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General Category => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: Frodo on October 15, 2007, 05:12:57 PM
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Hello together,
first of all sorry for my horrible english !
I'm also a reader (not member) from "die gruene Pest"
I found your Forum very good and informativ.
afther reading the posts from "Goldfasan and German Christ" it is sad for me to see
that we are not really accepted, certainly I understand.
I only wanted to say one thing, we (Jewish and Cristians) living in a time we have to fight
for the future of us and our children against an islamic world how's complitly crazy and have only in mind to eradicate us.
there is really no time to bring up hitler,nazis etc.don't misunderstand me, but this was happened im ww2 we are not able to turn back we have to accept allthe hate does't make any
person make alive. you can forgive but not forget, this is clear.
If we want to have a future the only way is stay together, otherwise we will lose this fight against the "muselmurder"
greetings
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we (Jewish and Cristians) living in a time we have to fight
You are correct in this statement, the entire non muslim world must come together if we are to defeat what is facing us. We need to work together, islam has been at war in one way or another with the civilized world for 1400 years, we need to finish it once and for all.
Welcome
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You are very welcome
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Hello Frodo. What is your nickname at Grüne-Pest? Please tell me, before i welcome you.
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Welcome to the board.
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Welcome aboard.
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Sorry. I have not readed your text well. My question is done.
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Welcome to the forum!
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Welcome to the forum!
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A concept like guilt by association can be taken too far, and I believe some people do that with Germans...on the other hand, skepticism is perfectly natural.
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You are very welcome, Frodo.
Enjoy while you are here.
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He's not a poster at Gruene Pest just a looker
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Wellcome to the forum!!
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frodo:
"I only wanted to say one thing, we (Jewish and Cristians) living in a time we have to fight
for the future of us and our children against an islamic world how's complitly crazy and have only in mind to eradicate us."
:o
NAZICRIMES WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN AND FORGIVEN.
>:(
It was a time for SURVIVING for serbs and Jews,
during WWII,
when facing NAZIGERMANS AND THEIR NAZIHYENAS.
We Serbs and Jews had DEFINITELY to fight for the future of us and our children against GERMANAZIS.
This completely crazy islamic world is being helped by germany nowadays.
In Serbian kosovo, alongside with ALBANAZIS.
Serbian churches were destroyed mainly there,
where the UN germans were "expected" to protect them.
In Bosnia, alongside BOSNOMUSLIMNAZIS.
In the ghaza "stripe", for instance, supplying balestinians with food if not with weapons.
You germanazis, whatever the fate of your unterland,
you did whatever it took to bring it in the position it is now.
ON WHICH FORUM WOULD YOU SEEK HELP,
IF YOU SUCCEEDED IN EXTERMINATING SERBS AND JEWS, AMONG MANY OTHERS ?
GO CRY IN KROATENFORUM !
>:( >:( >:(
I'm angry, I know.
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Thank you all for the welcome
I'm just reading thru the forum, with the dictionary by myside ;D
Sceptic about my person is ok, I would do the same.
However, for some years I'm interesstet to know more about jewishness.
Long time we get every three months a little booklet, called "Freund" for free
I really can't remember why, it's from Switzerland,publisher is "Charles Reichenbach"
It's about how to live as a christian and how we are related to Israel.
There are also news about Israel.
Reichenbach is also organising Holidays and biblecourses in Israel.
I have read many Homepages about Israel and find it is a wonderfull and holy Country
One day,I hope our family can spend a holiday in Israel, it's my little dream to see the holy Land.
The reason why I'm reading gruene Pest or ffi is my deepest aversion against Islam and Muslims.
In the meantime I know a lot of this "Sect" it isn't just a religion, if you study their habits you only can come to the conclusion it has the caracter of a Sect, a deadly Sect,destroying not only themselfs and the nature (look at the Countries were they live in the majority),they are also like parasites, coming to
cultures which are rich an education, money,infrastructure and suck them away, let back a burned out
country full of idiots.
Like the mentality of the foudner mohamed all his life he did or tried to do like this, untill today his fellows do
it in the same way.
My kids will not live in a maniac World of "Musels", therfore I have to fight, ask for help and give help.
greetings
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frodo:
"I only wanted to say one thing, we (Jewish and Cristians) living in a time we have to fight
for the future of us and our children against an islamic world how's complitly crazy and have only in mind to eradicate us."
:o
NAZICRIMES WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN AND FORGIVEN.
>:(
It was a time for SURVIVING for serbs and Jews,
during WWII,
when facing NAZIGERMANS AND THEIR NAZIHYENAS.
We Serbs and Jews had DEFINITELY to fight for the future of us and our children against GERMANAZIS.
This completely crazy islamic world is being helped by germany nowadays.
In Serbian kosovo, alongside with ALBANAZIS.
Serbian churches were destroyed mainly there,
where the UN germans were "expected" to protect them.
In Bosnia, alongside BOSNOMUSLIMNAZIS.
In the ghaza "stripe", for instance, supplying balestinians with food if not with weapons.
You germanazis, whatever the fate of your unterland,
you did whatever it took to bring it in the position it is now.
ON WHICH FORUM WOULD YOU SEEK HELP,
IF YOU SUCCEEDED IN EXTERMINATING SERBS AND JEWS, AMONG MANY OTHERS ?
GO CRY IN KROATENFORUM !
>:( >:( >:(
I'm angry, I know.
@Husar
I'm not a Politican, neither 1933 nor todays, but times will change, this is certain.
And in that time I will be Involved.
greetings
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frodo:
"I only wanted to say one thing, we (Jewish and Cristians) living in a time we have to fight
for the future of us and our children against an islamic world how's complitly crazy and have only in mind to eradicate us."
:o
NAZICRIMES WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN AND FORGIVEN.
>:(
It was a time for SURVIVING for serbs and Jews,
during WWII,
when facing NAZIGERMANS AND THEIR NAZIHYENAS.
We Serbs and Jews had DEFINITELY to fight for the future of us and our children against GERMANAZIS.
This completely crazy islamic world is being helped by germany nowadays.
In Serbian kosovo, alongside with ALBANAZIS.
Serbian churches were destroyed mainly there,
where the UN germans were "expected" to protect them.
In Bosnia, alongside BOSNOMUSLIMNAZIS.
In the ghaza "stripe", for instance, supplying balestinians with food if not with weapons.
You germanazis, whatever the fate of your unterland,
you did whatever it took to bring it in the position it is now.
ON WHICH FORUM WOULD YOU SEEK HELP,
IF YOU SUCCEEDED IN EXTERMINATING SERBS AND JEWS, AMONG MANY OTHERS ?
GO CRY IN KROATENFORUM !
>:( >:( >:(
I'm angry, I know.
Calm down, most of the europeans took part in the Holocuast, as the Polish people,
the Frenchs,
The Austrians,
The Romanians,
The Hungrians.
The Italians
And more, so if you are angry about the Germans, get angry at all of the people I listed above.
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Which nation invented national socialism?
Which nation voted hitler into power?
Which nation is responsible for the nuremburg laws?
Which nation decided on the "final solution"?
In which nation did kristalnacht occur?
Which nation came up with the idea of concentration camps, death camps, gas chambers and crematoria?
Which nation rampaged through europe to collect and deport all of the Jews to their deaths?
Which nation had little to no resistance against the nazis?
Which nation initiated "medical expirementation" on humans in the most barbaric and inhumane ways?
Which nation was ultimately responsible for the Holocaust?
If it weren't for the germans, would any of the other countries you listed ended up doing what they did? I'm not against pro-Jewish, pro-Israel germans who are sincere, I am against the whitewashing of history in making the germans seem less responsible than they really are for what they did to our people.
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frodo:
"I only wanted to say one thing, we (Jewish and Cristians) living in a time we have to fight
for the future of us and our children against an islamic world how's complitly crazy and have only in mind to eradicate us."
:o
NAZICRIMES WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN AND FORGIVEN.
>:(
It was a time for SURVIVING for serbs and Jews,
during WWII,
when facing NAZIGERMANS AND THEIR NAZIHYENAS.
We Serbs and Jews had DEFINITELY to fight for the future of us and our children against GERMANAZIS.
This completely crazy islamic world is being helped by germany nowadays.
In Serbian kosovo, alongside with ALBANAZIS.
Serbian churches were destroyed mainly there,
where the UN germans were "expected" to protect them.
In Bosnia, alongside BOSNOMUSLIMNAZIS.
In the ghaza "stripe", for instance, supplying balestinians with food if not with weapons.
You germanazis, whatever the fate of your unterland,
you did whatever it took to bring it in the position it is now.
ON WHICH FORUM WOULD YOU SEEK HELP,
IF YOU SUCCEEDED IN EXTERMINATING SERBS AND JEWS, AMONG MANY OTHERS ?
GO CRY IN KROATENFORUM !
>:( >:( >:(
I'm angry, I know.
Calm down, most of the europeans took part in the Holocuast, as the Polish people,
the Frenchs,
The Austrians,
The Romanians,
The Hungrians.
The Italians
And more, so if you are angry about the Germans, get angry at all of the people I listed above.
Yes we Poles were so anti semitic that good germans came to rescue Polish Jews and thats Why they killed 3 milions Polish Chritians. And then the Jews all comitted suicide; Yes holocaust happen in the Poland not Denmark but not becouse we were such jew-haters - Why do you think all those Jews lived in Poland in first place; but becouse Poland with half of European Jewry was situated in the centre of Europe and it was easier and cheaper for nazi gemans who were practicall people to bring the other half of Jews to OCUPAIED Poland. We coud bow to hitler demand and give our Jews in exchange to peace like Hungarians did but we choosed to fight instead; While England France and USA with American Jewry watched silently the Polish expatriot soldiers and resictance including jewish fighters fought against most brutal and inhumane ocupation in all times . Few bomb raids on gass chambers and crematoria or rail lines coud recue houndred of thousands people; The High and mighty West who sold us later to Stalin in Yalta did nothing despite protest from polish goverment in London and despite reports from Warsaw Ghetto and Treblinka done by Jan Karski since 1942; alies choosed to not see; so after 1945 they started to call us all antisemites to ease their concience after 1939 and 1945 betrayals. But we shoud always blame germans becouse without them and their 99% support to rascist evil pagan nazi aryan ideology there woud be no holocaust.
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frodo:
"I only wanted to say one thing, we (Jewish and Cristians) living in a time we have to fight
for the future of us and our children against an islamic world how's complitly crazy and have only in mind to eradicate us."
:o
NAZICRIMES WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN AND FORGIVEN.
>:(
It was a time for SURVIVING for serbs and Jews,
during WWII,
when facing NAZIGERMANS AND THEIR NAZIHYENAS.
We Serbs and Jews had DEFINITELY to fight for the future of us and our children against GERMANAZIS.
This completely crazy islamic world is being helped by germany nowadays.
In Serbian kosovo, alongside with ALBANAZIS.
Serbian churches were destroyed mainly there,
where the UN germans were "expected" to protect them.
In Bosnia, alongside BOSNOMUSLIMNAZIS.
In the ghaza "stripe", for instance, supplying balestinians with food if not with weapons.
You germanazis, whatever the fate of your unterland,
you did whatever it took to bring it in the position it is now.
ON WHICH FORUM WOULD YOU SEEK HELP,
IF YOU SUCCEEDED IN EXTERMINATING SERBS AND JEWS, AMONG MANY OTHERS ?
GO CRY IN KROATENFORUM !
>:( >:( >:(
I'm angry, I know.
Calm down, most of the europeans took part in the Holocuast, as the Polish people,
the Frenchs,
The Austrians,
The Romanians,
The Hungrians.
The Italians
And more, so if you are angry about the Germans, get angry at all of the people I listed above.
Yes we Poles were so anti semitic that good germans came to rescue Polish Jews and thats Why they killed 3 milions Polish Chritians. And then the Jews all comitted suicide; Yes holocaust happen in the Poland not Denmark but not becouse we were such jew-haters - Why do you think all those Jews lived in Poland in first place; but becouse Poland with half of European Jewry was situated in the centre of Europe and it was easier and cheaper for nazi gemans who were practicall people to bring the other half of Jews to OCUPAIED Poland. We coud bow to hitler demand and give our Jews in exchange to peace like Hungarians did but we choosed to fight instead; While England France and USA with American Jewry watched silently the Polish expatriot soldiers and resictance including jewish fighters fought against most brutal and inhumane ocupation in all times . Few bomb raids on gass chambers and crematoria or rail lines coud recue houndred of thousands people; The High and mighty West who sold us later to Stalin in Yalta did nothing despite protest from polish goverment in London and despite reports from Warsaw Ghetto and Treblinka done by Jan Karski since 1942; alies choosed to not see; so after 1945 they started to call us all antisemites to ease their concience after 1939 and 1945 betrayals. But we shoud always blame germans becouse without them and their 99% support to rascist evil pagan nazi aryan ideology there woud be no holocaust.
You killed 1-3 milions of Jews, and after the war ended you massacared the Jews who left (, I don't blame you for that, I don't blame the whole Poles, I don't blame today's poles.
*Jedwabne pogrom (Polish)
*Kielce pogrom (Polish)
*Legionnaires' rebellion and Bucharest pogrom (Hungarian)
*Lviv pogroms (Polish)
*Kristallnacht (German)
*Kaunas pogrom (Lithuanian)
*Iaşi pogrom (Romanian)
And more and more....
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The difference is that a few Poles collaborated, but Polish people as a group did not harm Jews. By that standard, Jews also were involved in the holocaust (by killing other Jews), as yes, self-hating Jews did aid it. Romanians overthrew their anti-Jew regime before the war ended. On the other hand, Germans never overthrew Hitler, and had support accross the population.
The Polish community as a group was certainly not an agent in the holocaust, anything else is revisionism.
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You are right ultra.My mother always said the Poles hearts were in the right place at the wrong time.And dam they tried to fight the sickness called nazis!They just had no chance....
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The difference is that a few Poles collaborated, but Polish people as a group did not harm Jews. By that standard, Jews also were involved in the holocaust (by killing other Jews), as yes, self-hating Jews did aid it. Romanians overthrew their anti-Jew regime before the war ended. On the other hand, Germans never overthrew Hitler, and had support accross the population.
The Polish community as a group was certainly not an agent in the holocaust, anything else is revisionism.
The fact that the romanians had antisimetic regime don't mean that the Romanian were antisimetics as a group, the facts are that some Romanians killed Jews, some Poles killed Jews, some Jews killed Jews, some Germans killed Jews and so on. Therefor I can't blame a whole people for being antisimetic, besides, there were also anti-Nazi German plot, and anti-Nazi groups, so...?
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The difference is that a few Poles collaborated, but Polish people as a group did not harm Jews. By that standard, Jews also were involved in the holocaust (by killing other Jews), as yes, self-hating Jews did aid it. Romanians overthrew their anti-Jew regime before the war ended. On the other hand, Germans never overthrew Hitler, and had support accross the population.
The Polish community as a group was certainly not an agent in the holocaust, anything else is revisionism.
The fact that the romanians had antisimetic regime don't mean that the Romanian were antisimetics as a group, the facts are that some Romanians killed Jews, some Poles killed Jews, some Jews killed Jews, some Germans killed Jews and so on. Therefor I can't blame a whole people for being antisimetic, besides, there were also anti-Nazi German plot, and anti-Nazi groups, so...?
Yes Dexter in July 1944; after D-Day and Bagration when they realised the war is lost for Germany; so they tried to kill him to reduce the loses; for ex; untill 1942 von Staufenberg was nazi Only man who was from start against nazism was admiral Canaris and his Shwartze Kappelle inside Abwher they rescued some jews and polish oficers and got them to alied side as fake spies; I'm very interested who gave you those numbers.
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The difference is that a few Poles collaborated, but Polish people as a group did not harm Jews. By that standard, Jews also were involved in the holocaust (by killing other Jews), as yes, self-hating Jews did aid it. Romanians overthrew their anti-Jew regime before the war ended. On the other hand, Germans never overthrew Hitler, and had support accross the population.
The Polish community as a group was certainly not an agent in the holocaust, anything else is revisionism.
The fact that the romanians had antisimetic regime don't mean that the Romanian were antisimetics as a group, the facts are that some Romanians killed Jews, some Poles killed Jews, some Jews killed Jews, some Germans killed Jews and so on. Therefor I can't blame a whole people for being antisimetic, besides, there were also anti-Nazi German plot, and anti-Nazi groups, so...?
Yes Dexter in July 1944; after D-Day and Bagration when they realised the war is lost for Germany; so they tried to kill him to reduce the loses; for ex; untill 1942 von Staufenberg was nazi Only man who was from start against nazism was admiral Canaris and his Shwartze Kappelle inside Abwher they rescued some jews and polish oficers and got them to alied side as fake spies; I'm very interested who gave you those numbers.
What numbers ?
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The difference is that a few Poles collaborated, but Polish people as a group did not harm Jews. By that standard, Jews also were involved in the holocaust (by killing other Jews), as yes, self-hating Jews did aid it. Romanians overthrew their anti-Jew regime before the war ended. On the other hand, Germans never overthrew Hitler, and had support accross the population.
The Polish community as a group was certainly not an agent in the holocaust, anything else is revisionism.
The fact that the romanians had antisimetic regime don't mean that the Romanian were antisimetics as a group, the facts are that some Romanians killed Jews, some Poles killed Jews, some Jews killed Jews, some Germans killed Jews and so on. Therefor I can't blame a whole people for being antisimetic, besides, there were also anti-Nazi German plot, and anti-Nazi groups, so...?
Yes Dexter in July 1944; after D-Day and Bagration when they realised the war is lost for Germany; so they tried to kill him to reduce the loses; for ex; untill 1942 von Staufenberg was nazi Only man who was from start against nazism was admiral Canaris and his Shwartze Kappelle inside Abwher they rescued some jews and polish oficers and got them to alied side as fake spies; I'm very interested who gave you those numbers.
What numbers ?
You killed 1-3 milions of Jews, and after the war ended you massacared the Jews who left (, I don't blame you for that, I don't blame the whole Poles, I don't blame today's poles
Those ones.
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The difference is that a few Poles collaborated, but Polish people as a group did not harm Jews. By that standard, Jews also were involved in the holocaust (by killing other Jews), as yes, self-hating Jews did aid it. Romanians overthrew their anti-Jew regime before the war ended. On the other hand, Germans never overthrew Hitler, and had support accross the population.
The Polish community as a group was certainly not an agent in the holocaust, anything else is revisionism.
The fact that the romanians had antisimetic regime don't mean that the Romanian were antisimetics as a group, the facts are that some Romanians killed Jews, some Poles killed Jews, some Jews killed Jews, some Germans killed Jews and so on. Therefor I can't blame a whole people for being antisimetic, besides, there were also anti-Nazi German plot, and anti-Nazi groups, so...?
Yes Dexter in July 1944; after D-Day and Bagration when they realised the war is lost for Germany; so they tried to kill him to reduce the loses; for ex; untill 1942 von Staufenberg was nazi Only man who was from start against nazism was admiral Canaris and his Shwartze Kappelle inside Abwher they rescued some jews and polish oficers and got them to alied side as fake spies; I'm very interested who gave you those numbers.
What numbers ?
You killed 1-3 milions of Jews, and after the war ended you massacared the Jews who left (, I don't blame you for that, I don't blame the whole Poles, I don't blame today's poles
Those ones.
Well..
From the fact that almost all Jews in Polish were destroyd, and when the German invade Poland they took poles to their Army and to the SS that destroyd the Jews as you and I know.
And about the massacars, I already gave you a list.
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The people from lands anexed by III Reich were conscribed to Wermacht by not as Poles but becouse they were treated as "ethnic germans" - Volks Deutche; becouse their ancestors were Prussian subjects before 1918; all Poles and Jews who settled in Great Poland, Pomern and Silesia after Polish independance of 1918 were forcibly tranferred to "General Goverment" 90% of polish Jews were wiped out becouse Poland was only country in Europe in which nazi german ocupiers punished anybody helping Jews with death; including his entire family; and german ocupation was longest and most brutal here (from IX 1939 to I 1945):
10. Why Was Poland Chosen as the Site of Extermination?
Anti-semitism of the local population certainly was not the reason for the Nazis' choice of Poland as the main extermination site for the Jews (who were also being murdered in the Reich, e.g., in Dachau, Sachsenhausen, and other camps). Certain segments of the Polish population were indeed anti-semitic, but this had changed when the Poles saw the persecution of Jews with their own eyes and when they themselves became subject to deportations, mass arrests, concentration camps and mass executions. Historians of Jewish persecutions are unanimous in their agreement that, after the Jews, the Poles were the most oppressed of all nations and were doomed to gradual extermination in accordance with the General Eastern Plan. Among charges listed in the indictment presented by Gideon llausner, prosecutor at the Eichmann trial, one (no. 9) was that Eichmann was responsible for the deportation of 500,000 Poles. Eichmann was convicted on this count, too, and the sentence assumed he had been motivated by his intention to destroy the intelligentsia class of Polish society.
The real reason why Poland had been chosen was the fact that of all the European Jews marked for extermination, three and a half million were already in Poland. German railroad transportation lines were overburdened because of the war. It was much simpler to build the extermination camps in Poland and to bring in the Polish Jews from nearby areas, rather than to transport them by rail to Hungary
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or France. The largest of these camps, Auschwitz, was established near the German border to shorten the distance for the transport of Jews from Hungary, France, and Italy. After the outbreak of the Soviet-German war, when transportation problems became even more acute, one and a half million Polish and Russian Jews were murdered by special units, the so-called "Einsatzgruppen"-not in the extermination camps, but on the spot, in front of the mass graves they had been forced to dig for themselves.
Transport problems played a role not only in the extermination of the Jews, but also in considerations of ways to save them. In 1942, British Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden told President Franklin D. Roosevelt
"The whole problem of the Jews in Europe is very difficult and we should move very cautiously about offering to take all Jews out of a country. If we do so, then the Jews of the world will be wanting us to make similar offers in Poland and Germany. Hitler might take us up on any such offer, and there simply are not enough ships and means of transportation in the world to handle them...."(6)
The Germans also undoubtedly reasoned that this greatest crime in the history of the world might be easier to hide in eastern Europe, cut off from the world by German occupation, than in the west, which--although also under German occupation--could never be isolated effectively from neutral countries, like Switzerland or Spain, or even from England.
One cannot end an account of the extermination of the Jews without stating that the guilt of genocide will rest forever on the entire German nation, which--from the first anti-Jewish excesses in pre-war Germany and as long as Hitler was winning the war--supported the Fuhrer and identified fully with him and with the Nazi party. Nothing but words--protests or threats--came from the Allies, but their responsibility is of an entirely different kind and can in no way be compared to that of the Germans. The sin of commission cannot be compared to the sin of omission.
Read this:
http://www.ucis.pitt.edu/eehistory/H200Readings/Topic4-R3.html
And for Kielce and jedwabne they were local pogroms; the first was comitted under soviet and second under nazi inspiration but all those responsible Polish Chritisns who dishonored our country shoud be hanged; some but unfortunely not all were. If Poland was indeed responsible for Shaoh we woud be swarmed by pisslamic animals like France or germany today and we shoud be hated by G-d, Jews and entire world; couse pissslamic Invasion is G-d's wratch for Holocaust.
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couse pissslamic Invasion is G-d's wratch for Holocaust.
This is what my Mother told me, Jews are Gods people and anyone who tried to eliminate them will be punished by God.
I just hope we'll get the chance to reparative our guiltiness.
This time will come, there is a prophecy, once Israel will be in a big war with the arabic world
Israel will be on the edge of disaster, in that time all western Countries will stay together an save Israel
to decline.
Germany will do his part and so God want take away our guilt.
Yes, it is not easy for us to live with the holocaust, but noone can make it undo we just have to learn from it.
But I also look in the future for a life in which we can live together, in peace.
We all know this is impossible with people which haven't any respect to other cultures and religions and it is the
sad truth that untill now only and only the islam is trying the holocaust with the rest of the world.
I know what I have to do, because I want to live and die in a free World as a free person !!
greetings
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@dexter:
"Calm down, most of the europeans took part in the Holocuast, as the Polish people,
the Frenchs,
The Austrians,
The Romanians,
The Hungrians.
The Italians
And more, so if you are angry about the Germans, get angry at all of the people I listed above."
:o
Yes you're right, I should calm down, and let a "save germany" topic be opened.......
:o :o :o
see my posts from the first day here, in JTF,
I do write "france" with only a small "f", since that's what it deserves.
Remember the french LVF engaging in the charlemagne (SS) division,
france was also among the agressors of Serbia,
thus behaving like a "pure" traitor,
which in fact it is.
LOVE THEM IF YOU CAN.
I hate the AUSTRIANAZIS as well as GERMANAZIS.
DO NOT MIND ABOUT THAT...
THEY'VE NEVER EVER BEEN
PUNISHED ENOUGH FOR WHAT THEY DID.
LOVE THEM IF YOU CAN.
As for the NAZIHUNGARIANS,
Serbs are ready to fight against them ONCE MORE.
I have put some photos of NAZIHUNGARIANS marching in Serbian Vojvodina,
DISPLAYING NAZIHUNGARIAN AND BAALESTINIAN "FLAGS" TOGETHER.
LOVE THEM IF YOU CAN.
Italians and Romanians were never as cruel as the other europeans concerning Serbs and Serbia.
During WWII, in Bosnia, Italians saved lifes of Serbs
that were to be SLAUGHTERED BY NAZICROATS.
There was no occupation of any part of Serbia by romanian fascists.
No mass-murderings neither from them, concerning the Serbs.
And in western bombarding of Serbia, in the nineties,
Romanians stood against it.
This is not an apology
of romanian/italian fascisms,
I have to say it.
WELL THEN,
SINCE GERMANS DARE COMING HERE, IN JTF,
SINCE THEY SUCCEED IN FINDING SUPPORTERS AMONG JTFers,
SINCE RAVI KAHANE'S WORDS ARE NOT RESPECTED,
(nothing with germans for 500 years)
I WARN YOU ALL,
THAT YOU'RE ON THE PATH OF OPENING A "SAVE GERMANY" SECTION (!!!)...........
WILL THERE BE THEN A "SAVE USTASHA" SECTION ?
:o :o :o
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@dexter:
"Calm down, most of the europeans took part in the Holocuast, as the Polish people,
the Frenchs,
The Austrians,
The Romanians,
The Hungrians.
The Italians
And more, so if you are angry about the Germans, get angry at all of the people I listed above."
:o
Yes you're right, I should calm down, and let a "save germany" topic be opened.......
:o :o :o
see my posts from the first day here, in JTF,
I do write "france" with only a small "f", since that's what it deserves.
Remember the french LVF engaging in the charlemagne (SS) division,
france was also among the agressors of Serbia,
thus behaving like a "pure" traitor,
which in fact it is.
LOVE THEM IF YOU CAN.
I hate the AUSTRIANAZIS as well as GERMANAZIS.
DO NOT MIND ABOUT THAT...
THEY'VE NEVER EVER BEEN
PUNISHED ENOUGH FOR WHAT THEY DID.
LOVE THEM IF YOU CAN.
As for the NAZIHUNGARIANS,
Serbs are ready to fight against them ONCE MORE.
I have put some photos of NAZIHUNGARIANS marching in Serbian Vojvodina,
DISPLAYING NAZIHUNGARIAN AND BAALESTINIAN "FLAGS" TOGETHER.
LOVE THEM IF YOU CAN.
Italians and Romanians were never as cruel as the other europeans concerning Serbs and Serbia.
During WWII, in Bosnia, Italians saved lifes of Serbs
that were to be SLAUGHTERED BY NAZICROATS.
There was no occupation of any part of Serbia by romanian fascists.
No mass-murderings neither from them, concerning the Serbs.
And in western bombarding of Serbia, in the nineties,
Romanians stood against it.
This is not an apology
of romanian/italian fascisms,
I have to say it.
WELL THEN,
SINCE GERMANS DARE COMING HERE, IN JTF,
SINCE THEY SUCCEED IN FINDING SUPPORTERS AMONG JTFers,
SINCE RAVI KAHANE'S WORDS ARE NOT RESPECTED,
(nothing with germans for 500 years)
I WARN YOU ALL,
THAT YOU'RE ON THE PATH OF OPENING A "SAVE GERMANY" SECTION (!!!)...........
WILL THERE BE THEN A "SAVE USTASHA" SECTION ?
:o :o :o
25% of Germans miss aspects of Nazi rule
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Associated Press , THE JERUSALEM POST Oct. 17, 2007
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A poll published Wednesday showed a quarter of Germans believe there were at least some positive aspects to Nazi rule - a finding that comes after a popular talk show host was fired for praising Nazi Germany's attitude toward motherhood.
Pollsters for the Forsa agency, commissioned by the weekly Stern magazine, asked whether National Socialism also had some "good sides (such as) the construction of the highway system, the elimination of unemployment, the low criminality rate (and) the encouragement of the family."
Forsa said 25 percent responded "yes" - but 70% said "no."
Stern commissioned the survey, conducted Oct. 11-12, after Germany's NDR public broadcaster last month fired talk show host Eva Herman following her statement on the Third Reich.
News reports quoted her as saying at the presentation of her latest book that, while there was "much that was very bad, for example Adolf Hitler," there were good things, "for example the high regard for the mother" under the Nazis.
Since then, Herman, a 48-year-old who has written books urging a return to more traditional gender roles, has stood by her comments.
She later said: "What I wanted to express was that values which also existed before the Third Reich, such as family, children and motherhood, which were supported in the Third Reich, were subsequently done away with by the 68ers" - a reference to 1960s leftists.
Any praise of the 1933-45 Nazi dictatorship is taboo in Germany. The Nazis were responsible for the murder of some six million Jews and starting World War II - a conflict in which at least 60 million people died, including more than seven million Germans.
The poll, which had a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points, showed that people 60 or older had the highest regard for aspects of the era, with 37% answering "yes."
Those who grew up directly after the war, now aged 45 to 59, were the least enthusiastic about the Nazi era, with only 15% responding "yes."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380579626&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
What can i say I do hope that he's from other 75%; if frodo will start to apologise Germans for WWII; or victimise them than he shoud be banned as german Christ was. but as a christian I'm wiling to give him a chance; I'm against the guilt by association. Welcome Frodo but I doubt you will be warmly welcomed here by everybody.
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I didn't expect to be everybodys Darling !
I guess I wouldn't be a Proper nazi, my wife is from Philippines
and we have 2 Kids.
However, I love my Country, but if this is a reason to call me nazi,
then I'm in the wrong place.
greetings
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Frodo, you havent said anything to justify calling you a nazi.
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Why do people call Frodo a Nazi he has'nt said anything nazi like :-[
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I,
who more than others do not want a german in our JTF forum
(thus being in union with Ravi Kahane),
didn't myself say frodo is a nazi.
I just reminded him of some (light?) facts about his evil"country"...
I wanted him to know german "aspirations", "fears", and whatever,
do not interest me, as a Serb, at all...
He, german, "suffers" ?
Let him, german, suffer.
YM'SHMO german.
8)
Once again,
will a "SAVE GERMANY" section open soon ?
If that's it,
then, you can close the "SAVE SERBIA" section.
:o
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The difference is that a few Poles collaborated, but Polish people as a group did not harm Jews. By that standard, Jews also were involved in the holocaust (by killing other Jews), as yes, self-hating Jews did aid it. Romanians overthrew their anti-Jew regime before the war ended. On the other hand, Germans never overthrew Hitler, and had support accross the population.
The Polish community as a group was certainly not an agent in the holocaust, anything else is revisionism.
What a crock of crap.
The Poles were indeed complicit in the holocaust.
Absolving the Poles of their guilt has no place on this forum.
You talk about revisionism? It's you who is guilty of revising history.
Go peddle your BS somewhere else.
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Incorrect. The Polish people never produced an indigenous regime which murdered Jews, only under foreign occupation did a small percentage of Poles (who were also victims) intervene. Quit playing the pity card, no-one wants to hear it.
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EagleLie says:
"Incorrect. The Polish people never produced an indigenous regime which murdered Jews, only under foreign occupation did a small percentage of Poles (who were also victims) intervene. Quit playing the pity card, no-one wants to hear it."
Small percentage my butt.
No one is playing the 'pity card', but your BS about the Poles not being complicit in the Holocaust will not go unchallenged here as long as I'm part of this forum.
Go peddle your revisionist crap somewhere else, and stop having the audacity to tell the right thinking people of this forum what they want to hear about.
I've got news for you junior, the last thing a Kahanist Jew wants to hear is some unmitigated crap that the Poles as a whole didn't actively and willfully participate in the slaughter of millions of Jews.
Your revisionism and BS won't fly here. Take it somewhere else.
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If you sincerely believe that the average Polish person willfully collaborated with the Germans, then you are are retarded. You are trivializing the crimes that the Germans commited against Poles.
Jews are not the only victim of the Nazis, grow up, revisionist.
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If you sincerely believe that the average Polish person willfully collaborated with the Germans, then you are are retarded. You are trivializing the crimes that the Germans commited against Poles.
Jews are not the only victim of the Nazis, grow up, revisionist.
What does "revisionist" means?
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I don't believe the average Pole was willfully complicit in promulgating the holocaust, I know it.
The Polish denials of aiding and abetting in the genocide of Europe's Jews are as genuine as the German denials.
'We didn't know.'
'We were just following orders.'
'We had no choice.'
The truth is they not only knew, they actively and gleefully participated.
And not just during the war, but after as well.
Bunch of freaking anti-Semites.
And there's always some [censored] that tries to deny what actually happened.
Let's get something straight junior. The crimes the Nazis commited against the Poles are miniscule in comparison to the wholesale mass extermination of Jews. That's not trivializing the Nazi crimes, but stating an historical fact.
And it's also a fact the Poles were glad to be rid of their Jews.
Now you might not like these facts, but that doesn't make them any less true.
But if it makes you feel better to go on believing fairy tales, go right ahead.
Just don't expect your BS to go unchallenged at JTF.
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I pretty agree with Muck DeFuslims on that, but it wasn't the Pols only.
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No, they are not facts, they are a perverted attempt to advance Jewish interests by distorting the facts. If Polish people wanted to murder the Jews, they did a great job before the war (sarcastic) having one of the biggest Jewish populations in Europe, and could have always finished the job after the war...but they didn't.
The crimes the Nazis commited against the Poles are miniscule in comparison to the wholesale mass extermination of Jews.
A ridiculous statement. Though many Jews were killed, the crimes against Poles and other Eastern Europeans (Gyspies could be added in here too) are substantial enough that nothing can make them "no big deal."
I bet you've hit the report post button a thousand times now begging for the mods to save yourself from your inferior and unresearched arguments.
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Since you don't know history, I'll provide you a link and a google search.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nazi+crimes+poles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_ethnic_Poles
Also, Italians initially resisted nazism, until Hitler's political pressure eventually coerced Mussolini into anti-Jew legislation. In its original incarnation, Italian Fascism was not anti-Jew.
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Since you don't know history, I'll provide you a link and a google search.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nazi+crimes+poles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_ethnic_Poles
Also, Italians initially resisted nazism, until Hitler's political pressure eventually coerced Mussolini into anti-Jew legislation. In its original incarnation, Italian Fascism was not anti-Jew.
Since you're incapable of reading comprehension I'll remind you the issue isn't whether the Nazis commited crimes against the Poles. That's a given. They commited crimes against all 'non-aryans'. That's their ideology.
The issue is whether the Poles were complicit in the Nazi holocaust against the Jews.
You insist the Poles were largely innocent bystanders that didn't aid and abet the Nazis in their genocide against the Jews. To which I say bullshiite.
I'll say it again (and you'll deny it again)...the Poles not only knew what was going on and didn't lift a finger to try to stop it, they actively and often gleefully participated in it.
The kapos in the camps, the failure to rebel when the Warsaw ghetto was being liquidated, the turning over of Jews attempting to hide, the refusal to return stolen assets and property- even after the war. The list goes on and on.
Sorry junior, but you're not going to convince this Jew that what happened, didn't happen.
And I'm of Polish heritage.
Go peddle your crap to someone that's dumb enough to buy it.
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Obviously dead Poles aren't going to do much to resist the Germans, are they? If Poles support the holocaust, after the war, they had the full power to keep it going. Germans controlled the country, and yes, Poles as a whole had no political power over the situation. First of all if you are Jew, then you aren't Polish, you are Jewish. Unless you are mixed. So don't claim to speak for Polish people unless you have at least some Polish blood, real Polish blood, as I do.
The fact remains that individual Jews led other Jews strait to the gas chambers. But it would be absurd to say Jewish people as a whole engineered the holocuast, and its just as absurd to say Polish people had any say over what went on to Jews or Poles.
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What is Gruene Pest ?
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Obviously dead Poles aren't going to do much to resist the Germans, are they? If Poles support the holocaust, after the war, they had the full power to keep it going.
"The Kielce pogrom refers to the events that occurred on July 4, 1946, in the Polish town of Kielce (pop. 50,000). The outbreak of the anti-Jewish violence, sparked by blood libel, resulted in 37 Polish Jews being murdered out of about 200 Holocaust survivors who had returned home after World War II. Two more Jews in the trains passing through Kielce also lost their lives. Two or three Gentile Poles were killed by the Jews defending themselves, while nine were sentenced to death later."
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Pogroms, however violent they are, do not reflect the majority population, but a disorganized gang attack from a mob. Random acts of violence can occur without overall support of the society. On the other hand, Germany had an organized and government-sponsored system.
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Obviously dead Poles aren't going to do much to resist the Germans, are they? If Poles support the holocaust, after the war, they had the full power to keep it going. Germans controlled the country, and yes, Poles as a whole had no political power over the situation. First of all if you are Jew, then you aren't Polish, you are Jewish. Unless you are mixed. So don't claim to speak for Polish people unless you have at least some Polish blood, real Polish blood, as I do.
The fact remains that individual Jews led other Jews strait to the gas chambers. But it would be absurd to say Jewish people as a whole engineered the holocuast, and its just as absurd to say Polish people had any say over what went on to Jews or Poles.
So what are you saying ? There were no Jewish Poles ?
You're showing your true colors now, boy.
"You're a Jew, you couldn't be Polish"
Yup, that's exactly why the Poles didn't mind getting rid of the 'alien' Jews.
And that's exactly why they were complicit in the holocaust.
They didn't engineer the Holocaust, but they sure as hell took part in it.
And the maltreatment, theft of Jewish property and assets, and killing of Jews continued even after the Nazis were defeated.
Bet you think I'm not an American either--I'm a Jew--so I better not try to speak for the American people.
I'll say whatever I want, junior.
And I say as a whole the Poles were complicit in the holocaust.
And I know the Chairman and leadership of JTF agrees with me.
Take a hike numbnuts.
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It's the Jews who had the right to choose if they want to be "Jews", "Polish Jews" or just "Poles".
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First of all if you are Jew, then you aren't Polish, you are Jewish. Unless you are mixed. So don't claim to speak for Polish people unless you have at least some Polish blood, real Polish blood, as I do.
And this [censored] is telling me Poles didnt participate in the Holocaust.
Someone should stick a Jewish foot up your Polish butt and see what color that 'real Polish blood' is.
Punk.
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So what are you saying ? There were no Jewish Poles ?
Maybe through mixing or conversion, but as a whole, Jews and Poles are separate ethnic groups, and a dispora Jew remains a Jew. This is in fact Key to Kahanist ideology, and to deny it is to promote the assimilation of Jews.
They didn't engineer the Holocaust, but they sure as hell took part in it.
But that is a moot point. A slave follows the master, and having political power, Germans enslaved the Poles.
And the maltreatment, theft of Jewish property and assets, and killing of Jews continued even after the Nazis were defeated.
Obviously not on nearly the same scale...
Bet you think I'm not an American either--I'm a Jew--so I better not try to speak for the American people.
Americans are not an ethnic group, but Poles and Jews are ethnic groups.
And I say as a whole the Poles were complicit in the holocaust.
And you're wrong.
And I know the Chairman and leadership of JTF agrees with me.
If he does, then he is wrong too.
And this [censored] is telling me Poles didnt participate in the Holocaust.
This is my stance. Poles when they controlled the country did not commit a holocuast, and when they didn't, were as innocent as Jews were. You act as if Poland had the power to stop the holocaust and chose not to, but clearly, Poland did not have the power.
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The former pope,
john-paul 2,
was Polish.
As such,
he was not disturbed
to SANCTIFY
NAZICARDINAL STEPINAC,
AN ORDINARY NAZICROAT,
from WWII NAZICROAT "STATE" "NDH",
THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE FOR
SERBS, GYPSIES AND JEWS.
:o
I remind everybody here, in JTF,
that the actual pope,
ratzinger,
was a hitlerjugend baboon.
>:(
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"This is my stance. Poles when they controlled the country did not commit a holocuast, and when they didn't, were as innocent as Jews were."
Yeah, and the Austrians, Lithuanians, and the majority of Germans were innocent too.
I got your number boy.
You and your 'real Polish blood'.
Innocent benign slaves of the Nazis.
Even after the war was over.
Clowns like you are the reason for 'stupid Pole' jokes.
Go away, moron.
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Germans controlled their own country (Germans and Austrians are two countries derived from one ethnic group), Poles did not. You keep dancing arond this, but that is where your debate is weak.
I haven't researched the lithouanian role, but you can't judge an occupied country by the same standards that you judge a country that is ruled by its own people.
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Hey, you've got the 'real polish blood' and I'm just a dumb Jew playing the pity card that has no idea what he's talking about or the right to speak about the innocent Poles.
Let's leave it at that.
I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to convince me that what happened, didn't happen.
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Good move.There is no reasoning with fools?Nor is there reasoning with the wicked.
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Alright, but you need to understand this principle, political power roles out of the barrow of a gun, and the occupying and alien Germans had the gun. Poles didn't have the army or political cohesion to resist after Germany took it over, and so whoever collaborated did so under a lot of foreign influence (and I don't agree that the majority collaborated).
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First of all, thanks to all who could accept me !
a) the holocaust is the most dokumented mass extermination occured in the new time
and the Germans have started it.
b) I'm not coming as a beggar. I see myself just as a mediator who is seeking for
commonalities among all of us, to prepare us for our future -the past we can not change anymore
but the future we have in our hand - our way of life, our habbits, our personal opinios as differnt as they
might be, have a Religios background and this is in danger - I remember you, we have one common enemy
and this enemy doesn't care if you Jewish, Christian, American, Britsh, Serbian or whatever.
Thru our ethnic divergences we are playing the enemy towards.
( I hope this was right and you understand what I mean)
c) @Husar, once again it's up to you.
Tere is no more time for hate between us. I have some friends which are Serbians and they like to live
here, why !
I'm not interested in a thread "save Germany" it's absurd in front of the problems we (all) get in a
couple of years.
by the way before I'm or my family coerced to become a muslim we live in the Philippines, there they know
how to tread muslims !
d) I have a friend who lived with his family for 3 years in a kibbuz in Israel as a Christian and they were
acceptet by everyone.
e) The same way I like Jewish and Israel I hate the sickness Islam.
and every Jewish who wants to live in Germany ist for me upmost welcome.
God bless all of you.
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Incorrect. The Polish people never produced an indigenous regime which murdered Jews, only under foreign occupation did a small percentage of Poles (who were also victims) intervene. Quit playing the pity card, no-one wants to hear it.
Lies. The polish were even more evil than the Nazis. My grandfather was from Poland and the stories he told me would shock you.
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My grandfather was from Poland and the stories he told me would shock you.
I wonder if thats why my grandparents would never talk about their life there, its as though as soon as they arrived in the US, after getting out during the war, their life there ceased to exist.
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First of all, thanks to all who could accept me !
a) the holocaust is the most dokumented mass extermination occured in the new time
and the Germans have started it.
b) I'm not coming as a beggar. I see myself just as a mediator who is seeking for
commonalities among all of us, to prepare us for our future -the past we can not change anymore
but the future we have in our hand - our way of life, our habbits, our personal opinios as differnt as they
might be, have a Religios background and this is in danger - I remember you, we have one common enemy
and this enemy doesn't care if you Jewish, Christian, American, Britsh, Serbian or whatever.
Thru our ethnic divergences we are playing the enemy towards ( I hope this was right and you understand what I mean)
c) @Husar, once again it's up to you.
Tere is no more time for hate between us. I have some friends which are Serbians and they like to live
here, why !
I'm not interested in a thread "save Germany" it's absurd in front of the problems we (all) get in a
couple of years.
by the way before I'm or my family coerced to become a muslim we live in the Philippines, there they know
how to tread muslims !
d) I have a friend who lived with his family for 3 years in a kibbuz in Israel as a Christian and they were
acceptet by everyone.
e) The same way I like Jewish and Israel I hate the sickness Islam.
and every Jewish who wants to live in Germany ist for me upmost welcome.
G-d bless all of you.
Thanks Frodo, you too. Just know that you are fully welcomed to JTF, we have another excellent German member Goldfasan so you are completely welcome here, you seem like the type of good person that we want here.
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Shalom :)
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And Ravi Kahane will surely appreciate a german kontributor to JTF...
:-X
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Obviously dead Poles aren't going to do much to resist the Germans, are they? If Poles support the holocaust, after the war, they had the full power to keep it going. Germans controlled the country, and yes, Poles as a whole had no political power over the situation. First of all if you are Jew, then you aren't Polish, you are Jewish. Unless you are mixed. So don't claim to speak for Polish people unless you have at least some Polish blood, real Polish blood, as I do.
The fact remains that individual Jews led other Jews strait to the gas chambers. But it would be absurd to say Jewish people as a whole engineered the holocuast, and its just as absurd to say Polish people had any say over what went on to Jews or Poles.
Actualy they didn't have this powers eneither; becouse after Yalta and Potsdam Poland was made comunists country by Soviet Army who liberated us from German nazis; after this there were years of bitter civil war between pro and anti comunist faction mayority of Jews left poland becoue their property like almost all private property was nationalised by communists some of them of jewish descent too; many Poles both christian and jewish were either forced to emigrate for politicall rasons or run away becouse they wanted the better wetern living; when civil war ended in early fifties when Poland was put under firmly control by Moscow. What matter is that in free and independend Poland after 1989 we have still between 10 000 to 30 00 of Polish Jews some of them get the highest govermntal posts like minister of foreign affairs Bronislaw Geremek vice minister Adam Rotfeld chef of public TV Bronislaw Wildstien naming a few; sinagogues and jewish intitutions standing unguarded and unatacked; sadly you cannot say it about USA; which prooves that Americans must be all violent antisemites. ::) And [censored] the muslims you cannot be kahanist if you support asimilation. the fact that your grandpa was Polish Jew don't make a Pole just like the fact my grandpa was Soviet Jewish communist don't make me a Russian.
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Assuming, I had introduced my self as a dutch, french, swiss, japanese or whatever who lives
at the time in Germany, some people would wellcome me more ?? :(
greetings
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Assuming, I had introduced my self as a dutch, french, swiss, japanese or whatever who lives
at the time in Germany, some people would wellcome me more ?? :(
greetings
Yes exactly after what III Reich did in WWII you shud not be suprised; Jews especialy are comanded not to forgive and rest of us will not forget so easily either; it has nothing to do with you as person though. you were cleared to post here.
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I agree with Ultra Requete.
O0
After what (!!!) germany did
in WWI, WWII and ex-yugoslav war,
"frodo", you should not be surprised.
::) ::) ::)
Jews and Serbs
REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE GERMAN UN-DEED.
We won't forget, neither forgive.
8;)
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i can understand and accept your statements, even though I have spoken
with some Serbs (in Germany) which have an other poin of view.
i'm not resposible for the atrocitis what happend in the past, but I'm
responsible that those things never occur.
However, I hope you agree that I defend my country against
a mad Musel invasion which want to vandalize my belive and my country.
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Frodo, I will easier "accept" you,
by thinking you're a HOBBIT...
:)
So, go on...feel at home,
since JTF accepts you.
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I wish I would have the RING in order
to destroy Sauron and his Orks (Islam)
to free middle Earth ( Western Civilisation)
:) ;)
maybe, we don't need any Ring
if we stay together.
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And if you do not
stay close to
NAZICROATS...
8;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW-ljtEM4MQ
(danke deutschland,
thanks germany)
by NAZICROATS.
Thus, they show the whole world
HOW they rely on germany
to have "their country" !!!
Without germany,
NAZICROATS ARE
NOTHING.
As for the RING, Frodo,
we Serbs and Jews
possess it.
islamOrks
are our enemies
for a (very) long time.
We know our foe.
8)