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I think it should be banned for Jews.
Why do all these Jews celebrate it even though it's Christian?
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It's like St. Patrick's Day in the fact that it is so Americanized by now, it's not even religious anymore. That's the way I feel anyway.
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Why should it be banned for Jews. It can be celebrated among us, as long as it's celebrated by a husband and his wife.
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I feel the same way mills.Every day one should show loven O0 O0.
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I also find the Cupid nonsense to be so gay. Why did Christians incorporate this pagan thing into a holiday they call Christian?
Because it's FUN!
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But they are wrong Daniel.Sometimes its hard for us to do the right thing.WE can celebrate ,it just has to be right kind of celebration!Smile and love ya
Wayne Jude and no Im not gay LOL!
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ALL this talk about banning is starting to sound FASCISTIC...
BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think it should be banned for Jews.
NOOOOOoooooooo >:(
I like it ;)
LOL edited due to multi tasking :::D
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I see Valentines day is th day of love and to recognize that special someone in your life. Doesn't have to be your spouse, can be a parent, sibling, a relative, a child.. And the origins of Valentine's Day comes from Saint Valentino.
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And the origins of Valentine's Day comes from Saint Valentino.
That's why Jews shouldn't celebrate it. But why do Christians celebrate the pagan parts such as Cupid?
The cupid thing is a symbol part of it, the myth goes if he hits someone with his heart shaped arrow that the first person they see they fall in love with. It is also within a few weeks before Spring when things come to life, love birds and love squirells lol. But as I said I see Valentine's Day to recognize a day of our loved ones and that love we have for them.
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I think theres a Romance for all seasons, and depends on the man.
But it should never be a forced thing.
They are happy leave them alone.
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There is no important part for us to celebrate.Even as Christians!Its not a huge deal and I hate It for Because we should love one another every day.If I hate you 364 days a year,Should it a be ok if I send you chocolates 1 day a year?
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Ignorance yacov!You know!
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>:(
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NO sorry You miss understood I meant its ignorance for Christians to celebrate Valentines day.Why, do you want to fight?LOL
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NOOooo Im just kidding Bro! :::D
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There is no important part for us to celebrate.Even as Christians!Its not a huge deal and I hate It for Because we should love one another every day.If I hate you 364 days a year,Should it a be ok if I send you chocolates 1 day a year?
We are talking chocolate here don't forget.
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I'm all for Valentines day ! Common guy .....never been in love ?
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I'm all for Valentines day ! Common guy .....never been in love ?
And the chocolate people :::D
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The importance women attatch to this day is rediculous.
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Why its a day when we get chocolate and flowers a meal out some Nookie and the guy is not trying to say sorry for anything. And this is a bad thing because ...................... :-\
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If it was called love day would you be fine with it
and instead of cupid it had a rabbit
because if it wasnt called valentines day it would be something else
also i believe that its a good thing for there to be one day out of the year set aside for luvin
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also i believe that its a good thing for there to be one day out of the year set aside for luvin
Nope.....thats what the weekends are for !
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also i believe that its a good thing for there to be one day out of the year set aside for luvin
Nope.....thats what the weekends are for !
I know who you are now 8;)
Giovanni Giacomo Casanova ^-^
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I know who you are nowl
lol !!!
No ofcourse not.....I am just your average 83 yr old ! :laugh:
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I know who you are nowl
lol !!!
No ofcourse not.....I am just your average 83 yr old ! :laugh:
:::D
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Greetings,
I read most of the posts concerning this 'holiday'. I am a Chistian who lives in America, (Lakeside, California), I do not celebrate valentine's day because I believe it to be a pegan holiday, and a holiday of lust. Those who have studied cupid, (venus' son), realize the immorality, lust, and folly that surround these gods, (I use that world loosly in this case). I did not need to go too deeply into the study of cupid to realize that valentines day is not something I want in my life. This is my own belief.
Digital Photo
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I think it should be banned for Jews.
Why do all these Jews celebrate it even though it's Christian?
I also find the Cupid nonsense to be so gay. Why did Christians incorporate this pagan thing into a holiday they call Christian?
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Get used to it. We will celebrate our "pagan" holidays.
The tradition of Valentine's Day is started in the middle ages.
A lot of our Christian traditions are based on the Greeks, Romans, and Germans&Franks, Slavs&Celts.
Why do you have a problem with that?
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I think it should be banned for Jews.
Why do all these Jews celebrate it even though it's Christian?
I also find the Cupid nonsense to be so gay. Why did Christians incorporate this pagan thing into a holiday they call Christian?
>:(
Get used to it. We will celebrate our "pagan" holidays.
The tradition of Valentine's Day is started in the middle ages.
A lot of our Christian traditions are based on the Greeks, Romans, and Germans&Franks, Slavs&Celts.
Why do you have a problem with that?
Many people like, it will never die out.
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i am not for it :-\
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i am not for it :-\
Why is that?
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I still say no its a great day and needs to be left alone.
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I still say no its a great day and needs to be left alone.
You are Jewish. You should celebrate Jewish holidays, not pagan "love" fests.
First and foremost I am a woman, and celebrate the love I have for my partner.
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This banning questions for Jews are making me sick!!!!! If it means a religious Hallachic ban, Hallacha is clear, nothing should be banned....what is against Torah is ALREADY banned since 3319 years ago when Torah was given. This questions are only confusing people into thinking that Hallacha is made by men. It sounds like the Reform!!!!
Regarding a civil ban, I have already said that it is impossible for a Goyshe authority to make special laws for Jews. Who is a Jew according to non-Noahide Goyim??????????
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Then celebrate your wedding anniversary, not a pagan holiday with roots in the pagan "g-d" Cupid.
The meaning of the day is more than a pagan holiday. One day when you finally fall in love you might just understand this.
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Then celebrate your wedding anniversary, not a pagan holiday with roots in the pagan "g-d" Cupid.
The meaning of the day is more than a pagan holiday. One day when you finally fall in love you might just understand this.
My wife and I will not celebrate it because as observant Jews, we will refrain from paganism.
Well I suggest you wait until you get married.
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Then celebreate your wedding anniversary, not a pagan holiday with roots in the pagan "g-d" Cupid.
The way I see it if 2 people love each other they dont have to just show it one day out of the year. It should be a year round "Valentine's Day" as far as the idea of 2 loving each other.
The meaning of the day is more than a pagan holiday. One day when you finally fall in love you might just understand this.
My wife and I will not celebrate it because as observant Jews, we will refrain from paganism.
Well I suggest you wait until you get married.
I haven't really followed Valentine's Day and didn't realize it was a Pagan holiday
I used to celebrate it when I was in middle school.
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This one is going to be a very tough one to sell to many about banning, for some reason people love this holiday. For me? Eh.
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Well the ban questions are also for Righteous Gentiles. Obviously Jews can't participate in these pagan festivals.
Gentiles, whether righteous or not, are bound to the Seven Laws, if hallacha forbids somthing then it is already banned. If they don't obey, it's between them and Hashem. And the Govt. cannot decide who is a Noahide and who is not. Today we don't have a pledge before a Beis Din, or if there is a possiblity of doing it, very few Noahides have.
So..... the Govts. can either forbid something for all people or leave things as they are. How can authorities register each Righteous Gentile, and enforce Laws only for them?????
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(http://www.flower-delivery-uk.co.uk/images/choc+bubbly13w.jpg)
Well I am happy to have your share 8;) :::D
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When I find a girl, every day will be Vito Valentino day ^-^
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(http://www.flower-delivery-uk.co.uk/images/choc+bubbly13w.jpg)
Well I am happy to have your share 8;) :::D
mmm! I like the way those chocolates look! O0
delicious chocolates O0
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And the origins of Valentine's Day comes from Saint Valentino.
That's why Jews shouldn't celebrate it. But why do Christians celebrate the pagan parts such as Cupid?
Who is it hurting Yacov? I think Valentine's Day is a beautiful holiday. Eventhough I tell my husband and kids "I love you" at all times during the day, every day I still think that having one day reserved to show a little extra love to them is a great way to let them know that they're important to me. My husband buys chocolates for me and the girls and then we have a special date night...it's one night we actually have time to plan to be out together to spend quality time and just enjoy each other's company. I don't think it should be banned. It's fun :D.
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it should be banned for single people who can't attract people of the opposite sex.
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(http://www.flower-delivery-uk.co.uk/images/choc+bubbly13w.jpg)
Well I am happy to have your share 8;) :::D
May I have a few of your white chocolates, Skippy? You can keep the wine... :)
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also i believe that its a good thing for there to be one day out of the year set aside for luvin
Nope.....thats what the weekends are for !
According to whom? LOL
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Then celebrate your wedding anniversary, not a pagan holiday with roots in the pagan "g-d" Cupid.
Yacov, you have no right to tell Skippy how to enjoy the company of her significant other. Every day should be reserved for loving your spouse, girlfriend or boyfriend, but it is so special to share one day of the year when you can open up to, spend time with, and share with your lover. Love in a monogomous relationship is actually a GOOD thing, Yacov. Do you have something against it?
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As a Christian, you should not celebrate Pre-Christian pagan holidays. I don't understand why Christians like to celebrate pagan holidays honoring Greek and Roman g-ds.
Valentine's Day, like Halloween and Groundhog's Day, is idolatry.
I'm not thinking of the holiday as being pegan. I don't wake up on Valentines day and think... "Hmm... now it's time to celebrate pegans!" I celebrate the love my husband and I share on Valentines day, and an added bonus is that I get to do this every single day of the year.
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As a Christian, you should not celebrate Pre-Christian pagan holidays. I don't understand why Christians like to celebrate pagan holidays honoring Greek and Roman g-ds.
Valentine's Day, like Halloween and Groundhog's Day, is idolatry.
I'm not thinking of the holiday as being pegan. I don't wake up on Valentines day and think... "Hmm... now it's time to celebrate pegans!" I celebrate the love my husband and I share on Valentines day, and an added bonus is that I get to do this every single day of the year.
Yeah, thing is you're married, Erica.....it is somewhat different. Still, why do you need a commercial Valentines day to celebrate your love?
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it should be banned for single people who can't attract people of the opposite sex.
You're Jewish so it shouldn't even be an issue for you. Jews should not celebrate holidays of other religions.
I'll reiterate...it should only be banned by single people who are incapable of attracting a member of the opposite sex.
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Then celebrate your wedding anniversary, not a pagan holiday with roots in the pagan "g-d" Cupid.
Yacov, you have no right to tell Skippy how to enjoy the company of her significant other. Every day should be reserved for loving your spouse, girlfriend or boyfriend, but it is so special to share one day of the year when you can open up to, spend time with, and share with your lover. Love in a monogamous relationship is actually a GOOD thing, Yacov. Do you have something against it?
It's a matter of principle. And Skippy is Jewish so she shouldn't be celebrating religious holidays of other religions. G-d makes the laws, not affirmative action "Imericas".
Valentine's day is not a religious holiday...it's an american tradition like new years is one...
Notice I never said anyting about it being ok for Jews to celebrate it...but don't tell non Jews that they shouldn't...that's none of our business...
Yaacov, stick with the Jews...leave the gentiles alone.
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it should be banned for single people who can't attract people of the opposite sex.
You're Jewish so it shouldn't even be an issue for you. Jews should not celebrate holidays of other religions.
I'll reiterate...it should only be banned by single people who are incapable of attracting a member of the opposite sex.
You host a Jewish dating show. This way of thinking is contrary to proper Jewish dating. Jews are supposed to date for the intent of marriage. And even within marriage, Jews should not celebrate pagan holidays nor holidays of any other Non-Jewish religion.
I never said it was ok for Jews to celebrate Valentine's day..
furthermore I was joking about it being banned for single people...
It's just funny to me that most single people want to ban Valentine's day because they have no significant other to celebrate it with...so in some of their minds they think, "Let's ban the holiday so nobody can have fun."
As far as jews...Jews should really only celebrate Jewish holidays..
However, all Jews are not in Israel...we are a discombobulated people...therefore, rather than banning, we should discourage Jews from celebrating non Jewish holidays...not BAN them...we don't live in a police state...We aren't dictators...and saying the word 'ban' just makes us look really dumb and unpopular and we'll never bcome a mass movement wtih that type of silly language.
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Then celebrate your wedding anniversary, not a pagan holiday with roots in the pagan "g-d" Cupid.
Yacov, you have no right to tell Skippy how to enjoy the company of her significant other. Every day should be reserved for loving your spouse, girlfriend or boyfriend, but it is so special to share one day of the year when you can open up to, spend time with, and share with your lover. Love in a monogamous relationship is actually a GOOD thing, Yacov. Do you have something against it?
It's a matter of principle. And Skippy is Jewish so she shouldn't be celebrating religious holidays of other religions. G-d makes the laws, not affirmative action "Imericas".
You pass judgement on people showing love for their SO's and then accuse ME of making a law? I never pretended to claim that people should celebrate Valentine's day because I celebrate it. And just because I'm in love with my husband and like showing that love with a rose, candy, or whatever, doesn't make me Affirmative Action. Get a girlfriend, please.
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Then celebrate your wedding anniversary, not a pagan holiday with roots in the pagan "g-d" Cupid.
Yacov, you have no right to tell Skippy how to enjoy the company of her significant other. Every day should be reserved for loving your spouse, girlfriend or boyfriend, but it is so special to share one day of the year when you can open up to, spend time with, and share with your lover. Love in a monogamous relationship is actually a GOOD thing, Yacov. Do you have something against it?
It's a matter of principle. And Skippy is Jewish so she shouldn't be celebrating religious holidays of other religions. G-d makes the laws, not affirmative action "Imericas".
Valentine's day is not a religious holiday...it's an American tradition like new years is one...
Notice I never said anyting about it being ok for Jews to celebrate it...but don't tell non Jews that they shouldn't...that's none of our business...
Yaacov, stick with the Jews...leave the gentiles alone.
It's not an American tradition. It's a European tradition that spread to other countries. If you want a real American tradition, try The Fourth of July or Thanksgiving, which are not pagan holidays.
The Secular New Year is a Christian holiday but when celebrate as a Secular holiday with partying, sex, and getting drunk, it is reverting the pagan Pre-Christian roots of the holiday.
For many years Americans have been celebrating this holiday...big deal if it came from Europe..now it is part of american tradition...You're not going to change anything, yaacov...so swallow your pride and deal with it.
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Then celebrate your wedding anniversary, not a pagan holiday with roots in the pagan "g-d" Cupid.
Yacov, you have no right to tell Skippy how to enjoy the company of her significant other. Every day should be reserved for loving your spouse, girlfriend or boyfriend, but it is so special to share one day of the year when you can open up to, spend time with, and share with your lover. Love in a monogamous relationship is actually a GOOD thing, Yacov. Do you have something against it?
It's a matter of principle. And Skippy is Jewish so she shouldn't be celebrating religious holidays of other religions. G-d makes the laws, not affirmative action "Imericas".
Valentine's day is not a religious holiday...it's an American tradition like new years is one...
Notice I never said anyting about it being ok for Jews to celebrate it...but don't tell non Jews that they shouldn't...that's none of our business...
Yaacov, stick with the Jews...leave the gentiles alone.
It's not an American tradition. It's a European tradition that spread to other countries. If you want a real American tradition, try The Fourth of July or Thanksgiving, which are not pagan holidays.
The Secular New Year is a Christian holiday but when celebrated as a Secular holiday with partying, sex, and getting drunk, it is reverting the pagan Pre-Christian roots of the holiday.
Now you're associating celebrating the New Year as a time for let's see, "HAving sex with people" (I don't know where you got that idea), and getting drunk? Come on now. New Years celebrations is no more about sex and drinking than Senior proms at high schools.I think you're incredibly uptight and that you have no right to tell others how to live their lives. You are hating on the fact that people show love to others... how pathetic is that?
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it should be banned for single people who can't attract people of the opposite sex.
You're Jewish so it shouldn't even be an issue for you. Jews should not celebrate holidays of other religions.
I'll reiterate...it should only be banned by single people who are incapable of attracting a member of the opposite sex.
You host a Jewish dating show. This way of thinking is contrary to proper Jewish dating. Jews are supposed to date for the intent of marriage. And even within marriage, Jews should not celebrate pagan holidays nor holidays of any other Non-Jewish religion.
I never said it was ok for Jews to celebrate Valentine's day..
furthermore I was joking about it being banned for single people...
It's just funny to me that most single people want to ban Valentine's day because they have no significant other to celebrate it with...so in some of their minds they think, "Let's ban the holiday so nobody can have fun."
As far as jews...Jews should really only celebrate Jewish holidays..
However, all Jews are not in Israel...we are a discombobulated people...therefore, rather than banning, we should discourage Jews from celebrating non Jewish holidays...not BAN them...we don't live in a police state...We aren't dictators...and saying the word 'ban' just makes us look really dumb and unpopular and we'll never bcome a mass movement wtih that type of silly language.
If I was married I would also want to ban it.
So do you celebrate it?
No, but if there is a girl that I'm dating expecting flowers on Feb 14th, I will send her flowers... But no, I don't celebrate it.
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Then celebrate your wedding anniversary, not a pagan holiday with roots in the pagan "g-d" Cupid.
Yacov, you have no right to tell Skippy how to enjoy the company of her significant other. Every day should be reserved for loving your spouse, girlfriend or boyfriend, but it is so special to share one day of the year when you can open up to, spend time with, and share with your lover. Love in a monogamous relationship is actually a GOOD thing, Yacov. Do you have something against it?
It's a matter of principle. And Skippy is Jewish so she shouldn't be celebrating religious holidays of other religions. G-d makes the laws, not affirmative action "Imericas".
You pass judgement on people showing love for their SO's and then accuse ME of making a law? I never pretended to claim that people should celebrate Valentine's day because I celebrate it. And just because I'm in love with my husband and like showing that love with a rose, candy, or whatever, doesn't make me Affirmative Action. Get a girlfriend, please.
Was is an "SO"?
And I won't get a girlfriend because I'm Jewish and Jews don't date without the intent of getting married.
Significant Other, Yacov. And while I respect your tradition and your religion, I don't respect you telling other people how to spend time with their mates.
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it should be banned for single people who can't attract people of the opposite sex.
You're Jewish so it shouldn't even be an issue for you. Jews should not celebrate holidays of other religions.
I'll reiterate...it should only be banned by single people who are incapable of attracting a member of the opposite sex.
You host a Jewish dating show. This way of thinking is contrary to proper Jewish dating. Jews are supposed to date for the intent of marriage. And even within marriage, Jews should not celebrate pagan holidays nor holidays of any other Non-Jewish religion.
I never said it was ok for Jews to celebrate Valentine's day..
furthermore I was joking about it being banned for single people...
It's just funny to me that most single people want to ban Valentine's day because they have no significant other to celebrate it with...so in some of their minds they think, "Let's ban the holiday so nobody can have fun."
As far as jews...Jews should really only celebrate Jewish holidays..
However, all Jews are not in Israel...we are a discombobulated people...therefore, rather than banning, we should discourage Jews from celebrating non Jewish holidays...not BAN them...we don't live in a police state...We aren't dictators...and saying the word 'ban' just makes us look really dumb and unpopular and we'll never bcome a mass movement wtih that type of silly language.
If I was married I would also want to ban it.
So do you celebrate it?
No, but if there is a girl that I'm dating expecting flowers on Feb 14th, I will send her flowers... But no, I don't celebrate it.
That is just as bad because you are acknowledging it. Don't bring paganism into your relationships. I assume G-d will make those relationships a failure if you do that.
You're amazing. My husband and I have been married for 14 years and have celebrated 14 Valentine's day (each season) with each other. Yeah...our marriage is DOOMED. ::)
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The holiday was created by the card and candy compaines.
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it should be banned for single people who can't attract people of the opposite sex.
You're Jewish so it shouldn't even be an issue for you. Jews should not celebrate holidays of other religions.
I'll reiterate...it should only be banned by single people who are incapable of attracting a member of the opposite sex.
You host a Jewish dating show. This way of thinking is contrary to proper Jewish dating. Jews are supposed to date for the intent of marriage. And even within marriage, Jews should not celebrate pagan holidays nor holidays of any other Non-Jewish religion.
I never said it was ok for Jews to celebrate Valentine's day..
furthermore I was joking about it being banned for single people...
It's just funny to me that most single people want to ban Valentine's day because they have no significant other to celebrate it with...so in some of their minds they think, "Let's ban the holiday so nobody can have fun."
As far as jews...Jews should really only celebrate Jewish holidays..
However, all Jews are not in Israel...we are a discombobulated people...therefore, rather than banning, we should discourage Jews from celebrating non Jewish holidays...not BAN them...we don't live in a police state...We aren't dictators...and saying the word 'ban' just makes us look really dumb and unpopular and we'll never bcome a mass movement wtih that type of silly language.
If I was married I would also want to ban it.
So do you celebrate it?
No, but if there is a girl that I'm dating expecting flowers on Feb 14th, I will send her flowers... But no, I don't celebrate it.
That is just as bad because you are acknowledging it. Don't bring paganism into your relationships. I assume G-d will make those relationships a failure if you do that.
naa... i know plenty of jews who are happily married who did that.
however i will make a note of it to that special someone
but as feb 14th..flowers or not...i'll give flowers any other day...so i shoudl avoid flowers just becuase it is feb 14th? That's aknowledging this holiday also..
i'm not interested in this discussion... You are doing no justice to our cause by having threads like these...
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it should be banned for single people who can't attract people of the opposite sex.
You're Jewish so it shouldn't even be an issue for you. Jews should not celebrate holidays of other religions.
I'll reiterate...it should only be banned by single people who are incapable of attracting a member of the opposite sex.
You host a Jewish dating show. This way of thinking is contrary to proper Jewish dating. Jews are supposed to date for the intent of marriage. And even within marriage, Jews should not celebrate pagan holidays nor holidays of any other Non-Jewish religion.
I never said it was ok for Jews to celebrate Valentine's day..
furthermore I was joking about it being banned for single people...
It's just funny to me that most single people want to ban Valentine's day because they have no significant other to celebrate it with...so in some of their minds they think, "Let's ban the holiday so nobody can have fun."
As far as jews...Jews should really only celebrate Jewish holidays..
However, all Jews are not in Israel...we are a discombobulated people...therefore, rather than banning, we should discourage Jews from celebrating non Jewish holidays...not BAN them...we don't live in a police state...We aren't dictators...and saying the word 'ban' just makes us look really dumb and unpopular and we'll never bcome a mass movement wtih that type of silly language.
If I was married I would also want to ban it.
So do you celebrate it?
No, but if there is a girl that I'm dating expecting flowers on Feb 14th, I will send her flowers... But no, I don't celebrate it.
That is just as bad because you are acknowledging it. Don't bring paganism into your relationships. I assume G-d will make those relationships a failure if you do that.
You're amazing. My husband and I have been married for 14 years and have celebrated 14 Valentine's day (each season) with each other. Yeah...our marriage is DOOMED. ::)
But Jews' relationships will be doomed. Only religious Jews don't get divorced in big numbers.
If Jews' relationships will be doomed if they celebrate Valentine's day, how is it that they don't get divorced. (So in all actuality, their marriages AREN'T doomed...you are just a person who thrives on unhappiness.)
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it should be banned for single people who can't attract people of the opposite sex.
You're Jewish so it shouldn't even be an issue for you. Jews should not celebrate holidays of other religions.
I'll reiterate...it should only be banned by single people who are incapable of attracting a member of the opposite sex.
You host a Jewish dating show. This way of thinking is contrary to proper Jewish dating. Jews are supposed to date for the intent of marriage. And even within marriage, Jews should not celebrate pagan holidays nor holidays of any other Non-Jewish religion.
I never said it was ok for Jews to celebrate Valentine's day..
furthermore I was joking about it being banned for single people...
It's just funny to me that most single people want to ban Valentine's day because they have no significant other to celebrate it with...so in some of their minds they think, "Let's ban the holiday so nobody can have fun."
As far as jews...Jews should really only celebrate Jewish holidays..
However, all Jews are not in Israel...we are a discombobulated people...therefore, rather than banning, we should discourage Jews from celebrating non Jewish holidays...not BAN them...we don't live in a police state...We aren't dictators...and saying the word 'ban' just makes us look really dumb and unpopular and we'll never bcome a mass movement wtih that type of silly language.
If I was married I would also want to ban it.
So do you celebrate it?
No, but if there is a girl that I'm dating expecting flowers on Feb 14th, I will send her flowers... But no, I don't celebrate it.
That is just as bad because you are acknowledging it. Don't bring paganism into your relationships. I assume G-d will make those relationships a failure if you do that.
You're amazing. My husband and I have been married for 14 years and have celebrated 14 Valentine's day (each season) with each other. Yeah...our marriage is DOOMED. ::)
But Jews' relationships will be doomed. Only religious Jews don't get divorced in big numbers.
If Jews' relationships will be doomed if they celebrate Valentine's day, how is it that they don't get divorced. (So in all actuality, their marriages AREN'T doomed...you are just a person who thrives on unhappiness.)
Most stay together because it looks good to the community. ::)
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it should be banned for single people who can't attract people of the opposite sex.
You're Jewish so it shouldn't even be an issue for you. Jews should not celebrate holidays of other religions.
I'll reiterate...it should only be banned by single people who are incapable of attracting a member of the opposite sex.
You host a Jewish dating show. This way of thinking is contrary to proper Jewish dating. Jews are supposed to date for the intent of marriage. And even within marriage, Jews should not celebrate pagan holidays nor holidays of any other Non-Jewish religion.
I never said it was ok for Jews to celebrate Valentine's day..
furthermore I was joking about it being banned for single people...
It's just funny to me that most single people want to ban Valentine's day because they have no significant other to celebrate it with...so in some of their minds they think, "Let's ban the holiday so nobody can have fun."
As far as jews...Jews should really only celebrate Jewish holidays..
However, all Jews are not in Israel...we are a discombobulated people...therefore, rather than banning, we should discourage Jews from celebrating non Jewish holidays...not BAN them...we don't live in a police state...We aren't dictators...and saying the word 'ban' just makes us look really dumb and unpopular and we'll never bcome a mass movement wtih that type of silly language.
If I was married I would also want to ban it.
So do you celebrate it?
No, but if there is a girl that I'm dating expecting flowers on Feb 14th, I will send her flowers... But no, I don't celebrate it.
That is just as bad because you are acknowledging it. Don't bring paganism into your relationships. I assume G-d will make those relationships a failure if you do that.
You're amazing. My husband and I have been married for 14 years and have celebrated 14 Valentine's day (each season) with each other. Yeah...our marriage is DOOMED. ::)
But Jews' relationships will be doomed. Only religious Jews don't get divorced in big numbers.
If Jews' relationships will be doomed if they celebrate Valentine's day, how is it that they don't get divorced. (So in all actuality, their marriages AREN'T doomed...you are just a person who thrives on unhappiness.)
Most stay together because it looks good to the community. ::)
LOL :::D
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As a Christian, you should not celebrate Pre-Christian pagan holidays. I don't understand why Christians like to celebrate pagan holidays honoring Greek and Roman g-ds.
Valentine's Day, like Halloween and Groundhog's Day, is idolatry.
Valentine's Day, Halloween and Groundhog's Day were originally days of Greco-Roman worship - about 2000 years ago. Aside from the Satanists that actually worship Halloween, I doubt most people even know of their origins.. they're simply traditional cultural holidays to take part in some fun activity.
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I wont celebrate it.
I do like chocolates though...yeah I have a chocolate problem. I hate milk chocolate but I LOVE dark or variety ones like in boxes.
Still, I am not for Valentines and its CHEESY cheap pink and red HORRIBLE colors all over stores...everywhere you go you wont be able to get away from it! It sux!
you would love visiting Belgium.
Our chocolate industry is huge, ad high quality
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I think it should be banned for Jews.
Why do all these Jews celebrate it even though it's Christian?
Are you single dude?
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I think it should be banned for Jews.
Why do all these Jews celebrate it even though it's Christian?
Are you single dude?
Who was that Merkava?
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It's a bit cheesy, and it causes clogged arteries with all the chocolate. There's nothing like saying I love you with a bypass. O0
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It's a bit cheesy, and it causes clogged arteries with all the chocolate. There's nothing like saying I love you with a bypass. O0
But Death by Chocolate.......................... :D
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I think it should be banned for Jews.
Why do all these Jews celebrate it even though it's Christian?
Are you single dude?
Yes, I am single and if I had a wife or girlfriend, I would still be against it. Even before I was modest and believed in pre-marital kissing, I was always against the idea of Valentine's Day. The only time I was ever involved in anything regading it was in elementary school where kids would pass out silly Valentine's Day cards to both boys and girls and it had nothing to do with love. By the time I was of the age where I was interested in girls sexually, I was firmly against celebrating it.
My elementary school would have 3 holiday parties in class: Halloween, Christmas, and Valentine's Day and I don't think this should have been forced upon people. The first is pagan and the second two are Christian but even the origins are in Pre-Christian Greco-Roman pagan holidays.
I think Jews shouldn't try to abolish any of the Pagan, Christian or Greco-Latin holidays in use today in Western countries, except in the State of Israel.
The school education system in Europe and America should not refrain from honouring our traditions.
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It is tomorrow for us people of the South Seas O0
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This year it should be (for me)
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
Nobody forces you to spend money for this day.
In fact, making this day in a money-spending contest, is what we here in Europe call " Americanisation".
Showing that you have a lot of money on a day as this, is considered bad-taste, lower-class behaviour.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THIS DAY, that's capitalism, without moral values.
Stop watching TV, listening to radio, watching advertisements in the streets.
In fact, the commercialisation of everything is the problem, not this or any other day itself.
This day was originally a tradition of West-European Royal courts.
Isn't that better, than behaving like a Taliban-criminal that exploits women as if they are animals?
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The truth is when better more important things come into the mainstream, V-day will disappear simply because nobody really cares or forgets that the holiday even exists. Attempting to ban it will only make more important.
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
You're a killjoy, abdithefaithful. How is expressing love for your significant other "demonic"? And whose forcing Valentine's day down your throat? When did someone put a gun to your head and force you to fall in love with someone? lol
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
You're a killjoy, abdithefaithful. How is expressing love for your significant other "demonic"? And whose forcing Valentine's day down your throat? When did someone put a gun to your head and force you to fall in love with someone? lol
WHO IS FORCING VALENTINE'S DAY DOWN YOUR THROAT?!?!
Take a look around, Erica. You'll soon see that it is very much forced down the throats of EVERYONE, like it or not.
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When did someone put a gun to your head and force you to fall in love with someone? lol
Why do you assume you have to celebrate Valentine's Day to "fall in love"? This is yet another example of your affirmative action logic.
Please elaborate how V-Day and falling in love has anything to do with affirmative action logic?
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What ?! It's Valentine's Day today? :D
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Bringing this up again Yackov? Meanwhile I get blasted for bringing up the same topics again and again, but it's OK for you to keep bringing up the same topics. Also why was one of my topics locked? It's the one called "What Happened to me."
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
Nobody forces you to spend money for this day.
In fact, making this day in a money-spending contest, is what we here in Europe call " Americanisation".
Showing that you have a lot of money on a day as this, is considered bad-taste, lower-class behaviour.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THIS DAY, that's capitalism, without moral values.
Stop watching TV, listening to radio, watching advertisements in the streets.
In fact, the commercialisation of everything is the problem, not this or any other day itself.
This day was originally a tradition of West-European Royal courts.
Isn't that better, than behaving like a Taliban-criminal that exploits women as if they are animals?
The problem with the day is not the commercialization but rather its pagan origins with the pagan g-d Cupid, YM"S.
You don't live in a Jewish state.
We Europeans ARE pagans. Why don't you get it?
Our traditions are NOT solely based on Judaism.
It is more Greek, Roman and Slavic, Celtic or German, and that the USA is based on that tradition.
If you want to start an Inquisition to kill all pagans, be my guest.
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Yacov doesn't have the chutzpah to answer what I wrote.
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Haha I don't care I just got a lovely big bunch of roses I am happy :::D :::D :D
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
You're a killjoy, abdithefaithful. How is expressing love for your significant other "demonic"? And whose forcing Valentine's day down your throat? When did someone put a gun to your head and force you to fall in love with someone? lol
WHO IS FORCING VALENTINE'S DAY DOWN YOUR THROAT?!?!
Take a look around, Erica. You'll soon see that it is very much forced down the throats of EVERYONE, like it or not.
I just asked another person this question...so I'll ask you also. WHO is forcing Valentines' day down your throat? I celebrate it because I love making my husband feel special everyday but reserve this day to make him feel ESPECIALLY special and appreciated. He's my heart and I love him. No one MADE ME feel that way...I just do. SO again, who is forcing you to celebrate Valenine's day? If you don't want to celebrate it, follow in Yacov's footsteps and don't celebrate it.
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When did someone put a gun to your head and force you to fall in love with someone? lol
Why do you assume you have to celebrate Valentine's Day to "fall in love"? This is yet another example of your affirmative action logic.
Yacov, I've been in love with my husband for 17 years and married to him (and still very much in love with him) for close to 14 years. I don't celebrate Valentine's day to "fall in love"...I'm already there. I celebrate it because I love him. I said what I said because the other poster was acting as though someone was MAKING them feel a way they didn't want to feel.
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When did someone put a gun to your head and force you to fall in love with someone? lol
Why do you assume you have to celebrate Valentine's Day to "fall in love"? This is yet another example of your affirmative action logic.
Please elaborate how V-Day and falling in love has anything to do with affirmative action logic?
Imerica made it seem like falling in love automatically means you celebrate Valentine's Day. That's like saying that anyone who celebrates a holiday celebrates Christmas even though Non-Christians also have holidays in December such as Jews and Hanukkah.
I did no such thing. I never even said that you HAD to celebrate it if you were in a relationship. Which is why putting a ban on a celebration of love of other couples who do celebrate it is stupid. No one is forcing you to celebrate a holiday that you don't celebrate. You misunderstood. Also like always, the "affirmative action" comments are kind of old. Not to mention the fact that they dont' fit in any of the insults you give me. I'm not AA. I already told you how I felt about the subject.
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
Nobody forces you to spend money for this day.
In fact, making this day in a money-spending contest, is what we here in Europe call " Americanisation".
Showing that you have a lot of money on a day as this, is considered bad-taste, lower-class behaviour.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THIS DAY, that's capitalism, without moral values.
Stop watching TV, listening to radio, watching advertisements in the streets.
In fact, the commercialisation of everything is the problem, not this or any other day itself.
This day was originally a tradition of West-European Royal courts.
Isn't that better, than behaving like a Taliban-criminal that exploits women as if they are animals?
The problem with the day is not the commercialization but rather its pagan origins with the pagan g-d Cupid, YM"S.
People who celebrate Valentine's Day don't celebrate CUPID... we celbrate what the mythological figure represents. LOVE for your significant other. If that's a problem for you, I don't know what else to say.
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
You're a killjoy, abdithefaithful. How is expressing love for your significant other "demonic"? And whose forcing Valentine's day down your throat? When did someone put a gun to your head and force you to fall in love with someone? lol
WHO IS FORCING VALENTINE'S DAY DOWN YOUR THROAT?!?!
Take a look around, Erica. You'll soon see that it is very much forced down the throats of EVERYONE, like it or not.
I just asked another person this question...so I'll ask you also. WHO is forcing Valentines' day down your throat? I celebrate it because I love making my husband feel special everyday but reserve this day to make him feel ESPECIALLY special and appreciated. He's my heart and I love him. No one MADE ME feel that way...I just do. SO again, who is forcing you to celebrate Valenine's day? If you don't want to celebrate it, follow in Yacov's footsteps and don't celebrate it.
The big cooperations, the companies who decide it is a good idea to make everything valentines this and valentines that, I bought a bar of chocolate today that is a special valentines edition. If that isn't forcing, I don't know what is. It is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid it.
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Oh, shut up!
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Oh, shut up!
Whats up?
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Yes, Europe should be more Judeo-Christian O0 , although it did have it's pagan roots , then Christianity came.
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My answer is still no, and now I am eating heart shaped chocolates :::D :::D :::D
They are yummy, strawberry filled ;)
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
Nobody forces you to spend money for this day.
In fact, making this day in a money-spending contest, is what we here in Europe call " Americanisation".
Showing that you have a lot of money on a day as this, is considered bad-taste, lower-class behaviour.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THIS DAY, that's capitalism, without moral values.
Stop watching TV, listening to radio, watching advertisements in the streets.
In fact, the commercialisation of everything is the problem, not this or any other day itself.
This day was originally a tradition of West-European Royal courts.
Isn't that better, than behaving like a Taliban-criminal that exploits women as if they are animals?
The problem with the day is not the commercialization but rather its pagan origins with the pagan g-d Cupid, YM"S.
People who celebrate Valentine's Day don't celebrate CUPID... we celbrate what the mythological figure represents. LOVE for your significant other. If that's a problem for you, I don't know what else to say.
Pagan gods represent only one thing: Idolatry which is forbidden to both Jews and Gentiles. I don't understand why Christians who believe in St. Valentine's Day don't focus more on St. Valentine and just drop the Cupid idolatry.
You have a problem, Yacov. Have you ever witnessed people celebrating Valentine's Day kneeling and worshipping Cupid? LOL And all of this time I thought they were celebrating love. ::)
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Ban this, ban that. Puh-leez! If your faith is so insecure that you have to ban things to avoid doing them, Valentines Day is the least of your problems. ::)
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I will say it once and again, civil Gentile Govts. are not guided by the Torah and so are not authoritative to decide who is a Jew and who is a Noahide. How can they make special laws for Jews and Noahides????? So my vote is NO
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Even ZooTube is forcing it on us with a heart logo instead of their regular logo. It is a disgrace that you see this when you go to watch JTF videos.
No one at Youtube is forcing you to look at a logo either. Why are you feeling tortured? If you don't want to see it, either close your eyes or don't visit Youtube.
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No, I dont celebrate it but I dont care who else does ;)
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I think Jews have a holiday like what valentine's day intends to be today...
Am I right by saying it is called Tu b' Av?
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Ban this, ban that. Puh-leez! If your faith is so insecure that you have to ban things to avoid doing them, Valentines Day is the least of your problems. ::)
I'm not going to celebrate any of those pagan holidays. But in a monotheistic society, we should not be promoting paganism.
Yacov, mellow out man. You can't tell people how not to express love to their sweethearts. No one is promoting paganism.
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
Nobody forces you to spend money for this day.
In fact, making this day in a money-spending contest, is what we here in Europe call " Americanisation".
Showing that you have a lot of money on a day as this, is considered bad-taste, lower-class behaviour.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THIS DAY, that's capitalism, without moral values.
Stop watching TV, listening to radio, watching advertisements in the streets.
In fact, the commercialisation of everything is the problem, not this or any other day itself.
This day was originally a tradition of West-European Royal courts.
Isn't that better, than behaving like a Taliban-criminal that exploits women as if they are animals?
The problem with the day is not the commercialization but rather its pagan origins with the pagan g-d Cupid, YM"S.
You don't live in a Jewish state.
We Europeans ARE pagans. Why don't you get it?
Our traditions are NOT solely based on Judaism.
It is more Greek, Roman and Slavic, Celtic or German, and that the USA is based on that tradition.
If you want to start an Inquisition to kill all pagans, be my guest.
I thought European are supposed to be Christians.
The United States is a Judeo-Christian country, not a pagan country. Why not the same for Europe?
I dsagree. The Western civilisation is build on Greek and Roman empires.
Christianity was incorporated, and played a major role from 600 till 1600 AD,
since then religion is a less determening factor in our everyday non-Jewish lifes than you assume.
Christianity in West-Europe is almost gone.
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Ban this, ban that. Puh-leez! If your faith is so insecure that you have to ban things to avoid doing them, Valentines Day is the least of your problems. ::)
I'm not going to celebrate any of those pagan holidays. But in a monotheistic society, we should not be promoting paganism.
That is true. But reality learns that theocratic regimes only exist in some muslim countries right now.
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
Nobody forces you to spend money for this day.
In fact, making this day in a money-spending contest, is what we here in Europe call " Americanisation".
Showing that you have a lot of money on a day as this, is considered bad-taste, lower-class behaviour.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THIS DAY, that's capitalism, without moral values.
Stop watching TV, listening to radio, watching advertisements in the streets.
In fact, the commercialisation of everything is the problem, not this or any other day itself.
This day was originally a tradition of West-European Royal courts.
Isn't that better, than behaving like a Taliban-criminal that exploits women as if they are animals?
The problem with the day is not the commercialization but rather its pagan origins with the pagan g-d Cupid, YM"S.
You don't live in a Jewish state.
We Europeans ARE pagans. Why don't you get it?
Our traditions are NOT solely based on Judaism.
It is more Greek, Roman and Slavic, Celtic or German, and that the USA is based on that tradition.
If you want to start an Inquisition to kill all pagans, be my guest.
I thought European are supposed to be Christians.
The United States is a Judeo-Christian country, not a pagan country. Why not the same for Europe?
I dsagree. The Western civilisation is build on Greek and Roman empires.
Christianity was incorporated, and played a major role from 600 till 1600 AD,
since then religion is a less determening factor in our everyday non-Jewish lifes than you assume.
Christianity in West-Europe is almost gone.
That's why Europe is becoming immoral. They lost all their morality. Now they are being punished with the Muslim invasion for being so Liberal.
You would think they would learn their lessons from Ancient Greece and Rome. Those empires ended up being immoral such as tolerating and promoting homosexuality and in the end G-d destroyed them.
The most immoral dreck in Europe is imported from Hollywood. So that argument does not make so much sense.
Today the USA are behaving like the Rome in the 4th century, and will fall even faster than the EU.
Another reason why Rome fell, is because it's army was already majority non-Roman.
Multi-culture destroyed those empires.
In the end all empires will fall anyway.
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As a Christian, you should not celebrate Pre-Christian pagan holidays. I don't understand why Christians like to celebrate pagan holidays honoring Greek and Roman g-ds.
Valentine's Day, like Halloween and Groundhog's Day, is idolatry.
Christians are not Hebrews or Jews.
They are descendants of Romans/Greeks/Slavic-German people.
Traditions were held for centuries before Christiannity, are not possible to erase.
The Church tried to do that. And failed.
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Valentines is harmless except for the pagan origin. But remember that Christmas also has a pagan origin and nobody cared about it last December. However personally, I find it more repulsive to celebrate a holiday which was related to a pagan human shaped idol like Cupid, than Christmas which honored a star (sun).
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Why should it be banned for Jews. It can be celebrated among us, as long as it's celebrated by a husband and his wife.
Because it's a Christian holiday. It's the same reason Jews shouldn't celebrate Christmas.
all due respect, that cannot be made comparison yacov
as much as i hate valentines day, (for reasons i dont even need to mention) it is not a Christian festival the same way Christmas is...
one is celebrating the birth of the lord and savior for a religeon the other is celebrating the love and sweetheart for ones own.
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Jews should do what they believe is the best to do as a Jew.
Same thing for Christians.
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Nothing that does not cause harm to other people should be banned. If one's religion doesn't permit taking part in Valentines day, one shouldn't do it.
Christmas is a 'idolatrous' holiday as far as Noachides are concerned. Should it be banned?
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According to many respected financial experts, Valentines's Day has now become a multi-billion dollar "industry"... So despite the fact that some of us (myself included) are of the opinion that it's not necessarily fair that no matter what faith you are, Valentine's Day and all the silly and satanic concepts that come with the day like that horrid demonic pagan little "cupid" character are going to be FORCED down your throat whether you like it or not, with all the money now involved with the day, short of locking yourself in a closet with a blindfold and ear plugs, there's really no way to avoid its yearly evil wrath.
Nobody forces you to spend money for this day.
In fact, making this day in a money-spending contest, is what we here in Europe call " Americanisation".
Showing that you have a lot of money on a day as this, is considered bad-taste, lower-class behaviour.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THIS DAY, that's capitalism, without moral values.
Stop watching TV, listening to radio, watching advertisements in the streets.
In fact, the commercialisation of everything is the problem, not this or any other day itself.
This day was originally a tradition of West-European Royal courts.
Isn't that better, than behaving like a Taliban-criminal that exploits women as if they are animals?
The problem with the day is not the commercialization but rather its pagan origins with the pagan g-d Cupid, YM"S.
People who celebrate Valentine's Day don't celebrate CUPID... we celbrate what the mythological figure represents. LOVE for your significant other. If that's a problem for you, I don't know what else to say.
Pagan gods represent only one thing: Idolatry which is forbidden to both Jews and Gentiles. I don't understand why Christians who believe in St. Valentine's Day don't focus more on St. Valentine and just drop the Cupid idolatry.
You have a problem, Yacov. Have you ever witnessed people celebrating Valentine's Day kneeling and worshipping Cupid? LOL And all of this time I thought they were celebrating love. ::)
It doesn't matter what they are doing. It matters what the origin is. It's just like if a Jew would celebrate Christmas and say they aren't celebrating Jesus's birth, the true meaning of the holiday.
Yacov, stop setting rules for others. It does SO matter what they're doing. I don't care what the origin is... I love what it represents.
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February 14th is in fact St. Valentines' Day. So the date itself has nothing to do with Cupid. That paganism is older, but was related with Valentines later.(As far as I know, pagans who worshipped Cupid didn't do it on February 14th)
Now, is it idolatry to celebrate a Catholic Saint's day? Catholic dogma does not teach to worshipp saints, only to remember their good deeds and follow their example. Just like Jews try to follow the great Rabbi's example and do mizvot. It's the people who sometimes put too much enphasis on the Saints and go so far as to nearly worshipping them, not the Church teachings. (I know it since my family is Catholic, and they don't worship the Saints).
However a Jew and a Noachide must remember that those Catholic saints did worship Jesus and cannot be taken as a model of perfection either, according to the Torah. But for Christians, it is ok. (Providing the focus on St. Valentin and love, not on Cupid)
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You guys are religious right? Well, G-d gave us free will, free to do good, free to do bad, it's up to us, gave us that choice on DAY 1 as a matter of fact. Maybe the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden should have been banned.
So please, enough with the banning nonsense. That's what the damnable arabs do.
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YES, ban Valentine's Day. It's a day of overpriced chocolate and flowers, and tons of upset single people.
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Aren't you tired of bringing up the same topics again and again Yacov?
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Well for all you misery guts, I had a great Valentines day, got flowers, one box of chocolates, and a lovely meal out in an Italian restaurant.
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Well for all you misery guts, I had a great Valentines day, got flowers, one box of chocolates, and a lovely meal out in an Italian restaurant.
Was it a kosher restaurant?
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Well for all you misery guts, I had a great Valentines day, got flowers, one box of chocolates, and a lovely meal out in an Italian restaurant.
Was it a kosher restaurant?
Yes it was. The food was great :)
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Well for all you misery guts, I had a great Valentines day, got flowers, one box of chocolates, and a lovely meal out in an Italian restaurant.
WHOOHOO!!! Chocolates ROCK!I got a beautiful card and a HUGE heart filled with candy and a wonderful hug and kiss. It was also great to see my little one go around to all of her sisters bedrooms and tell them "Happy Valentine's Day, Big Sister!" lol And she nuzzled dad...that melted my heart! :D My husband bought all of the girls heart-shaped boxes of candy also.
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Ban this, ban that. Puh-leez! If your faith is so insecure that you have to ban things to avoid doing them, Valentines Day is the least of your problems. ::)
I'm not going to celebrate any of those pagan holidays. But in a monotheistic society, we should not be promoting paganism.
We should not be promoting fascism either which is exactly what you do when you try to ban everything you don't like or agree with and when you try to dictate to others how they should live.
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Well for all you misery guts, I had a great Valentines day, got flowers, one box of chocolates, and a lovely meal out in an Italian restaurant.
WHOOHOO!!! Chocolates ROCK!I got a beautiful card and a HUGE heart filled with candy and a wonderful hug and kiss. It was also great to see my little one go around to all of her sisters bedrooms and tell them "Happy Valentine's Day, Big Sister!" lol And she nuzzled dad...that melted my heart! :D My husband bought all of the girls heart-shaped boxes of candy also.
Oh wow how sweet :) :) :)
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Oh, shut up!
Whats up?
Sorry, Skippy. I forgot that this was an old topic. I was just responding to the overall banning poll. These are getting ridiculous and fascistic. They might be a tad bit amusing if he wasn't serious about this. But he is, and that's extremely disturbing. I think I'm going to ask Chaim about this on the next Ask JTF, assuming that Yakov won't ban me from asking him about this.
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Oh, shut up!
Whats up?
Sorry, Skippy. I forgot that this was an old topic. I was just responding to the overall banning poll. These are getting ridiculous and fascistic. They might be a tad bit amusing if he wasn't serious about this. But he is, and that's extremely disturbing. I think I'm going to ask Chaim about this on the next Ask JTF, assuming that Yakov won't ban me from asking him about this.
Thats ok Daniel :) :)
Just you took me by surprise thats all, generally its me telling people to shut up lol :::D :::D
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Oh, shut up!
Whats up?
Sorry, Skippy. I forgot that this was an old topic. I was just responding to the overall banning poll. These are getting ridiculous and fascistic. They might be a tad bit amusing if he wasn't serious about this. But he is, and that's extremely disturbing. I think I'm going to ask Chaim about this on the next Ask JTF, assuming that Yakov won't ban me from asking him about this.
Thats ok Daniel :) :)
Just you took me by surprise thats all, generally its me telling people to shut up lol :::D :::D
Yeah, well I guess I have a tendency to get into a bitchy mood and snap at times as well :)
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Valentine's Day can be OK if taken in the proper concept. It most certainly isn't a religious holiday by any means.
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Yacov: << I just don't understand why people celebrate things of pagan origin. Everyone here would be against celebrating things of Muslim origin so why should pagan things be any different?
It should only be celebrated by Christians as a religious Christian holiday without the pagan Cupid. Why do they forget the St. in St. Valentine's Day. It's just like they have Christian commercials around Christmas saying that Christians should put the Christ back in Christmas.
It's also similar to how Christians get drunk and have wild immodest parties for the Christian New Year rather than going to Church.>>
I understand your critique on this matter, Yacov.
But , study some more on the history of the Church - its early history around 200-300 AD,
the role it played around 1100 AD, the power it had untill 1950, and in what state it is now.
You will quickly find out that:
Catholicism, or even Protestantism in Western Europe , has lost its moral power over the people.
The morals are now being thaught by the liberal marxist mass media.
So you refer to these Christians , but in reality, most of them are atheists today.
It is actually rather irrelevant what the Churches say nowdays here,
as they hold less moral and earthly power, than the emerging mosques do.
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Valentine's Day can be OK if taken in the proper concept. It most certainly isn't a religious holiday by any means.
It should only be celebrated by Christians as a religious Christian holiday without the pagan Cupid. Why do they forget the St. in St. Valentine's Day. It's just like they have Christian commercials around Christmas saying that Christians should put the Christ back in Christmas.
It's also similar to how Christians get drunk and have wild immodest parties for the Christian New Year rather than going to church.
yaacov, don't tell christians what to do and how to worship...You're definately no authority in that.
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Valentine's Day can be OK if taken in the proper concept. It most certainly isn't a religious holiday by any means.
It should only be celebrated by Christians as a religious Christian holiday without the pagan Cupid. Why do they forget the St. in St. Valentine's Day. It's just like they have Christian commercials around Christmas saying that Christians should put the Christ back in Christmas.
It's also similar to how Christians get drunk and have wild immodest parties for the Christian New Year rather than going to church.
yaacov, don't tell christians what to do and how to worship...You're definately no authority in that.
I thought the same Dr.Dan, but I have no problem to once and a while receive comment from Jews on our religion.
I learned something, and in fact learned Yacov something, if he read my response.
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Well for all you misery guts, I had a great Valentines day, got flowers, one box of chocolates, and a lovely meal out in an Italian restaurant.
WHOOHOO!!! Chocolates ROCK!I got a beautiful card and a HUGE heart filled with candy and a wonderful hug and kiss. It was also great to see my little one go around to all of her sisters bedrooms and tell them "Happy Valentine's Day, Big Sister!" lol And she nuzzled dad...that melted my heart! :D My husband bought all of the girls heart-shaped boxes of candy also.
You remind me of the affirmative action schvartza I saw on the bus today. He was telling everyone "Happy Valentine's Day" on his phone and he had such a moronic voice. He was so ugly missing many teeth. It was unbelievable. And the other blacks on the bus were also acting people with the moronic childish disgusting laughing.
Get that chip off of your shoulder, Yacov. Only You and a few others here are pitiful enough to take a nice post and make it seem like a ebonics ridden message. Don't hate me or that guy on the bus because we're happy. This is exactly what I'm talking about. "We don't hate blacks because of their appearance" but you insult a happy black man because he had missing teeth and then had the nerve to call him ugly. I'll bet no one can smile around you without a GOOD reason.
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Re: "...Yacov: << I just don't understand why people celebrate things of pagan origin..."
Many brilliant books have been written dealing with this exact question, from the perspective of the modern sciences of psychology and psychiatry.
It seems that there are many "themes" dwelling deep within the most hidden recesses of humankind's collective subconcious minds.
These psychological "themes" have long been repressed by the demands made on us by modern lifestyles, yet the same basic "animalian" type of thoughts/impulses remain within all of us.
Most of them are made manifest and reoccur in the various mythologies and cosmological explanations of nations and peoples worldwide.
It is generally accepted today by scientists who study behavior that these "universal" subconcious links to our primordial history, always repressed, are "triggered" by various cultural stimuli, at which time they overpower our reasoning and cause us to revert back to our primordial memories.
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So what happened for "valentine's" day? Was it banned this year? ;)
I again did not celebrate it since I don't believe in it. Yey to me! O0
Nope not banned O0 O0 O0
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Yacov: << I just don't understand why people celebrate things of pagan origin. Everyone here would be against celebrating things of Muslim origin so why should pagan things be any different?
It should only be celebrated by Christians as a religious Christian holiday without the pagan Cupid. Why do they forget the St. in St. Valentine's Day. It's just like they have Christian commercials around Christmas saying that Christians should put the Christ back in Christmas.
It's also similar to how Christians get drunk and have wild immodest parties for the Christian New Year rather than going to Church.>>
I understand your critique on this matter, Yacov.
But , study some more on the history of the Church - its early history around 200-300 AD,
the role it played around 1100 AD, the power it had untill 1950, and in what state it is now.
You will quickly find out that:
Catholicism, or even Protestantism in Western Europe , has lost its moral power over the people.
The morals are now being thaught by the liberal marxist mass media.
So you refer to these Christians , but in reality, most of them are atheists today.
It is actually rather irrelevant what the Churches say nowdays here,
as they hold less moral and earthly power, than the emerging mosques do.
So you agree with me that the liberalism in Europe is a problem. Going back to Europe's pagan routes is just a symptom of this problem.
Not completely. I agree that liberalism is a problem in the whole Western World. including Israel.
Going back to our roots is good. We want to defend our ethnic, religious and cultural identities.
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Not completely. I agree that liberalism is a problem in the whole Western World. including Israel.
Going back to our roots is good. We want to defend our ethnic, religious and cultural identities.
I'm with you.
If you think about it, an enlightened, non-nazi nationalist ,pagan europe would be superior to the leftist, self-hating, semi-christian europe we have today.