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Save Western Civilization => Save Europe => Topic started by: MarZutra on October 15, 2007, 08:14:35 AM
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The Muslim's taqiyya is improving every day. They sure know how to work the system. But their big mistake is that they think that all infidels are fools, and that their governments' actions reflect the general public sentiment. I believe that it is only a matter of time before Western infidels elect Hitler-like demagogues who promise a Final Solution to the Muslim Problem. But it's going to get ugly before it gets really ugly.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1676
October 12, 2007
Britain thrilled by offer to submit or die
The open letter from 138 Muslim scholars to the Pope and the leaders of other Christian churches on the subject of peace between the faiths has got the British establishment purring with pleasure. The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Bishop of London have fallen on their knees and given thanks. The Times raved:
Rarely, indeed, has the Muslim world spoken out so clearly on the need for global peace or addressed Christianity in such terms of respect and acceptance of common beliefs… it will make it harder for those who thrive on a narrow, militant interpretation of Islam to pose as the true guardians of the faith.
The Telegraph gushed:
In an age when Islamic extremism, with its call for lethal revolution, appears to be making the running, it is deeply encouraging to hear a large group of Muslim leaders advocating peaceful coexistence with Christians.
I must have been reading a different document altogether. For it is a classic piece of manipulation and, I'm afraid to say, menace. Masquerading as the promotion of peace through emphasising characteristics that these religions apparently share, it instead effectively puts a scimitar to the neck of the Christian church and says: 'Peace on our terms'.
At least one cleric gets it. In the Times the Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, the one Anglican who understands the threat from Islamism, noted that the letter required Christians to adopt the Muslim belief in the oneness of God.
'One partner cannot dictate the terms on which dialogue must be conducted. This document seems to be on the verge of doing that.'
Others, such as Ruth Gledhill and Robert Spencer have drawn attention to its theological slipperiness and the way it leaves out all the bits in the Koran which revile, curse and urge war upon Jews and Christians. But for me, the message was plain from the internal logic of the document's argument.
First and foremost, it purports to be a plea to Muslims and Christians to make peace with each other. But this implies that both are at war with each other. This is untrue. The Islamic world — or part of it — has waged war on the Christian (and Jewish) western world. The Christian world is merely responding in self-defence. It is the Islamic world which says it wants to conquer the Christian. The Christian world does not say it wants to conquer Islam, merely that Islam should stop trying to conquer it. Yet the Islamic world pretends that the Christian world is engaged in an act of exterminatory aggression against it.
That lie is the motor of the jihad. That lie is fundamental to the absence of peace between the religions. Yet this letter fails totally to acknowledge this seminal fact. It says:
The future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians.
Very true; but for this piety to be any more than a meaningless truism, the Islamic world has to end its aggression. The letter makes no acknowledgement of this. All the emphasis is on the Christian world altering its behaviour. So its inescapable implication is that for peace to occur, the Christian world must abandon its own self-defence. In other words, there can be no peace without the Christian world surrendering to Islam.
Conspicuously, the letter does not rule out all justification for Islam waging war on Christians. Indeed, by saying that Muslims won't attack Christians unless Christians attack them, it threatens that it will indeed attack Christians if it thinks it is justified in doing so:
As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them—so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes, (in accordance with the verse of the Holy Qur'an [Al-Mumtahinah, 60:8] quoted above).
But since the global jihad is being conducted expressly on the false justification that the Christian west is indeed attacking the Islamic world, this amounts to a threat of more of the same unless the west desists. Considering whether Christianity is necessarily against Muslims, it does not answer but instead graciously declares:
We therefore invite Christians to consider Muslims not against and thus with them, in accordance with Jesus Christ's words here.
In other words, the implication is that Christians are unjustifiably aggressive towards Muslims, and this is because they have failed to understand their own Scripture. And so when it says
So let our differences not cause hatred and strife between us. Let us vie with each other only in righteousness and good works. Let us respect each other, be fair, just and kind to another and live in sincere peace, harmony and mutual goodwill
it's really a variation of the ancient adage: submit or die.
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Seems like a thinly veiled 'invitation to islam' and before declaring war on the infidel, muslims are required to invite them to islam, if they reject the invitation, then the war is valid (in their twisted minds)
Same thing that ahmalittlenutjob did with his letter to Bush, and binladin in his address to the American people....inviting them to islam.
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Islam is slavery, and it's peace means death; unfortunetly some dhimis still chose not to see this. :(
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I agree. Sadly Europe and the West (Israel included) will not toss out this plan for Globalism or Neo-Conservatism/Socialism and accept reality; Islam is akin to Nazism and about as bankrupt as Socialism...
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Islam is akin to Nazism and about as bankrupt as Socialism
islam is more dangerous than both because it operates under the false guise of a "religion" which is why its so hard to combat it, it wasnt hard for our leaders to say we were at war with nazis or communists...yet they refuse to name the enemy this time, which makes fighting that enemy difficult. We are conditioned, especially in western countries, to respect others beliefs and religions, therefore we are having a hard time getting around that 'religion' label....it doesnt help when the so called leader of the free world calls islam 'one of the worlds great religions' either.
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yes you make a good case...
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"I believe that it is only a matter of time before Western infidels elect Hitler-like demagogues who promise a Final Solution to the Muslim Problem."
How I wish one of them was me!
I already have the solution, albeit a highly devastating one.
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The Jews are a great people who mostly enhance ones society .The mooslums are parasites.I could go for a final solution but I might use different wording,For those words even offend me!
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The Jews are a great people who mostly enhance ones society .The mooslums are parasites.I could go for a final solution but I might use different wording,For those words even offend me!
OUTSTANDING , count me in ,
De inimico non loquaris sed cogites
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English...my friend from Manchester tells me that the once Great Britain is sinking like the titanic thanks to Turd World immigration and political corruption...?
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English...my friend from Manchester tells me that the once Great Britain is sinking like the titanic thanks to Turd World immigration and political corruption...?
Lol it must be, my friend Tony lives in Camberley and always said how much he loved it there, just lately hes been saying "be a pal and marry me so I can get a green card" :laugh: He says its going quickly downhill, which is sad, I was there in 2000 and loved it, he says that I would feel like I was in a backwards third world toilet in many places now :(
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Mean to say, but they are getting what they deserve.I hear alot of Jews even support the BNP out of a lesser out of two evils mentality. :)
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Mean to say, but they are getting what they deserve.I hear alot of Jews even support the BNP out of a lesser out of two evils mentality. :)
That's quite ironic, considering Antisemitism in England is at another surge, especially in the Northwest, (e.g., Manchester) where the King David School has had high fences and bomb windows installed for fear of massive attacks. You can find the documentary on YouTube still, I think.
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Yes.It is strange but one must remember the authorities lump together hate crimes by Nazis and mooslums together.
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Mean to say, but they are getting what they deserve.I hear alot of Jews even support the BNP out of a lesser out of two evils mentality. :)
That's quite ironic, considering Antisemitism in England is at another surge, especially in the Northwest, (e.g., Manchester) where the King David School has had high fences and bomb windows installed for fear of massive attacks. You can find the documentary on YouTube still, I think.
Nobody dare to make research how much of this acts is comitted by nazi muslims an how much by neo nazim; but I bet they did not installed those anti bomb defences against the few retarded WASP skinheads. And back to BNP they can be only earthly hope we can get aside from military coup de etate; real nazis usualy alie themselfs with muslims agianst the Jews
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A final sollution to the islamic question cannot come soon enough.
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A final sollution to the islamic question cannot come soon enough.
thanks for making me laugh ;)
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Does anyone know Guillaume Faye's book "La colonisation de l’Europe" ?
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Does anyone know Guillaume Faye's book "La colonisation de l’Europe" ?
I havent heard of it, is it in english?
Ive read 2 other great books on the islamization of europe
The Rage and the Pride by Oriana Fallaci
and Eurabia by Bat Ye'Or
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I put them in my to read-list.
This book is in French. I don't think it is translated.
The Islamic Conquest of Europe
Guillaume Faye, La colonisation de l’Europe: Discours vrai sur l’immigration et l’islam, Paris: Aencre, 2000
There are officially four million Muslims in France today. The real figure is almost certainly higher, probably between six and seven million believers. Islam is already France’s second largest religion, with 1,430 official mosques. Its followers are young, whereas practicing Catholics are old. If demographic trends are taken into account (a steady, uncontrolled flow of immigrants and a higher birth rate) Islam will become the dominant religion in France as early as 2015, if nothing is done to prevent it. France currently has more Muslims than Albania and Bosnia combined. In the European Union, the number of Muslims is estimated at fifteen million. It is growing in all European countries.
To claim today that France could never become an Islamic republic or even a Muslim country is as risky as someone denying in the 1980s the possibility of German reunification or the demise of Communism in the USSR.
None of my remarks will be hateful toward Islam, though it does not always reciprocate. On the other hand, I do indeed consider Islam a grave threat and an enemy, since this conquering religion is engaged in a massive and deliberate settlement of Europe. You do not despise an enemy; you combat him. And in attempting to understand your enemy, you should not descend to the naivety of contemporary intellectuals, who reflexively declare Islam tolerant, without ever having studied it.
It is perfectly possible to share values in common with your enemy. His character as enemy arises, in this case, only because he has first imposed himself on you as an occupier. We can, in agreement with Islam, resist or deplore the West’s materialism and its exaggerated, deranged individualism, but nevertheless regard the establishment of Islam in Europe as an act of war, according to the Koran’s own rigorous teachings. Carl Schmitt’s warning aptly applies to all Europeans who remain naive and tolerant toward Islam: “You don’t decide who your enemy is; he decides. You can easily declare him your friend, but if he decides that he is your enemy, there is nothing you can do about it.”
Contrary to the opinion of Islamophiles, Islam is not simply a “universal faith” like Christianity; it is also a community of civilization (umma) which aims at expansion. The implicit project of Islam is quite simply the conquest of Europe, both religiously and ethnically, as the Koran stipulates. We are already at war. Westerners, unlike the Russians, have not yet grasped this fact.
For even if Islam conveys transcendent values and proposes an individual and a collective doctrine of life — imposing high, intangible standards on its believers, thus endowing their lives with meaning — it nevertheless corresponds to nothing in the European soul and temperament. Its massive introduction into Europe would disfigure a European culture already damaged by Americanization. An assertive dogmatism, an absence of the Faustian spirit, a fundamental denial of humanism (understood as the autonomy of the human will) in favor of an absolute submission to God, an extreme rigidity of social obligations and prohibitions, a theocratic confusion of civil society, religion and the political State, an absolute monotheism, a profound ambivalence toward artistic freedom and scientific inquiry — all these traits are incompatible with traditional European patterns of thought, which are fundamentally polytheistic.
Those who believe that Islam can be Europeanized, can adapt to European culture, can accept the concept of secularism, make a dreadful error. Islam, essentially, does not understand compromise. Its essence is authoritarian and bellicose. It is the religion par excellence of a desert people. Put differently, with the colonizing introduction of Islam into Europe, two dangers arise: disfiguration or war.
Julho 7th, 2007
http://guillaumefayearchive.wordpress.com/who-is-guillaume-faye/ (http://guillaumefayearchive.wordpress.com/who-is-guillaume-faye/)
http://guillaumefayearchive.wordpress.com/2007/07/07/the-islamic-conquest-of-europe/ (http://guillaumefayearchive.wordpress.com/2007/07/07/the-islamic-conquest-of-europe/)
great literature...
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Britain is dead ....Why worry! :)
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Britain is dead ....Why worry! :)
Britain today; America tomorrow like in nazi song: Today's is our germany and tomorrow will be the whole world they almost suceded. :( That's why everybody shudbe worry; not to mention the looses to global comerce and scientific output the islamicised UK an/or Europe will be another pisllamic s...hole producing only Jihad. The real medival crisis the "dark ages" came to Europe after A-rab conquest of ME and Med basin in VII century.