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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: admin on October 07, 2007, 11:09:13 PM
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I was thinking of what holiday we should ban next so this is what I came up with.
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I dont think very many people here even celebrate this do they?
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Yacov, no offense but this really is getting a bit ridiculous. We have all said our opinions on celebrating foreign holidays and we won't need to go through holiday by holiday.
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can we have beer and tacos?NO I think we must not forget our past Yacov.
wayne jude!
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May 5th is just a regular work day for me. I voted to ban it on the basis that it's a Mexican holiday and I'm not a lover of Mexican culture.
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Let them address their own silly celebrations.They mean nada to me!But I love your heart yakov!As do Ibelieve God does as well!
wayne Jude.
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May 5th is just a regular work day for me. I voted to ban it on the basis that it's a Mexican holiday and I'm not a lover of Mexican culture.
Same here, except that I want to add that I refuse to celebrate the holidays of the invaders.
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ah...yaacov is having fun...i like seeing that.
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ah...yaacov is having fun...i like seeing that.
Yeah, now we have to do something about loosening up lou a little. ;)
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Yacov is kool
wayne jude
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We shouldn't have non-American holidays to begin with.
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Who doesn't like tex mex food?
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This one I'm going to have to say no to. Hispanics have a right to celebrate this holiday in America. There are SOME good Hispanics in the country, who contribute meaningful things. But the majority of Hispanics are illegal, so, they have the right to celebrate it back in Mexico.
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This one I'm going to have to say no to. Hispanics have a right to celebrate this holiday in America. There are SOME good Hispanics in the country, who contribute meaningful things. But the majority of Hispanics are illegal, so, they have the right to celebrate it back in Mexico.
The vast majority of "Hispanics" that you're talking about are not even real Hispanics. They are mestizos.
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Who doesn't like tex mex food?
Love it!
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Same here, except that I want to add that I refuse to celebrate the holidays of the invaders.
Good point. Diane Sawyer of ABC interviewed the president of Mexico (some of the interview was shown Sunday and some will be shown on Monday) and his responses were ridiculous, irresponsible, outrageous, etc.
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This one I'm going to have to say no to. Hispanics have a right to celebrate this holiday in America. There are SOME good Hispanics in the country, who contribute meaningful things. But the majority of Hispanics are illegal, so, they have the right to celebrate it back in Mexico.
The vast majority of "Hispanics" that you're talking about are not even real Hispanics. They are mestizos.
Worse they're bunch of crazu rascist nazi amerindians like MECHA aztlan group who hate every european including spanish catholics and jews not only anglo lutheranos; Do you know that there's no monumnet for great Hernan Cortes in all Mexico; the man who liberated them from Aztec tiranny and massive bloody sacrifaces? mayority of creols from Northern New Mexico doesn't consider themselfs "mexican" they're descendents of spanish settlers; they lived under Spanish crown for 250 years and under "Mexico" for only 25 years. They just like Argentinians or Cubans exiles ligving in Miami the real Spanish Americans.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/14851.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztl%C3%A1n
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexica_Movement
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intestines and guts don't sound good?HOW about pigs feet .Kosher of course LOL
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LOL
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really?
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Yacov, what is black food?
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Yacov, what is black food?
Humans with a side of monkey brains
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Lol ewwww there goes dinner :D
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Lol ewwww there goes dinner :D
You asked honey ;)
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I think we should keep Cinco de Mayo. I love that celebration. :D I remember celebrating back in elementary school. A bunch of black kids do-see-do'ing around the May Pole. :D It was fun. :D
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Oh I see, Im not sure if cornbread and grits are "black food" lol but I do like both ;)(hard to get up here though)
I also like foods from different places, I dont mind trying new foods as long as they dont contain any ingredients from my yuck list:P
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I think we should keep Cinco de Mayo. I love that celebration. :D I remember celebrating back in elementary school. A bunch of black kids do-see-do'ing around the May Pole. :D It was fun. :D
Did you know the May Pole is also pagan? What is it with you schvartzas liking all the pagan holidays? The rest of the forum is firmly against those customs. Not to mention that The May Pole Holiday was made into the Communist May Day, a double reason not to celebrate it.
Geez, let me be happy for one second man! I WAS IN 3rd grade what do you want from me? And if I DID know of pegan holidays like Halloween, I would still celebrate it , like some people here do without a problem. Its only bad if you bring bad into it. Did you call anyone else here schvartza for being okay with Halloween? Don't call me a name that you wouldn't call your friends here.
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Oh I see, Im not sure if cornbread and grits are "black food" lol but I do like both ;)(hard to get up here though)
I also like foods from different places, I dont mind trying new foods as long as they dont contain any ingredients from my yuck list:P
Cornbread and Grits are Southern foods.
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Well they are FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love those!!
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Oh I see, Im not sure if cornbread and grits are "black food" lol but I do like both ;)(hard to get up here though)
I also like foods from different places, I dont mind trying new foods as long as they dont contain any ingredients from my yuck list:P
Cornbread and Grits are Southern foods.
Yes your right Southern Foods. I like grits and corn bread myself. I have the grits most mornings I am home. Quaker Oats makes a great instant grits ;)
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Yes I make the instant ones, not really the same as the ones I get when I go down south...but they have to do, no one around here knows how to make a decent grit ;)
And cornbread is the BEST!
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Yes I make the instant ones, not really the same as the ones I get when I go down south...but they have to do, no one around here knows how to make a decent grit ;)
And cornbread is the BEST!
I put sugar on my grits if you want to flip southerners out try that in a restaurant down south. I got dirty looks with that to no end the last time I was in North Carolina. And yes cornbread is the best :)
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I think we should keep Cinco de Mayo. I love that celebration. :D I remember celebrating back in elementary school. A bunch of black kids do-see-do'ing around the May Pole. :D It was fun. :D
What does the May Pole have to do with Cinco De Mayo?
I remember dancing around the May Pole in the school yard when I was a real little girl - believe me - no one was celebrating Cinco De Mayo back then.
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My first grit experience in Georgia, people were putting butter and salt on them so of course I thought I would fit right in if I did the same.....and they were pretty good like that:P
My yankee accent gave me away though :laugh:
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Well they are FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love those!!
Yes, they are. lol
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I think we should keep Cinco de Mayo. I love that celebration. :D I remember celebrating back in elementary school. A bunch of black kids do-see-do'ing around the May Pole. :D It was fun. :D
What does the May Pole have to do with Cinco De Mayo?
I remember dancing around the May Pole in the school yard when I was a real little girl - believe me - no one was celebrating Cinco De Mayo back then.
I was thinking MAY then... Like I said I was 8 years old. I didn't know the difference between Cinco De Mayo or any other day celebrated in may. I just liked the maypole. I do remember we dressed up in flaminco style outfits though.
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I dont' think holidays celebrated by other peoples should be banned by us or even suggested.
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How is it in the United States this is even a noticed holiday? They post it everywhere
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ah May 5th is Mexican independence day?
Then it shoudl be celebrated by mexicans in their country..or if they are american citizens amongst themselves..
Just as Jews/ISraelis celebrate Israeli indpendence day..
see? I dont' beleive in double standards..If i'm goign to hate it when mexicans do it here, then I shoudl hate it when Jews do their thing here.
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And stupid American idiots except this. Shows how mindless people are. Cinco De Mayo? What the frig is that? And on everything they actually say "Happy Cinco De Mayo" I say I will be happy when they gtfo go to Cancun with their burros, the sombrerro and the 20 members of their families sneaking in.
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Yes, I mean they don't celebrate Fourth of July in Mexico so why have it here?
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Well....
Mexican Independence day is Sep 16th
5 de mayo is not Independence day, it's when Mexicans defeated the French.
Many don't even celebrate it in Mexico. But the illegals sure love to celebrate it here.
It's so freaking hilarious that they make a huge deal out of beating the French. Who freaking cares, that's like beating the Knicks or the Devil Rays!
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Cinco De Mayo?? I thought it was Stinko De Mayo!!!
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I was thinking of what holiday we should ban next so this is what I came up with.
So you want to ban a people's Holiday like the Nazis and other European anti-Semites banned Jewish holidays? Who would have known, a Jew in SS uniform.
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ah May 5th is Mexican independence day?
Then it shoudl be celebrated by mexicans in their country..or if they are american citizens amongst themselves..
Just as Jews/ISraelis celebrate Israeli indpendence day..
see? I dont' beleive in double standards..If i'm goign to hate it when mexicans do it here, then I shoudl hate it when Jews do their thing here.
...but Dr. Dan how recognized, in America, is Israeli Independence Day?
Cinco De Mayo is shoved down our throats.
The day I go to work and see little Israeli flags sticking out of the cafeteria food, on Israeli Independence Day, or cafeteria workers wearing a kippah - is the day I'll stop being irritated by having Cinco De Mayo shoved down my American throat.
No offense meant - but Cinco De Mayo seems to be the double standard.
Any minute now the children in my daughter's school will be inundated with reproducibles touting Cinco De Mayo. In 3 1/2 years I have yet to get one paper home acknowledging Israeli Independence Day or even Columbus Day ( a national holiday)! ;)
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I was thinking of what holiday we should ban next so this is what I came up with.
So you want to ban a people's Holiday like the Nazis and other European anti-Semites banned Jewish holidays? Who would have known, a Jew in SS uniform.
That is completely uncalled for, you owe an apology
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I agree with Yehudit and Masterwolf. That was totally uncalled for.
You owe Yacov an apology for calling him a nazi.
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I agree with Yehudit and Masterwolf. That was totally uncalled for.
You owe Yacov an apology for calling him a nazi.
Completely agree, he owes for an apology, Yacov is our righteous Kahanist member. O0
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The behavior you're calling for is the same behavior the Nazis had towards the Jews.
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Oh so now you're comparing our great senior administrator Yacov to illegal alien invaders? I strongly recommend you apologize to Yacov unless you want to get banned.
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why should cinco de mayo be banned, should also yom haatzmauut be banned in America
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The behavior you're calling for is the same behavior the Nazis had towards the Jews.
Your comparison is weak and NO excuse for insulting Yacov, who is a great Administrator!
You like to insult people, you insult Moses and now you call a righteous Jew a nazi!
Nazis killed innocent people, millions of innocent Jews. We DO NOT joke about nazis here!You cannot make this ghastly comparison because no one here is trying to cause a mass genocide like the nazis did and no one here advocated racial aryan superiority! Therefore there is no comparison!
You can take your insults and keep them to yourself. You could have disagreed with Yacov without calling him a nazi that was very wrong.
And if you insist on calling Jews "nazis" then you're in the wrong forum. After the horrible things you said about Moses, and now this I really question what you are doing here!
And what did the Nazis do before they killed millions of innocent Jews? Why, they banned Jewish holidays, just like Ben Rachamim wants to ban a Mexican holiday.
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It was an honest question, and pragmatic at that. The people who on the outwardly boast of their righteousness are usually the most kinky on the inside, doing G-d knows what when the door's closed.
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Khazan, you just don't stop, do you? I suggest you apologize immediately. If not, Yehudit or I will ban you. And that's a promise.
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Khazan is losing out his welcome here, if he keep this up I too will support the ban.
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Khazan is losing out his welcome here, if he keep this up I too will support the ban.
I don't support the ban. I don't support ANY banning!
And I don't support this trigger-happiness.
I support Rabbi Kahane, and I'm sure he would NOT support these behaviors.
Building mass movement? Really? With you guys at the helm?
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Archie, this is a religious forum. Deragatory comments about Moses will not be tolerated. Neither will asking other members about masturbation.
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Archie, this is a religious forum. Deragatory comments about Moses will not be tolerated. Neither will asking other members about masturbation.
I hear you.
I just hate to see when members are threatened, in public discussions, by the staff.
By flexing out your power user's muscles in public like this, you alienate regular members like myself.
I'm just saying that this movement can't really grow unless everybody can fell safe to express their opinions, without the fear of being smacked behind the head all the time.
If someone steps out of line, a private warning is warranted. Not this finger pointing cr@p!
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Fair enough Archie.
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Fair enough Archie.
Cool :)
I like you Lisa ;)
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i think it shoudl be ignored and treated like any other day..by doing that, people will not remember cinco de mayo.
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Just ban illegal aliens and deport them.
It's not "Cinco de Mayo" that is a problem.
It's just the sheer numbers of illegal invaders who celebrate it which are our problem.
There are plenty of all-American citizens of Mexican descent, and like all other Americans, they have the right to celebrate their ancestral heritage if they choose.
We Jews are faced with a rather unique situation, because of all peoples we were without our ancestral land for two thousand years.
We to a greater or lesser degree honored our Biblical history and mitzvot, and only 60 years ago witnessed the rebirth of a Jewish nation in our native land.
The Irish and Germans have never considered that their ancestral homeland would be erased from the face of the Earth.
We Americans of Jewish ancestry certainly now can honor our ancestral homeland's unique history, the same as the Irish honor their heritage.
Those who "accuse" Jews of "dual-loyalty" are the same ones who stop in the checkout line at the grocery store to stare at the "latest scoop on Prince Harry or Lady Di".
'Nuff said.
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Just ban illegal aliens and deport them.
It's not "Cinco de Mayo" that is a problem.
It's just the sheer numbers of illegal invaders who celebrate it which are our problem.
There are plenty of all-American citizens of Mexican descent, and like all other Americans, they have the right to celebrate their ancestral heritage if they choose.
Very good analysis! I agree with you 100% .
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I have to disagree about these "threats" and how it will "put people off"
Khazan has been provocing everyone for months now. He's said some horrible sexual things against Moses that are just TOO horrible to even mention! In fact, the things he said are so horrible that even non-moderator members "pointed the finger" at him and told him that he should stop and warned that he should be banned. And then he calls a righteous member a nazi and doesn't stop.
As a moderator I DO have to call someone who does something like that "out" and I am sorry if it bothers people, but there is nothing I can do about it, it's my job. I have been given the task to stop that foul language and behavior.
And they are not "threats", they are warnings. And I repeat it, if someone insults Moses like that, I will tell them that I will have to ban them. We cannot just let it go and cannot send them PMs about it asking them to "please stop" for the sake of people not being "put off".
If a nazi troll comes in the forum to post nazi pictures, must we PM the person and "warn" them?
Also, many people told Khazan to stop insulting Moses and to apologize and he said "I will not apologize". Can someone like that be "warned" in PM ?
I understand your concern, it's very logical. But the important thing is that people don't get "threatened" I mean, you tell me how many people get "threatened" in the forum? (although it's actually warned, not threatened) How many people on the forum fear for their membership because they are "threatened" by us ? The reality is that the only ones who do get these warnings are nazi trolls , those who post porn, and people like khazan who have been warned several times and who post anti-Torah things. THOSE are the ones who get 'threatend" NOT regular good JTFers.
And many members agree with the warnings we give and are not put off by them.
So as long as people post things that are respectful to the Torah and post things that are not out of line, there is no need to worry about getting "threatened".
In other words, those who are good members have nothing to fear.
Before I leave I want to make some final points:
- These "threats" warnings we give are ONLY directed to those who are trolls, perverts, and insult the Torah in such a horrible manner and the non-moderator members AGREE with the warnings we give to those who are disrespectful. In fact many non-mod members actually request for the person to get banned.
- Someone may say they joined for what Rabbi Kahane believed in and not for people to get "threatened" and "banned" which is a logical and valid statement. However, what do you think Rabbi Kahane would do if he hears someone post horrible sexual derogatory things against Moses? Would Rabbi Kahane be ok with people making fun of Moses and other righteous Jews like that? I don't think so.
And finally, if it were a good member who was "threatened" then I would agree, but Khazan was warned repeatedly and he said he would never apologize. He was being too disrespectful and this is just something we must do. As bad as it feels, we must protect the forum and the good members, because they do not deserve to have someone like Khazan post such filth. Khazan is not a good example of someone who could be "warned" in a PM either. He was unremorseful and continued his perversion.
Darn, I'm so sorry I took such a long page to write this. But I want you to understand that when these warnings are given, it's necessary and not done foolishly and people are not put off, because some report it and ask for us to stop them or to ban them. And that those who are not trolls, have nothing to worry about.
I could not agree more O0
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I also agree with Yehudit. It's our job to keep order on this forum.
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I also agree with Yehudit. It's our job to keep order on this forum.
...and you all do an excellent job!
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And what did the Nazis do before they killed millions of innocent Jews? Why, they banned Jewish holidays, just like Ben Rachamim wants to ban a Mexican holiday.
I am going to tell you just like it is. I had enough of this period! You are very disrespectful.
Your comparison is weak and YOU need to show Yacov proper respect (and be respectful to Moses). Yacov is a good righteous Jew. You have problems because you take everything so "seriously" and you make fun of everything!
Your comparison is not worthy of an answer. Yet, I will say it once and for all. The nazis planned mass genocide. The Europeans had been hunting Jews for many many centuries. Killing them, torturing them, humiliating Jews, taking their possessions and many many more horrible things!
The nazis just went a step further and plotted to put all Jews in camps and kill them.
The difference is simple:
-Jews in Europe had always been peaceful residents for many, many years.
-5 de Mayo is NOT even a holiday in Mexico, it is not celebrated in Mexico (only in one/two regions and by very few people). It's a farce "holiday" that illegals who have not been peaceful residents for centuries are making cities, states and other "mulitcultural" public agencies celebrate in other to be "culturally sensitive" to illegal aliens. Even St. Patrick's is celebrated by the descendants of LEGAL immigrants but 5 de mayo is a FARCE than people in Mexico don't even care about.
And YOU! You don't stop. You insult Moses, making sexually inappropriate comments about MOSES!! And then you call a righeous Jew in this forum a nazi?
This is my formal warning to you, I will have to ban you from this forum unless you stop these attacks.
You messed up, your nazi comparison is vile and it doesn't work since there is no comparison. Apples and oranges. It's wrong and yet you still keep going.
So it's up to you
i have to say your arguments are extremely weak. who cares if Mexicans dont celebrate in Meixco. Cinco de Mayo has nothing to do with being culturally sensative but rather a Mexican victory against the French. FYI AMERICA supported Mexico during this war in the 1860's. Banning Cinco De Mayo would be near retarted since it would give a reason for Mexicans to complain about unfairness( which they would rightfully have had). And does it really make a difference that Many millions of illegal immigrants are Mexican. Mexican legal immigrants also celebrate this holiday so you would have no justified reason for doing this. Banning an immigrants group cultural holiday is infact one of the most unamerican things to do. And i cant believe people would consider this.
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Must we worry about every group that complains about unfairness?
We are going to drown under the weight of 'political correctness'.
When did we start celebrating Cinco De Mayo anyway? :D
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And what did the Nazis do before they killed millions of innocent Jews? Why, they banned Jewish holidays, just like Ben Rachamim wants to ban a Mexican holiday.
I am going to tell you just like it is. I had enough of this period! You are very disrespectful.
Your comparison is weak and YOU need to show Yacov proper respect (and be respectful to Moses). Yacov is a good righteous Jew. You have problems because you take everything so "seriously" and you make fun of everything!
Your comparison is not worthy of an answer. Yet, I will say it once and for all. The nazis planned mass genocide. The Europeans had been hunting Jews for many many centuries. Killing them, torturing them, humiliating Jews, taking their possessions and many many more horrible things!
The nazis just went a step further and plotted to put all Jews in camps and kill them.
The difference is simple:
-Jews in Europe had always been peaceful residents for many, many years.
-5 de Mayo is NOT even a holiday in Mexico, it is not celebrated in Mexico (only in one/two regions and by very few people). It's a farce "holiday" that illegals who have not been peaceful residents for centuries are making cities, states and other "mulitcultural" public agencies celebrate in other to be "culturally sensitive" to illegal aliens. Even St. Patrick's is celebrated by the descendants of LEGAL immigrants but 5 de mayo is a FARCE than people in Mexico don't even care about.
And YOU! You don't stop. You insult Moses, making sexually inappropriate comments about MOSES!! And then you call a righeous Jew in this forum a nazi?
This is my formal warning to you, I will have to ban you from this forum unless you stop these attacks.
You messed up, your nazi comparison is vile and it doesn't work since there is no comparison. Apples and oranges. It's wrong and yet you still keep going.
So it's up to you
i have to say your arguments are extremely weak. who cares if Mexicans dont celebrate in Meixco. Cinco de Mayo has nothing to do with being culturally sensative but rather a Mexican victory against the French. FYI AMERICA supported Mexico during this war in the 1860's. Banning Cinco De Mayo would be near retarted since it would give a reason for Mexicans to complain about unfairness( which they would rightfully have had). And does it really make a difference that Many millions of illegal immigrants are Mexican. Mexican legal immigrants also celebrate this holiday so you would have no justified reason for doing this. Banning an immigrants group cultural holiday is infact one of the most unamerican things to do. And i cant believe people would consider this.
It should not be banned but it should not be rammed down the throats of the American people. Mexicans can celebrate it to their harts content.
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but rather a Mexican victory against the French.
I'm sorry but in case you didn't know, 5 de mayo is was not a "victory" over the French. It was one won battle but then after "5 de mayo" the French TOOK Over Mexico anyways. There was no real victory. It's just a farce "holiday". If anything people should celebrate the REAL victory over the French 5 years after "5 de mayo".
And i cant believe people would consider this.
Too bad but it is a forum where people have many different opinions. Not everyone likes everything but it's not going to change.
yes but unfortuantely becuase of some unnamed moderaters different opinions are not allowed here. And another point who are you to tell people when a holiday should really be seperated. Some nations national holidays are losses in battle. So that it is another weak point.
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yes but unfortuantely becuase of some unnamed moderaters different opinions are not allowed here. And another point who are you to tell people when a holiday should really be seperated. Some nations national holidays are losses in battle. So that it is another weak point.
Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about now.
your point that Mexicans should actually celebrate their victory instead of cinco de mayo
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yes but unfortuantely becuase of some unnamed moderaters different opinions are not allowed here. And another point who are you to tell people when a holiday should really be seperated. Some nations national holidays are losses in battle. So that it is another weak point.
Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about now with your "unnamed moderaters" thing.
I think you're a little worked up with your "who are you" lecture, there buddy. I'm not the only one in jTF against the forcing of "5 de mayo":. I can have my own opinions, too bad if you don't like it but I fail to see how this 'who are you lecture" will help the universe.
In any events I could do the same and tell you "WHO ARE YOU to tell me what to think"
Geez, calm down dude. everyone is having a civilized discussion and then you come in with your telling people "weak arguments" and your "who are you" thing.
We must take a "chill" pill and remember that it's a forum of different opinions, period.
"forum of different opinions" in your dreams
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yes but unfortuantely becuase of some unnamed moderaters different opinions are not allowed here. And another point who are you to tell people when a holiday should really be seperated. Some nations national holidays are losses in battle. So that it is another weak point.
Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about now.
your point that Mexicans should actually celebrate their victory instead of cinco de mayo
Who cares really, let them celebrate what they want.
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i like this forum and have been on here since a few months after its creation. But i cant believe an american jewish girl is saying that we should ban cinco de mayo. people have gotten kicked off this forum for saying less ofensive things
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Stinko De Mayo!!!
That's what my Father says.
Great minds think alike.