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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: Dan Ben Noah on October 15, 2007, 12:26:24 AM
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Shalom
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yes this is correct
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I'm not going to argue with a Rabbi, but that sounds like a stringency to me. This might have been true 3000 years ago, but I doubt there is any problem with slaughtering techniques these days for gentiles.
WHATT, the exact opposite. In America they put electricity threw animals and kill them that way. Its all factories and mass production. People who do it the old fashined way for example muslims at least kill the animals threw the neck. - I dont want to give muslims buisness but I think that gentiles should either only eat kosher (even regular Kosher not necessarily Glatt) or Halah meat. Allthough maybe even NO for both of these groups- No to Hallal not to gove $ to muslims and no to regular kosher not to incourage butchers selling just regular Kosher and not Glatt. But its really up to them.
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The sanhedrin is a controversial thing.
The law is from the verse "flesh with its soul, its blood you shall not eat".
Nothing saying a noachide must keep kosher.
"it`s soul" is taken to mean "while it is alive".
The rabbis say not to eat a limb torn from a live animal.
http://asknoah.org/HTML%5Callowed_meat&blood.html
The guy that runs that site often visits Rabbi Yoel Schwartz with questions, he is an authority.
It says explicitly there that the law does not require them to eat kosher. I guess they can be more stringent
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I think your observation is correct. I would assume that most slaughterhouses don't cut up the animal while it is still alive, so you can assume that most non Kosher meat is fine. But the only way to be 100% certain is to eat Kosher meet or Halal or to go to the plant and find out what is going on there or to kill the animal yourself. Lobster is definitely forbidden to eat outside of your home since they boil it alive and that violates the commandment.
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Actually, I'm not so confident they cut up animals when they are dead anymore. See http://www.ericsecho.org/investigation.htm .Also according to the slaughterhouses when the animal is jerking after it is killed, it doesn't count as being alive but in Judaism this counts as Gentiles eating from a live animal.
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It is known that many modern slaughterhouses will start cutting the meat after shocking the animal but while it is still alive. For this reason, Noahides should try to get kosher meat.
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Eating only kosher meat is the safest way to observe the prohibition on blood.
I personally do NOT subscribe to this interpretation that it has to do with eating the limb of a living animal. I think that is a bit of "loosening of requirements" for non-Jews who might find eating kosher meat a bit too difficult.
Both early Christians (as evidenced by Acts 15) and Islam understood this prohibition to be against the consumption of meat with the blood still in it. Islam is actually a Noachide-compliant religion, if you're reviewing the 7 basic laws. It's their Jew-hatred and their lust for the Land that makes Islam out-of-line as a gentile religion. Few religious Jews seem to have a problem with the idea that Mohammed might have been a prophet for Arabs, not for Jews.
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Eating only kosher meat is the safest way to observe the prohibition on blood.
I personally do NOT subscribe to this interpretation that it has to do with eating the limb of a living animal. I think that is a bit of "loosening of requirements" for non-Jews who might find eating kosher meat a bit too difficult.
Both early Christians (as evidenced by Acts 15) and Islam understood this prohibition to be against the consumption of meat with the blood still in it. Islam is actually a Noachide-compliant religion, if you're reviewing the 7 basic laws. It's their Jew-hatred and their lust for the Land that makes Islam out-of-line as a gentile religion. Few religious Jews seem to have a problem with the idea that Mohammed might have been a prophet for Arabs, not for Jews.
Mohammed, a Prophet for Arabs?
Well, I guess Bilaam was a prophet for Moabites.
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Bilam was actually a real prohet for the goyim, Mohammed wasn't a proohet, not even a false prophet, in all of the koran their isnt even 1 prophecy.
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Bilam was actually a real prohet for the goyim, Mohammed wasn't a proohet, not even a false prophet, in all of the koran their isnt even 1 prophecy.
Bilam blessed nations i thought, is that considered the same as prophesizing
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Bilam was actually a real prohet for the goyim, Mohammed wasn't a proohet, not even a false prophet, in all of the koran their isnt even 1 prophecy.
Not true, Mohammed predicted the end of the world in 500 years.
So he was atleast 900 years premature assuming the world ends today.
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Bilam was actually a real prohet for the goyim, Mohammed wasn't a proohet, not even a false prophet, in all of the koran their isnt even 1 prophecy.
Bilam blessed nations i thought, is that considered the same as prophesizing
He did a lot of things, its known that he was a prohet of the nations on the level of Moshe, partly becuase for the nations not to say that they didnt have a prophet, and if they did then they would be rightious like the Jews.
Anyway I dont remember him blesing nations, he did bless Israel becuase G-d made him, but his real intentions were greed and evil towards them.
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Bilam was actually a real prohet for the goyim, Mohammed wasn't a proohet, not even a false prophet, in all of the koran their isnt even 1 prophecy.
Not true, Mohammed predicted the end of the world in 500 years.
So he was atleast 900 years premature assuming the world ends today.
Lets be serious. I know your being sarcastic but maybe others wont understand and believe you by mistake.