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Title: Richard Dawkins
Post by: AussieJTFer on October 10, 2007, 09:17:58 AM
I would like to know if any of you have read any of his books and what your opinions are of him and his works?  In my opinion, even though he is a powerful debater and well versed in his scientific field, he comes across as a holier than thou, obnoxious [censored].
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: mord on October 10, 2007, 09:28:57 AM
He should debate Dr.Gerald  Schroeder          http://www.geraldschroeder.com/








Famous Atheist now beleives in G-D       http://www.sciencefindsgod.com/famous-atheist-now-believes-in-god.htm
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: White Israelite on October 10, 2007, 02:07:47 PM
I'm very well aware of Richard Dawkins, he seems like a smart guy although the problem with most of the people that follow Richard Dawkins assume that if you are in any way right wing, that you must be religious. The forums are very political. I don't like that humanist garbage.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: Dexter on October 14, 2007, 06:53:03 AM
I would like to know if any of you have read any of his books and what your opinions are of him and his works?  In my opinion, even though he is a powerful debater and well versed in his scientific field, he comes across as a holier than thou, obnoxious [censored].
I'm reading his books about evulotion on this days.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: AussieJTFer on October 14, 2007, 07:52:42 AM
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I'm reading his books about evulotion on this days.

Which book is that, The Blind Watchmaker? His older books are educational and he keeps his anti-religion rants to a minimum, his latest book however, is an all out assault on religion. He has become everything he proclaims to hate, a snivelling, malicious, holier than thou bully who is intolerant of those professing different views (in this case, people with faith). At least other evolutionists such as Stephen Jay Gould did not belittle anyone with a shred of belief in the spiritual or divine.
I find atheists to be the most conceited and egocentric people on earth. How many of them understand one one millionth of the science that they proclaim "enlightens" them to levels of intellectualism that are obviously unattainable by the average, "stupid" theist.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: Dexter on October 14, 2007, 01:54:46 PM
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I'm reading his books about evulotion on this days.

Which book is that, The Blind Watchmaker?
And The Selfish Gene.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on October 14, 2007, 05:28:02 PM
I would like to know if any of you have read any of his books and what your opinions are of him and his works?  In my opinion, even though he is a powerful debater and well versed in his scientific field, he comes across as a holier than thou, obnoxious [censored].
I'm reading his books about evulotion on this days.

Isnt that the guy who said a couple of years ago that everything he said and wrote untile thn was not true, and that we all came from some green sperm or something like that. - Hes the guy in the wheel chair I believe. Anyway a Jewish boy shouldn't waist his time with that garbage.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: White Israelite on October 14, 2007, 05:29:13 PM
I would like to know if any of you have read any of his books and what your opinions are of him and his works?  In my opinion, even though he is a powerful debater and well versed in his scientific field, he comes across as a holier than thou, obnoxious [censored].
I'm reading his books about evulotion on this days.

Isnt that the guy who said a couple of years ago that everything he said and wrote untile thn was not true, and that we all came from some green sperm or something like that. - Hes the guy in the wheel chair I believe. Anyway a Jewish boy shouldn't waist his time with that garbage.

No that isn't him

This is Richard Dawkins

(http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/05-11-23images/dawkinsRichard.jpg)
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on October 14, 2007, 05:40:11 PM
Well...most people call somebody named Richard "Dick"...

Is this guy the "Dick" that is the "professional Atheist"?

Or am I confusing him with another "Dick"?
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: aggressi0n on October 14, 2007, 05:56:10 PM
I went on the Richard Dawkins forum and their anything but rational. Like I went there on a new account and just on my first post I asked them if Biogenesis is true and all I got was a bunch cussing and insults toward me, seems rational eh? Also they support beastallity!

From what I have found atheist are a bunch of illiterates who just hate God so much they have to deny Him.

I don't if you guys have ever heard of the Rational Response Squad, but their a bunch of atheist who create things like this(sorry for the cussing.)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/BrianSapient/mapofourcountry.jpg)
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: Rubystars on October 16, 2007, 01:56:43 PM
There are a few things I like about Dawkins.

His ideas about memes are interesting, and I think that memetics is one way to describe what can be termed "Cultural evolution".

Another thing I like about Dawkins is his description of a cell as a 'survival machine' for a bit of genetic material. This concept probably helps a lot in abiogenesis research.

Genetics preceded cells.

However I agree with most of what has been said about his being an arrogant and hateful person. I don't believe all atheists are this way, but a sizable number of them that I've met have been that way. He's not content to have his philosophy and leave others be, he feels that he must ridicule believers.

Neither theism nor atheism are based in science, as science only studies the natural world. Theism is a belief and atheism is generally a lack of belief in the supernatural. Dawkins crosses the line from a simple lack of belief, to that of a positive belief that there is no supernatural world. That's the distinction between weak and strong atheism. Strong atheists, in my experience, tend to be the more obnoxious types, while weak atheists tend toward agnosticism.

One of the most ridiculous things that Dawkins has been involved in was the "Brights", a group of atheists who apparently think they're brighter than the theists, even though they claim that's not what it means.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: AussieJTFer on October 28, 2007, 06:07:51 AM
There are a few things I like about Dawkins.

His ideas about memes are interesting, and I think that memetics is one way to describe what can be termed "Cultural evolution".

Another thing I like about Dawkins is his description of a cell as a 'survival machine' for a bit of genetic material. This concept probably helps a lot in abiogenesis research.

Genetics preceded cells.

However I agree with most of what has been said about his being an arrogant and hateful person. I don't believe all atheists are this way, but a sizable number of them that I've met have been that way. He's not content to have his philosophy and leave others be, he feels that he must ridicule believers.

Neither theism nor atheism are based in science, as science only studies the natural world. Theism is a belief and atheism is generally a lack of belief in the supernatural. Dawkins crosses the line from a simple lack of belief, to that of a positive belief that there is no supernatural world. That's the distinction between weak and strong atheism. Strong atheists, in my experience, tend to be the more obnoxious types, while weak atheists tend toward agnosticism.

One of the most ridiculous things that Dawkins has been involved in was the "Brights", a group of atheists who apparently think they're brighter than the theists, even though they claim that's not what it means.

Do you believe that "weak atheists" exist? I think anyone that starts to question even to the slightest the non-existence of God or the standard atheist rationale is an agnostic, even if they may label themselves atheist.
I find that atheists are no different than fundamentalist Christian types or muslims that try and "convert" anyone who does not follow their line of thinking. Atheists are more obnoxious however as they look down upon anyone who might have a shred of belief in the supernatural as being intellectually challenged and needing "enlightenment". Dawkins is basically the Bin Laden of the atheists, utilising any means possible in extolling the virtues of his belief system on the uncoverted and "dumb" masses and sneering at their set of collective beliefs. I have no doubt that if he were given the means to eliminate every person of faith from the face of the earth, he would not hesitate in doing so.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins
Post by: White Israelite on October 28, 2007, 02:47:58 PM
There are a few things I like about Dawkins.

His ideas about memes are interesting, and I think that memetics is one way to describe what can be termed "Cultural evolution".

Another thing I like about Dawkins is his description of a cell as a 'survival machine' for a bit of genetic material. This concept probably helps a lot in abiogenesis research.

Genetics preceded cells.

However I agree with most of what has been said about his being an arrogant and hateful person. I don't believe all atheists are this way, but a sizable number of them that I've met have been that way. He's not content to have his philosophy and leave others be, he feels that he must ridicule believers.

Neither theism nor atheism are based in science, as science only studies the natural world. Theism is a belief and atheism is generally a lack of belief in the supernatural. Dawkins crosses the line from a simple lack of belief, to that of a positive belief that there is no supernatural world. That's the distinction between weak and strong atheism. Strong atheists, in my experience, tend to be the more obnoxious types, while weak atheists tend toward agnosticism.

One of the most ridiculous things that Dawkins has been involved in was the "Brights", a group of atheists who apparently think they're brighter than the theists, even though they claim that's not what it means.

Do you believe that "weak atheists" exist? I think anyone that starts to question even to the slightest the non-existence of G-d or the standard atheist rationale is an agnostic, even if they may label themselves atheist.
I find that atheists are no different than fundamentalist Christian types or muslims that try and "convert" anyone who does not follow their line of thinking. Atheists are more obnoxious however as they look down upon anyone who might have a shred of belief in the supernatural as being intellectually challenged and needing "enlightenment". Dawkins is basically the Bin Laden of the atheists, utilising any means possible in extolling the virtues of his belief system on the uncoverted and "dumb" masses and sneering at their set of collective beliefs. I have no doubt that if he were given the means to eliminate every person of faith from the face of the earth, he would not hesitate in doing so.

An atheist can't convert anyone because atheism is not a religion.