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« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2008, 06:59:04 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

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« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2008, 07:36:49 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 

If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2008, 07:40:49 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

I think its the stopping of parents smacking their kids, the child grows up to do what ever it likes.

That creates the lack of morals

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« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2008, 08:53:04 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2008, 12:20:21 PM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2008, 10:24:29 PM »
Whoa hold up this is not what that was about.  :-\

Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.

And how to remain with in the laws when married.

Not about single people and sex and porno's.

This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.

Geezzz.  ::)

Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.

Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:

How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?




It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!

Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted? 

It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.

As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.

I agree with this 100%!! 

now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...

Dear Doctor, I think you simply don't what your are talking about. With all due respect, if you read the laws, you will understand that it is not the "next level" that you can forego, but a bare minimum for a strong and pure relationship.


Well to each their own..I don't want another person telling me what me and wife are allowed to do in the privacy of our home.

I thought you were not married...
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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2008, 11:16:24 PM »
Whoa hold up this is not what that was about.  :-\

Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.

And how to remain with in the laws when married.

Not about single people and sex and porno's.

This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.

Geezzz.  ::)

Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.

Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:

How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?




It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!

Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted? 

It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.

As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.

I agree with this 100%!! 

now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...

Dear Doctor, I think you simply don't what your are talking about. With all due respect, if you read the laws, you will understand that it is not the "next level" that you can forego, but a bare minimum for a strong and pure relationship.


Well to each their own..I don't want another person telling me what me and wife are allowed to do in the privacy of our home.

I thought you were not married...

I'm not...i'm just saying hypothetically speaking..
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2008, 11:58:27 PM »
Try it, you will have a chance understanding how this stuff works.
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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2008, 04:19:18 PM »
Try it, you will have a chance understanding how this stuff works.

try what
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2008, 10:26:49 PM »
Try getting married, Doc...
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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2008, 11:37:59 PM »
Try getting married, Doc...

working on it....
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2008, 03:03:01 AM »
I think it's a great idea for prospective brides and grooms to be taken to the side to attend pre-marriage seminars, and even "How To Talk About Sex with Your Spouse" classes. I think it could only help the marriage stay the course.

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« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2008, 03:13:19 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
The purpose of teaching sex ed in schools Newman, is to teach kids that if they're going to do it, they should practice it safely and not put their lives in danger. *Safely meaning abstainence or condom use*. I think that if I  hadn't learned about sex at an early age, I would have been a teen mom. Luckily that sex ed class I took in elementary school came along. It put the fear of God in me.

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« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2008, 03:25:38 AM »
skippy:  "...tenth year pfft wished that you married the TV in some cases..."

Skippy,
I have this theory that the happiest marriages would be those in which the husband and wife occupy separate bedrooms, and not be around each other constantly.
It seems to me that some of the happiest housewives I have known were those whose husbands were always away from home on business trips.
In your opinion, do you think this kind of arrangement might help keep the fires of passion burning and prevent marital "burnout"?

Oh yes, some of my happest moments was when I was deployed or my husband was. Thats how we lasted 10 years.

Marriage,  now the younger you are the more naive and tolerant of your partner. And sex if high on the agenda.

Age plays a very important role in relationships.

When you are older you see things very different.

Sharing the bed. Yes its nice the comfort and closeness that it provides, but what about the breathing in ones face or *shudder* breathing down your neck. Cute for a while then ...........no.

Or its a heat wave and you are sweating melting into a pile of whatever and you have another heated body sweating all over you too. Sexy I think not.

Or when Its womens time, you don't want to be near people, you are unclean, not a time for closeness.

Or work shift you don't want to be in a room with people you need rest and quiet.

Or if you have a cold or they have, dribbling coughing, snorting over you, yes very romantic NOT!

Or what about the farting, stretching and snoring, being a blanket hog, coming over yourside of the bed.

Personal space!!!!!

Foreign concept to some people.

Separate beds yes at times or big huge king size bed.

Not being connected to each others hip 24 hours a day is a good thing.

Theres a saying "how can I miss you if you don't go away".

Time apart does allow a more passionate reunion, but not to long of a break tho.

Business is fine, but they go on trips just to get away, not fine.

To be away from your spouse you need complete trust, and couples that can't ever do this I wonder why? maybe no trust is there.  ;)

When you are an adult you don't require 24 hour attention.








Kiwi isn't here anymore but I wanted to respond to this. I got married at 20 years old (my husband was 21). He was the first man I'd ever lived with so imagine how scared I was that I would muck everything up within the first 5 minutes of our marital relationship. lol When it came to the sleeping arrangements, I was aware that in a monogomous relationship (in some households) the man and wife slept in the same bed. At first I wasn't comfortable because I'd slept by myself for years...but as time went on (about 2 weeks) I learned to love it. I don't like NOT sleeping next to him and even when he's away, I sleep on my side of the bed because it's comforting for me to feel that he's next to me in spirit.

Now, I also had grandparents who slept in separate bedrooms for 30 years of their marriage, until my grandfather died. They had separate tv's, separate bedtime rituals, separate comfort zones, separate conversations (they rarely spoke to each other), and even separate dogs. I never questioned the way they spent time with each other (or not)...it wasn't my business. But I knew that I didn't want to grow separately from my husband in EVERY aspect. I like being around him, feeling him next to me, feeling him breathe...and when he snores, I just nudge him and he turns over to sleep more soundly.

What I'm trying to say is that being next to your spouse isn't a bad thing...but I also know that not all couples run their relationships the same way. I'll miss the heck out of him once he deploys for 7-9 months; I'll inject that "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" quote right there...until he comes home. :)

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2008, 03:31:41 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2008, 03:17:02 PM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.

Exactly, enough of the P.C. KKKommunist Sex Education SSchool books! >:(

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2008, 09:06:19 PM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2008, 02:26:08 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?

Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?

Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.

What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.

I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.

We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*

I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.

If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.

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« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2008, 09:16:46 PM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?

Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?

Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.

What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.

I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.

We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*

I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.

If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.

Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?

Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2008, 09:55:44 PM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?

Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?

Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.

What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.

I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.

We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*

I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.

If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.

Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?

Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.

maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...

It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology.  It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2008, 04:57:07 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?

Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?

Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.

What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.

I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.

We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*

I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.

If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.

Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?

Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.

maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...

It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology.  It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?

As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.

It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2008, 07:51:58 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?

Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?

Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.

What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.

I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.

We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*

I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.

If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.

Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?

Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.

maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...

It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology.  It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?

As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.

It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.

If the parents don't teach their children morality...well mercy be on you all.  That's not my call...but certainly whatever is done in those communities should not be imposed in our's since we teach our kids morality and join a religious institution.

I do advocate teaching children going through puberty or close to it to learn about biology and anatomy..and even love and the difference between lust and love and that sex really should wait for the right person when one is an adult and ready to take on the proper emotional responsibility.
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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2008, 06:12:00 PM »
Schools should teach BIOLOGY, not sex.

Sex education is the job of parents, not the state.

Having godless, evil, bolshevic, leftist teachers handle sex education is a green light to encourage promiscuity and sodomy.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2008, 07:33:08 PM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?

Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?

Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.

What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.

I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.

We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*

I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.

If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.

Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?

Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.

maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...

It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology.  It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?

As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.

It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.

Again, please fill me in on what sex ed has done for your community. If you can't do that, then please tell me how you as a woman who lives/lived there will manage to teach a bunch of buffoons to make their sex ed work.
I can only tell you what the LACK of sex ed has done for people in my community. That is, sex ed at HOME and at school. The LACK of sex ed at home and at school has brought forth the teen pregnancy rate you speak of. Children are left to their own devices or are left taking advice from OTHER teens who know nothing about anything so they pass the ignorance along. The parents are such prudes and are so afraid to even say the word sex around their kids that they'd just assume threaten them with death than talk about it outright.

I actually reaped the benefit of sex ed in school. My sister and I were told that we'd be just like the girls we knew who had kids at 13, 14, and 15 years old. Thankfully, I had sex ed in school and she had me to talk to. We both waited until we were ready to do anything and we both didn't have children until we were in our 20's. Those are just two examples of what GOOD SEX ED can actually do to further a community. But I'm sure there are more.

Without sex ed, we are only left with children who don't give a damn about their lives, the lives of others or anything else. They're just winging it.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2008, 07:58:17 PM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?

Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?

Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.

What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.

I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.

We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*

I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.

If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.

Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?

Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.

maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...

It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology.  It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?

As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.

It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.

Again, please fill me in on what sex ed has done for your community. If you can't do that, then please tell me how you as a woman who lives/lived there will manage to teach a bunch of buffoons to make their sex ed work.
I can only tell you what the LACK of sex ed has done for people in my community. That is, sex ed at HOME and at school. The LACK of sex ed at home and at school has brought forth the teen pregnancy rate you speak of. Children are left to their own devices or are left taking advice from OTHER teens who know nothing about anything so they pass the ignorance along. The parents are such prudes and are so afraid to even say the word sex around their kids that they'd just assume threaten them with death than talk about it outright.

I actually reaped the benefit of sex ed in school. My sister and I were told that we'd be just like the girls we knew who had kids at 13, 14, and 15 years old. Thankfully, I had sex ed in school and she had me to talk to. We both waited until we were ready to do anything and we both didn't have children until we were in our 20's. Those are just two examples of what GOOD SEX ED can actually do to further a community. But I'm sure there are more.

Without sex ed, we are only left with children who don't give a damn about their lives, the lives of others or anything else. They're just winging it.

You are not being clear enough. I construed from what you said that the biggest delay for your having children out of wedlock like all your friends did at an earlier age was looking at the crappy lives of others who made the mistake.
No, it was because I was taught about sex the right way by people who are qualified to give the information. They told me..and since my mom wasn't giving up the information freely, without poking and prodding, it was better than me learning from the mindless drones roaming our community who had no clue of what sex was. What I learned I tried to teach to my sister. What came of that was us knowing what safe sex and SAFER sex was before doing ANYTHING. (Safer sex being abstainence.)

If that class wasn't there for me, I assure you, some dummy with a little bit of information about how sex feels would have been there. That would have done me absolutely no good.