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Offline Tonni

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Is Islam really the problem?
« on: April 14, 2010, 04:54:36 AM »
I don't believe that Islam is the reason that Muslims behave the way they do for the following reasons:

1. The Arabs want to destroy Israel because they're racist and hate Jews, not just because of their religion. Even Christian Arabs hate Israel as much as Muslims. The suicide bombings and similar behaviors are because of Islam but their hatred is based on their racism as well.

2. Arabs have been mistreating their women before Islam. In fact the practice of veiling women and secluding them to one part of the home comes from the Persians and Byzantines and the Arabs adopted these ideas from them. Clitoris amputation predates Islam too.

3. Islam is not the reason why Arabs are stupid. There is strong anthropological evidence that the original Persians, Sumerians, and original Egyptians were Mediterranean and not related to the modern inhabitants (Arabs and Iranians) of these areas. Islam did not cause them to lose their

4. Islam is not the reason why Arabs are incestuous. The Arabs have been incestuous before Islam.

Correlation doesn't mean causation. Muslim nations are the most oppressive and backward but this doesn't mean that Islam is causing it or that if they weren't Muslims then they'd be any better. If the Arabs were decent then they'd leave Islam. The fact that they don't is proof that they're wicked. Evil people that are not Muslims are attracted to Islam too. In U.S. prisons, Blacks turn to Islam because they are scum and Islam doesn't make them any worst. Islam is merely a symptom of evil not a cause of it.

The only thing that Islam does do to an individual is make him/her more dangerous. The Muslims think that if they die in jihad then they'll go to heaven; although I can say that even without Islam the Arabs would still have likely created an ideology that glorifies martyrdom.

Maybe we should just criticize all Arabs instead of focusing on the symptom rather than the cause.

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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 05:07:39 AM »
You night have a point except non arab muslims are also dangerous. So, no, its not a racial thing. Its a behaviorial and cultural thing. What you are suggesting is racism.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 05:23:21 AM »
Dr. Dan, since races do not exist (I kinda agree with Tonni here), it's not racism but rather a cultural thing. An Arab can cease being an Arab by leaving his culture.

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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 05:24:20 AM »
For the record, both Islam (all of the Muslims too) and Arabs are the problem, same goes to Persians ysv"z etc.

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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 06:15:20 AM »
I'm Persian...you don't see me marrying my sister... I'm sorry...you're wrong...Evil is evil..Islam is evil...non Arabs who are Muslim also do evil crazy things...

and I know jewish arabs who don't do the things described by Toni..it's not an Arab thing that makes them evil..it's Islam and culture.
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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 06:18:43 AM »
Jews are Jews and can't be neither Persian or Arab or American or Viking. That's a fraud "example" you give.

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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 08:00:09 AM »
I don't believe in racism. Arabs were in fact violent before Islam and Islam is itself also violent. But wether we like it or nor not, we must admit that both Arab anti-Semitism and Islamic terrorism has its roots on Western Jew hatred.
Arab/Muslims were always violent but did they not target specially Jews, they did persecute Jews since the beginning of Islam just as they would persecute anyone who was not a Muslim. Sometimes they targeted Jews, other times they targeted other peoples. It was just a strategy of any evil empire, destroying others and conquering land.
But Islam was quite dormant during the last centuries, they just kept it as a tradition or a religion without paying too much atention to the violent Koran and Hadiths.
At the beginning of modern Zionist movement, some Arabs were willing to accept a Jewish State, it was the Jordanian king who wanted Israel to be 47,000 sq km large, including half of current Jordan. It was only when Western anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism was known among Arabs that they began to steadily target Jews.
Arabs are undeveloped as, any other countries, tend to blame others for their own problem and find spacegoats. Anti-Semites lies about Jews controlling the world wealth and politics fit very well among Arabs who were already looking for someone to target. But while anti-Semites in the West would only attack Jews (they couldn't attack theselves), Arabs used the whole "Jewish controlled West world" as a spacegoat to keep the power of their dictatorships. They attempted to do it by socialism and communism at first (Most Arab leader were secular pro-commnunists, Nasser, Hussein, the Syrian Baath pàrty, Lybian Kaddaffi). But when they failed, they tried to relive the dormant Islam.

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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 08:15:59 AM »
The Arab man is not inferior by any means to whites and Asians. But Islam inherits much of the negative aspects of the pre-Islamic Arab culture, and so it perpetuates this evil by sanctifying it. Arabs are dumber than Iranians, but it is universally demonstrated that muslim civilization is dumber in comparison to European and Asian civilizations. There outstanding example I can think of is Pakistan compared to India.

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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 08:29:25 AM »
Philosophers hitherto have interpreted the muslam in various ways. The task is to obliterate it.
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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 09:31:43 AM »


What about in Russia, those aren't Arab bombers. They are Muslims, however.
And in Indonesia and the philippines?

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Re: Is Islam really the problem?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 09:43:51 AM »


What about in Russia, those aren't Arab bombers. They are Muslims, however.
And in Indonesia and the philippines?



Whether it's Muslims or Arabs, they don't kill for nothing. They kill because it's profitable to their evil purposes. A Chechnyan kills only Russians, an Indonesian kills "infidel" Indonesians, and so on. Even when Russia masacred Chechnyan civilians, did Iran care?
The question is who made it profitable for all Muslims to target Israel and the Jews? And the answer is easy. About 200 countries in the world recognise Fakestinian "rights" over Jerusalem.