with women for marriage
Do you mean as in an arranged marriage?
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That sounds reasonable, but the arranged marriage where someone is told "hey heres your future wife, enjoy" is not cool, imagine marrying somone you just met, its ridiculous.
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Arranged inst the worst thing in the world.
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
You don't date? It's a part of life. Try it some time, you might like it. Nothing in the Torah against it. Are we Jews or Puritans at Jamestown? 8)
lou, we are varied people here, and adults, and nothing overt is being discussed, simply light banter, this thread is about something as silly as Halloween after all. Are you so easily shocked? You should get out more. :D
Dating is to find a wife, not recreation. All other dating is prohibited by Torah Law. Pre-marital kissing and especially pre-marital sex are absolutely forbidden. I don't even hug women. If a woman is really attractive, it's even better not to shake her hand because it is bad for my Evil Inclination.
Hey, I'm 40 kiddo, get back to me in 20 years and let me know if you feel the same way. Best of luck to you though. :)
Well obviously your life style of finding women didn't work. If you would have been set up with women for marriage, you would have been married by now.
Well that's simply circumstancial. I, like a lot a of people, are on their own on this particular aspect of their lives. Out there meeting people, getting into relationships, and they either blossom or not. Some even get married and it doesn't work out (some do), and there you are out there dating again, or you're married forever, but in the modern world, nothing is garunteed.
I for one have been in and out of relationships, some of them lasting for a very long time, but none of them resulting in getting married, and even if so, hey those could have succeeded or failed as well. That's life, no garuntees. I hope you really "luck out" and avoid needing these kinds of reality lessons in the years to come and you meet someone as idealogical as yourself, and she makes sure things stay together. But if you don't luck out, you can't be ridged in your thinking, there's many ways of life that can be quite happy that don't fit into a rigid script of boy meets girl, gets married and makes a family. Sometimes you have what you are dealt, and you make the best of it. Hey, I'm chillin' and loving life, actually, it's a lot of fun not having the traditional responsibilities, and I'm cognizant enough to recognize it. 8)
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People can learn to love each other.Its not what we want but its doable through the pain.
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Arranged inst the worst thing in the world
Depends on who with ;)
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People can learn to love each other.Its not what we want but its doable through the pain.
iagree
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Hallowen has a pagan origin, but so does Christmas...... Do you wish to ban Christmas as well?
What about my custom to celebrate the begginings of seasons. Would you like to take me to jail for that?
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Yes you are right ,however , when two have the right will it is good.
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That sounds reasonable, but the arranged marriage where someone is told "hey heres your future wife, enjoy" is not cool, imagine marrying somone you just met, its ridiculous.
You are so right, kellymaureen. My daughter is doing a report on arranged marriages and what it means to marry someone you don't love, or even know very well for that matter. I am so happy my marriage wasn't arranged. If it was with anyone other than my husband, who knows what I would've ended up with as a husband; an abuser, closet drug addict, a closet homosexual... ((shudders)) I'd have been divorced 5 days after the wedding. lol
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
You don't date? It's a part of life. Try it some time, you might like it. Nothing in the Torah against it. Are we Jews or Puritans at Jamestown? 8)
lou, we are varied people here, and adults, and nothing overt is being discussed, simply light banter, this thread is about something as silly as Halloween after all. Are you so easily shocked? You should get out more. :D
No wonder so many Americans don't know History. Puritans were in New England, not Jamestown.
Even an average Joe Anglican Episcopalian in Jamestown was far more moral than 95% of average westerners lukewarm liberal jews and chritians today the standarts are droping down like the elevator; I'm not puritan I like to enjoy the good live; but it's not the time and place to do it; stop mixing the sacred with profane; This JTF not dating on-line; so please stop this siliness.
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The concept of "marriage for love" is a very recent development coming out of Europe.
Even in Europe, marriages were traditionally considered a form of "alliance", "treaty", and "business contract between two families".
The fact remains that societies which practice "arranged marriages" have the lowest divorce / broken family rates, whereas the more recent "love marriages" are producing a 50% divorce rate within 5 years (or less) of the marriage.
Today, the results of "love marriage" have degenerated even further...in addition to half of all marriages ending in divorce, domestic violence, sexual abuse of children, and homosexuality have become "standard issue" in Western culture.
In addition, the once honorable legal profession has produced "The Divorce Industry"...lawyers have grown so rich litigating broken marriages that they now specialize only in that one field of law.
And, because the first rule of business is "constant growth", the legal profession has been instrumental in supporting each and every condition in society which might result in broken homes; thus increasing their profits made from the misery of innocent children.
The Jews of ancient times practiced arranged marriage because life back then was short and dangerous...invading pagan armies of barbarians marauded all over the known world raping and slaughtering entire cities and villages. Jewish parents would "betroth" their sons and daughters while they were still in childhood, because then the parents knew with a certainty that if they were slaughtered or met with disaster that their children had already been set on a life path predetermined by their parents, and decided on with great deliberation to be in their best interests. In short, the "early betrothal" was a form of "Last Will & Testament" made public by parents to ensure the survival of their children as Jews.
Today still most of the very "Orthodox" Jewish communities practice arranged marriages. I have seen the results of them, and it appears that these families are every bit as happy and stable, if not much more so, than families produced by "love marriages".
Today in the U.S.A., for the first time in history, there are more females living without a husband then there are married females!
Perhaps the wisdom of old endures for a good reason...humankind's basic nature remains unchanged and unaltered, despite advances in technology and standards of living.
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
You don't date? It's a part of life. Try it some time, you might like it. Nothing in the Torah against it. Are we Jews or Puritans at Jamestown? 8)
lou, we are varied people here, and adults, and nothing overt is being discussed, simply light banter, this thread is about something as silly as Halloween after all. Are you so easily shocked? You should get out more. :D
No wonder so many Americans don't know History. Puritans were in New England, not Jamestown.
Even an average Joe Anglican Episcopalian in Jamestown was far more moral than 95% of average westerners lukewarm liberal jews and chritians today the standarts are droping down like the elevator; I'm not puritan I like to enjoy the good live; but it's not the time and place to do it; stop mixing the sacred with profane; This JTF not dating on-line; so please stop this siliness.
Jamestown is in New England genius! And the Jamestown settlers were PURITANS. Look it up, Einstien. So please, spare me "No wonder so many Americans don't know History" garbage. Nothing worse than someone that doesn't know the facts, trying to "correct" someone that does. >:(
And while we're at it, NOTHING profane is being discussed, and nothing sacred for that matter, this is a thread about whether Halloween should be celebrated or not for goodness sake! If you think talking about men and women meeting and starting relationships is profane, you've got a serious problem with emotional repression.
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I'm just happy for the excuse to dress up in a fun costume, and hit on/get hit on, by women, who are also dressed up in fun costumes. :D
In a religious forum I think we should try to avoid inappropriate sexual comments like that....
You don't date? It's a part of life. Try it some time, you might like it. Nothing in the Torah against it. Are we Jews or Puritans at Jamestown? 8)
lou, we are varied people here, and adults, and nothing overt is being discussed, simply light banter, this thread is about something as silly as Halloween after all. Are you so easily shocked? You should get out more. :D
No wonder so many Americans don't know History. Puritans were in New England, not Jamestown.
Even an average Joe Anglican Episcopalian in Jamestown was far more moral than 95% of average westerners lukewarm liberal jews and chritians today the standarts are droping down like the elevator; I'm not puritan I like to enjoy the good live; but it's not the time and place to do it; stop mixing the sacred with profane; This JTF not dating on-line; so please stop this siliness.
Jamestown is in New England genius! And the Jamestown settlers were PURITANS. Look it up, Einstien. So please, spare me "No wonder so many Americans don't know History" garbage. Nothing worse than someone that doesn't know the facts, trying to "correct" someone that does. >:(
And while we're at it, NOTHING profane is being discussed, and nothing sacred for that matter, this is a thread about whether Halloween should be celebrated or not for goodness sake! If you think talking about men and women meeting and starting relationships is profane, you've got a serious problem with emotional repression.
Jamestown was established in Virginia not New England Genius:
The Jamestown Settlement was one of the first English settlements in North America. Named for King James I of England (VI of Scotland), Jamestown was founded in the Virginia Colony on May 14, 1607. In modern times, "Jamestown Settlement" is also a promotional name used by the Commonwealth of Virginia's portion of the historical attractions at Jamestown. It is adjacent and complementary to the Historic Jamestown attraction at Jamestown Island.
by Anglican cavaliers not roundhead Puritans:
Due to the aristocratic backgrounds of many of the new colonists and the communal nature of their work load, progress through the first few years was inconsistent, at best. By 1613, six years after Jamestown's founding, the organizers and shareholders of the Virginia Land Company were desperate to increase the efficiency and profitability of the struggling colony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamestown_Settlement
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Hallowen has a pagan origin, but so does Christmas...... Do you wish to ban Christmas as well?
What about my custom to celebrate the begginings of seasons. Would you like to take me to jail for that?
There may have been pagan festivals in the middle of december in years past, but Christmas is no pagan festival, is is a 100% christian festival. Of course, some may call christians pagans...
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Christians celebrate during this time to hide and not be killed,in Roman times!
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Because I beleive in God I think this satanic "holiday" should be banned >:( :o ::)
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Good
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I even see adults dressed as witches and warlocks,etc... what type of children are they raising if their behavior mimics that of an 10 yr old. This country has been brainwashed by the media and TV commercials as Halloween being a Benign and Innocent Fun holiday. That is just WRONG!
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I agree
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I even see adults dressed as witches and warlocks,etc... what type of children are they raising if their behavior mimics that of an 10 yr old. This country has been brainwashed by the media and TV commercials as Halloween being a Benign and Innocent Fun holiday. That is just WRONG!
Witchcraft isprohibited by both jewish and chritian scriptures. so to hell with halloween. 8;)
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I'm Jewish and I'm not against it at all. It's a fun day for the kids here. What's wrong with that?
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No because I'll have to eat all this candy myself then :laugh:
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Since it's coming up next week, what do people think about this?
I stand by my previous answer, I'm still anti-Halloween.
Good. You are converting to Judaism. You have to be against it!
Where in the Torah or Halacha does it say that you need to be "against" it. How about just not having any involvement with it and just leaving it alone?
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I think Halloween should be banned in favour of Dia de los Muertos. O0
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If things in this country keep going the way they are, your suggestion will probably become reality, Merkava. *gulp* >:( :o
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lol :::D
I was only kidding ! I do like Dia de los Muertos & Halloween. October without Halloween doesn't feel like October to me :(
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lol :::D
I was only kidding ! I do like Dia de los Muertos & Halloween. October without Halloween doesn't feel like October to me :(
Well, with the banning of Halloween and football, pretty soon it won't feel like fall at all anymore. What are we gonna ban next? The fall foliage? ;)
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If you need a friend Im here mary joe.I understand their are lonely people.Take care !
Wayne Jude :)
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But its wrong does that not matter?Yea who cares wat G-d thinks.
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This is offensive and uncalled for.
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But its wrong does that not matter?Yea who cares wat G-d thinks.
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This is offensive and uncalled for.
Thank You Daniel - I was thinking that but didn't want to say it.
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I removed the quote from maryjoe which is an offensive attempt to divide Gentiles and Jews. JTF's goal is to unite Gentiles and Jews. I thank the users for reporting this to me. If something is not appropriate, please do not quote it as this adds more work to the effort of removing it.
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Thanks Take back, and the others dan and yes BullcatLOL.I believe the time has come for us to unite and not divide.Smile! ;)
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Thank You takebackourtemple.
Sorry that I quoted it.
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Smile! ;)
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In a sense Halloween is being banned in our public schools.
It is no longer called Halloween by the schools in our district - and many districts where I live.
It is called Harvest Day! :o
Thanks to the wellness policy - they aren't allowed to have treats in school.
Costumes are not allowed.
It seems to me they're taking all the fun out of being a kid. :'(
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In a sense Halloween is being banned in our public schools.
It is no longer called Halloween by the schools in our district - and many districts where I live.
It is called Harvest Day! :o
Thanks to the wellness policy - they aren't allowed to have treats in school.
Costumes are not allowed.
It seems to me they're taking all the fun out of being a kid. :'(
Very true.
I think that Halloween should be banned in Israel, but in America?
Some of my best childhood memories were of trick-or-treating.
The times they are a changin'.
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In a sense Halloween is being banned in our public schools.
It is no longer called Halloween by the schools in our district - and many districts where I live.
It is called Harvest Day! :o
Thanks to the wellness policy - they aren't allowed to have treats in school.
Costumes are not allowed.
It seems to me they're taking all the fun out of being a kid. :'(
Very true.
I think that Halloween should be banned in Israel, but in America?
Some of my best childhood memories were of trick-or-treating.
The times they are a changin'.
A Jew does not worship the holidays of a non-Jew especially a Pagan holiday
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In a sense Halloween is being banned in our public schools.
It is no longer called Halloween by the schools in our district - and many districts where I live.
It is called Harvest Day! :o
Thanks to the wellness policy - they aren't allowed to have treats in school.
Costumes are not allowed.
It seems to me they're taking all the fun out of being a kid. :'(
Very true.
I think that Halloween should be banned in Israel, but in America?
Some of my best childhood memories were of trick-or-treating.
The times they are a changin'.
A Jew does not worship the holidays of a non-Jew especially a Pagan holiday
What about non-Jews, In AMERICA?
And I'm not talking about worship, I'm talking about kids dressed up in costumes and having fun.
You damn grinch.
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In a sense Halloween is being banned in our public schools.
It is no longer called Halloween by the schools in our district - and many districts where I live.
It is called Harvest Day! :o
Thanks to the wellness policy - they aren't allowed to have treats in school.
Costumes are not allowed.
It seems to me they're taking all the fun out of being a kid. :'(
Very true.
I think that Halloween should be banned in Israel, but in America?
Some of my best childhood memories were of trick-or-treating.
The times they are a changin'.
A Jew does not worship the holidays of a non-Jew especially a Pagan holiday
What about non-Jews, In AMERICA?
And I'm not talking about worship, I'm talking about kids dressed up in costumes and having fun.
You damn grinch.
non-Jews fine, and I'm not a grinch, we Jews have many celebratory holidays, Simchat Torah wasn't too long ago and Chanukah is coming up
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As times come to an end .More and more Christians in America abandoned this perverse holiday.The six of us did 10 years ago.My kids today asked can we dress up and my answer was yes its called a costume party ...Which I love ;) :)
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As times come to an end .More and more Christians in America abandoned this perverse holiday.The six of us did 10 years ago.My kids today asked can we dress up and my answer was yes its called a costume party ...Which I love ;) :)
This holiday existed back in the days when America was GREAT. It couldn't be all bad! >:(
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Fun is fun!We just leave any religious connotations behind.Smile! O0
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
Where do you live?
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
Where do you live?
Australia, and thank god its seen as an American thing and slow to be adopted.
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
Where do you live?
Australia, and thank G-d its seen as an American thing and slow to be adopted.
Aussies couldn't possibly understand. Its an American thing.
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
Where do you live?
Australia, and thank G-d its seen as an American thing and slow to be adopted.
Aussies couldn't possibly understand. Its an American thing.
Well its not an American thing they just stole it and used it to have easy access to little children on the street.
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LOL Aussie!I mean I did as a kid enjoy it but I was ignorant of its meanies.But I don't think heaven and hell are worried as much about this topic as we.....But I could be wrong! :)
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
Where do you live?
Australia, and thank G-d its seen as an American thing and slow to be adopted.
Aussies couldn't possibly understand. Its an American thing.
Well its not an American thing they just stole it and used it to have easy access to little children on the street.
Don't be silly. Halloween is an American creation, for American people.
This is like what would happen if you took 10,000 kangaroos and transplanted them to Arizona. They might survive, but something wouldn't be just right.
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
Where do you live?
Australia, and thank G-d its seen as an American thing and slow to be adopted.
Aussies couldn't possibly understand. Its an American thing.
Well its not an American thing they just stole it and used it to have easy access to little children on the street.
Don't be silly. Halloween is an American creation, for American people.
This is like what would happen if you took 10,000 kangaroos and transplanted them to Arizona. They might survive, but something wouldn't be just right.
God you are so friggin easy :::D
Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).
The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.
To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities.
During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.
By A.D. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain.
The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.
By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.
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LOL :::D
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This is like what would happen if you took 10,000 kangaroos and transplanted them to Arizona. They might survive, but something wouldn't be just right.
Would you like me to FedX them to you ;)
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
Where do you live?
Australia, and thank G-d its seen as an American thing and slow to be adopted.
Aussies couldn't possibly understand. Its an American thing.
Well its not an American thing they just stole it and used it to have easy access to little children on the street.
Don't be silly. Halloween is an American creation, for American people.
This is like what would happen if you took 10,000 kangaroos and transplanted them to Arizona. They might survive, but something wouldn't be just right.
G-d you are so friggin easy :::D
Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).
The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.
To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities.
During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.
By C.E. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain.
The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.
By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in C.E. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.
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I'm talking about the American definition of Halloween, not some historical jargon with no relevance to this discussion.
I'm talking about kids, dressed in costumes, going out at night for fun.
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Silly how would you buy enough boxes?Aussies, all crooks they are.Your trying to rob us ? :::D
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
Where do you live?
Australia, and thank G-d its seen as an American thing and slow to be adopted.
Aussies couldn't possibly understand. Its an American thing.
Well its not an American thing they just stole it and used it to have easy access to little children on the street.
Don't be silly. Halloween is an American creation, for American people.
This is like what would happen if you took 10,000 kangaroos and transplanted them to Arizona. They might survive, but something wouldn't be just right.
G-d you are so friggin easy :::D
Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).
The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.
To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities.
During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.
By C.E. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain.
The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.
By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in C.E. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.
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I'm talking about the American definition of Halloween, not some historical jargon with no relevance to this discussion.
I'm talking about kids, dressed in costumes, going out at night for fun.
You're a troll. This is my opinion.
Does mean you don't love me anymore :-\ :::D
The subject was should halloween be banned, I answered it.
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Silly how would you buy enough boxes?Aussies, all crooks they are.Your trying to rob us ? :::D
I can buy enough boxes, i have your credit card number ^-^ :::D
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no you know I love you very much,sister ;) :)
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I can't wait until this coming Wednesday.
I get to spend the afternoon with one very happy child.
She loves being dressed up. She loves visiting her neighbors.
She loves collecting candy(most of which she hates to eat).
This year she insist on dressing up her puppy(which I will hate to do to a puppy).
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee302/bullcat3/100_1518.jpg)
I wonder how long it will last before he tears his costume off. :::D
I agree with Scriabin. It is a day for children to be children.
Nothing more.
That being said...I can respect our Jewish members who have made me see why they might not want to celebrate it.
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no you know I love you very much,sister ;) :)
Thank you brother ;) O0
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Peace , :)IM falling asleep!Shalom!
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Good Night, be well :)
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you guys to!
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SCR Hello I agree with you take care bro.The family here is going to sleep so I say nite. ;)
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Yes most are already ,you have a nice nite!My wife falls out first then the kids then me and you know dogs.....They never really sleep! ;) :D
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JTF sort of is trick or treat. JTF succeeding in saving Israel and the US would be a nice treat, however, since people don't support it, third world monsters probably will deliver nasty tricks.
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I put yes I seen more bad things happen from that than good. And I hate seeing the stuff being sold in the shops here >:(
Bad bad bad practice!
Where do you live?
Australia, and thank G-d its seen as an American thing and slow to be adopted.
Aussies couldn't possibly understand. Its an American thing.
Well its not an American thing they just stole it and used it to have easy access to little children on the street.
Don't be silly. Halloween is an American creation, for American people.
This is like what would happen if you took 10,000 kangaroos and transplanted them to Arizona. They might survive, but something wouldn't be just right.
G-d you are so friggin easy :::D
Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).
The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.
To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities.
During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.
By C.E. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain.
The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.
By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in C.E. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.
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I'm talking about the American definition of Halloween, not some historical jargon with no relevance to this discussion.
I'm talking about kids, dressed in costumes, going out at night for fun.
Nice piece of editing work O0
The damage is done.
I quoted you and have your comments, whats been said is said.
A man would stand by his words, not attack a women run hide and try and cover them up.
But since you can't rest well with the knowledge of your deeds,
I forgive you little one.
Go in peace.
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This topic caused a lot of controversy! ;)
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Im too old to trick or treat but I will be handing out candy ;)
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I don't want to get shot!LOL :)
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If the little kiddies can scale over my double fences, weave between my guard dogs and survive long enough to ring the bell, that would be a trick 8;)
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Or treat for the pups! ;)
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Knowing my luck they just want to play with the kiddies :-\
In truth they can be very useless.
The are trained solely as adult guard dogs, they are trained to drop and roll over for kids. ;)
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Ahhhhh! :)
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Well two are Pet therapy dogs for childern, they go into the schools and also the hospital childrens ward to visit the sick kids, and babies.
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you have 5 right? :)
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Now I have 5 last week I had 7, two have finished their training and are working in a new home. :)
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Are you one of those sick dog lovers or something,WHy don't you people find your own websites to spam.LOL :::D
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Are you one of those sick dog lovers or something,WHy don't you people find your own websites to spam.LOL :::D
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I'm talking about the American definition of Halloween, not some historical jargon with no relevance to this discussion.
I'm talking about kids, dressed in costumes, going out at night for fun.
You're a troll. This is my opinion.
Nice piece of editing work O0
The damage is done.
I quoted you and have your comments, whats been said is said.
A man would stand by his words, not attack a women run hide and try and cover them up.
But since you can't rest well with the knowledge of your deeds,
I forgive you little one.
Go in peace.
Yawn.
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LOL!yawn :)
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I know it's not a popular holiday here, but, I want to wish my fellow JTFers a
HAPPY HOLLOWEEN!!!
TRICK OR TREAT!!
BOO!!
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I don't want Halloween to be banned. It is one of my favorite holidays.
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Ah, a really good way to make yourself popular, Joe. You'll never get wings this way...
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I know. I still like the holiday. Being born and raised in New York you apprecaite all holidays. Jewish and non-jewish.
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I know. I still like the holiday. Being born and raised in New York you apprecaite all holidays. Jewish and non-jewish.
How about purely gnostic pagan? ;)
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Happy Halloween to you! :o Boo
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I'm trying to have fun with the post I just made. Do some of you have to take this so seriously?
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Thanks Joe, Ive always enjoyed it too...I didnt care what its origins were or are, as a kid I loved dressing up and trick or treating.....and Ill be giving out candy tomorrow and enjoying seeing the little kids in their costumes too ;)
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Thanks Joe, Ive always enjoyed it too...I didnt care what its origins were or are, as a kid I loved dressing up and trick or treating.....and Ill be giving out candy tomorrow and enjoying seeing the little kids in their costumes too ;)
Will your costume this year be a camo bikini/boots with an M-16? ^-^
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Thanks Joe, Ive always enjoyed it too...I didnt care what its origins were or are, as a kid I loved dressing up and trick or treating.....and Ill be giving out candy tomorrow and enjoying seeing the little kids in their costumes too ;)
Will your costume this year be a camo bikini/boots with an M-16? ^-^
Of course not....those are my everyday clothes :laugh: or so some would believe:P
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Happy Halloween to you! :o Boo
Happy Halloween Bullcat jr. Have fun tomorrow and make sure grim reaper dog doesn't eat all your candy ;)
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Of course not....those are my everyday clothes :laugh: or so some would believe:P
Oh don't we wish ;)
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Happy Halloween to you! :o Boo
Happy Halloween Bullcat jr. Have fun tomorrow and make sure grim reaper dog doesn't eat all your candy ;)
Happy Halloween CJD! I can't wait until school is over tomorrow! I think I have to worry about him eating his costume more then the candy! We tried it on him again tonight and he was not happy! >:(
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Yes sin is quite fun.LOL >:(
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Yes sin is quite fun.LOL >:(
Yes thats always is why its a problem. ;)
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WE will and our 4 kids here,will not celebrate this pagan un holy day.MY kids don't need candy thank you.WE can afford our own thanks. :)
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WE will and our 4 kids here,will not celebrate this pagan un holy day.MY kids don't need candy thank you.WE can afford our own thanks. :)
And safer, I read about how people put things in it to hurt the kids, like glass and tacks etc...
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I think there is a saying that goes - To each his own.
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WE will and our 4 kids here,will not celebrate this pagan un holy day.MY kids don't need candy thank you.WE can afford our own thanks. :)
And safer, I read about how people put things in it to hurt the kids, like glass and tacks etc...
Any parent with common sense, who takes their children trick or treating, to the best of their ability checks the candy at the end of the day.
It really isn't about the candy ;) for us - or celebrating evil for that matter.
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Tell God that.LOL ;)
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Happy Holloween to you too, bullcat. I am currently watching "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" on right now on ABC.
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Happy Holloween to you too, bullcat. I am currently watching "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" on right now on ABC.
Thanks Joe - we were watching it too - it's a classic!
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WE love masquerade party's.halloween is a different beast. :)
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SO bottom line IS .....Happy Hell oween!I mean happy Halloween! O0
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YES, all can be traced back to the beginning! :)
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You know yacov my church with about 3000 worshipers does not condone halloween and we mostly don't.WE are [yeah i know] Evangelicals and believe the word of God is real.Torah for JEWS.EITHER way this behavior is not honoring to GOD! >:(
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So why are Western monotheists still celebrating these pagan holidays? I find them interesting for academic reasons but I don't condone Jews or Righteous Gentiles participating in them.
The Pagan Hollidays when converted to Christian ones by early medival church to get all those people who were interested more in rituals and fun not than in essence; and to undermine all pagan concurention becouse they so were popular: for ex: the 25 of December was the day of birth of solar god Sol Invictus and Saturnalia ; Jews have their own Holidays which shud be celebrated by them like Hanukah; other western "monotheists" don't have an alternative; I "celebrate" christmas only when I'm with my parents who're catholics. The Great Sunday is much more important Holiday anyway and it's not pagan.
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We Call ,what most call easter...Resurrection Day. :)ULtra
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No. It's fun. Who doesn't love a good party?
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No. It's fun. Who doesn't love a good party?
Then celebrate at a Purim party or have a Secular dance party. Why does it have to be for a pagan holiday?
In my opinion, Halloween goes beyond pagan, IMHO, it's Satanic.
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No. It's fun. Who doesn't love a good party?
Then celebrate at a Purim party or have a Secular dance party. Why does it have to be for a pagan holiday?
I do celebrate at Purim parties and other parties. Why can't I celebrate a so-called pagan holiday?
You are the one who is asking whether Halloween should be banned. BANNED? You want to ban Halloween? With all due respect, that proposal flies in the face of the freedom I cherish living here in the United States.
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No. It's fun. Who doesn't love a good party?
Then celebrate at a Purim party or have a Secular dance party. Why does it have to be for a pagan holiday?
In my opinion, Halloween goes beyond pagan, IMHO, it's Satanic.
Should all things that are considered satanic by a miniscule number of people be banned?
All of Iran considers the United States to be the 'Great Satan'. Should the United States be dissolved?
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I kept the kids home today.Its only right .I don't have to allow my children to observe a rite of halloween.Then i treat [LOL} them for obeying God! :)
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It's terrible what these kids are doing in the street... eggs and shaving cream all over! :o
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MY family is at Church tonite.I know I should be there too!
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Remember in Detroit they called it devils night.And arson was everywhere?
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I Didn't know. :)
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I had a great afternoon trick or treating with my child!
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I had a great afternoon trick or treating with my child!
How did reaper dog do?
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Excellent!
He never once tried to take his costume off.
He was very protective of BullCat Jr. and he even picked up some dog treats from the neighbors along the way. O0
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If the kids want to look really scary they should dress as muslims.
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The more you ban things the more power you give them...think prohibition, or marijuana laws..............lead by example, if everyone did there would be no problems.......
Brujas >:( :::D
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The more you ban things the more power you give them...think prohibition, or marijuana laws..............lead by example, if everyone did there would be no problems.......
Brujas >:( :::D
Follow the logic a bit further, let's legalise murder, so that it's no longer "underground", and so less people will do it...
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Hey Yacov, how about bringing up this topic, again and again? But if I bring up something again and again, I get bashed for it. Sometimes you guys redfine the word "Chutzpah."
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Evil is evil.Chose how you like.Make any excuses.The choose is yours.Never mock right.Mock evil. ;)
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Evil is evil.Chose how you like.Make any excuses.The choose is yours.Never mock right.Mock evil. ;)
Instead of mocking it we should fight evil ;)
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It all depends on how you define murder........ O0
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It all depends on how you define murder........ O0
Murder is defined by God's law and there is no other way to define it is there?
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Yes Infidel I agree!
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Yes Infidel I agree!
Some time ago I had the Jehovah Wittiness's banging on my door and one of the points they were trying to make was that pagan holidays like Halloween should be put to an end. I have a problem with people like this forcing their belief's on me and to be honest I dislike people proselytizing at my door step. Halloween is a fun day for kids to get out and have some fun nothing more. Not many people think of it being a day connected with religion. I won't repeat what I told the witness to go and do with themselves but thinking about it now it was a good suggestion for miserable people like that.
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LOL :)
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We go out right after school. I don't take bullcat jr. out after it's dark.
:o It was a beauftiful afternoon. Then we come home and hand out our candy. 8;)
I had a Jehovah Witness ask me what Thanksgiving was. I wanted to ask her what country she lived in. You may not observe a holiday...that I understand but to be born and raised in the U.S. - you definitely know there is a Thanksgiving Holiday. I gave her the same advice you gave your Jehovah Witness ;) CJD.
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We go out right after school. I don't take bullcat jr. out after it's dark.
:o It was a beauftiful afternoon. Then we come home and hand out our candy. 8;)
I had a G-d Witness ask me what Thanksgiving was. I wanted to ask her what country she lived in. You may not observe a holiday...that I understand but to be born and raised in the U.S. - you definitely know there is a Thanksgiving Holiday. I gave her the same advice you gave your G-d Witness ;) CJD.
Yes them filthy proselytizers only bring out the best in people. They should read the old book How to Win over Friends and Influence people before going around. It was a nice day here on Long Island and the kids and their parents were having a great time going around from house to house trick or treating. Its a great way to meet the neighbors ::) Whats wrong with that?
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The more you ban things the more power you give them...think prohibition, or marijuana laws..............lead by example, if everyone did there would be no problems.......
Brujas >:( :::D
Follow the logic a bit further, let's legalise murder, so that it's no longer "underground", and so less people will do it...
Murder is a crime, Halloween is not.
In Australian States where prostitution was legalised, the results were positive. When it was illegal, it still took place, but it was the domain of underworld criminals, organised crime and drug dealers. Women could also be forced into it with little legal recourse. Women were being murdered all the time because they were forced (by law) to work alone.
Since legalisation and regulation, the crims are (for the most part) out. The women are much safer (being allowed to work in company or hire security) and the industry is heavily regulated with strict health checks and non-residential area zoning.
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The more you ban things the more power you give them...think prohibition, or marijuana laws..............lead by example, if everyone did there would be no problems.......
Brujas >:( :::D
Follow the logic a bit further, let's legalise murder, so that it's no longer "underground", and so less people will do it...
Murder is a crime, Halloween is not.
In Australian States where prostitution was legalised, the results were positive. When it was illegal, it still took place, but it was the domain of underworld criminals, organised crime and drug dealers. Women could also be forced into it with little legal recourse. Women were being murdered all the time because they were forced (by law) to work alone.
Since legalisation and regulation, the crims are (for the most part) out. The women are much safer (being allowed to work in company or hire security) and the industry is heavily regulated with strict health checks and non-residential area zoning.
And if they are not 100% healthy they get medical care.
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The more you ban things the more power you give them...think prohibition, or marijuana laws..............lead by example, if everyone did there would be no problems.......
Brujas >:( :::D
Follow the logic a bit further, let's legalise murder, so that it's no longer "underground", and so less people will do it...
Drugs are NOT like murder, drugs are going to happen WHATEVER the law on them is. It would be safer to legalize and therefore control the quality of drugs. Murder, on the other hand would occur left right and centre if it were legal. Look at smoking, it is a good thing that it is legal. The addicts get their fix, smoking is (relatively) safe due to the manufacture being controlled by the government, not everyone smokes (only idiots). But these idiots are not endangering their life (on the short term).
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Halloween is a pagan holiday worse than valentines day. Halloween is one holiday I am looking into a small bit, but due to my need to know what it is all about I, in the future, will dig deeper into it. I want to dig deep into it to teach the truth of it. I know there is a lot about the holiday that is very frightening, and I have been informed that it is worse, so I will be studying it more and update everyone on it and hopefully many will turn away from the holiday.
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Halloween is a pagan holiday worse than valentines day. Halloween is one holiday I am looking into a small bit, but due to my need to know what it is all about I, in the future, will dig deeper into it. I want to dig deep into it to teach the truth of it. I know there is a lot about the holiday that is very frightening, and I have been informed that it is worse, so I will be studying it more and update everyone on it and hopefully many will turn away from the holiday.
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It is a fact that the origins of a lot of European holidays aren't Jewish.
So what?
They are holidays of the original Europeans, that weren't rooted out by the Church.
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This topic has been brought up again? If I did this, I will get blasted for it.
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Banning it would be like them banning cigarettes, its a right for people to do it and if people want to hand out candy, all the power to them. Its just a fun little holiday that is now part of capitalism, so if your against Halloween your against Capitalism.
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Banning it would be like them banning cigarettes, its a right for people to do it and if people want to hand out candy, all the power to them. Its just a fun little holiday that is now part of capitalism, so if your against Halloween your against Capitalism.
They have banned many things to do with cigarettes here :(