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In the Torah law for Gentiles, there are four levels of intention for causing a person's death. There is a fundamental difference between a person's liability to punishment in a court of law, and his power to cleanse his soul from liability in the eyes of God. God certainly accepts sincere repentance regardless of the murderer's intention.

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There is a difference between repentance (tshuva in Hebrew) and atonement (kipur). An intentional murderer cannot escape his punishment by saying he's sorry. There are many examples of this in both the Torah and the Tanach. For example, after the sin of the spies who did not want to enter the land of Israel, the Jews repented but G-d refused to cancel their punishment - they were forced to die in the desert and could not enter the land. Even Moses and Aaron were not allowed to enter the land when their punishment was not forgiven despite sincere repentance. In the Bible, in the book of Kings, the Jews of Judah repented after the sins of King Menasheh, but G-d refused to cancel their punishment of exile and destruction of the First Temple because Menasheh spilled a lot of innocent blood. There are numerous other examples. Repentance is not atonement.
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  These brave and noble Halutzim, the
  ‘backbone’ of Israel and the Jewish
   people are the only hope for preser-
   ving the Holy Land and Be’ezrat HaShem
   it should only be that a billionaire with
   a righteous soul that truly understands
   this and feels the urgency will emerge
   and offer generous support financial
   as well as moral support for these heroes!
   Meanwhile, everyone should do everything
   they can to continue to generously support
   THE most righteous cause particularly of
   this generation and surely any other!
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Hrvatski, there are different categories of murder in the Torah. While the Torah calls all of these categories "retzach" (murder), the punishment is drastically different. Just as there are different categories of murder in modern Western law - first degree murder, second degree murder and so on. Intentional murder is bemezid in Torah Judaism and there is no escape from the punishment of the death penalty. Accidental or unintentional murder is beshogeg, such as careless driving or allowing someone to work in dangerous conditions. Only unintentional murderers can escape to designated cities of refuge (arei miklat) to escape revenge killing from the victim's relatives.

In the Torah law for Gentiles, there are four levels of intention for causing a person's death. There is a fundamental difference between a person's liability to punishment in a court of law, and his power to cleanse his soul from liability in the eyes of God. God certainly accepts sincere repentance regardless of the murderer's intention. 
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What is this? A Jew and a righteous Gentile insulting each other on a public forum - that is certainly forbidden!

Dovid, Hrvatski is very much a righteous Gentile who supports Israel and the Jewish people and who also tells the truth to non-Jews about the need to follow the seven mitzvot of bnei Noach. Even if you disagree with something he writes, you should be praising him for doing what Hashem wants. I am surprised that you allow a disagreement to descend into public insults.

Hrvatski, there are different categories of murder in the Torah. While the Torah calls all of these categories "retzach" (murder), the punishment is drastically different. Just as there are different categories of murder in modern Western law - first degree murder, second degree murder and so on. Intentional murder is bemezid in Torah Judaism and there is no escape from the punishment of the death penalty. Accidental or unintentional murder is beshogeg, such as careless driving or allowing someone to work in dangerous conditions. Only unintentional murderers can escape to designated cities of refuge (arei miklat) to escape revenge killing from the victim's relatives.

Gentiles are NOT required to convert. They are required to follow the seven mitzvot of bnei Noach. In this very evil generation, when someone like Hrvatski decides to become ben Noach and even devotes himself to spreading this important message to others, he should be praised and he will certainly be greatly rewarded by Hashem. The fact that he remains a loyal ben Noach despite occasionally being unfairly attacked makes him even more worthy of praise and reward. Hashem (G-d) loves bnei Noach and their reward will be eternal life in the next world.
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I hate the kind of Gentile who becomes a complete jerk after becoming a Noahide or converting.  I think he would be better off as a person not having done either of those things.  And yes, I have met many Gentiles like that.  Of course this is going to be the case when we now have our Land.  Where were you during the holocaust?

Where was I during the Holocaust? I was born in 1989, you idiot.

On this forum, you called me a Nazi rat, an uncircumcised Croatian rabbi and a complete jerk. What triggers this demonic hatred? My quotes of Rabbi Weiner and Dr. Schulman.

You are demonic. Seek help.
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The purpose is to ask forgiveness from the person's soul, as Rabbi Weiner quotes and explains.
The son-in-law of Don Astruc Des Gabai, student of Rabbenu Meshulam, disagrees with Rabbi Weiner then.  You cannot ask forgiveness from a person's soul.  The purpose of the quorum and attendance at the person's grave is to compel the sinner to realize his own mortality.  And this is the reason that Geonim generally discourage visiting cemeteries -- because it is damaging to what Aristotle called the "compartments" of the soul (the five compartments are appetitive, nutritive, imaginative, sensitive, and rational).  You're expected to understand some basic philosophy in Judaism and not blindly quote from a book for Gentiles -- and especially not at those with far more knowledge of the faith than you!
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I am happy being a Gentile. I do not have to read Hebrew and I do not want to be a Jewish slave with 613 commandments who cannot eat a cheeseburger. It is honorable to be a slave to God, but it is not for me.
I want to have sex all day but also be able to perceive the Shechinah...  Your desire alone does not render the impossible possible.  The two are mutually exclusive.  In fact, the Student writes that one who is engaged in relations too often has his eyes plastered over so that he is "unable to perceive the Shechinah".

You seem to be happily entrenched with the teachings of Rabbi Weiner and Rabbi Schulman, may G-D grant them a long life.  Adept knowledge of halacha does not preclude one from the obligation of acquiring knowledge of G-D.  You seem to suggest that this is the case.  Enjoy your cheeseburgers.

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Most Jews respect righteous Gentiles, but you are one of the few with a demonic hatred for Gentiles who left the idolatry of their ancestors.
I hate the kind of Gentile who becomes a complete jerk after becoming a Noahide or converting.  I think he would be better off as a person not having done either of those things.  And yes, I have met many Gentiles like that.  Of course this is going to be the case when we now have our Land.  Where were you during the holocaust?
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Here is the relevant paragraph in Rambam:

הַחוֹטֵא לַחֲבֵרוֹ וּמֵת חֲבֵרוֹ קֹדֶם שֶׁיְּבַקֵּשׁ מְחִילָה מֵבִיא עֲשָׂרָה בְּנֵי אָדָם וּמַעֲמִידָן עַל קִבְרוֹ וְיֹאמַר בִּפְנֵיהֶם חָטָאתִי לַה' אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל וְלִפְלוֹנִי זֶה שֶׁכָּךְ וְכָךְ עָשִׂיתִי לוֹ. וְאִם הָיָה חַיָּב לוֹ מָמוֹן יַחֲזִירוֹ לַיּוֹרְשִׁים. לֹא הָיָה יוֹדֵעַ לוֹ יוֹרְשִׁין יַנִּיחֶנּוּ בְּבֵית דִּין וְיִתְוַדֶּה:

You completely misunderstand the purpose of what the Rambam is prescribing.  G-D forbid the Rambam thought that the person is communicating with the dead person at his grave!

This is where your centuries of Christian brainwashing lets you down and you are unable to disassociate bad and mistaken beliefs from the truth.  That... and your coarse intellect.You leave out the part where Judaism reports that G-D offered the Torah to your ancestors and they rejected it.  We accepted it.  Tough noogies, those are the breaks -- as Don Rickles used to say.

The purpose is to ask forgiveness from the person's soul, as Rabbi Weiner quotes and explains.

I am happy being a Gentile. I do not have to read Hebrew and I do not want to be a Jewish slave with 613 commandments who cannot eat a cheeseburger. It is honorable to be a slave to God, but it is not for me.

Most Jews respect righteous Gentiles, but you are one of the few with a demonic hatred for Gentiles who left the idolatry of their ancestors.

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Rambam, Laws of Repentance chapter 2, writes that if the person who one offended passes away, one should go to the deceased person's grave and ask forgiveness. Is Rambam an uncircumcised Croatian?
Here is the relevant paragraph in Rambam:

הַחוֹטֵא לַחֲבֵרוֹ וּמֵת חֲבֵרוֹ קֹדֶם שֶׁיְּבַקֵּשׁ מְחִילָה מֵבִיא עֲשָׂרָה בְּנֵי אָדָם וּמַעֲמִידָן עַל קִבְרוֹ וְיֹאמַר בִּפְנֵיהֶם חָטָאתִי לַה' אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל וְלִפְלוֹנִי זֶה שֶׁכָּךְ וְכָךְ עָשִׂיתִי לוֹ. וְאִם הָיָה חַיָּב לוֹ מָמוֹן יַחֲזִירוֹ לַיּוֹרְשִׁים. לֹא הָיָה יוֹדֵעַ לוֹ יוֹרְשִׁין יַנִּיחֶנּוּ בְּבֵית דִּין וְיִתְוַדֶּה:

You completely misunderstand the purpose of what the Rambam is prescribing.  G-D forbid the Rambam thought that the person is communicating with the dead person at his grave!

This is where your centuries of Christian brainwashing lets you down and you are unable to disassociate bad and mistaken beliefs from the truth.  That... and your coarse intellect.
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Your ancestors have the merit of becoming literate before mine. Great. Did you hear the part in the video where Chaim opposes Hebrew in America because the national language is English? My national language is Croatian.
You leave out the part where Judaism reports that G-D offered the Torah to your ancestors and they rejected it.  We accepted it.  Tough noogies, those are the breaks -- as Don Rickles used to say.
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I have it from the Yeshivah of Rabbeinu Meshulam of Lunel from the 14th century that there is no communication between heaven and the sub-lunar realm -- that means to say, the dead cannot contact the living -- and vice versa.

But of course -- you have the great works of the Geonim Rabbi Weiner and Rabbi Schulman from the 21st century that trumps all ancient Jewish wisdom, so I defer to you, an uncircumcised Croatian for my Torah knowledge.

In a cave in the Sinai desert, Moses inscribed some 3800 years ago the Hebrew words "זאת ממשה".  This took place as the proto-Croatians were batting their mates on the head, and dragging them back to the cave to produce their next generation of offspring.  If I ever feel the need to bat a woman on the head for that purpose (G-D forbid!), I will ask you to teach me the language of your ancestors for that purpose.

Rambam, Laws of Repentance chapter 2, writes that if the person who one offended passes away, one should go to the deceased person's grave and ask forgiveness. Is Rambam an uncircumcised Croatian?

Your ancestors have the merit of becoming literate before mine. Great. Did you hear the part in the video where Chaim opposes Hebrew in America because the national language is English? My national language is Croatian.
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