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http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece
Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners
Celebrated scientist attacked for race comments: "All our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really"
By Cahal Milmo
Published: 17 October 2007
One of the world's most eminent scientists was embroiled in an extraordinary row last night after he claimed that black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that "equal powers of reason" were shared across racial groups was a delusion.
James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made ahead of his arrival in Britain today for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London.
The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.
The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission, successor to the Commission for Racial Equality, said it was studying Dr Watson's remarks " in full". Dr Watson told The Sunday Times that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really". He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".
His views are also reflected in a book published next week, in which he writes: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."
The furore echoes the controversy created in the 1990s by The Bell Curve, a book co-authored by the American political scientist Charles Murray, which suggested differences in IQ were genetic and discussed the implications of a racial divide in intelligence. The work was heavily criticised across the world, in particular by leading scientists who described it as a work of " scientific racism".
Dr Watson arrives in Britain today for a speaking tour to publicise his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science. Among his first engagements is a speech to an audience at the Science Museum organised by the Dana Centre, which held a discussion last night on the history of scientific racism.
Critics of Dr Watson said there should be a robust response to his views across the spheres of politics and science. Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said: "It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments. I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson's personal prejudices.
"These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exists at the highest professional levels."
The American scientist earned a place in the history of great scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s and formed part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA. He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.
But despite serving for 50 years as a director of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on Long Island, considered a world leader in research into cancer and genetics, Dr Watson has frequently courted controversy with some of his views on politics, sexuality and race. The respected journal Science wrote in 1990: "To many in the scientific community, Watson has long been something of a wild man, and his colleagues tend to hold their collective breath whenever he veers from the script."
In 1997, he told a British newspaper that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual. He later insisted he was talking about a "hypothetical" choice which could never be applied. He has also suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, positing the theory that black people have higher libidos, and argued in favour of genetic screening and engineering on the basis that " stupidity" could one day be cured. He has claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would great."
The Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory said yesterday that Dr Watson could not be contacted to comment on his remarks.
Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University and a founder member of the Society for Social Responsibility in Science, said: " This is Watson at his most scandalous. He has said similar things about women before but I have never heard him get into this racist terrain. If he knew the literature in the subject he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."
Anti-racism campaigners called for Dr Watson's remarks to be looked at in the context of racial hatred laws. A spokesman for the 1990 Trust, a black human rights group, said: "It is astonishing that a man of such distinction should make comments that seem to perpetuate racism in this way. It amounts to fuelling bigotry and we would like it to be looked at for grounds of legal complaint."
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Pretty notable figure.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302836,00.html
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I am not surprised at all at this. All you have to do is talk to a black and you will see how dumb they are. It is no secret. Here is an article for 'blacks in higher education' and it tells how dumb blacks are.
JBHE Statistical Shocker of the Year:
Here is a shocking statistic showing that despite major gains, blacks have a huge distance to go to achieve racial parity with whites in higher education.
In 2004, 2,100 doctorates were awarded by universities in the United States in the fields of mathematical statistics, botany, optics physics, human and animal pathology, zoology, astrophysics, geometry, geophysics and seismology, general mathematics, nuclear physics, astronomy, marine sciences, nuclear engineering, polymer and plastics engineering, veterinary medicine, topology, hydrology and water resources, animal nutrition, wildlife/range management, number theory, fisheries science and management, atmospheric dynamics, engineering physics, paleontology, plant physiology, general atmospheric science, mathematical operations research, endocrinology, metallurgical engineering, meteorology, ocean engineering, poultry science, stratigraphy and sedimentation, wood science, polymer physics, acoustics, mineralogy and petrology, bacteriology, logic, ceramics science engineering, animal breeding and genetics, computing theory and practice, and mining and mineral engineering. Not one of these 2,100 doctoral degrees went to an African American.
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They do earn Ph.ds but look what the degrees are in. By the way I didn't notice how many recieve a doctorate in black mytholgy, I mean black history. I think they lump them under 'social science' or 'education'. What a useless race.
Doctoral Degree Awards to African Americans Reach Another All-Time High
In 2004 African Americans earned 1,869 doctoral degrees. This number has increased more than 9 percent from a year ago. Black doctorates now stand at the highest level in history.
Since 1993, when we began to publish JBHE, a host of events have caused us to publish a steady flow of disappointing news. Yet recent years have seen some indicators showing steady and impressive progress for African Americans in higher education. Overall black enrollments in college and in graduate school have shown solid improvement. But probably the most impressive gain achieved by blacks since the early years of JBHE is the large increase in doctoral degrees awarded to African Americans.
A new report prepared by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago finds that 1,869 African Americans earned doctorates in 2004. This was a very large increase of more than 9 percent from 2003. For the second year in a row, the number of black doctorates has set an all-time high. In 2004 blacks made up 7.1 percent of all doctorates awarded to American citizens. This too is an all-time high. In 2003 blacks were 6.5 percent of all doctoral recipients, at that time the highest level ever achieved.
The overall progress in the past two decades has been rock solid. In 1987 only 787 African Americans earned doctorates. This year's total of 1,869 doctorates is nearly 2.4 times as many as were earned in 1987. In 1990 the black share of all doctoral awards was 3.6 percent. That has now grown to 7.1 percent, a showing of significant prog-ress in a relatively short period of time of 15 years.
Although African Americans have made solid progress in doctoral awards, much remains to be achieved. In 2004 African Americans were nearly 13 percent of the U.S. population. Therefore, black doctoral awards amounted to slightly more than one half the level that would occur were racial parity to prevail.
Major Shortfalls in the Natural Sciences
There continue to be wide differences among blacks and whites in terms of the academic fields in which they earn doctorates. For instance, 41.3 percent of all doctorates awarded to African Americans in 2004 were in the field of education. In contrast, only 19.1 percent of doctorates earned by whites were in this field. This large percentage of all African-American doctorates in the field of education has been the case for decades with only minor fluctuations.
Arthur Levine, president of the Teachers College at Columbia University, has proposed that these Ed.D. degrees should be abolished and be replaced with a master's degree in educational administration. He believes that people who aspire to be school superintendents or college administrators are wasting their time doing a research dissertation on a topic that will have little or no bearing on the job that they plan to hold. Should the Levine view prevail, the black percentage of all doctoral awards would fall dramatically. If we eliminate educational doctorates from the 2004 statistics, we find that blacks earned only 5.2 percent of all doctorates in fields other than education.
Whites are far more likely than blacks to earn doctorates in the natural sciences. In 2004 nearly 12 percent of doctorates awarded to whites were in the physical sciences. This is nearly triple the percentage for African Americans, which stood at 4.1 percent in 2004. The percentage of all black doctorates that were awarded in the natural sciences has been declining in recent years.
The very large racial Ph.D. gap in the natural sciences is striking when we examine black Ph.D. awards in specific disciplines. For example, not a single African American earned a Ph.D. in astronomy or astrophysics in 2004. In all there were 165 Ph.D.s awarded in these fields. African Americans earned only 10 doctorates in mathematics. This was only 0.9 percent of all doctorates awarded in the field.
A major weakness is that blacks earned 13, or about 1 percent, of the nearly 1,200 doctorates in physics. In computer science, blacks won 0.7 percent of all Ph.D. awards. In the atmospheric sciences, less than 1 percent of all doctorates went to blacks. In chemistry, only 2.3 percent of Ph.D.s went to blacks. In the earth sciences such as geology, oceanography, and the atmospheric sciences, blacks were 1.3 percent of all doctoral recipients, down from 2.3 percent in 2003. In the ocean and marine sciences, only one of the 190 Ph.D.s in the discipline was awarded to an African American. In 2004, 148 African Americans were awarded a Ph.D. in the biological sciences. But they were only 2.5 percent of all doctorates awarded in the discipline. Black Ph.D. awards in the biological sciences did increase by 37 percent from 2003. That year, blacks were awarded 1.9 percent of all doctorates in the biological sciences.
The field of engineering also shows serious weakness in black doctoral student participation. Blacks also trail whites by a large margin in Ph.D.s in engineering. In 2004, 7.0 percent of all white doctorates were earned in the field of engineering. For African Americans, only 4.5 percent of all their doctorates were in engineering. In 2004 blacks earned a mere 1.6 percent of all engineering Ph.D.s. This was a slight improvement over 2003. The huge shortfall in engineering is serious because engineering is a field in which hundreds of thousands of Americans achieve high-income status and middle to upper social status.
Almost No Awards to Blacks in Some Scientific Fields
A strong indicator of the fact that African Americans as a group continue to avoid most of the natural sciences appears in the statistics for specific disciplines. In 2004, 2,100 doctorates were awarded by universities in the United States in the fields of mathematical statistics, botany, optics physics, human and animal pathology, zoology, astrophysics, geometry, geophysics and seismology, general mathematics, nuclear physics, astronomy, marine sciences, nuclear engineering, polymer and plastics engineering, veterinary medicine, topology, hydrology and water resources, animal nutrition, wildlife/range management, number theory, fisheries science and management, atmospheric dynamics, engineering physics, paleontology, plant physiology, general atmospheric science, mathematical operations research, endocrinology, metallurgical engineering, meteorology, ocean engineering, poultry science, stratigraphy and sedimentation, wood science, polymer physics, acoustics, mineralogy and petrology, bacteriology, logic, ceramics science engineering, animal breeding and genetics, computing theory and practice, and mining and mineral engineering. Not one of these 2,100 doctoral degrees went to an African American.
The Gender Gap in Black Ph.D. Awards
As is the case in almost every measure of African-American higher education, black women have come to hold a large lead in doctoral awards. As recently as 1977, black women earned only 38.7 percent of all doctorates awarded to African Americans. By 2000 black women earned 65.7 percent of all doctorates awarded to African Americans. This is the highest percentage of African-American doctoral awards earned by women in U.S. history. Black men narrowed the gap in both 2001 and 2002. But in 2003 and 2004 black women upped their percentage of all doctorates earned by African Americans. In 2004, 65.5 percent of all African-American doctorates were earned by women, just short of the all-time high.
Since 1990 African-American women have increased their number of Ph.D. awards from 550 to 1,224. This is an increase of 123 percent. In contrast, the number of Ph.D. awards to African-American men increased from 351 in 1990 to 645. This is a rise of 83.8 percent.
Doctorates Awarded by Historically Black Universities
In 2004 historically black colleges and universities awarded 350 doctorates to recipients of all races. This was a huge 19 percent increase over 2003.
Howard University awarded 88 doctorates in 2004, the most of any historically black university. The Howard total was up 10 percent from a year ago. Tennessee State University awarded 45 doctoral degrees in 2004, up 25 percent from 2003. Jackson State University, Clark Atlanta University, Morgan State University, Florida A&M University, South Carolina State University, North Carolina A&T State University, Meharry Medical College, and Texas Southern University were the only other black universities to award at least 10 doctorates in 2004.
Two universities that had large increases in doctoral degrees were Florida A&M and North Carolina A&T. In 2003 Florida A&M awarded four doctorates. In 2004 the number was 23. For North Carolina A&T State University, doctoral awards increased from three in 2003 to 21 in 2004. All 21 doctorates given out by the university were in engineering.
Nationwide, about 14 percent of all doctorates given out by U.S. universities each year are in the physical sciences. But data from the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago shows that only three of the 350 doctorates awarded at historically black colleges and universities in 2004 were in these fields. All three were awarded by Alabama A&M University. The black universities gave out only one doctoral degree in mathematics.
Most of the doctorates awarded by black universities were in the social sciences and education, with a large majority of these in the field of education. At South Carolina State University, 23 doctorates were awarded in 2004. All were in the field of education.
Other Racial Disparities in Ph.D. Awards
Here are further facts on doctoral awards to blacks contained in the most recent survey on earned doctorates:
• The average age of a black Ph.D. recipient in 2003 was 37.8 compared to 33.5 for all Americans.
• It appears that the predominantly white faculties of our major research universities prefer white teaching assistants over black teaching assistants. About 18 percent of white Americans who earned doctorates in 2004 served as college teaching assistants during their doctoral study. Only 8.7 percent of black doctoral students served as teaching assistants.
• Black Americans on average took 12.5 years to earn a doctorate after receiving their bachelor's degree and 9.7 years after they first entered graduate school. The average time for all white Americans was 10.5 years after they earned their bachelor's degree and 8.3 years after first entering graduate school. Disparate economic burdens on black and white Ph.D. candidates probably account for much of the difference.
• Some 22 percent of all white Americans who earned doctorates in 2004 plan postdoctoral study. For blacks, 15.5 percent plan on postdoc study.
• Nearly 44 percent of all blacks awarded doctorates in 2004 plan careers in academia. White doctorate recipients were slightly more likely to aspire to teach at the university level. Nearly 10 percent of white Ph.D. recipients plan to secure a job in business or industry compared to 5.6 percent of blacks who earned doctorates.
For most observers the statistics on black doctorates seem of marginal importance. Yet they are a good indicator of black progress in achieving the educational credentials required for teaching positions at our major colleges and universities. It is likely, too, that at such time as blacks achieve Ph.D. parity, or near parity, with whites in all academic disciplines, the day will also mark the arrival of overall racial equality.
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Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners
Celebrated scientist attacked for race comments: "All our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really"
By Cahal Milmo
Published: 17 October 2007
One of the world's most eminent scientists was embroiled in an extraordinary row last night after he claimed that black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that "equal powers of reason" were shared across racial groups was a delusion.
James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made ahead of his arrival in Britain today for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London.
http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece (http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece)
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Of course you are right... Thank you for making me laugh. Even worse, I'd like to know how many of these went through on an Affirmative Action program or pushed through, like "Dr" "Rev" "Martin Luther" King Jr., to receive a fraudulently awarded and mass plagiarized phony Ph.D?
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Didn't Roy Inis debate Watson in the early 80's ?
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Didn't Roy Inis debate Watson in the early 80's ?
I don't know but it would be interesting to hear.
Here is an audio from J. Philip Rushton who wrote the book "Race Evolution and Behavior"
http://www.solargeneral.com/audio/RushtonRacialDifferences.rm
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http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece (http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece)
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Nothing new here. Like Watson said, within a decade we will probably be able to find the particular gene that causes differences in intelligence and we'll be able to look at the difference in intelligence between black people and every else in a completely scientific way. We'll see if black people and liberals will accept the results when they come out, they'll probably find some way to attack its validity even though it would probably be sound.
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I do not buy it. No race has a better brain than another. Blacks choose to live like cats and dogs. There is no excuse.
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(scratching my armpit)...hoo hoo hoo....
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Great article, revealing the truth! I read it earlier in the day... The truth finally comes out! ;D
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I do not buy it. No race has a better brain than another. Blacks choose to live like cats and dogs. There is no excuse.
What if choice is a product of intelligence?
Where does culture fit in?
Is it a chicken-egg argument?
Are there any psych people here?
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I do not buy it. No race has a better brain than another. Blacks choose to live like cats and dogs. There is no excuse.
What if choice is a product of intelligence?
Choice is absolutely a product of intelligence. Each person has a range of possibilities to them that they can choose from. No two people have the exact same spectrum of choices they are able to make, and no one person has the entire spectrum of choices available to him. Our brains in some sense predestine what we will do with our lives and how we will behave, we are hardwired in some senses and people who study the brain are starting to find this out. Of course this isn't to say that we do not have free will, we do, but it is a constrained free will, it isn't absolutely free. To assume that everyone is able to make the exact same choices is just unrealistic. They have done studies on how people's brains can determine the choices they make. For instance, they took identical twins, same DNA, who were separated at birth and who were raised in two completely different families. They studied each of them when they were around 35 and found that they were working in the same profession, liked the same food, wore the same kind of clothes, had the same kinds of girlfriends, etc etc. Similarities that if each person had the ability to freely make his own choices unconstrained by his mind, or intelligence, reason, what have you, should not have existed.
You also find this phenomenon with parents and their children. Much of the time, the children will follow the same course and will make many of the same decisions even though they were unaware that their parent had ever made that decision. If parents and children can be constrained to make the same decisions, it is not hard to make that inferential leap and say that people who have related brains (i.e. whose brains have evolved similarly within their particular racial group) will exhibit similar characteristics, will have proclivities to certain things, will act similarly given similar situations etc etc.
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Can blacks run faster than whites or Asians.Usually,WE can agree on that.Its genetic, but if Asians and whites are smarter,We forget all reality.Forget genetics, forget reality,Its time we get over it.We are all humans with different strengths.That is not wrong!I don't hate!That is the modern excuse used to hold down the brighter.
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Can blacks run faster than whites or Asians.Usually,WE can agree on that.Its genetic, but if Asians and whites are smarter,We forget all reality.Forget genetics, forget reality,Its time we get over it.We are all humans with different strengths.That is not wrong!I don't hate!That is the modern excuse used to hold down the brighter.
I actually think that most people don't think that blacks are genetically faster than whites, even though all the fastest runners in the world are black, fastest football players, etc. Most people will probably tell you that it's because they work harder and that there aren't any differences genetically between people's bodies. People are more likely to admit that there are genetic physical differences than they are to admit that there are genetic mental differences, somehow one can exist but not the other, and somehow, one is more insulting than the other to people. I don't really get it.
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Its pathetic.And whites are so afraid.Bunch of cowards.If blacks are faster and can jump higher so what.Thats good for them.If whites are overall smarter ,Good for them.The rest is pure racism or self hatred,Bro!
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Now the whites here can feel better with themselvs, don't they ?
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Now the whites here can feel better with themselvs, don't they ?
That's not the issue here. The issue is honesty, and getting people to realize that their insane policies to help black people are premised on the notion that they are equally intelligent as everyone else. These policies will just lead to more failure, scapegoating, and distress in the future if people don't wake up and realize the facts. White people aren't trying to prove that they're the most intelligent in the world, the people who acknowledge the truth of black intelligence admit that asians in general have higher IQs than whites do.
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Topics like this is exactly why I feel uncomfortable posting on JTF because I feel too many people here are obsessed with all this racial crap. >:(
Now who is this scientist Dr. James D. Watson???
He is a "secular humanist" and an "atheist". He happens to be a prominent believer in eugenics where there is a somewhat revival of this movement which has its roots in Nazism.
No surprise that this Dr. Watson has said that Anti-Semitism is justified. >:( >:( >:(
I would not believe any of the crap that this evil bastard spouts. >:( >:( >:(
People here falling for this stuff is dangerous.
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Nothing new here. Like Watson said, within a decade we will probably be able to find the particular gene that causes differences in intelligence and we'll be able to look at the difference in intelligence between black people and every else in a completely scientific way. We'll see if black people and liberals will accept the results when they come out, they'll probably find some way to attack its validity even though it would probably be sound.
Zeev, I think it's great there are Jews like you. Races do have inherit differences. Believing this doesn't make someone a Nazi or racist. Absolutely not. What do you think of racial mixing? Do you think it's acceptable for White Jews to mix with Black Jews?
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Topics like this is exactly why I feel uncomfortable posting on JTF because I feel too many people here are obsessed with all this racial crap. >:(
Now who is this scientist Dr. James D. Watson???
He is a "secular humanist" and an "atheist". He happens to be a prominent believer in eugenics where there is a somewhat revival of this movement which has its roots in Nazism.
No surprise that this Dr. Watson has said that Anti-Semitism is justified. >:( >:( >:(
I would not believe any of the crap that this evil bastard spouts. >:( >:( >:(
People here falling for this stuff is dangerous.
Actually it's not true that eugenics had its roots in Nazism. Eugenics as a movement first started in the United States.
Where has Dr. Watson said that anti-Semitism is justified?
There is no danger for people "falling for this stuff", no one has fallen for anything, most people who acknowledge this have known that Africans are genetically less intelligent through independent research.
Sure the guy could be really evil, but when you're right, you're right.
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You can train a dog to fetch, you can train a cat to go in a litterbox, you can train a seal to ballance a ball on its nose, and you can train a chimp (real chimp) to put the right colored pegs in the hole. But you can not teach schvartzahs how to behave that they have yet to learn.
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Nothing new here. Like Watson said, within a decade we will probably be able to find the particular gene that causes differences in intelligence and we'll be able to look at the difference in intelligence between black people and every else in a completely scientific way. We'll see if black people and liberals will accept the results when they come out, they'll probably find some way to attack its validity even though it would probably be sound.
Zeev, I think it's great there are Jews like you. Races do have inherit differences. Believing this doesn't make someone a Nazi or racist. Absolutely not. What do you think of racial mixing? Do you think it's acceptable for White Jews to mix with Black Jews?
I'm against it for myself, but I cannot tell another person who they should and should not marry. If my daughter or son were thinking about it, I would strongly advise against it, mainly for intelligence grounds. The average Ethiopian has an IQ somewhere in the 70s to low 80s. I accept that the Ethiopian Jews belong in Israel and I am glad they were liberated from Ethiopia, but I don't think that white Jews should interbreed with them because it will dilute their blood which is pretty much all us Jews have going for us, our brains. I don't think that Jewish genius should be jeopardized in any way.
If black Jews were just as intelligent as white Jews, I wouldn't have any problem with it but I still wouldn't do it myself.
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Race is not the issue at all, it is pure evil that comes from these savages that is the problem.
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How sad science is good when it meets our cause.But, if Whites and Asians are smarter ,why does that bother some .u just show your self for whom ye really are!
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Actually it's not true that eugenics had its roots in Nazism. Eugenics as a movement first started in the United States.
Where has Dr. Watson said that anti-Semitism is justified?
There is no danger for people "falling for this stuff", no one has fallen for anything, most people who acknowledge this have known that Africans are genetically less intelligent through independent research.
Sure the guy could be really evil, but when you're right, you're right.
Okay so eugincs started in the US but still this was popular amongst the Nazis. Dr. Watson is an antisemite.
http://www.paulasays.com/articles/on_anti-semitism/2007_by_country/list_of_anti-semitic_attacks.html
(his name listed under the United States section.)
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I'm against it for myself, but I cannot tell another person who they should and should not marry. If my daughter or son were thinking about it, I would strongly advise against it, mainly for intelligence grounds. The average Ethiopian has an IQ somewhere in the 70s to low 80s. I accept that the Ethiopian Jews belong in Israel and I am glad they were liberated from Ethiopia, but I don't think that white Jews should interbreed with them because it will dilute their blood which is pretty much all us Jews have going for us, our brains. I don't think that Jewish genius should be jeopardized in any way.
If black Jews were just as intelligent as white Jews, I wouldn't have any problem with it but I still wouldn't do it myself.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I wish all Jews were like you. It saddens me when I see things like this:(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/William_Cohen_Janet_Langhart.JPG/707px-William_Cohen_Janet_Langhart.JPG)
Ruining one's genetics is such a waste.
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My father told me this as a child. It is not a new fact it has been known a long time. My father also told me that Negroes are mutated from apes and that the other races the Semites, Indo-Europeans and Asians are created by God.
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My father told me this as a child. It is not a new fact it has been known a long time. My father also told me that Negroes are mutated from apes and that the other races the Semites, Indo-Europeans and Asians are created by G-d.
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My father told me this as a child. It is not a new fact it has been known a long time. My father also told me that Negroes are mutated from apes and that the other races the Semites, Indo-Europeans and Asians are created by G-d.
Well, human beings are all "mutated" from lower primates or apes and all humans are primates. Negroes are homo sapiens just like we are, but they evolved in a completely different environment which did not allow their mental capacities to flourish like whites and Asians. They aren't "mutated from apes" but they are not as mentally evolved as whites and asians are.
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Youd dad was wrong and ignorant.All of us are humans,But we have different quality's!Your dad was a sick man!My Bi -racial daughter is much smarter than her 3 brothers and sisters who are Blonde haired blue eyed.Go figure stupid!
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Youd dad was wrong and ignorant.All of us are humans,But we have different quality's!Your dad was a sick man!My Bi -racial daughter is much smarter than her 3 brothers and sisters who are Blonde haired blue eyed.Go figure stupid!
Now I know why this self-hating Jew became a a "white nationalist", with a father like that!
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What a beautiful picture, aye? :D :o :D :o :-\
(http://nonstriker.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/tiger-woods-baby-10.jpg)
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What a beautiful picture, aye? :D :o :D :o :-\
(http://nonstriker.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/tiger-woods-baby-10.jpg)
Gross. Tiger Woods is the posterboy against excessive racial mixing, that guy's all over the place!
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Youd dad was wrong and ignorant.All of us are humans,But we have different quality's!Your dad was a sick man!My Bi -racial daughter is much smarter than her 3 brothers and sisters who are Blonde haired blue eyed.Go figure stupid!
Now I know why this self-hating Jew became a a "white nationalist", with a father like that!
I am not a "White Nationalist". You originally called my father a nazi which is not true. My father was not even born at that time. The only one that has contacts with the nazis was his father who fought in one of the Cossack divisions in the Great Patriotic war. That is as far as my family nazi connections go. My mothers side of the family was terrorized by nazis a Great Aunt of mine on my mothers side was killed. It is ridiculous to call me a nazi or a "White Nationalist". I am just a regular nationalist who is against intermixing. I support JTF and even sent them money before!
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What a beautiful picture, aye? :D :o :D :o :-\
(http://nonstriker.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/tiger-woods-baby-10.jpg)
Gross. Tiger Woods is the posterboy against excessive racial mixing, that guy's all over the place!
Millions of years of evolution to create such beautiful blond women.. and she throws it down the toilet.
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What a beautiful picture, aye? :D :o :D :o :-\
(http://nonstriker.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/tiger-woods-baby-10.jpg)
Gross. Tiger Woods is the posterboy against excessive racial mixing, that guy's all over the place!
Millions of years of evolution to create such beautiful blond women.. and she throws it down the toilet.
Yeah, It is happening a lot. I guess liberals need to be taken out and reinstate anti miscegenation laws.
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Youd dad was wrong and ignorant.All of us are humans,But we have different quality's!Your dad was a sick man!My Bi -racial daughter is much smarter than her 3 brothers and sisters who are Blonde haired blue eyed.Go figure stupid!
Now I know why this self-hating Jew became a a "white nationalist", with a father like that!
I am not a "White Nationalist". You originally called my father a nazi which is not true. My father was not even born at that time. The only one that has contacts with the nazis was his father who fought in one of the Cossack divisions in the Great Patriotic war. That is as far as my family nazi connections go. My mothers side of the family was terrorized by nazis a Great Aunt of mine on my mothers side was killed. It is ridiculous to call me a nazi or a "White Nationalist". I am just a regular nationalist who is against intermixing. I support JTF and even sent them money before!
Well, you certainly seemed like a Nazi when you first came on the forum. Your post sounded like the typical post a person from StørmFrønt makes when he comes onto the forum for the first time and wants the "real scoop" about Jews, from people who are likely to tell them the truth. I guess we've just had too much experience with that recently so I thought you filled the mold.
Ok, maybe you're not white nationalist or Nazi but you're definitely a self-hating Jew of the highest order.
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Youd dad was wrong and ignorant.All of us are humans,But we have different quality's!Your dad was a sick man!My Bi -racial daughter is much smarter than her 3 brothers and sisters who are Blonde haired blue eyed.Go figure stupid!
I just wondering why a man with a website called Christian White Nation would have a bi-racial daughter. Are you a hypocrite sir?
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Youd dad was wrong and ignorant.All of us are humans,But we have different quality's!Your dad was a sick man!My Bi -racial daughter is much smarter than her 3 brothers and sisters who are Blonde haired blue eyed.Go figure stupid!
Now I know why this self-hating Jew became a a "white nationalist", with a father like that!
I am not a "White Nationalist". You originally called my father a nazi which is not true. My father was not even born at that time. The only one that has contacts with the nazis was his father who fought in one of the Cossack divisions in the Great Patriotic war. That is as far as my family nazi connections go. My mothers side of the family was terrorized by nazis a Great Aunt of mine on my mothers side was killed. It is ridiculous to call me a nazi or a "White Nationalist". I am just a regular nationalist who is against intermixing. I support JTF and even sent them money before!
Well, you certainly seemed like a Nazi when you first came on the forum. Your post sounded like the typical post a person from StørmFrønt makes when he comes onto the forum for the first time and wants the "real scoop" about Jews, from people who are likely to tell them the truth. I guess we've just had too much experience with that recently so I thought you filled the mold.
Ok, maybe you're not white nationalist or Nazi but you're definitely a self-hating Jew of the highest order.
I am not self-hating because I love myself. I just don't accept Jewish traditions.
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Youd dad was wrong and ignorant.All of us are humans,But we have different quality's!Your dad was a sick man!My Bi -racial daughter is much smarter than her 3 brothers and sisters who are Blonde haired blue eyed.Go figure stupid!
I just wondering why a man with a website called Christian White Nation would have a bi-racial daughter. Are you a hypocrite sir?
Maybe he's reformed since then?
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I am not self-hating because I love myself. I just don't accept Jewish traditions.
You don't have to accept ANY Jewish traditions to consider yourself Jewish. The overwhelming majority of American Jews don't accept ANY Jewish traditions.
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I am not self-hating because I love myself. I just don't accept Jewish traditions.
You don't have to accept ANY Jewish traditions to consider yourself Jewish. The overwhelming majority of American Jews don't accept ANY Jewish traditions.
How can I be Jewish if my father was not Jewish? If I remember correctly in the Torah all the stories have the father being Jewish. In the Torah it went by who the father was, not the mother. I don't see how I can be considered a Jew. My father is not Jewish.
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Tiger Woods has a beautiful family. Is JTF against intteracial couples??
Sorry, I new to JTF and so I don't know about everything it stands for.
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Tiger Woods has a beautiful family. Is JTF against intteracial couples??
Sorry, I new to JTF and so I don't know about everything it stands for.
No JTF is not against interracial couples. I am. Please don't confuse me as the JTF liason. Maybe I should post a disclaimer
"The views of Ze'ev Jabotinsky do not necessarily represent the views of JTF"
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Tiger Woods has a beautiful family. Is JTF against intteracial couples??
Sorry, I new to JTF and so I don't know about everything it stands for.
I would say so after listening to some broadcasts.
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Tiger Woods has a beautiful family. Is JTF against intteracial couples??
Sorry, I new to JTF and so I don't know about everything it stands for.
Same goes for me... the JTF message is not against interracial couples, but against humans marrying animals.
Speaking for myself though, I am personally against interracial couples.
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Sir you are quick to judge so I will give you some time....
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Sir you are quick to judge so I will give you some time....
I judge by a persons actions just as the bible says to do.
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
Oh, that's an interesting mix. And quite a nice one!
I'm not really against intermarrying per se. I'm just against intermarrying with people who are less intelligent, and possibly less attractive and who have less desirable characteristics.
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
Oh, that's an interesting mix. And quite a nice one!
I'm not really against intermarrying per se. I'm just against intermarrying with people who are less intelligent, and possibly less attractive and who have less desirable characteristics.
It looks like you are a supporter of eugenics. My best friend Marat is like that as well.
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
Oh, that's an interesting mix. And quite a nice one!
I'm not really against intermarrying per se. I'm just against intermarrying with people who are less intelligent, and possibly less attractive and who have less desirable characteristics.
It looks like you are a supporter of eugenics. My best friend Marat is like that as well.
I'm not a supporter of eugenics. Eugenics involves imposing this upon other people. I think people can intermarry with whoever they want to, I'm just against it and will choose not to do so myself.
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
Oh, that's an interesting mix. And quite a nice one!
I'm not really against intermarrying per se. I'm just against intermarrying with people who are less intelligent, and possibly less attractive and who have less desirable characteristics.
It looks like you are a supporter of eugenics. My best friend Marat is like that as well.
I'm not a supporter of eugenics. Eugenics involves imposing this upon other people. I think people can intermarry with whoever they want to, I'm just against it and will choose not to do so myself.
Ahh, you take the more libertarian road
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Your so sad !Is it a slow night on StørmFrønt??????....I went there to get your goat and you jerks and you all answered Quickly! LOL
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
Oh, that's an interesting mix. And quite a nice one!
I'm not really against intermarrying per se. I'm just against intermarrying with people who are less intelligent, and possibly less attractive and who have less desirable characteristics.
It looks like you are a supporter of eugenics. My best friend Marat is like that as well.
I'm not a supporter of eugenics. Eugenics involves imposing this upon other people. I think people can intermarry with whoever they want to, I'm just against it and will choose not to do so myself.
Ahh, you take the more libertarian road
Well, I would enact anti-miscegenation laws in Israel if it was up to me, but not in the U.S.
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
Oh, that's an interesting mix. And quite a nice one!
I'm not really against intermarrying per se. I'm just against intermarrying with people who are less intelligent, and possibly less attractive and who have less desirable characteristics.
It looks like you are a supporter of eugenics. My best friend Marat is like that as well.
I'm not a supporter of eugenics. Eugenics involves imposing this upon other people. I think people can intermarry with whoever they want to, I'm just against it and will choose not to do so myself.
Ahh, you take the more libertarian road
Well, I would enact anti-miscegenation laws in Israel if it was up to me, but not in the U.S.
Why not the US? They had them before the Soviets funded counter culture operations
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
Oh, that's an interesting mix. And quite a nice one!
I'm not really against intermarrying per se. I'm just against intermarrying with people who are less intelligent, and possibly less attractive and who have less desirable characteristics.
It looks like you are a supporter of eugenics. My best friend Marat is like that as well.
I'm not a supporter of eugenics. Eugenics involves imposing this upon other people. I think people can intermarry with whoever they want to, I'm just against it and will choose not to do so myself.
Ahh, you take the more libertarian road
Well, I would enact anti-miscegenation laws in Israel if it was up to me, but not in the U.S.
Why not the US? They had them before the Soviets funded counter culture operations
I think Israelis might be able to go for such a law, but Americans would never go for it. Also in Israel, it would be really simple. No-Jews marrying non-Jews. In the U.S. it would be really difficult, especially because there are lots of bi-racial people. What if a person is half-black and half white, would a white be forbidden from marrying a half black. What about someone who is 1/4th black? Would he be allowed to intermarry with a white? What if he is half Mexican and half white, would he be allowed to marry a full white? All of the possibilities are endless. Would ethnic Italians be able to marry ethnic Indians? Would ethnic Germans be able to marry ethnic arabs? It's hard to draw a distinction, and I don't think the specifics of a law like that could ever be agreed upon.
If I had to make a miscegenation law in the U.S. I suppose it would be that blacks would be required to marry other blacks. I don't think I would have a problem with making that kind of a law. People would NEVER go for it though.
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
Oh, that's an interesting mix. And quite a nice one!
I'm not really against intermarrying per se. I'm just against intermarrying with people who are less intelligent, and possibly less attractive and who have less desirable characteristics.
It looks like you are a supporter of eugenics. My best friend Marat is like that as well.
I'm not a supporter of eugenics. Eugenics involves imposing this upon other people. I think people can intermarry with whoever they want to, I'm just against it and will choose not to do so myself.
Ahh, you take the more libertarian road
Well, I would enact anti-miscegenation laws in Israel if it was up to me, but not in the U.S.
Why not the US? They had them before the Soviets funded counter culture operations
I think Israelis might be able to go for such a law, but Americans would never go for it. Also in Israel, it would be really simple. No-Jews marrying non-Jews. In the U.S. it would be really difficult, especially because there are lots of bi-racial people. What if a person is half-black and half white, would a white be forbidden from marrying a half black. What about someone who is 1/4th black? Would he be allowed to intermarry with a white? What if he is half Mexican and half white, would he be allowed to marry a full white? All of the possibilities are endless. Would ethnic Italians be able to marry ethnic Indians? Would ethnic Germans be able to marry ethnic arabs? It's hard to draw a distinction, and I don't think the specifics of a law like that could ever be agreed upon.
If I had to make a miscegenation law in the U.S. I suppose it would be that blacks would be required to marry other blacks. I don't think I would have a problem with making that kind of a law. People would NEVER go for it though.
It might be possible if the media would promote it. Most people see the TV as an authority. Mixed people are not our problem it was their parents choice to mix. The sins of the parents are almost always put on the children that is just he way it is. What matters most is what is the best for the Narod.
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These findings come as NO surprise.
Add it all up:...........
The Low IQ (av' 65-70)
Violent, primitive behaviour in EVERY (non-Jewish) black community
An arrested, stoneage culture
Ape-like skulls, faces and other physical characteristics
Inability to control violent or sexual urges
The list goes on..........................
I believe the african negro is some sort of hybrid ape/ human dead end of nature, slated for extinction like other species before it. Indeed the african would be near to extinction if not for human (white) intervention with medicine, science and engineering.
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Okay thanks Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Vito. :) You guys have the right to your views even though I don't agree because I have a mixed family of Indian/Baghdadi Jewish origin.
Oh, that's an interesting mix. And quite a nice one!
I'm not really against intermarrying per se. I'm just against intermarrying with people who are less intelligent, and possibly less attractive and who have less desirable characteristics.
Thanks Ze'ev thats on my mothers side of the family and my father is Australian. Sorry everyone for my outburst on the first post here lol I get a bit defensive with things like that coming from mixed background. Also I saw the name of the scientist in that article posted here and remembered his name because I've studied a bit about eugenics. I'm a bit skeptical about it all and I thought you guys should know that this scientist is an antisemite. I don't trust some of his studies.
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Thanks Ze'ev thats on my mothers side of the family and my father is Australian. Sorry everyone for my outburst on the first post here lol I get a bit defensive with things like that coming from mixed background. Also I saw the name of the scientist in that article posted here and remembered his name because I've studied a bit about eugenics. I'm a bit skeptical about it all and I thought you guys should know that this scientist is an antisemite. I don't trust some of his studies.
The german scientists and engineers who did such ground breaking work on conventional submarines in WW2 were anti-semites, too. Yet all nations with conventional submarines today (including Israel) utilise the advances they created.
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Thanks Ze'ev thats on my mothers side of the family and my father is Australian. Sorry everyone for my outburst on the first post here lol I get a bit defensive with things like that coming from mixed background. Also I saw the name of the scientist in that article posted here and remembered his name because I've studied a bit about eugenics. I'm a bit skeptical about it all and I thought you guys should know that this scientist is an antisemite. I don't trust some of his studies.
The german scientists and engineers who did such ground breaking work on conventional submarines in WW2 were anti-semites, too. Yet all nations with conventional submarines today (including Israel) utilise the advances they created.
That's a good point. Also, it could just take someone that politically incorrect to say the truth about a certain issue, even if he isn't right about other ones. But thanks for the warning Jyla. Is it your grandmother on your mother's side who was the Iraqi Jew?
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My dear Watson has a good point. Generally speaking whites are smarter than blacks. Plenty of blacks are mean and nasty too. I wonder if that's genetics too. I know there must be a gene for this visciousness. Watson, needs to add visciousness to his gene theory. Most Blacks aren't just dumb, they're mean, nasty and viscious.
But Jews certainly know how to dig their own grave better than any other group. I mean, can you imagine giving Jewish land away to Arabs who have been killing Jews for thousands of years. And openly say they are going to finish Hitler's job. Therefore, I say Jews are actually the most self destructive of all races.
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Yes, shadow and then whites are next as self destructive....
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My dear Watson has a good point. Generally speaking whites are smarter than blacks. Plenty of blacks are mean and nasty too. I wonder if that's genetics too. I know there must be a gene for this visciousness. Watson, needs to add visciousness to his gene theory. Most Blacks aren't just dumb, they're mean, nasty and viscious.
But Jews certainly know how to dig their own grave better than any other group. I mean, can you imagine giving Jewish land away to Arabs who have been killing Jews for thousands of years. And openly say they are going to finish Hitler's job. Therefore, I say Jews are actually the most self destructive of all races.
Being self-destructive is different from being intelligent. Jews are pretty self-destructive but blacks could be just as destructive. Think about the wars they have WITHIN THEMSELVES, they kill millions of their fellow "broddas". Jews wouldn't do that to each other and do it in such a vicious way like the Tutsi Holocaust in Rwanda. Blacks don't try to feed themselves, improve their agriculture, they sleep with virgins in order to cure themselves of AIDs. They die from diseases and they fail to learn time and time again how to start a decent economy.
Jews have been defending themselves quite well since the birth of Israel, and I think they will wake up from their mistake of establishing a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state soon. Blacks on the other hand would be close to extinction if it wasn't for the Western aid they were given.
The only place where blacks are good at surviving are places like Europe and the U.S. where we set up special programs for them, give them welfare, free medicine, and incarcerate them for free. They've learned to adapt to that situation and suckle on the teet of decent and civilized countries but they could never have such good survival skills in the real world, the world they live in in the U.S. and Europe isn't the real world, it's filled with a bunch of insane people.
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That's a good point. Also, it could just take someone that politically incorrect to say the truth about a certain issue, even if he isn't right about other ones. But thanks for the warning Jyla. Is it your grandmother on your mother's side who was the Iraqi Jew?
Yes but I don't think she was religious and she married an Indian, they're Christian now and some of my family are Hindus. Personally I'm not religious but have always felt drawn to Judaism. :)
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Apart from a few, token 'tsk tsk' noises, why does nobody raise an eyebrow when africans chop each other up with machettes by the tens of thousands?
Because it's just normal black behaviour (like Jews arguing ;))
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That's a good point. Also, it could just take someone that politically incorrect to say the truth about a certain issue, even if he isn't right about other ones. But thanks for the warning Jyla. Is it your grandmother on your mother's side who was the Iraqi Jew?
Yes but I don't think she was religious and she married an Indian, they're Christian now and some of my family are Hindus. Personally I'm not religious but have always felt drawn to Judaism. :)
Well, you're Jewish. I'm sick and tired of seeing all these people who are Halachically Jewish on this forum who won't admit it. Argggggggg
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I cant say anything .My emotions got the best of me,Buuuut I will say we do have enemies.Even paranoids have them,And I wont mention any names Erika ,Sarah ect.
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I cant say anything .My emotions got the best of me,Buuuut I will say we do have enemies.Even paranoids have them,And I wont mention any names Erika ,Sarah ect.
Sarah is NOT an enemy.
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No she is just a good little kid!
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My dear Watson has a good point. Generally speaking whites are smarter than blacks. Plenty of blacks are mean and nasty too. I wonder if that's genetics too. I know there must be a gene for this visciousness. Watson, needs to add visciousness to his gene theory. Most Blacks aren't just dumb, they're mean, nasty and viscious.
But Jews certainly know how to dig their own grave better than any other group. I mean, can you imagine giving Jewish land away to Arabs who have been killing Jews for thousands of years. And openly say they are going to finish Hitler's job. Therefore, I say Jews are actually the most self destructive of all races.
Being self-destructive is different from being intelligent. Jews are pretty self-destructive but blacks could be just as destructive. Think about the wars they have WITHIN THEMSELVES, they kill millions of their fellow "broddas". Jews wouldn't do that to each other and do it in such a vicious way like the Tutsi Holocaust in Rwanda. Blacks don't try to feed themselves, improve their agriculture, they sleep with virgins in order to cure themselves of AIDs. They die from diseases and they fail to learn time and time again how to start a decent economy.
Jews have been defending themselves quite well since the birth of Israel, and I think they will wake up from their mistake of establishing a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state soon. Blacks on the other hand would be close to extinction if it wasn't for the Western aid they were given.
The only place where blacks are good at surviving are places like Europe and the U.S. where we set up special programs for them, give them welfare, free medicine, and incarcerate them for free. They've learned to adapt to that situation and suckle on the teet of decent and civilized countries but they could never have such good survival skills in the real world, the world they live in in the U.S. and Europe isn't the real world, it's filled with a bunch of insane people.
Jews have been fighting against one another in the past too; from Machabean wars to the Altalena sinking being last mayor incident; but you have right sooner or later they'll wake up from piss with Palestinians dream. About negroes in west they're used as underclass prols along wit others to be used agianst commoners by left and their NWO's elitist masters. Black and other imigrant crime in London was used as excuse to change the city into one "Big Brothers" with thousands of cameras tracking your every move; funny enough they let the 7/7 bombers get through. ::)
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kinda like how on 9/11 the buildings just went right strait down.All 3.Kinda like a demolition.LOLWhat are the chances of that?.I wonder!
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kinda like how on 9/11 the buildings just went right strait down.All 3.Kinda like a demolition.LOLWhat are the chances of that?.I wonder!
Pretty good considering that's the logical way for a building with a weakened structure to fall down.
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Please bro you don't really believe that!
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The german scientists and engineers who did such ground breaking work on conventional submarines in WW2 were anti-semites, too. Yet all nations with conventional submarines today (including Israel) utilise the advances they created.
Yes German scientists and engineers are great and have contributed much to society but I'm just warning people here about some of the dangers in believing in these scientific claims by people like Dr. Watson. I've never posted here in the general section most of my posts are related to Serbia and Israel discussion, but I wanted to reply to this thread because I've read a bit about eugenics and I don't like it inpartucular because it was popular movement in Nazi Germany. People should be more aware of this and know that its a slowly growing revival in the scientific community.
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I do not buy it. No race has a better brain than another. Blacks choose to live like cats and dogs. There is no excuse.
As a person who denies this "enlightened" egalitarianism I do not beleive that all cultures, races/people, faiths or political ideologies are good or equal. I feel nothing is equal. There are many reasons why Africa is a million year old despotic deprave degenerative toilet and the entire Judeo-Chritian West is the way it is....
I am most assuradly open to the idea that this fellow, and others, have placed forward with the same scientific criteria grounded in their hypothesis.... Logical to me brother... sorry to disagree...
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The Shadow: "...Jews certainly know how to dig their own grave better than any other group. I mean, can you imagine giving Jewish land away to Arabs who have been killing Jews for thousands of years..."
In fact, it is only recently, with the WHITE government of the U.S.A. subverting the Israeli government, propping up puppet traitors in place of nationalist patriots, that we find phony leaders blackmailed by the Council On Foreign Relations to give away OUR sacred lands to murderers.
As for the "vicious blacks"...do a little reading for a change (you've obviously read little other than StørmFrønt crap) and you'll find that the WHITE Viking Norsemen terrified all of Europe not too long ago...not only did they rape and pillage WHITE Christian civilization, but they sodomized all WHITE CHRISTIAN MEN whom they had conquered...and not for any good reason either...just for fun. Had they any "reason" for their viciousness, they would have carried their loot back to Norseland and built it into Europe's greatest and most advanced civilization. But such is not the case. What we see today in the former Norseland are several countries renowned throughout the world as capitols of child pornography, prostitution, homosexuality, bestiality, socialism, and pacifism.
Perhaps a little more education might enlighten "The Shadow" & "Russe" as to the internecine 100 Years War fought by the WHITE Christian Europeans against each other, not to mention the WHITE CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS known as The Spanish Inquisition.
And before you repeat the big lie of "it was the Jew financiers who created all the European wars", let me assure you that if Jews were as "manipulative" and "destructive" as you claim us to be, we would have never allowed any White European Christians to survive any of your wars.
Every European Court did have a "Court Jew", but only to assist the Kings and Queens of Europe with the financial means to wage THEIR White European Christian Wars against other White European Christian nations. White Christian Europe made it illegal for Jews to participate in any field of endeavor other than finance and banking. Jews were forbidden membership in guilds...so when you blame the Jew for finance, you're actually holding your own heritage responsible.
You claim the Jews are "the most destructive of all races?"...We certainly can be as destructive as any other peoples because, after all, for the last 2,000 years we've had some of the best White Christian European teachers.
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My father told me this as a child. It is not a new fact it has been known a long time. My father also told me that Negroes are mutated from apes and that the other races the Semites, Indo-Europeans and Asians are created by G-d.
LOL...thanks for making me laugh... that was funny. There was a poster on here who posted the link to a book called "The Negro A Beast".....using the Bible to justy how they are as your father suggests. I have my doubts personally but anything today seems to be possible.... ???
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The Shadow: "...Jews certainly know how to dig their own grave better than any other group. I mean, can you imagine giving Jewish land away to Arabs who have been killing Jews for thousands of years..."
In fact, it is only recently, with the WHITE government of the U.S.A. subverting the Israeli government, propping up puppet traitors in place of nationalist patriots, that we find phony leaders blackmailed by the Council On Foreign Relations to give away OUR sacred lands to murderers.
As for the "vicious blacks"...do a little reading for a change (you've obviously read little other than StørmFrønt crap) and you'll find that the WHITE Viking Norsemen terrified all of Europe not too long ago...not only did they rape and pillage WHITE Christian civilization, but they sodomized all WHITE CHRISTIAN MEN whom they had conquered...and not for any good reason either...just for fun. Had they any "reason" for their viciousness, they would have carried their loot back to Norseland and built it into Europe's greatest and most advanced civilization. But such is not the case. What we see today in the former Norseland are several countries renowned throughout the world as capitols of child pornography, prostitution, homosexuality, bestiality, socialism, and pacifism.
Perhaps a little more education might enlighten "The Shadow" & "Russe" as to the internecine 100 Years War fought by the WHITE Christian Europeans against each other, not to mention the WHITE CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS known as The Spanish Inquisition.
And before you repeat the big lie of "it was the Jew financiers who created all the European wars", let me assure you that if Jews were as "manipulative" and "destructive" as you claim us to be, we would have never allowed any White European Christians to survive any of your wars.
Every European Court did have a "Court Jew", but only to assist the Kings and Queens of Europe with the financial means to wage THEIR White European Christian Wars against other White European Christian nations. White Christian Europe made it illegal for Jews to participate in any field of endeavor other than finance and banking. Jews were forbidden membership in guilds...so when you blame the Jew for finance, you're actually holding your own heritage responsible.
You claim the Jews are "the most destructive of all races?"...We certainly can be as destructive as any other peoples because, after all, for the last 2,000 years we've had some of the best White Christian European teachers.
Very good post MassuhD..... You know a very good Christian Author; Paul Johnson, displays this position very educationally in his book "A History of the Jews"
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Scientist James D. Watson, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA and a Nobel Prize winner, says anti-Semitism is justified, in a recent magazine interview.
The ADL called Dr. Watson's remarks about Jews "disturbing" and is asking Watson to clarify them.
Watson, 78, who lives in Cold Harbor, N.Y., tells Esquire magazine in its January edition that anti-Semitism, in some circumstances, is justified.
In an interview profile for the magazine Watson asks rhetorically, "Should you be allowed to make an anti-Semitic remark?" He answered: "Yes, because some anti-Semitism is justified. Just like some anti-Irish feeling is justified. If you can't be criticized, that's very dangerous. You lose the concept of a free society."
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/1/10/224612.shtml?s=al&promo_code=2BFC-1
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Scientist James D. Watson, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA and a Nobel Prize winner, says anti-Semitism is justified, in a recent magazine interview.
The ADL called Dr. Watson's remarks about Jews "disturbing" and is asking Watson to clarify them.
Watson, 78, who lives in Cold Harbor, N.Y., tells Esquire magazine in its January edition that anti-Semitism, in some circumstances, is justified.
In an interview profile for the magazine Watson asks rhetorically, "Should you be allowed to make an anti-Semitic remark?" He answered: "Yes, because some anti-Semitism is justified. Just like some anti-Irish feeling is justified. If you can't be criticized, that's very dangerous. You lose the concept of a free society."
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/1/10/224612.shtml?s=al&promo_code=2BFC-1
Well, I can see his point really. I hate the Henry Kissengers, Noam Chomskys, Fishers and Peres's of this Earth...
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Sometimes the truth CAN BE SHOCKING... Not to the rest of us who have to deal with them on a daily basis!
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I can understand then why the blacks are so different then whites and frustrated, because their level of intelligence is lower! I guess it`s hard to be stupid, but yet, some of them are indeed intelligent, but surely non of those who attacked me...maybe your Government has to build some special schools, only for those with lower IQ...by the way did you know that your IQ level is not changing that much over period of years, no matter how many years of school you have and how much do you learn! because IQ means CAPACITY, it`s like a bottle, and it's your choice how much water you want to put in! and you are born with that CAPACITY! you can do some minor changes, but not that much. Usually your IQ meassured at 5 years old, will be the same, or slightly changed at 18 years old, or 25! It`s scientifically proven!
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James Waston is a known antisemite. Given the history of eugenicists having made similar claims against Jews in the past, I'm surprised that not one poster here has even thought to question the validity of his research.
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Just because can he prance around in a sportsjacket, toss around a bunch of big words, and makes all sorts of way out pronoucements as if any at all are founded in substance doesn't subtract from the fact that the guy is a racist as well as an anitsemite.
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James Waston is a known antisemite. Given the history of eugenicists having made similar claims against Jews in the past, I'm surprised that not one poster here has even thought to question the validity of his research.
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Just because can he prance around in a sportsjacket, toss around a bunch of big words, and makes all sorts of way out pronoucements as if any at all are founded in substance doesn't subtract from the fact that the guy is a racist as well as an anitsemite.
Kananga this is what I mean about black society riding Jewish coat tails to equal rights. Here we have a thread about black intelligence and you have to toss in the fact that you feel that this guy was antisemitic. Why not make your case about why you believe this guy is wrong about blacks and leave Jews out of it. As I said in another thread without the Jewish help black society received back in the early days of civil rights blacks would still be riding the back of the bus. The sad fact is by trying to help blacks Liberal Jews actually made it bad for all the rest of Jewish society. The thanks Jews got for this help is unbounded hate and violence towards most segments of Jewish society from blacks.
I think this guy must have a point with some of his research. Some black folks are very intelligent but then again a vast majority are as evil and dumb as anything that walks on two's can get. Lets stick to the argument of black intelligence and not confuse the issue by bringing in antisemitism.
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Very true Cjd...very true. Sadly it is a clear case showing the accuracy in the statement about those who bite the hand that feeds them.....
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Kananga: "...James Watson is a known antisemite..."
Kananga, Watson is on record as claiming that European Jews are the most intelligent people on Earth, and he's on record as wondering why other peoples are not as intelligent as European Jews.
If you have other actual quotes from Watson proving your assertion that Dr. Watson is "anti-Semitic", please come forth with them...I'm keeping an open mind to the fact that indeed he might be a Jew-hater, but you have so far failed to convince me.
One other thought...Watson claims that repeated scientific research concludes that Africans and Europeans have differing levels of intelligence.
Whether true or not, Dr. Watsons's conclusions do not make him ipso facto a "racist" (at least in terms of the current colloquial use of that word whereby it is wrongly used as a substitute for the word "hater").
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Kananga: "...James Watson is a known antisemite..."
Kananga, Watson is on record as claiming that European Jews are the most intelligent people on Earth, and he's on record as wondering why other peoples are not as intelligent as European Jews.
If you have other actual quotes from Watson proving your assertion that Dr. Watson is "anti-Semitic", please come forth with them...I'm keeping an open mind to the fact that indeed he might be a Jew-hater, but you have so far failed to convince me.
One other thought...Watson claims that repeated scientific research concludes that Africans and Europeans have differing levels of intelligence.
Whether true or not, Dr. Watsons's conclusions do not make him ipso facto a "racist" (at least in terms of the current colloquial use of that word whereby it is wrongly used as a substitute for the word "hater").
The funny thing is that if one looks up IQ on liberal/leftist Wikipedia it says essentially the exact same thing as this Dr. and Dr. J. Phillip Rushton....
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The fact that a scientist may or may not be an anti-semite have nothing to do with the validity of claims he makes on non-Jewish issues.
If I was walking past a construction site and an anti-semite yelled "Lookout! Falling brick!", I'd still listen.
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It's not that I have a need to coattail any of these issues, but I'd imagined Jews would understand this sort of thing and recognize that this is the same thing that Hitler's nazis done to your people. The last thing I would expect is some seventy years later for European jews to be along side modern day Nazis advocating this sort of thing.
Did any of you bother to read the article I posted? This crackpot maintains that melanin injections gives a person involuntary hardons! Now some Jews are as dark as I am, but there are stil some of you are willing to entertain these theories because he's attacking blacks.
Not to worry. I understand the whole ideology behind the Eugenics movement is the notion that we wll all become "perfected" into some sort of ideal which embodies the aspirations of the White man and his glory. We can take up this discussion again when they come around to lift up your coattail, take your melanin, shoot it up Pat Buchanan's butt so he can have sex with Ann Coulter and churn out little white "perfections".
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The fact that a scientist may or may not be an anti-semite have nothing to do with the validity of claims he makes on non-Jewish issues.
If I was walking past a construction site and an anti-semite yelled "Lookout! Falling brick!", I'd still listen.
Yes it does. The fact that a white eugenicist who hates Jews more than likely hates blacks and everyone else who doesn't look like a Aryan phenotype.
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Actually, I don't believe it has either. Scientists, be it, from all political "wings", various faiths and various ethnicities have come to similar conclusions drawn from an aray of scientific and cultural information to justify their conclusions.
When Wikipedia, for example, which is not pro-Jewish, pro-Israel and is of the Left states similar to these other scientists, as per position stated above, I feel it has some merit....imo
I believe this same individual, as too Rushton and other scientists (perhaps racial bigots and anti-semites) still openly display the paramount findings/position of Ashkenaz Jews re: Asians and other groups..
After looking on the Wikipedia main page for IQ, I see they have editted or dropped the section on Jews, but they seem to have made an entire new page for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence
I think it comes down to the fact that Blacks generally have a lower IQ than whites but with strict adherance to the learning and cultural environments of a superior culture; Western Judeo-Christian, it is very possible to increase IQ, but, as Rushton states, if a gifted Black returns and lives within an inferior cultural environment; Black Africa, the IQ will decrease as well. Seems logical. I feel that a base is probably a genetic link which the thread above suggests however one can alway increase or decrease this number with additional external factors; culture, education etc....imo
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I want to know who and where are blacks these racialists are testing? My IQ is quite high, but no one has ever asked me to participate in any of these studies.
Some one did a study a few years back when this guy, J. L. King wrote a book about the dirty down low. It was through "scientific research" that said 3 out of 4 black men participate in gay sex. It was later revealed that the people who were polled were all patrons of one of these Sunday night underground gay bars where gay black men frequent. Do you think these StørmFrønt Aryan types who hate blacks care if it's really true or not?
You can take the results from any sort of research to validate a theory, if your main objective is to validate a theory.
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Black women have both "narrow hips" and "wide buttocks" so they won't die from thirst while giving birth to small brained babies out in the desert! :::D
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I want to know who and where are blacks these racialists are testing? My IQ is quite high, but no one has ever asked me to participate in any of these studies.
Some one did a study a few years back when this guy, J. L. King wrote a book about the dirty down low. It was through "scientific research" that said 3 out of 4 black men participate in gay sex. It was later revealed that the people who were polled were all patrons of one of these Sunday night underground gay bars where gay black men frequent. Do you think these StørmFrønt Aryan types who hate blacks care if it's really true or not?
You can take the results from any sort of research to validate a theory, if your main objective is to validate a theory.
You bring up some good points and glad to hear that you have a high IQ. That is fabulous. The fact of the matter is that if these same people doing the studies are StørmFrønt anti-semites and racial bigots why then would they continue this promulgation of Ashkenazim having higher IQ's as a subsect of white society?
Ah....nevermind.. I'll just agree to disagree brother...
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This is correct, but I wouldn't congratulate myself so fast. This wasn't always the case. In 1936, Nazi ideology maintained that aryan "race" was not only intellectually superior but athletically superior as well. Although history of the last 70 years or so has forced them to let go of some of these notions, it still hasn't diminished the intentions of these racialist scientists who still make the claim that their research is unbiased.
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Lab suspends DNA pioneer Watson
His comments led event organisers to cancel his appearances
The Nobel Prize-winning DNA pioneer James Watson has been suspended by his research institution in the US.
Dr Watson has drawn severe criticism over remarks he made in a British newspaper at the weekend.
In the interview, he was quoted as saying Africans were less intelligent than Europeans.
The Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory had already distanced itself from the scientist's comments but its trustee board has also now suspended him.
A statement from the Long Island, New York, institution said the action was being taken "pending further deliberation by the board".
Unreserved apology
Dr Watson was due to give a lecture at the Science Museum in London on Friday as part of a book tour. But the museum cancelled the event, saying the scientist had gone beyond the point of acceptable debate.
The Bristol Festival of Ideas has also cancelled an appearance by Dr Watson.
And further critical comment of Dr Watson's views has come from Dr Craig Venter, the scientist/businessman who led the private effort to decode the human genome, and who, by coincidence, is also visiting the UK to promote a book.
"Skin colour as a surrogate for race is a social concept not a scientific one," Dr Venter said. "There is no basis in scientific fact or in the human genetic code for the notion that skin colour will be predictive of intelligence."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7052416.stm
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As a leading New York City Negrologist I find that Dr. Wastson's conclusion is completely accurate. I have studied the african biological mistake in a variety of settings and I have come to the conclusion that they are a biological dead end. When kongo says he has a high IQ he is fooling himself. The african has cunning, much like other beasts of the jungle. They think that 'getting over' is smart. When a negro becomes the manager of McDonalds he is considered to be a success by his family and peers. He thinks that, by getting to take home the last run of big macs to disperse to the negroes in his family and the hood, he has made it. To a negro youth, when he or she is given a big mac or a quarter pounder, they think that the person who gives this to them for free is a big deal. The negro cannot think in a logical manner. The negro is driven by the basic animal instincts of procreation of the species and violence. They cannot think beyond the quest to 'get over'. To negro, to scam an extra welfare check is a sign of a gigantic intellect. These are poor creatures that evoluntion has left behind, they will never fully evole, they are lost in a cess pool gene pool. The whites who support these poor creatures are addicted to a drug called 'white guilt'. White guilt is the strongest drug in the world. Once a white has indulged in this drug he is doomed untill he is mugged by a darkie or worse. It seems that the only cure for the white guilt addicted is a good mugging, a violent rape or some other encounter with the sub human. White guilt is behind a lot of white trash whores such as madonna and angelina obessiions for purchasing little negroes. They think by buying a negro they will ease the inner conflict they have when they are confronted in real life with having to deal with negroes. When they go to the store and are waited on by a negro that can't make change or is rude and perhaps violent, these liberal whores see that something is not right with the brain, if any, of the negro. They are torn apart by the reality of life and the rosey colored world that they want to see. They know the black is stupid, dumb and uneducatable and it leads to a pure unadulted case of white guilt. This 'white guilt' makes these liberal do nutty things, like putting on some stupid tee shirt with an even dumber saying on it, and go to the 'hood' to clean up the quaint little sayings that these king kong poets spray on walls. It is quite evident that the negro has a very limited intelligent level. It is about the same intelligence of a chimp that is mature. One must be careful as not to confuse intellect with pure animal instinct. That is where the confusion comes inl.
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Your post sounds like the type of stuff that's on the [censored site].com website. I hope you're just being rhetorical about blacks having the same intelligence as chimpanzees. Blacks are human beings too, and there are SOME smart blacks, but even the typical heart-of-Africa black is more intelligent than a chimpanzee. You don't need to call them sub-human and dehumanize them to admit that blacks have lower IQs than most other people on the planet.
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Kan like Erika you have a problem...Get help! :(
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The blacks are a little smarter than chimps but they are way less intellegent than whites. The social interactions of blacks do follow the way of baboons. If you read the books on baboon behavior you will see the same type of social interaction. The way the leader of the baboons has his way with any of the females, the way he rules the group, much like the way a gangleader rules the gang. It is the same type of behavior.
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No,you are all wrong IM a self hater and I believe blacks created all things good.If we were half as good as blacks I would eat your hat.They raised us freaks Of nature up and taught us all we know!
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No,you are all wrong IM a self hater and I believe blacks created all things good.If we were half as good as blacks I would eat your hat.They raised us freaks Of nature up and taught us all we know!
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You are kidding... I thought that you were speaking truth? Isn't that what all the Black leaders profess? I do hope one day that someone might gather all of the Black/African History articles that JTF had on the homepage and puts a nice cover and makes it into a downloadable pdf file downloadable from the JTF site. Can someone take up this task?
Oh, Kan I think you, and all others on this site, will enjoy not only the political books, books on Islam but most especially "The Rainbow Swastika" by Hannah Newman... http://www.somebodyhelpme.info/ebooks/ebooks.html you will see the history, logic and "religious" pressures of Nazism to debase the Jew for "Arayanism"...
AUDIO: Savage talks about James Watson's DNA Comment with black caller:
http://somebodyhelpme.info/Michael_Savage/savage_101807-James_Watson_DNA_Controversy.mp3
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I want to know who and where are blacks these racialists are testing? My IQ is quite high, but no one has ever asked me to participate in any of these studies.
You're missing the point, Kananga.
The studies don't say NO black can be intelligent. Indeed there are some blacks with 125 IQs. It's just that they have a far lower proportion of people at this level compared to other races. Ze'ev has the bellcurves that show the differences between blacks, asians, anglo-saxons and ashkenazi Jews. They show the IQ levels of the bulk of each race's population. Unfortunately, the mean IQ of blacks is far lower aswell as the proportion of them with IQs over 100.
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I'm not missing the point Newman.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmWBjMvOplQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmWBjMvOplQ)
VRT, Belgian TV
some of it is in English....
I hate the MEDIA...WATCH IT !!!!!!!!
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Good L-rd, why is it a problem to speak something that may very well contain a bit of truth today? Has anyone looked at Africa or any inner city lately? Good G-d man! Enough rationalizing bad, or "negative" into good; "positive". Enough "Affirmative Action" and all this other rubbish..... Some of the best musicians (prior to Rap/Hip-hop) were black, perhaps there is a gene for that as well? I'll not argue... But G-d, Australia "progressed" from a prison colony over a few hundred years, Israel in a few decades and Africa barely "evolved" in the last 10 million years even with billions of yearly dole, continual "Humanitarian" efforts and masses of Charity. Hell the Jesuits went into africa in the 1500-1600's and accomplished next to nothing. The Brits and the rest of the European "Imperialists" went into Africa and forcefully stopped cannibalism, debauchery, sexual deprevity, mass tribal murders/wars etc....The only changes that have occured since the evil white "Imperialists" have left the blacks to "self determination" is the reversion back to the cannibal, wars, murders, rapes...and every un-G-dly aspect of animalistic society.... Come on... enough of this rationalization.... perhaps there is something.... ???