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newman

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2008, 08:14:47 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.

Just Erica

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2008, 08:19:32 PM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?

Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?

Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.

What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.

I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.

We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*

I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.

If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.

Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?

Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.

maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...

It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology.  It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?

As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.

It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.

Again, please fill me in on what sex ed has done for your community. If you can't do that, then please tell me how you as a woman who lives/lived there will manage to teach a bunch of buffoons to make their sex ed work.
I can only tell you what the LACK of sex ed has done for people in my community. That is, sex ed at HOME and at school. The LACK of sex ed at home and at school has brought forth the teen pregnancy rate you speak of. Children are left to their own devices or are left taking advice from OTHER teens who know nothing about anything so they pass the ignorance along. The parents are such prudes and are so afraid to even say the word sex around their kids that they'd just assume threaten them with death than talk about it outright.

I actually reaped the benefit of sex ed in school. My sister and I were told that we'd be just like the girls we knew who had kids at 13, 14, and 15 years old. Thankfully, I had sex ed in school and she had me to talk to. We both waited until we were ready to do anything and we both didn't have children until we were in our 20's. Those are just two examples of what GOOD SEX ED can actually do to further a community. But I'm sure there are more.

Without sex ed, we are only left with children who don't give a damn about their lives, the lives of others or anything else. They're just winging it.

You are not being clear enough. I construed from what you said that the biggest delay for your having children out of wedlock like all your friends did at an earlier age was looking at the crappy lives of others who made the mistake.
No, it was because I was taught about sex the right way by people who are qualified to give the information. They told me..and since my mom wasn't giving up the information freely, without poking and prodding, it was better than me learning from the mindless drones roaming our community who had no clue of what sex was. What I learned I tried to teach to my sister. What came of that was us knowing what safe sex and SAFER sex was before doing ANYTHING. (Safer sex being abstainence.)

If that class wasn't there for me, I assure you, some dummy with a little bit of information about how sex feels would have been there. That would have done me absolutely no good.

Did you have child out of wedlock?
NO. And you know it.

Just Erica

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2008, 10:02:15 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

newman

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2008, 10:06:28 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed' was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.

Just Erica

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #79 on: January 29, 2008, 10:12:10 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?


newman

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2008, 10:15:55 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



That's the point.

Sex ed is the parents' job, not the bolshevic school teachers'. The fact that sex ed has NOT stopped teenage sex proves it is useless.

Just Erica

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2008, 10:18:33 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



That's the point.

Sex ed is the parents' job, not the bolshevic school teachers'. The fact that sex ed has NOT stopped teenage sex proves it is useless.
Now you're talking in circles, newman. Since it's the parents' job, what do you say to children who's parents won't even say the 's' word around them? Just because their parents don't talk to them about sex, they shouldnt' listen to anyone who may just help them out? Should they wait until their parents 'come around' and are more comfortable to speak about it...when the child is now 25 years old with 12 kids?  What?

newman

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2008, 10:24:12 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



That's the point.

Sex ed is the parents' job, not the bolshevic school teachers'. The fact that sex ed has NOT stopped teenage sex proves it is useless.
Now you're talking in circles, newman. Since it's the parents' job, what do you say to children who's parents won't even say the 's' word around them? Just because their parents don't talk to them about sex, they shouldnt' listen to anyone who may just help them out? Should they wait until their parents 'come around' and are more comfortable to speak about it...when the child is now 25 years old with 12 kids?  What?

That's happening now with sex education. Why stomp on parental rights because of a few derelect parents in the ghetto?

Just Erica

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #83 on: February 01, 2008, 11:34:15 AM »
It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.

Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?

Not necessarily true. 



Are you kidding?

Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?

Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...

My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies.  I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.

What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.

Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?

Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?

Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?

Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.

What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.

I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.

We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*

I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.

If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.

Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?

Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.

maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...

It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology.  It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?

As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.

It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.

Again, please fill me in on what sex ed has done for your community. If you can't do that, then please tell me how you as a woman who lives/lived there will manage to teach a bunch of buffoons to make their sex ed work.
I can only tell you what the LACK of sex ed has done for people in my community. That is, sex ed at HOME and at school. The LACK of sex ed at home and at school has brought forth the teen pregnancy rate you speak of. Children are left to their own devices or are left taking advice from OTHER teens who know nothing about anything so they pass the ignorance along. The parents are such prudes and are so afraid to even say the word sex around their kids that they'd just assume threaten them with death than talk about it outright.

I actually reaped the benefit of sex ed in school. My sister and I were told that we'd be just like the girls we knew who had kids at 13, 14, and 15 years old. Thankfully, I had sex ed in school and she had me to talk to. We both waited until we were ready to do anything and we both didn't have children until we were in our 20's. Those are just two examples of what GOOD SEX ED can actually do to further a community. But I'm sure there are more.

Without sex ed, we are only left with children who don't give a damn about their lives, the lives of others or anything else. They're just winging it.

You are not being clear enough. I construed from what you said that the biggest delay for your having children out of wedlock like all your friends did at an earlier age was looking at the crappy lives of others who made the mistake.
No, it was because I was taught about sex the right way by people who are qualified to give the information. They told me..and since my mom wasn't giving up the information freely, without poking and prodding, it was better than me learning from the mindless drones roaming our community who had no clue of what sex was. What I learned I tried to teach to my sister. What came of that was us knowing what safe sex and SAFER sex was before doing ANYTHING. (Safer sex being abstainence.)

If that class wasn't there for me, I assure you, some dummy with a little bit of information about how sex feels would have been there. That would have done me absolutely no good.

Did you have child out of wedlock?
NO. And you know it.

Your post was not clear so that's why I was asking.

My question continues by asking how your public school system failed to reach out to your other peers? You are already a unique one amongst the people in your community because you speak intelligently and write maturely, so I'm not surprised that you concieved children within wedlock.

I'm by no means saying this is the case with all blacks, but does the typical ghettoized mother and father (if applicable) teach their children ANY values, besides the act of sex? What about respect for human life, property, manners, etc? The issue of not teaching kids about sex is part of a much more broad problem within your community, namely the lack of teaching ANY real values.
They didn't fail to reach out to my other peers. We were all taught sex ed at the same time ( my age group) and about 89% of us decided against having sex until we were mature enough to handle the  consequences. The other 11% learned nothing because once their parents found out that sex ed was being taught in our school,  they forbid their kids to take the class, then they did not follow through with the teaching. They closed up like clams and treated sex as if it was a bad word or a bad act. That made their children depend on sources outside of the home...unreliable sources, at that.

I believe that it's a parent's job to tell their children about sex and answer the tough questions that follow. But I also think that by saying that even when parents don't step up to the plate that qualified professionals in schools shouldn't give the information out. That's like telling the kids to go out, have sex irresponsibly and bear  lots of kids in the process. You really don't give the kids a choice when you take sex ed out of the homes AND out of schools. One situation has to balance out the other when one isn't available.

This isn't only a problem in the black community. This is a national problem. Its also an international problem. I have yet to meet a  parent who isn't afraid to draw pictures, explain in debth, and provide helpful information about sex to their children. I mean,with my own mom, it was really hard to get her to talkabout the birds and the bees with me. I threw her for a loop when I asked her what 'making love' was ,at 9 years old. She sat me down in her bedroom and preceded to  sweat,  wring her hands, go into minor descriptions about the beginning stages of sex..THEN she lost her nerve, turned on the television (where ironically "The Miracle of Childbirth" was  showing on PBS) and like a puff of smoke, she was gone.

When parents can deal with the fact that when they have sex, it isn't a dirty thing, then and only then they will be comfortable enough to talk to their kids without leaving their kids confused.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #84 on: February 01, 2008, 12:37:28 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #85 on: February 01, 2008, 12:43:05 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #86 on: February 01, 2008, 12:58:05 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old.  However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing.  And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how.  And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.

I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them.  Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs.  They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.

but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on. 
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #87 on: February 01, 2008, 01:01:38 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old.  However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing.  And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how.  And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.

I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them.  Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs.  They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.

but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on. 
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.
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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #88 on: February 01, 2008, 01:06:10 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old.  However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing.  And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how.  And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.

I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them.  Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs.  They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.

but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on. 
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.


i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex.  For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #89 on: February 01, 2008, 01:17:28 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old.  However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing.  And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how.  And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.

I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them.  Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs.  They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.

but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on. 
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.


i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex.  For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.

I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was  at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but  more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #90 on: February 01, 2008, 01:25:42 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old.  However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing.  And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how.  And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.

I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them.  Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs.  They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.

but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on. 
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.


i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex.  For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.

I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was  at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but  more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.

erica, I compeltely respect what you did.  At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex.  12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...

It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #91 on: February 01, 2008, 01:35:23 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old.  However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing.  And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how.  And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.

I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them.  Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs.  They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.

but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on. 
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.


i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex.  For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.

I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was  at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but  more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.

erica, I compeltely respect what you did.  At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex.  12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...

It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
Being candid isn't going to work here so excuse my frankness ladies and gentlemen. My 3 year old asked me once why her dad and I kissed each other. I told her it's because  we love each other. Since then, everytime she witnesses us kiss each other, she tells her sisters that we're loving each other...which is the God's honest truth. She has also asked about the names of her body parts...every one of them and I told her exactly what they are. THat way,if something hurts her she can tell me what it is that is hurting instead of being afraid to say the actual words. My oldest biological daughter walked in on us one night...we had a gaggle of questions to answer  the next morning...and we answered her. She needed to know. I think children are the best gauges when it comes when they want to know about sex and other subjects.

I'm not afraid of sexuality so I'm going to naturally be open with my daughters. More open than my own mother was .

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #92 on: February 01, 2008, 01:48:26 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old.  However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing.  And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how.  And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.

I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them.  Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs.  They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.

but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on. 
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.


i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex.  For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.

I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was  at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but  more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.

erica, I compeltely respect what you did.  At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex.  12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...

It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
Being candid isn't going to work here so excuse my frankness ladies and gentlemen. My 3 year old asked me once why her dad and I kissed each other. I told her it's because  we love each other. Since then, everytime she witnesses us kiss each other, she tells her sisters that we're loving each other...which is the G-d's honest truth. She has also asked about the names of her body parts...every one of them and I told her exactly what they are. THat way,if something hurts her she can tell me what it is that is hurting instead of being afraid to say the actual words. My oldest biological daughter walked in on us one night...we had a gaggle of questions to answer  the next morning...and we answered her. She needed to know. I think children are the best gauges when it comes when they want to know about sex and other subjects.

I'm not afraid of sexuality so I'm going to naturally be open with my daughters. More open than my own mother was .

As long as you can explain it to them in the proper perspective all the power to you. I can't tell you how to be a mother to your daughters especially if i don't have any of my own.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #93 on: February 01, 2008, 01:56:03 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old.  However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing.  And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how.  And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.

I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them.  Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs.  They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.

but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on. 
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.


i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex.  For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.

I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was  at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but  more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.

erica, I compeltely respect what you did.  At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex.  12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...

It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
Being candid isn't going to work here so excuse my frankness ladies and gentlemen. My 3 year old asked me once why her dad and I kissed each other. I told her it's because  we love each other. Since then, everytime she witnesses us kiss each other, she tells her sisters that we're loving each other...which is the G-d's honest truth. She has also asked about the names of her body parts...every one of them and I told her exactly what they are. THat way,if something hurts her she can tell me what it is that is hurting instead of being afraid to say the actual words. My oldest biological daughter walked in on us one night...we had a gaggle of questions to answer  the next morning...and we answered her. She needed to know. I think children are the best gauges when it comes when they want to know about sex and other subjects.

I'm not afraid of sexuality so I'm going to naturally be open with my daughters. More open than my own mother was .

As long as you can explain it to them in the proper perspective all the power to you. I can't tell you how to be a mother to your daughters especially if i don't have any of my own.
That's the whole idea of sex ed in schools (except the story I read here where some idiot went into a school and told kids to do drugs and have sex ...) Sex ed is as much about prevention of STD's as it is about abstinence. I think that if there are parents who find it strange that sex ed is taught in school,  that they should visit the shools during the classes so that they can get an idea on what 's actually being said there.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #94 on: February 01, 2008, 01:59:26 PM »
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.

Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?

I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.

I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman?  THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.

If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?



At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?

I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old.  However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing.  And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how.  And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.

I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them.  Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs.  They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.

but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on. 
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.


i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex.  For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.

I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was  at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but  more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.

erica, I compeltely respect what you did.  At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex.  12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...

It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
Being candid isn't going to work here so excuse my frankness ladies and gentlemen. My 3 year old asked me once why her dad and I kissed each other. I told her it's because  we love each other. Since then, everytime she witnesses us kiss each other, she tells her sisters that we're loving each other...which is the G-d's honest truth. She has also asked about the names of her body parts...every one of them and I told her exactly what they are. THat way,if something hurts her she can tell me what it is that is hurting instead of being afraid to say the actual words. My oldest biological daughter walked in on us one night...we had a gaggle of questions to answer  the next morning...and we answered her. She needed to know. I think children are the best gauges when it comes when they want to know about sex and other subjects.

I'm not afraid of sexuality so I'm going to naturally be open with my daughters. More open than my own mother was .

As long as you can explain it to them in the proper perspective all the power to you. I can't tell you how to be a mother to your daughters especially if i don't have any of my own.
That's the whole idea of sex ed in schools (except the story I read here where some idiot went into a school and told kids to do drugs and have sex ...) Sex ed is as much about prevention of STD's as it is about abstinence. I think that if there are parents who find it strange that sex ed is taught in school,  that they should visit the shools during the classes so that they can get an idea on what 's actually being said there.

Some sex ed is good

But in a lot of other places they teach about homosexuality sex and oral sex and other stuff. Like i said, Anatomy and biology shoudl be taught when teaching sex ed.

And the parents have a bigger duty teach the rest especially morality.
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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #95 on: February 03, 2008, 04:05:03 AM »
Your post was not clear so that's why I was asking.

My question continues by asking how your public school system failed to reach out to your other peers? You are already a unique one amongst the people in your community because you speak intelligently and write maturely, so I'm not surprised that you concieved children within wedlock.

I'm by no means saying this is the case with all blacks, but does the typical ghettoized mother and father (if applicable) teach their children ANY values, besides the act of sex? What about respect for human life, property, manners, etc? The issue of not teaching kids about sex is part of a much more broad problem within your community, namely the lack of teaching ANY real values.
They didn't fail to reach out to my other peers. We were all taught sex ed at the same time ( my age group) and about 89% of us decided against having sex until we were mature enough to handle the  consequences. The other 11% learned nothing because once their parents found out that sex ed was being taught in our school,  they forbid their kids to take the class, then they did not follow through with the teaching. They closed up like clams and treated sex as if it was a bad word or a bad act. That made their children depend on sources outside of the home...unreliable sources, at that.

I believe that it's a parent's job to tell their children about sex and answer the tough questions that follow. But I also think that by saying that even when parents don't step up to the plate that qualified professionals in schools shouldn't give the information out. That's like telling the kids to go out, have sex irresponsibly and bear  lots of kids in the process. You really don't give the kids a choice when you take sex ed out of the homes AND out of schools. One situation has to balance out the other when one isn't available.

This isn't only a problem in the black community. This is a national problem. Its also an international problem. I have yet to meet a  parent who isn't afraid to draw pictures, explain in debth, and provide helpful information about sex to their children. I mean,with my own mom, it was really hard to get her to talkabout the birds and the bees with me. I threw her for a loop when I asked her what 'making love' was ,at 9 years old. She sat me down in her bedroom and preceded to  sweat,  wring her hands, go into minor descriptions about the beginning stages of sex..THEN she lost her nerve, turned on the television (where ironically "The Miracle of Childbirth" was  showing on PBS) and like a puff of smoke, she was gone.

When parents can deal with the fact that when they have sex, it isn't a dirty thing, then and only then they will be comfortable enough to talk to their kids without leaving their kids confused.

Where did 89% come from? These are NOT the statistics I see in your community.
You keep on going in circles. My point was that much of your community teach NO values, including a parent's proper teaching of sex to his child. Your community has a vicious cycle of single mothers raising five kids, a high spread of STDs, and an even more alarming rate of rape. If you want me to brief you on what else goes on, a high preponderance of crime, including violent crime, drug use, etc, poverty, infant mortality. Above all, everyone seems to have horror stories of how rude groups of black men are, how loud and inconsiderate and how easy their inclinations toward violent behavior are.

Everyone is playing king of the jungle here, so again, sex education is not preventing them from acting like animals during mating season. Even if sex education is an "international" problem as you say it is (take Africa for example), you just cannot compare your communites woes to the rest of society; it just isn't as bad. Problems always occur, but not to the same degrees of intensity.
89% of the people I attended school with! See, unlike you, I can use the % and not include everyone in a race! And you dont' see ANY statistics in MY community because #1, you have never had to live there. #2. You don't know HOW MUCH of my community teaches what..you're just speculating because you don't like blacks. And guess what, black women aren't the ONLY women who happen to have relationships with future deadbeat dads. Check out Maury Povich. Give me a percentage of how many white women you see going through the same thing on that show. I NEVER EVER denied that the black community has a high rate of crime and other problems. And to tell you the absolute truth, I don't know  how many times I have to repeat myself over and over and over again but this is getting pretty sickening. Arguing with you back and forth over things we fundamentally agree  on doesn't make one bit of sense to me.

NOT ALL blacks are the way you described them. NOT ALL BLACK MEN behave the way you heard someone say they do. And to clear a matter up, if a child drops out of school before they get a chance to be in a sex ed class, it would really do them no good in the real world, right?

Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white  people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #96 on: February 03, 2008, 04:14:35 AM »


Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white  people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
Erica, I've explained the principle of proportionality to you 500 times. Do you want me to start with the statistics again to prove it?

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #97 on: February 03, 2008, 04:21:29 AM »


Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white  people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
Erica, I've explained the principle of proportionality to you 500 times. Do you want me to start with the statistics again to prove it?
I've explained to you that I know about the statistics already. I've told you that over and over and over ...and yet OVER again. But from MY perspective, I can only give you what I know to be true. All of this "Your evil is worse than MY evil" talk is tiring. I'll continue to do what I have to do to make sure that my kids are part of the solution. You do what you do best... complain, lament, compare, weigh, analyze... in the end, you're still no better than anyone else in this world. And neither am I.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #98 on: February 03, 2008, 04:27:24 AM »


Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white  people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
Erica, I've explained the principle of proportionality to you 500 times. Do you want me to start with the statistics again to prove it?
I've explained to you that I know about the statistics already. I've told you that over and over and over ...and yet OVER again. But from MY perspective, I can only give you what I know to be true. All of this "Your evil is worse than MY evil" talk is tiring. I'll continue to do what I have to do to make sure that my kids are part of the solution. You do what you do best... complain, lament, compare, weigh, analyze... in the end, you're still no better than anyone else in this world. And neither am I.

You're twisting and evading the issue again.

NOBODY at JTF has said white crimes are less evil than black crimes. Where did you get that idea?

 A white mugger is EQUALLY as bad as a black mugger. A white rapist is EQUALLY as bad as a black rapist. Right?

What we ARE saying is that a much much greater proportion of the black community are muggers and rapists compared to the proportion of muggers & rapists in the white community. If you're familiar with the statistics you would know this to be true.

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Re: Is it a good idea to have sex ed?
« Reply #99 on: February 03, 2008, 12:34:34 PM »


Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white  people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
Erica, I've explained the principle of proportionality to you 500 times. Do you want me to start with the statistics again to prove it?
I've explained to you that I know about the statistics already. I've told you that over and over and over ...and yet OVER again. But from MY perspective, I can only give you what I know to be true. All of this "Your evil is worse than MY evil" talk is tiring. I'll continue to do what I have to do to make sure that my kids are part of the solution. You do what you do best... complain, lament, compare, weigh, analyze... in the end, you're still no better than anyone else in this world. And neither am I.

You're twisting and evading the issue again.

NOBODY at JTF has said white crimes are less evil than black crimes. Where did you get that idea?

 A white mugger is EQUALLY as bad as a black mugger. A white rapist is EQUALLY as bad as a black rapist. Right?

What we ARE saying is that a much much greater proportion of the black community are muggers and rapists compared to the proportion of muggers & rapists in the white community. If you're familiar with the statistics you would know this to be true.
You don't have to SAY, "white crimes are less evil...". My problem with you and your cohorts is that you don't bash everyone who commits the same crimes. You convienently leave evil whites out...and you say that it's because so little of the population is doing it. Let me explain something to you. When I prepare my kids for school each day I constantly worry about their safety when I'm not in their presence...not because of how many blacks commit crimes but because there are evil period looking to victimize little kids. I dont' send them out of the house warning them about the precentages. I send them to school hoping that they'll be cautious because ANYONE  could hurt them. I know about the stats. I NEVER denied that.