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Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« on: September 11, 2010, 08:26:47 AM »
This video is made by I guess a Jewish person.
In this video Milan Nedic's administration is portrayed as a Nazi-regime, which is a flagrant lie. The government of Milan Nedic was not a Nazi-government. It was a Serbian government during the Nazi-German occupation of Serbia.
There did not exist an independent Serbian state during the WW2. What was left of Serbia, was directly occupied by Germans. The other Serbian territories were annexed to Serbia's fascist surrounding nations. The Germans were in charge of occupied Serbia. The government of Milan Nedic did not have much control in Serbia. The crimes against Serbs and Jews in occupied Serbia, were organized and perpetrated by Germans.

Some facts about Milan Nedic.
Milan Nedic tried to save as many as possible Serbian and Jewish lives, during the German occupation. He provided false documents to Jews to save them from prosecution. Nedic was not a fascist. He could not beat the Germans, so he tried to save as much as possible people by closing agreements with the occupying forces.

In this film the soldiers of Milan Nedic who were royalists and not Nazis, are falsely presented as Nazis. This is funny because the soldiers are using monarchist, royal symbols and not Nazi symbols.

I think that a Jewish member should try to convince this man to stop with this propaganda. Nedic saved many Jews and this behavior is very immoral.



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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2010, 08:35:10 AM »
This video contains old communists propaganda. It portrays the Serbian Cetniks as Nazi-collaborators, which is a flagrant lie. The partisan army which consisted 90% of Serbs was the second anti-fascist army which was dominated by the Serbs. The Serbian Cetnik Movement was also an anti-fascist army. After 1945, the rivals of the Cetniks the communists presented the Cetniks as collaborators. It is communist propaganda and not a fact.   

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2010, 10:21:09 AM »
Ој Хитлеру ћелави
Тебе Недић превари
Наоруж'о Српску стражу
Па чувају Дражу
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2010, 11:39:52 AM »
Thank you for your kind words Slobodan!

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2010, 12:49:45 PM »
If the person who uploaded this video really is Jewish, then he is a moron. Out of all the countries in Europe where Jews were killed during WW2, he chose to demonize and slander little Serbia by completely distorting facts. The Germans mercilessly bombed Belgrade, killing tens of thousands until Serbia surrendered. During the occupation, they murdered thousands of innocent civilians. They hanged little children and even women in public for each wounded or killed German soldier in Serbian territory.

This idiot claims that a "vast majority" of Serbs were collaborators. Is that why they bombed us? Is that why they occupied our country? Is that why they massacred civilians for no reason? He makes a video attacking a country who did whatever it could to defend itself against the Nazis and helped more Jews than most of the European countries.

Instead of attacking the Croatians who enthusiastically and fanatically supported Hitler, cut off the ears and eyes of little Serbian and Jewish kids, he attacks the tiny minority of Serbs who collaborated with the Nazis and makes up complete lies.

I have a hard time believing that this was uploaded by a Jew. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Croat or another one of our enemies simply trying to smear us by pretending to be Jewish in order to "convince" the general public that Serbs were Nazis.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2010, 02:36:29 PM »
I think that he is from the group of Vatican's agent
Jacob Sedlar.

Jacob Sedlar's propaganda:

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2010, 01:28:45 AM »


Ово није Јевреј, ово је Босански муслиман (бивши Србин, потурица), припадник вештачке "бошњачке" нације, регистрован под лажним именом ради антисрпског деловања.

This is not a Jew, this is a Bosnian Muslim (former Serb, converted Turk), a member of the artificial "Bosnian" nation, registered under a false name in order to carry out anti-Serb activities.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2010, 02:04:28 AM »
It is quite possible.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2010, 02:12:41 AM »
Instead of attacking the Croatians who enthusiastically and fanatically supported Hitler, cut off the ears and eyes of little Serbian and Jewish kids, he attacks the tiny minority of Serbs who collaborated with the Nazis and makes up complete lies.

He makes a mistake by claming that they collaborated with the Nazis in the same way as Serbia's surrounding nations did. Nedic had a peace agreement with the Germans, because otherwise the Germans would continue to devide and destroy Serbia. He could not resist the Germans. That does not mean that he participated in Nazi crimes. It also does not mean that he supported the Nazi ideology. Nedic was a convinced monarchist, who supplied the Serbian anti-fascist [Cetnik] resistance with weapons and food. While he was closing agreements with the Germans, he was saving many Jews and Serbs from prosecution.

Milan Nedic was a politician in a very difficult time.
Also Mihailovic was forced to co-operate with the allies.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 09:36:42 PM »
Nedic was a puppet. Serbia was an occupied state, just like Denmark or Poland. It was not a Tripartite pact axis member. Unlike Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria, which were. Albania was Italy's puppet and Croatia was it's own breakaway fascist state.

Serbia was under direct German military occupation, and pieces were chopped off and given to greedy neighbors Croatia, Hungary, Bulgaria, German minority in Banat, and Italian-occupied Albania.

Nedic did cooperate with the occupation to a degree. He called his government the "government of national salvation" because his goal was to save as many lives as possible, not wishing to repeat the losses of WWI. In WWI, Serbia lost over 25% of the population (more than 1.5 million people) due to the Austro-Hungarian, German, and Bulgarian occupations, their atrocities, and the famines and diseases that spread throughout Serbia as a result of the war.

Is it possible that Nedic's police collaborated in arresting Jews and Gypsies/Roma? Yes, there was some of that. But most were arrested by German soldiers and the executions were carried out by German Wehrmacht and the SS.

I don't know of any spontaneous Serbian pogroms against Jews or Roma like what happened in Romania, Poland, Ukraine, or even worse in Lithuania and Latvia.

Also, all the camps in Serbia were set up by the German occupation, and the largest ethnic group of victims were Serbs in all of the camps, although unlike Jews in these camps they weren't killed because of who they were but because they were in the resistance or they were killed as "punishment"/reprisal for German losses (100 Serbs for 1 German). In Sajmiste, the largest camp in Serbia (actually it was on NDH territory at the time, but run by Germans) about 8000 Jews and 32000 Serbs were killed.

All these attempts to portray Serbia as a rabidly anti-Semitic anti-Roma country that jumped into WWII and fervently tried to exterminate its minorities is just total nonsense and most likely Croatian/Bosnian Muslim/Albanian propaganda. In reality, it was the Croats and Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanians that were joyously killing tens of thousands of Jews and Roma and hundreds of thousands of Serbs in WWII.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 07:12:27 AM »
Is it possible that Nedic's police collaborated in arresting Jews and Gypsies/Roma? Yes, there was some of that. But most were arrested by German soldiers and the executions were carried out by German Wehrmacht and the SS.

How come that Milan Nedic provided false documents to Jews and Gypsies in order to save them from Nazi prosecution, if Milan Nedic, according to your statements, participated into Nazi-activities?

Milan Nedic provided false pasports to Jews and others to protect them from Nazi prosecution. Milan Nedic did not cooperate with the Nazis in everything.
If something was bad for the Serbs, Milan Nedic refused that. The Germans wanted to send Nedic's divisions to the eastern front, but Nedic did not allow that. He said that his units are necessary to fight the communists in Yugoslavia.
Milan Nedic supplied the Serbian antifascist movement - the army in the fatherland - the Cetnik movement with money and weaponry, while he was ''collaborating'' with the Germans. There are too many facts which deny the accusation that Nedic's government participated in crimes against Serbs, Jews or Gypsies. The crimes against those people were perpetrated by the Nazis and their followers. 

So, Milan Nedic was not a puppet or a collaborator, he actually used his agreements with the enemy to save as many as possible lives.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 10:48:03 AM »
Is it possible that Nedic's police collaborated in arresting Jews and Gypsies/Roma? Yes, there was some of that. But most were arrested by German soldiers and the executions were carried out by German Wehrmacht and the SS.

How come that Milan Nedic provided false documents to Jews and Gypsies in order to save them from Nazi prosecution, if Milan Nedic, according to your statements, participated into Nazi-activities?

Milan Nedic provided false pasports to Jews and others to protect them from Nazi prosecution. Milan Nedic did not cooperate with the Nazis in everything.
If something was bad for the Serbs, Milan Nedic refused that. The Germans wanted to send Nedic's divisions to the eastern front, but Nedic did not allow that. He said that his units are necessary to fight the communists in Yugoslavia.
Milan Nedic supplied the Serbian antifascist movement - the army in the fatherland - the Cetnik movement with money and weaponry, while he was ''collaborating'' with the Germans. There are too many facts which deny the accusation that Nedic's government participated in crimes against Serbs, Jews or Gypsies. The crimes against those people were perpetrated by the Nazis and their followers. 

So, Milan Nedic was not a puppet or a collaborator, he actually used his agreements with the enemy to save as many as possible lives.

OK, do you have evidence of this? I know the Communists demonized everyone that wasn't with them after the war, including Mihailovic. They practically made the insane concept of Nedic = Pavelic, which is completely nonsense.

If Nedic was OK with Mihailovic, why did he imprison Mihailovic's wife and two children in Banjica? Draza's wife was in Banjica for two years, even though she wasn't a Partisan (and Mihailovic's kids were in the Partisans). Are you saying that Nedic had no people working in Banjica?

We know that in Sajmiste and Crveni Krst the Germans were running everything, but I thought in Banjica that Nedic's people had a role. At any rate, Banjica was more like a prison and not quite like a camp in the way Sajmiste was. I think several hundred Jews and Roma were killed there but most victims were Serb resisters or reprisal hostages.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 12:40:49 PM »
Amongst Serbs it is well know that those accusations are remains from the communist area.

Well it is a fact which is confirmed that Milan Nedic supplied the Yugoslav army in the fatherland [the Serbian Cetnik Movement, the first Serbian anti-fascist army] with weaponry. Something like that can not me mentioned without evidence.
In Serbian history that is mentioned several times.

It is also a fact that Milan Nedic saved many people from Nazi prosecution, not only Serbs also Jews and Gypsies. The soldiers of Milan Nedic were not involved in camps which were installed by the occupying forces. The camps were controlled by Germans and in those places Serbs were also victimized. The statement that Milan Nedic participated or partly participated in the Nazi crimes is a remain of the communist area. The soldiers of Milan Nedic never used even Nazi symbols or salutes, let alone participated into Nazi crimes. It is also a fact that Milan Nedic supported the protection of Jews, Serbs and Gypsies from Nazis. Many Jews escaped due to the fact that Nedic gave them false identities.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 01:10:54 PM »
Is it possible that Nedic's police collaborated in arresting Jews and Gypsies/Roma? Yes, there was some of that. But most were arrested by German soldiers and the executions were carried out by German Wehrmacht and the SS.

How come that Milan Nedic provided false documents to Jews and Gypsies in order to save them from Nazi prosecution, if Milan Nedic, according to your statements, participated into Nazi-activities?

Milan Nedic provided false pasports to Jews and others to protect them from Nazi prosecution. Milan Nedic did not cooperate with the Nazis in everything.
If something was bad for the Serbs, Milan Nedic refused that. The Germans wanted to send Nedic's divisions to the eastern front, but Nedic did not allow that. He said that his units are necessary to fight the communists in Yugoslavia.
Milan Nedic supplied the Serbian antifascist movement - the army in the fatherland - the Cetnik movement with money and weaponry, while he was ''collaborating'' with the Germans. There are too many facts which deny the accusation that Nedic's government participated in crimes against Serbs, Jews or Gypsies. The crimes against those people were perpetrated by the Nazis and their followers. 

So, Milan Nedic was not a puppet or a collaborator, he actually used his agreements with the enemy to save as many as possible lives.

OK, do you have evidence of this? I know the Communists demonized everyone that wasn't with them after the war, including Mihailovic. They practically made the insane concept of Nedic = Pavelic, which is completely nonsense.

If Nedic was OK with Mihailovic, why did he imprison Mihailovic's wife and two children in Banjica? Draza's wife was in Banjica for two years, even though she wasn't a Partisan (and Mihailovic's kids were in the Partisans). Are you saying that Nedic had no people working in Banjica?

We know that in Sajmiste and Crveni Krst the Germans were running everything, but I thought in Banjica that Nedic's people had a role. At any rate, Banjica was more like a prison and not quite like a camp in the way Sajmiste was. I think several hundred Jews and Roma were killed there but most victims were Serb resisters or reprisal hostages.
Ne trudi se, nema on dokaze ni za sta. Samo ce da ti ponavlja "dobro poznate cinjenice", a poznate samo njemu.
Nedic jeste pomogao nekim ljudima, ali isto tako je obavljao i prljave poslove za Nemce. Logicno, jer zasto bi drzali na tom mestu nekoga ko svo vreme radi protiv njih?

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 01:47:26 PM »
voo-yo,

Why are you writing Serbian to him? Is he a Serb?

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2010, 01:57:56 PM »
Pa koji to stranac zna za Nedica, Banjicu itd? Uostalom, svi su mu postovi na srpskom podforumu.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2010, 01:59:45 PM »
Ali kako moze on da tvrdi da je Nedic bio umjesan u zlocine, kada to cinjenice demantuju .. Cudno..!
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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2010, 02:01:33 PM »
@voo-yo

Шта ти значи ово "C.E." уместо "ће"'?
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2010, 02:04:35 PM »
Forum automatski pretvara c i e kad su zajedno u C.E. Kao sto kad napises Bog na engleskom, forum ga pretvori u God.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2010, 02:06:12 PM »
Аха.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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Re: Propaganda against Milan Nedic
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2010, 06:07:18 PM »
Ali kako moze on da tvrdi da je Nedic bio umjesan u zlocine, kada to cinjenice demantuju .. Cudno..!
Koje to cinjenice, opet lupetas.