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[dawntreader]

Lisa,

The point is, the USA still allowed immigration that came from outside of Europe.

The main thing kept out of the immigration loop were the truly undesirable elements which makes sense...such as prostitutes, those who were mentally ill, those who could not work etc.

And as for John Jay and the Federalist Papers...one must remember that even at that time there were opponents to what was written there.

Also, John Jay's statements hardly make sense in the context in which you provide them. 200,000 immigrants from North Western Europe and 155,000 from Eastern Europe hardly fits John Jay's assertion that they were all descended from one common people.

The Germans and French don't come from the same peoples....the Germans and Britons don't even completely come from the same peoples...and the Eastern Europeans certainly do not share a common ancestry. Nor do any of these share a common language. They did not all profess the same religion as some were Catholics and some were Protestants...and we all know the troubles the two sects have had with one another. As to manners and customs...perhaps there are similarities but from France to Germany to England there are customs which are definitely not the same.

It was a melting pot even then...a melting pot of mainly European nations true...but a melting pot nonetheless.

And again...this says nothing of the Native American population that was already here.

[Lisa]

Before the 1965 Immigration Act, most of the immigration to America was from European countries.  Now it's the opposite. 

[dawntreader]

Ok, now that is something I can agree with. I do agree that immigration now comes more from countries outside of Europe. But as I've said above...as long as it is LEGAL immigration, I don't see what the problem is.

On another note...if these people who are not White, are serving in the United States armed forces, and are dying for their country in wars the U.S. government sends them to, I would say they are every bit the American that their White neighbors are.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Black children are demons from hell.

I take offense to this. Nobody is born a demon. They are a product of their culture. You should take pity on the black kids who are being brainwashed by their evil surroundings.

[Din Rodef]

Din Rodef,
I don't truly understand why what I mentioned would be the end of America.

That is exactly my point. I don't think you can truly understand the "End of America" precisely because you are Jewish. You cannot totally identify with a White Christian European America...therefore if it disappears...it won't effect you the same way it would effect me.

I honestly don't want you to identify with White America.....you should be Jewish first and foremost...that is a good thing... The problem only arises if you stay in America instead of Israel because your unique Jewish identity will conflict with our unique American Identity.

I am not for ANY kind of illegal immigration to the USA whatsoever. I think every single illegal should be deported.

 awesome, me too

But the U.S.A. has always had legal immigration. What is wrong with that? And if it is orderly, how is that Anarchy?

Yes, it has always had immigration from White European Christian Nations. It was always orderly until our immigration policy changed and national origins were not considered.

Now the third worlders are pouring in...they have no respect for the rule of law because they have no history of understanding the Judeo-Christian concept of "law above man"...They just do whatever they can get away with.

I do believe that there is something special about the U.S.A. and that it IS special because of the principles the founding Fathers used when writing the United States Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

The ideals of the U.S.A. are what makes this country unique and different from any others. The USA SHOULD maintain a Christian identity...that's what most of the founders were in fact. And I believe English should be the language of the USA. But it came very close to being German. In fact we all speak English because of one vote!

These things were all things that were at the beginning of this great nation, and I think those characteristics should not change.

agreed 1000%

I will agree to disagree with you on the matters of race. Because I think you are essentially a good guy. (And you don't accuse me of being a liberal...WHICH I AM NOT A LIBERAL WHATSOEVER!)

However, I do have one last thing to say and then I'll say no more on this thread about this issue.

If The USA were to adhere to your dream of being White and Christian...and all the negros and Jews (Even though Jews by and large are caucasian...even the black Jews) and all the Hispanics (who didn't come from Europe's Spain), and all the Asians were to leave...what would a White Christian America do with the Native Americans who were here first?

Let them stay? Deport them all to some remote island? How would you ensure a real...White Christian America?

ahhh...now we can talk

This is where White Christian American Gentiles can learn from the Chaim's Kahanist message

Chaim says that most of the Arab Muslims will leave Israel if given the opportunity. He says that the Israeli Govt could pay them to leave. Chaim is correct...most of them will be happy to take payment and leave.

The Muslim Arabs that don't leave...will be forced to leave.

The same exact situation can happen in America.

We will pay them to leave...we will make them uncomfortable...We will make certain that they understand this is a WHITE CHRISTIAN NATION...We will be unapologetic....we will love our history...and we will celebrate our heros

They will mostly leave on their own. The ones that stay....will agree with us and "melt" into the population over time. The hostile ones will be forced out.

I think it's a moot issue. I personally believe that the Moshiach will come before the world's problems are solved. He will be the one to settle every dispute and what He says will be the law for everyone.

Excellent point about the Moshiach

But, I don't agree that this is a moot issue....on the contrary it is the very CORE issue of the survival of Israel and Christian Western Civilization.

Chaim says that it is a sin to depend on miracles and we must take matters into our own hands.

[Din Rodef]

Great, a Liberal Catholic basher who wants to give America  to the Indians. Does it get any better? That should help the JTF cause.

hahaha CJD...I love how you think

But, in my opinion, this conversation with dawntreader is EXACTLY what JTF should be about. We shouldn't hesitate to be honest with each other. Where else could a conversation like this take place?

Dawntreader has earned my respect because for having the most politically incorrect conversation on planet earth without allowing it to devolve into ad hominem attacks. 

[dawntreader]

Din Rodef,

I agree that it is nice to have a discussion without it becoming a raging argument. and I do agree that honesty is best. Even when arguing a  point nicely! 

I wanted to ask then...do you consider the Cherokee to be "White"? They ARE caucasian and not asian as some of the Western tribes are in the States.

Your thoughts?

[Din Rodef]

I wanted to ask then...do you consider the Cherokee to be "White"? They ARE caucasian and not asian as some of the Western tribes are in the States.

Your thoughts?

It is interesting that they were one of the tribes that assimilated best with the White European Colonists.

Weren't they considered one of the 5 "Civilized Tribes"

In fact, they assimilated so well that their economic dealings began to threaten some of the wealthy men of the day....and economic interest was one of the driving forces behind the so-called Trail of Tears

It's also interesting that they held black slaves

[dawntreader]

Din Rodef,

I agree with you on that. But! You didn't answer the question on whether you believe the 5 civilized tribes were or are..."White".

LOL!

So my friend...your thoughts once more?

[RationalThought110]

Din Rodef the problem with Dawntreader extreme Liberalism. Its been my experience when people talk about others being racist and in a condescending manor to boot that is usually the case.

CJD

you are 1000% right about liberals

But, I really like Dawntreader...have read many of his excellent posts...and don't think he's a liberal.

Personally, I just think he's a slightly confused Jew because he's living in America.

I believe it's difficult for Jews that live in America to fully support a White Christian Gentile America because that would mean they don't really belong here. So many Jews attempt to "have it both ways"...they attempt to prove that they are good Jews by supporting Zionism and Israel...but then they attempt to justify their Jewish presence in America by supporting multi-culturalism and multi-racialism.

This confusion can easily be cured by making Aliyah. Chaim talks about this all of the time. He says that Jews aren't "whole" until they're living in the land of Israel.

 

Jewish liberals are misguided.  They are big supporters of values that are against most major religions, including abortions and homosexual behavior.


They should be supporting those who promote values such as these such as religious Christians. 

[RationalThought110]

I just thought of this as well.

While I would personally like to see a Christian USA...and when I say Christian, I mean a USA that actually follows what Jesus taught and was not some pagan monstrosity like Catholicism...

Christianity itself does not limit itself to white people. I think Jesus himself wanted Christianity to be spread to anyone who would listen to the gospel and accept it.

So to me, it doesn't matter if the Gentiles in the USA are red, white or blue...as long as they are Christian and are trying to follow the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...I'm good.

But we all know that not even all White people are real Christians. There's plenty who are Christians but in name only. (Same as in any religion.)

Great, a Liberal Catholic basher who wants to give America  to the Indians. Does it get any better? That should help the JTF cause.

Liberal Christians tend to embrace homosexual behavior, promiscuity, turning criminals into victims (like the ACLU likes to do), etc. 

[Lisa]

In terms of non-European immigration being ok as long as it's legal, I disagree.  Most Americans are so afraid of being accused of discrimination or of racism that they will sacrifice their country, or even themselves on the altar of political correctness.

We should NOT allow any immigration from Muslim countries whatsoever.  Think of this.  Did we allow unfettered German immigration to the U.S. during World War II.  I don't think so.  Furthermore, there's almost always something in the news about some Iranians or other Muslims in this country either running down people with their SUV's or selling arms to Al Qaeda or to Iran, or broadcasting Hezbo tv in New York.  That needs to stop.  And frankly, we would be doing these people a favor.  If they hate America so much, then let them try and live without us, or our "EEEVIL" influence.

[cjd]

In terms of non-European immigration being ok as long as it's legal, I disagree.  Most Americans are so afraid of being accused of discrimination or of racism that they will sacrifice their country, or even themselves on the altar of political correctness.

We should NOT allow any immigration from Muslim countries whatsoever.  Think of this.  Did we allow unfettered German immigration to the U.S. during World War II.  I don't think so.  Furthermore, there's almost always something in the news about some Iranians or other Muslims in this country either running down people with their SUV's or selling arms to Al Qaeda or to Iran, or broadcasting Hezbo tv in New York.  That needs to stop.  And frankly, we would be doing these people a favor.  If they hate America so much, then let them try and live without us, or our "EEEVIL" influence.

Excellent post Lisa, 100% on the money!! I could not agree more! Why don't more people see this.