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Question about G-ds intention........
« on: December 06, 2007, 11:56:47 PM »
What was G-ds intention when creating all the different races in this world?

Why didn't he just make one race, one colour?

And why didn't he do that all through nature? But he made birds, but all different colours and shapes, and they stay solely to their kind.

Unless humans breed them and change the natural order of things.

If G-d set the natural order of staying to our own, why does man change it, against G-ds intentions?

Is it right to go against our creator?

Why did he create Jews and gentiles? Why didn't he just create one people?

Why must we be one colourless mass?







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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 11:59:57 PM »
What was G-ds intention when creating all the different races in this world?

Why didn't he just make one race, one colour?

And why didn't he do that all through nature? But he made birds, but all different colours and shapes, and they stay solely to their kind.

Unless humans breed them and change the natural order of things.

If G-d set the natural order of staying to our own, why does man change it, against G-ds intentions?

Is it right to go against our creator?

Why did he create Jews and gentiles? Why didn't he just create one people?

Why must we be one colourless mass?







Excellent question, Infidel.

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 12:11:57 AM »

Excellent question, Infidel.

Thank you kind sir  8;)




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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2007, 12:15:52 AM »
the issue of language was created with the tower of babel, perhaps race evolved from that....
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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2007, 12:19:14 AM »
BTW,

For all those who believe in the "big, melting (slop) pot":

For dinner tomorrow, take your salad& dressing, meat, vegetables, icecream, cheese, crackers, coffee and wine; put them in a food processor, blend for 2 minutes, then eat the resulting slop. And do that with every meal from now on otherwise you're hypocrits.

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 12:57:12 AM »
Great question, Infidel O0

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2007, 01:12:52 AM »
the issue of language was created with the tower of babel, perhaps race evolved from that....
Well humans were dispersed throughout the Earth after that incedent - and until then (or around that time), the whole human race was supposed to receive the Torah.  But as Avraham was the only righteous one in his generation, it was changed to only his descendants (which later became Yitzchak's descendants, which later became Yaakov's descendants).

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2007, 01:18:16 AM »
the issue of language was created with the tower of babel, perhaps race evolved from that....
Well humans were dispersed throughout the Earth after that incedent - and until then (or around that time), the whole human race was supposed to receive the Torah.  But as Avraham was the only righteous one in his generation, it was changed to only his descendants (which later became Yitzchak's descendants, which later became Yaakov's descendants).
That still doesn't answer the question. G-D could have just made 2 nations...................1 Jews ans 2 a homogenous gentile nation. But he didn't. He made 70 different nations. Why?

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 01:29:34 AM »
Great question, Infidel O0

Thank you, it is something I have always thought about. I was a funny kid  :::D

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 01:31:10 AM »
Great question, Infidel O0

Thank you, it is something I have always thought about. I was a funny kid  :::D
You'd have been almost as big a pain in the bum as I was as a kid! :D

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 01:42:25 AM »
Great question, Infidel O0

Thank you, it is something I have always thought about. I was a funny kid  :::D
You'd have been almost as big a pain in the bum as I was as a kid! :D

Could of been  :::D

Deep down the the back of our family tree we have an Arch Biship, my cuz Larry  :)

We would spend many a day, were I would drive him nuts with questions about God.

He always answered me and never once pass the buck about just have faith.

I wonder where he is now  :-\

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2007, 01:53:52 AM »
BTW,

For all those who believe in the "big, melting (slop) pot":

For dinner tomorrow, take your salad& dressing, meat, vegetables, icecream, cheese, crackers, coffee and wine; put them in a food processor, blend for 2 minutes, then eat the resulting slop. And do that with every meal from now on otherwise you're hypocrits.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2007, 03:33:29 PM »
the issue of language was created with the tower of babel, perhaps race evolved from that....
Well humans were dispersed throughout the Earth after that incedent - and until then (or around that time), the whole human race was supposed to receive the Torah.  But as Avraham was the only righteous one in his generation, it was changed to only his descendants (which later became Yitzchak's descendants, which later became Yaakov's descendants).
That still doesn't answer the question. G-D could have just made 2 nations...................1 Jews ans 2 a homogenous gentile nation. But he didn't. He made 70 different nations. Why?
Because the whole point was to scatter people all over the place.  What good would that do if there were only two nations?

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2007, 07:28:07 PM »
(not certain) but maybe 70 nations = to the 70 Jews who went down to Egypt.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2007, 07:52:06 PM »
the issue of language was created with the tower of babel, perhaps race evolved from that....
Well humans were dispersed throughout the Earth after that incedent - and until then (or around that time), the whole human race was supposed to receive the Torah.  But as Avraham was the only righteous one in his generation, it was changed to only his descendants (which later became Yitzchak's descendants, which later became Yaakov's descendants).
That still doesn't answer the question. G-D could have just made 2 nations...................1 Jews ans 2 a homogenous gentile nation. But he didn't. He made 70 different nations. Why?
Because the whole point was to scatter people all over the place.  What good would that do if there were only two nations?
Exactly.

That's why we should avoid genetically mixing as much as possible. Who wants one big slop nation?

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2007, 10:46:01 PM »

Because the whole point was to scatter people all over the place.  What good would that do if there were only two nations?

God could of put the same type of person all over the Earth but he didn't.

Why are we lead to believe that mixing our genes to create one race is acceptable?

God doesn't think it was, thats why is separated people.

So why do people go against Gods wishes and cross breed, and mix our races?

I thought apart of the faith in God is to honour his ways and laws.  ???






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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2007, 10:54:53 PM »

Because the whole point was to scatter people all over the place.  What good would that do if there were only two nations?
G-d could of put the same type of person all over the Earth but he didn't.

Why are we lead to believe that mixing our genes to create one race is acceptable?

G-d doesn't think it was, thats why is separated people.

So why do people go against Gods wishes and cross breed, and mix our races?
I thought apart of the faith in G-d is to honour his ways and laws.  ???
Here's all I care about:

Jews can only marry Jews.  Goyim can't.  As to everything else Gentiles do, if it has no effect on the Jewish people, I could most often care less...

One does not deal with terrorists; one does not bargain with terrorists; one kills terrorists.
- Rabbi Meir Kahane ZT"L, HY"D

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2007, 10:59:32 PM »

Because the whole point was to scatter people all over the place.  What good would that do if there were only two nations?
G-d could of put the same type of person all over the Earth but he didn't.

Why are we lead to believe that mixing our genes to create one race is acceptable?

G-d doesn't think it was, thats why is separated people.

So why do people go against Gods wishes and cross breed, and mix our races?
I thought apart of the faith in G-d is to honour his ways and laws.  ???
Here's all I care about:

Jews can only marry Jews.  Goyim can't.  As to everything else Gentiles do, if it has no effect on the Jewish people, I could most often care less...

Nicely said  but doesn't answer the question now does it.


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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2007, 11:05:22 PM »

Because the whole point was to scatter people all over the place.  What good would that do if there were only two nations?
G-d could of put the same type of person all over the Earth but he didn't.

Why are we lead to believe that mixing our genes to create one race is acceptable?

G-d doesn't think it was, thats why is separated people.

So why do people go against Gods wishes and cross breed, and mix our races?
I thought apart of the faith in G-d is to honour his ways and laws.  ???
Here's all I care about:

Jews can only marry Jews.  Goyim can't.  As to everything else Gentiles do, if it has no effect on the Jewish people, I could most often care less...
Nicely said  but doesn't answer the question now does it.
As any steriotypical Jew like myself will tell you, what can you do?  I mean, what do you want me to tell you?  You ask a question without an answer.

One does not deal with terrorists; one does not bargain with terrorists; one kills terrorists.
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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2007, 11:27:53 PM »

Because the whole point was to scatter people all over the place.  What good would that do if there were only two nations?
G-d could of put the same type of person all over the Earth but he didn't.

Why are we lead to believe that mixing our genes to create one race is acceptable?

G-d doesn't think it was, thats why is separated people.

So why do people go against Gods wishes and cross breed, and mix our races?
I thought apart of the faith in G-d is to honour his ways and laws.  ???
Here's all I care about:

Jews can only marry Jews.  Goyim can't.  As to everything else Gentiles do, if it has no effect on the Jewish people, I could most often care less...
Nicely said  but doesn't answer the question now does it.
As any steriotypical Jew like myself will tell you, what can you do?  I mean, what do you want me to tell you?  You ask a question without an answer.

It has an answer, God himself tells you that. He made people of different races, because he wanted people to stay different races.

What I want to know why to people go against him.

When people follow gods will, they are classed as racists and evil.

This I can never understand.

Every question has an answer, just most never want to hear it.

God made your lives simple, why do people wish to make it complex? Answer to justify them going against God himself.

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2007, 11:33:18 PM »

Because the whole point was to scatter people all over the place.  What good would that do if there were only two nations?
G-d could of put the same type of person all over the Earth but he didn't.

Why are we lead to believe that mixing our genes to create one race is acceptable?

G-d doesn't think it was, thats why is separated people.

So why do people go against Gods wishes and cross breed, and mix our races?
I thought apart of the faith in G-d is to honour his ways and laws.  ???
Here's all I care about:

Jews can only marry Jews.  Goyim can't.  As to everything else Gentiles do, if it has no effect on the Jewish people, I could most often care less...
Nicely said  but doesn't answer the question now does it.
As any steriotypical Jew like myself will tell you, what can you do?  I mean, what do you want me to tell you?  You ask a question without an answer.

It has an answer, G-d himself tells you that. He made people of different races, because he wanted people to stay different races.

What I want to know why to people go against him.

When people follow gods will, they are classed as racists and evil.

This I can never understand.

Every question has an answer, just most never want to hear it.

G-d made your lives simple, why do people wish to make it complex? Answer to justify them going against G-d himself.
I'm not justifying anything anyone does.  But you're asking why people do certain things the way they do (be they evil or not).  How do I know?  How does anyone know?

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2007, 11:38:56 PM »
Infidel : I like you for defending an anti-race mixing point of view.
Today race-mix propaganda is almost as nazi-propaganda in the turd reich.
I bless you and your children to come.

OdKahaneChai : We are not Jews, and don't want al Goyim to become one race.

so my question to you :  
concerning the non-Jews of the earth,

1 does Thora promotes societies that are racially 'diverse'?
2 does Thora promotes the different races/nations to become one race/nation?
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2007, 11:42:23 PM »

Because the whole point was to scatter people all over the place.  What good would that do if there were only two nations?
G-d could of put the same type of person all over the Earth but he didn't.

Why are we lead to believe that mixing our genes to create one race is acceptable?

G-d doesn't think it was, thats why is separated people.

So why do people go against Gods wishes and cross breed, and mix our races?
I thought apart of the faith in G-d is to honour his ways and laws.  ???
Here's all I care about:

Jews can only marry Jews.  Goyim can't.  As to everything else Gentiles do, if it has no effect on the Jewish people, I could most often care less...
Nicely said  but doesn't answer the question now does it.
As any steriotypical Jew like myself will tell you, what can you do?  I mean, what do you want me to tell you?  You ask a question without an answer.

It has an answer, G-d himself tells you that. He made people of different races, because he wanted people to stay different races.

What I want to know why to people go against him.

When people follow gods will, they are classed as racists and evil.

This I can never understand.

Every question has an answer, just most never want to hear it.

G-d made your lives simple, why do people wish to make it complex? Answer to justify them going against G-d himself.
I'm not justifying anything anyone does.  But you're asking why people do certain things the way they do (be they evil or not).  How do I know?  How does anyone know?

We know, that today our society is going downhill,
my miece has a friend that is married to a black , protestant , handicapped man from Togo,

She is a daughter of an ambassador.

Her mother did not approve the marriage.

It is madness , insane madness.

BTW The girl is a twin, I hope her sister doesn't commit the same sin.

For me this is a sin.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2007, 11:43:42 PM »
Infidel : I like you for defending an anti-race mixing point of view.
Today race-mix propaganda is almost as nazi-propaganda in the turd reich.
I bless you and your children to come.

OdKahaneChai : We are not Jews, and don't want al Goyim to become one race.

so my question to you : 
concerning the non-Jews of the earth,

1 does Thora promotes societies that are racially 'diverse'?
2 does Thora promotes the different races/nations to become one race/nation?
The Torah does not say anything about either of those things, becuase it only (save Seven laws) concerns itself with the Jewish people.  If you want my opinion on it, I think people should stick to their own people, because that hopefully will make it more likely that Jews will stick to their own people.

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Re: Question about G-ds intention........
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2007, 11:48:08 PM »

I'm not justifying anything anyone does.  But you're asking why people do certain things the way they do (be they evil or not).  How do I know?  How does anyone know?

There are good questions, so what to we do?

Look to God. Is he not our guide in life? our protector? our creator?

But my first question still remains unanswered, by the people how attack my faith and following in God.

Why don't they comment and answer? because they are wrong? Because they have no answer?

Or maybe because fear it in some ways?

Who knows, only them.

I only ask for your answer, no one elses. These others can answer for themselves.

And you have given yours, I  thank you.