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Taken from the approbations for the Divine Code by Rabbi Weiner, Second Edition:
Rabbi Eliyahu Touger, translator of the Rambam's Mishneh Torah
Rabbi Zalman Nehemiah Goldberg, Supreme Rabbinical Court of Israel
Rabbi Shlomo Moshe Amar, Chief Rabbi of Israel
Rabbi Yona Metzger, Chief Rabbi of Israel
Rabbi Gedaliah Dov Schwartz, Rabbinical Council of America
Rabbi J. Immanuel Schochet, a renowned authority on Jewish philosophy and mysticism
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Isn't there 10 commandments? Why are the gentiles have 7?
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Isn't there 10 commandments? Why are the gentiles have 7?
Are you that ignorant? There are no "10 Commandments" there is Aseret HaDibrot which properly translated into English means 10 Uterances or 10 Statements or 10 Sayings if there were only 10 Commandments they would be called Mitzvot not Dibrot & a Jew has 613 commandments not just 10 & a Goy has only 7 see https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm?gclid=CjwKCAjwtKmaBhBMEiwAyINuwL-jGnv_ZVq77Aygtk0HENcoyAY7_oCwX31be_IwvqIOm-1cd8gJVhoCyfcQAvD_BwE
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Hrvatski Noahid you appear to be really interested in fulfilling Noahide Law.
Through no fault of your own, you are phrasing the issue in a way that is a bit misleading.
The way that most people understand the statement you made, they would have difficulty understanding Ezekiel 16:49 for example.
Rabbi Moshe Feinstein formulates the issue in such a way that could explain Ezekiel 16:49 and other passages.
Radbaz quoted by Rabbi Feinstein could come up with other situations where Gentiles observe beyond the 7 basic laws.
Ask a rabbi or other expert to translate what Rabbi Feinstein said in Igrote Moshe , Yoreh Deah section 2, chapter 7.
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Hrvatski Noahid you appear to be really interested in fulfilling Noahide Law.
Through no fault of your own, you are phrasing the issue in a way that is a bit misleading.
The way that most people understand the statement you made, they would have difficulty understanding Ezekiel 16:49 for example.
Rabbi Moshe Feinstein formulates the issue in such a way that could explain Ezekiel 16:49 and other passages.
Radbaz quoted by Rabbi Feinstein could come up with other situations where Gentiles observe beyond the 7 basic laws.
Ask a rabbi or other expert to translate what Rabbi Feinstein said in Igrote Moshe , Yoreh Deah section 2, chapter 7.
Rabbi Weiner quoted and explained the Torah sources discussing Noahide law in his work "The Divine Code," the most authoritative and comprehensive explanation of the Noahide laws ever written. I studied the 2nd, 3rd and 4th edition of the book.
The general rule is that it is forbidden for a Gentile (an individual, and certainly a community which observes the Noahide Code) to add precepts from another religion or create a commandment based on his own decision. If he wants, he can seek proper conversion to become a Jew in all respects, or he can remain observant of the Noahide Code, without adding to or subtracting from the Noahide Commandments that he observes (the Divine Code, Second Edition, p 65).
It pains me that Chaim believes I misunderstand my own commandments. He convinced me that Zionism is a fundamental part of Judaism. I would never lecture him on his Jewish commandments.
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Yona Metzger was only recently released from prison after being convicted of taking bribery, fraud and stealing donation money, which led to his Rabbinic title being taken and himself barred from serving in any Rabbinic position for good. He also sexually harassed several teens and younger men.
Shlomo Amar's family hired Arab gangsters to kidnap and torture (Clockwork Orange style) a Jewish boy who was in a relationship with Amar's daughter.
Both of them called on Jewish soldiers to obey orders to expel the 10,000 Jews and destroy the dozens of communities, synagogues and cemeteries of Gush Katif and Northern Samaria.
Why are you calling these vermin Rabbis?
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Yona Metzger was only recently released from prison after being convicted of taking bribery, fraud and stealing donation money, which led to his Rabbinic title being taken and himself barred from serving in any Rabbinic position for good. He also sexually harassed several teens and younger men.
Shlomo Amar's family hired Arab gangsters to kidnap and torture (Clockwork Orange style) a Jewish boy who was in a relationship with Amar's daughter.
Both of them called on Jewish soldiers to obey orders to expel the 10,000 Jews and destroy the dozens of communities, synagogues and cemeteries of Gush Katif and Northern Samaria.
Why are you calling these vermin Rabbis?
My God, Ron.
A Rabbi can get it right regarding the Noahide laws while getting it wrong regarding Zionism. Likewise, a Rabbi like Cherky can get it right regarding Zionism while being an evil heretic regarding the Noahide laws.
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Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 23
4 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even the tenth generation shall never enter the assembly of the Lord.
5 Because they did not greet you with bread and water on the way, when you left Egypt, and because he [the people of Moab] hired Balaam the son of Beor from Pethor in Aram Naharaim against you, to curse you.
Hrvatski Noahid, please explain how not greeting with bread and water is a violation of the 7 commandments.
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Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 23
4 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even the tenth generation shall never enter the assembly of the Lord.
5 Because they did not greet you with bread and water on the way, when you left Egypt, and because he [the people of Moab] hired Balaam the son of Beor from Pethor in Aram Naharaim against you, to curse you.
Hrvatski Noahid, please explain how not greeting with bread and water is a violation of the 7 commandments.
It violates the obligation of doing kindness within the Noahide commandment of laws and courts.
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Taken from the approbations for the Divine Code by Rabbi Weiner, Second Edition:
Rabbi Eliyahu Touger, translator of the Rambam's Mishneh Torah
Rabbi Zalman Nehemiah Goldberg, Supreme Rabbinical Court of Israel
Rabbi Shlomo Moshe Amar, Chief Rabbi of Israel
Rabbi Yona Metzger, Chief Rabbi of Israel
Rabbi Gedaliah Dov Schwartz, Rabbinical Council of America
Rabbi J. Immanuel Schochet, a renowned authority on Jewish philosophy and mysticism
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Not one of these men that you cite would agree with your characterization of HaRav Sherki as an "evil heretic".
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Hrvatski Noahid on the basis of what are you making a connection between kindness and the Noahide commandment of laws and courts?
Noahides are given a reward for honoring parents - is this too, according to you, part of the Noahide commandment of laws and courts?
Rashi informs us the mother of Amon was rewarded for her good speach for not explicitly saying Lot was the father, unlike the mother of Moab, is this too related to "Laws and Courts"?
How do you explain the future celebration of the nations of the festival of Succot according to Zechariah Chapter 14 verse 16
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Hrvatski Noahid on the basis of what are you making a connection between kindness and the Noahide commandment of laws and courts?
Noahides are given a reward for honoring parents - is this too, according to you, part of the Noahide commandment of laws and courts?
Rashi informs us the mother of Amon was rewarded for her good speach for not explicitly saying Lot was the father, unlike the mother of Moab, is this too related to "Laws and Courts"?
How do you explain the future celebration of the nations of the festival of Succot according to Zechariah Chapter 14 verse 16
Please don't say "according to you." I am a Croatian Gentile who cites the teachings of Orthodox Rabbis, not my subjective opinion.
Societal morality and the obligation of doing kindness is part of the Noahide commandment of laws and courts (the Divine Code by Rabbi Weiner, Third Edition, p 692). This includes honoring parents (the same, p 694).
The prohibitions of embarrassing another person, evil gossip and tale-bearing are part of the Noahide prohibition of murder and injury (the Divine Code by Rabbi Weiner, Second Edition, p 453).
Your question about Zechariah is poor scholarship. We do not use from the prophets against a sefer halaha. But there is a good Chabad article called "How a Gentile Celebrates Sukkot" which answers your question:
"Zecharya’s reference to the sukkah is an allegory. He does not mean that in Messianic times the gentile will be obligated to eat in the sukkah together with the Jew, and be punished if he does not fulfill the mitzvah. He means that the gentile world will be expected to practice the lesson conveyed by the mitzvot of the festival of Sukkot. They must forsake their striving for selfish gain and replace it with a sense of responsibility and sharing of privileges with all of humanity. Hence, Zecharya’s words, “Lo ya’alu lachog et chag haSukkot” — “They have refused to go up to celebrate the festival of Sukkot” — can be explained to mean that they have refused to elevate themselves spiritually and realize the message that Sukkot teaches humanity."
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2829272/jewish/How-a-Gentile-Celebrates-Sukkot.htm
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Rabbi Saadia Gaon in emunot vdeot understands the commandment to observe succot in the future to be literal.
In general, you should know that the Rabbis worked hard when they found something in the book of Ezekiel that seemed to be different than Torah Law to make it fit into Torah Law as explained in the Talmud tractate chagiga 13a
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Clarification: when I said
In general, you should know that the Rabbis worked hard when they found something in the book of Ezekiel that seemed to be different than Torah Law to make it fit into Torah Law as explained in the Talmud tractate chagiga 13a
the point I was trying to make that it makes sense the Sages would take the same approach with the book of Zechariah.
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Are you that ignorant? There are no "10 Commandments" there is Aseret HaDibrot which properly translated into English means 10 Uterances or 10 Statements or 10 Sayings if there were only 10 Commandments they would be called Mitzvot not Dibrot & a Jew has 613 commandments not just 10 & a Goy has only 7 see https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm?gclid=CjwKCAjwtKmaBhBMEiwAyINuwL-jGnv_ZVq77Aygtk0HENcoyAY7_oCwX31be_IwvqIOm-1cd8gJVhoCyfcQAvD_BwE
Don't act like that. I didn't insult you, why are you insulting me? If you do that again, I'll report to the admins on the fourm.
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Are you that ignorant? There are no "10 Commandments" there is Aseret HaDibrot which properly translated into English means 10 Uterances or 10 Statements or 10 Sayings if there were only 10 Commandments they would be called Mitzvot not Dibrot & a Jew has 613 commandments not just 10 & a Goy has only 7 see https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm?gclid=CjwKCAjwtKmaBhBMEiwAyINuwL-jGnv_ZVq77Aygtk0HENcoyAY7_oCwX31be_IwvqIOm-1cd8gJVhoCyfcQAvD_BwE
I think there is actually 14 mitzvot in the Ten Commandments.
The Seven Noahide Laws are really 7 categories. 66 of the Torah's 613 mitzvot fall into those categories so goyim actually have to keep 66 but they are counted as 7.
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I think there is actually 14 mitzvot in the Ten Commandments.
The Seven Noahide Laws are really 7 categories. 66 of the Torah's 613 mitzvot fall into those categories so goyim actually have to keep 66 but they are counted as 7.
The 7 Noahide commandments have infinite details. They reflect the infinity of God.