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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ItalianZionist on February 04, 2025, 07:32:09 PM
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What does this mean now?
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It means Trump cares more about the security of Israel than its own president.
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Israel had the opportunity but alas Trump will claim it and give it to the world whatever that will mean in the short term
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Israel had the opportunity but alas Trump will claim it and give it to the world whatever that will mean in the short term
Israel should have finished the job in Gaza at any price... They will pay the price in the end anyway by having cease fires which allow the enemy to recoup... The U.S.A has no need to get into this sort of deal... I can see billions of dollars going into this place only to be handed over to the ragheads in time to come... I am coming to the conclusion that Israel does not have the full resolve to be rid of the population of Gaza for whatever reason it is... The solution to this problem was to drive the entire Gaza population into Jordan and Egypt once and for all and they were well on their way to doing it.
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Horrible idea. Gaza, along with Judaia and Sumaria are all part of biblical Israel. Not the so-called pastestinians, or United States, or anyone else
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:usa+israel: :fist:
I concur with all of you especially cjd and
BinyaminYisrael and his point regarding Israel
and the Holy sovereignty point about Jewish Land.
I appreciate all of your respective points made.
I do not want to be cynical but it seems there is
‘almost’ always a “catch” to these things and
it will probably result in another Ibrahim Accords
type of agenda ridden ‘ulterior motive’ type scenario
forcing Israel to acquiesce to the “powers that be”
resulting in more complications. Meantime, we will
see what happens with all of this and I guess, “hope
for the best?!”
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Horrible idea. Gaza, along with Judaia and Sumaria are all part of biblical Israel. Not the so-called pastestinians, or United States, or anyone else
If Israel wanted to control Gaza they had ample opportunity. The USA can't let this farce go on and on and on while more innocent people die. I would like to see Israel at least co-manage this territory if not take it back under full control but the USA is the only one who can help them do that. There are worse alternatives. At least it's not Russia who wouldn't even stop at just taking Gaza.
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It worries me because history repeats itself. Way back when, the Judeans relied on the Roman Empire and that brought a demise in the end. In the short term it all looks good but in the long term I’m worried about what could happen
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It's another self hating Jew idea. Another Israel has no balls idea. Jewish weakness is embarrassing and degrading. What happens when the US has another full leftist lunatic government? Also the idea the Arab Nazi so called civilians can come back if they want?? I really don't get it. All i see is Netanyahu wearing a very bright pair of pink panties.
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We have to enthusiastically support Trumps plan. The way I understand it is that plan is:
1) let the IDF completely take Gaza and clear Hamas out of it, with full diplomatic backing of the USA.
2) Separate civilians population from Hamas maybe by creating safe zones under American control for civilians only.
3) US will use its power to find willing accseptors for resettlements of the amalekite civilians. These are countries that will agree to host the civilians in exchange for
funding, pressure and favors.
4) funding will come not from the US but rather countries like Qatar and Saudy. Basically he's going to tell Qatar, all the money you have been pouring on Hamas, you're going to keep paying that but now it's going to be spent as we tell you to spend it.
5) Gaza will become some sort of a special zone. It will have a huge American base/s on perpetual leased or owned land. I think we Israelis can leave with that as long as Arabs
are never going to resettle it and that Israelis have completely freedom travel and access to Gaza.
Maybe it will not all materialize but we must cease the opportunity of step 1. We're going to take it back. The rest of the plan indeed mostly hangs on Trump ability to realize it but even if it fails we steel will have regain full control over Gaza.
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Out of all the diarrea turds that self hating Jews can smear on our faces, this turd isn't as runny and doesn't stink as bad... for now. My enthusiastic support.
;D
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The Gaza Strip doesn't belong to the US or any other nation other than Israel and it definitely doesn't belong to the so called Palestinians.
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The Gaza Strip doesn't belong to the US or any other nation other than Israel and it definitely doesn't belong to the so called Palestinians.
Technically true, but they should have done something to defend it. They let a wound fester until it's affecting other countries, including the USA. They should have cleaned Gaza out but they chose not to so now the USA has little choice except to go in and cut out the rot.
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If Israel wanted to control Gaza they had ample opportunity. The USA can't let this farce go on and on and on while more innocent people die. I would like to see Israel at least co-manage this territory if not take it back under full control but the USA is the only one who can help them do that. There are worse alternatives. At least it's not Russia who wouldn't even stop at just taking Gaza.
If anyone is "taking over" Gaza (which no one is -- it is ours and it will remain ours for eternity), I would just as rather Russia take it over than the U.S. What is the U.S.? A crumbling republic. The U.S. 'taking over' Gaza is nothing more than a trojan horse for the subsequent leftist administration that would declare it a fakestinian state as soon as they took power. At least Russia would keep it for themselves.
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If anyone is "taking over" Gaza (which no one is -- it is ours and it will remain ours for eternity), I would just as rather Russia take it over than the U.S. What is the U.S.? A crumbling republic. The U.S. 'taking over' Gaza is nothing more than a trojan horse for the subsequent leftist administration that would declare it a fakestinian state as soon as they took power. At least Russia would keep it for themselves.
The USA will enter a new golden age. A lot of the leftist BS is being walked back as we speak. Trump is blessing Israel with his help. He's made the point of how small Israel is compared to the Arab world and he sees the problems there for what they are. He knows that Israel's enemies are also the enemies of the USA and who hates Israel also hates the USA. He has a Jewish son in law and other Jewish people he cares about very much. Of course he went head to head with some Jewish people in the past when he was a real estate guy in NYC. It doesn't mean he's an anti-Semite.
I agree that Gaza and in fact all land between the river Nile and the river Euphrates belongs by right to Israel, but Israel is not the Israeli government. Israel is actual nation, the Jewish people.
It could be that what Trump is doing will make Gaza actually habitable for Jewish people again. They can't live there now without being murdered/raped, etc. Let's see if this helps.
A nation is not a government. A nation is a people.
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The USA will enter a new golden age.
Trump's ideas are large, vague, and unworkable. These ideas won't fix anything. It's just magical thinking.
As Chaim alluded to: when America unleashes its energy, then it can get somewhere... Why hasn't this already happened yet? Because when it comes to business, Trump is extremely hesitant to act on anything before he can ensure that someone from his extended family gets their cut on it somehow. This is an enormous hinderance.
I agree that Gaza and in fact all land between the river Nile and the river Euphrates belongs by right to Israel, but Israel is not the Israeli government. Israel is actual nation, the Jewish people.
It could be that what Trump is doing will make Gaza actually habitable for Jewish people again. They can't live there now without being murdered/raped, etc. Let's see if this helps.
A nation is not a government. A nation is a people.
The only people that can make Gaza habitable are the hilltop youth -- or to be more specific, people who follow their model of primitive living. The hilltop youth model is an ingenious strategy that crushes the stranglehold of the deep state by challenging the entrenched financial models that choke the prime Israeli real estate market. As the Talmudic scholars alluded to (and I'm paraphrasing): "When everyone is fighting over Israel, the land is worthless" (that means to say, when everyone desires the same area of land to live in, it's not worth the headache of trying to live there because of the incessant intrusion into ones personal life that would occur because of said interest in that area). Unleash the lands to the masses and you will have massive quality aliyah.
What Trump is discussing is the "waterfront value" of Gaza... In a nightmare scenario where Gaza turns into Florida, you will get "seasonal" aliyah of dope fiends and other degenerates, as well as the festivals that are inevitable with their presence. We saw what happened at one such festival on Oct. 7th.
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The only way this would be "thinking outside of the box" is if Trump forces the Arab Nazis out and forces Qatar to pay billions to rebuild and then signs it over to Israel and that was Trump and Netanyahu's plan all along. But yeah, if Trump's involved it will definitely invite and promote degeneracy that is unworthy of the land and counter to the Jewish destiny. I wouldn't doubt casinos and brothels.
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:usa+israel: :fist:
Exactly, excellent take on this as some level
of degeneracy ‘would’ be inevitable and also,
by that rationale, Israel should own parts of
Brooklyn, all of Monsey and anywhere else
where Jewish people reside and preside. Of
course, as serious and urgent as this topic is,
I say all of this in at least “partial” jest.
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Trump's ideas are large, vague, and unworkable. These ideas won't fix anything. It's just magical thinking.
As Chaim alluded to: when America unleashes its energy, then it can get somewhere... Why hasn't this already happened yet? Because when it comes to business, Trump is extremely hesitant to act on anything before he can ensure that someone from his extended family gets their cut on it somehow. This is an enormous hinderance.The only people that can make Gaza habitable are the hilltop youth -- or to be more specific, people who follow their model of primitive living. The hilltop youth model is an ingenious strategy that crushes the stranglehold of the deep state by challenging the entrenched financial models that choke the prime Israeli real estate market. As the Talmudic scholars alluded to (and I'm paraphrasing): "When everyone is fighting over Israel, the land is worthless" (that means to say, when everyone desires the same area of land to live in, it's not worth the headache of trying to live there because of the incessant intrusion into ones personal life that would occur because of said interest in that area). Unleash the lands to the masses and you will have massive quality aliyah.
What Trump is discussing is the "waterfront value" of Gaza... In a nightmare scenario where Gaza turns into Florida, you will get "seasonal" aliyah of dope fiends and other degenerates, as well as the festivals that are inevitable with their presence. We saw what happened at one such festival on Oct. 7th.
Well think of it this way. Are they able to hold festivals in Gaza now? Or even live there quietly? I think moving the vast maority of Fakestinians out of Gaza will immediately provide relief from most terror once it happens. If Israel wanted to solve the problem they would have. The USA is tired of seeing them do nothing.
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Well think of it this way. Are they able to hold festivals in Gaza now? Or even live there quietly? I think moving the vast maority of Fakestinians out of Gaza will immediately provide relief from most terror once it happens. If Israel wanted to solve the problem they would have. The USA is tired of seeing them do nothing.
Even American Gentiles should not be allowed to pass through Israel unless they accept the seven universal laws commanded to Noah and his descendants. This is Jewish law.
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The only way this would be "thinking outside of the box" is if Trump forces the Arab Nazis out and forces Qatar to pay billions to rebuild and then signs it over to Israel and that was Trump and Netanyahu's plan all along. But yeah, if Trump's involved it will definitely invite and promote degeneracy that is unworthy of the land and counter to the Jewish destiny. I wouldn't doubt casinos and brothels.
Under Oslo, the fakestinians had a casino in Jericho where only the infidels were allowed to gamble, including self-hating Israeli Jews. We know where the money went.
Gaza under Trump or Israeli rule could never be as bad as Tel Aviv which is infested with faggotry and illegal aliens. At least most of the Leftists would boycott it since they would call it "occupied".
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Even American Gentiles should not be allowed to pass through Israel unless they accept the seven universal laws commanded to Noah and his descendants. This is Jewish law.
Most decent people follow basic morality anyway. I'm not going around ripping legs off live cattle to eat while the animal's still alive.
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Most decent people follow basic morality anyway. I'm not going around ripping legs off live cattle to eat while the animal's still alive.
Basic morality is an abstraction. To be in Israel even temporarily, Gentiles have to accept the specific seven Noahide commandments.
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Most decent people follow basic morality anyway. I'm not going around ripping legs off live cattle to eat while the animal's still alive.
You make it sound ridiculous, but I heard from Rabbi Singer that this is what they actually used to do in Rome. They would amputate the limb of an animal and sew the wound, and they would continue to 'harvest' from the animal and sew the animal up. This is because they had no refrigeration. Quite savage and also perhaps barbaric.
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You make it sound ridiculous, but I heard from Rabbi Singer that this is what they actually used to do in Rome. They would amputate the limb of an animal and sew the wound, and they would continue to 'harvest' from the animal and sew the animal up. This is because they had no refrigeration. Quite savage and also perhaps barbaric.
I believe that people did this and people are doing it now today still. It's an incredibly evil thing to abuse an animal. I believe in humane animal use but not torturing an animal.
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Vendyl Jones said they would eat testicles from a living bull in Texas. He became a Noahide and thought who would eat a limb from a living animal an then he remembered growing up in Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_oysters
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/96347
The below is from the article.
Famed archaeologist and Noahide leader Vendyl Jones addressed a festive banquet held for the Council members, speaking about the Seven Laws of Noah. He explained, in detail, the verses in the first eleven chapters of Genesis from which the seven laws are elucidated, saying that he always understood the first six, but never understood the law proscribing the eating of a limb of a living animal - until he remembered his cattle-branding days in Texas: "We would brand and castrate the cattle when I was young, and at night we would all sit around the campfire and eat what they called 'mountain oysters'" – the testicles of the still-living animals.
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The Noahide Laws also prohibit worshipping Yeshu so a Christian can't be a true Noahide. Bnei Noah are not allowed to establish new religions or worship anyone but Hashem.
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Vendyl Jones said they would eat testicles from a living bull in Texas. He became a Noahide and thought who would eat a limb from a living animal an then he remembered growing up in Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_oysters
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/96347
The below is from the article.
Famed archaeologist and Noahide leader Vendyl Jones addressed a festive banquet held for the Council members, speaking about the Seven Laws of Noah. He explained, in detail, the verses in the first eleven chapters of Genesis from which the seven laws are elucidated, saying that he always understood the first six, but never understood the law proscribing the eating of a limb of a living animal - until he remembered his cattle-branding days in Texas: "We would brand and castrate the cattle when I was young, and at night we would all sit around the campfire and eat what they called 'mountain oysters'" – the testicles of the still-living animals.
That is a great example. The prohibition includes an organ that is entirely meat (e.g. the tongue, testicles, spleen or kidneys).
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The Noahide Laws also prohibit worshipping Yeshu so a Christian can't be a true Noahide. Bnei Noah are not allowed to establish new religions or worship anyone but Hashem.
Correct. The difference of Rabbinical opinion regarding an intermediary for Gentiles is only in regard to whether such a belief is forbidden. But one who serves an intermediary is liable, according to all opinions.