Sorry!

[Masha]

I am sorry if I have offended anyone here!

[mord]

I am sorry if I have offended anyone here!

me too

[Irish Zionist]

[Zelhar]

Hi Masha, is that part of your Kippur ?

[Lisa]

Hi Masha, is that part of your Kippur ?

I believe so. 

[Rubystars]

This is a controversial message board. Most posts are going to offend somebody or other!

[muman613]

This is a controversial message board. Most posts are going to offend somebody or other!

As I said in my "Ask Muman613" thread... We should ask for forgiveness for offending those who we consider to be our brothers and sisters. Those who have made themselves our enemy {as in trolls, etc.} we do not need to ask for forgiveness although we still can do so in the hopes that they will someday do teshuvah. There is a three time rule which means that if you did something wrong to someone and ask them forgiveness three times and they don't give it, then you don't need to ask anymore.

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,25101.msg467529.html#msg467529

RAMBAMS Hilchot Teshuva {Laws of Repentence}

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:IKnSdakTlqIJ:www.torahlab.org/download/rambam_sourcesheet.pdf+halacha+teshuva+forgive&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESggAf690-qJL-Pi0oZeCVTu1doCfHj36_kjXFQFTpVku8QDzm0S4C3j27cIHdtcf1GbQ6ceN7AuyztiDl8gETzUYbnGXpvhEB3bLCtloHx4S00glauKiLUvsxFzYfs08oanV-jy&sig=AHIEtbSx8f0xk5RpDdL43Fwjq3GWOIeAhg

Halacha 5

It is very praiseworthy for a repentant to confess publicly, to make
his sins known to them, and reveal any sin which he committed
against someone else. He should say, ‘even though I have sinned
against so-and-so and did such-and-such, today I repent and
regret it’. Anybody who is too proud and doesn’t publicize his
sin but covers up their sin has not completely repented, as the
verse states, “He who covers up his sins won’t succeed” (Mishlei
28: 13). In which case is this true? For sins committed against
another person*. But sins against G-d should not be publicized. It
is considered insolence to reveal them. Rather he should repent
before G-d and specify his sins before Him, and only confess
publicly without specifying them. It is better for him not to
reveal them as it states, “Fortunate is he whose transgression is
forgiven, whose sin is covered” (Tehillim 32: 1).

...

Halacha 7

Yom Kippur is a time of repentance for all, for individuals and
communities. It is the end of pardoning and forgiving of Israel.
Therefore, everyone is obligated to repent and confess on Yom
Kippur. The mitzvah of Yom Kippur is to begin [confessing] in the
afternoon, before eating, in case one chokes to death during the
meal, before confessing. Even though he has confessed before he
ate, a person must still confess again at night in Ma’ariv of Yom
Kippur. And again in Shacharis, Musaf, Mincha and Ne’ilah. Where
in prayer does he confess? An individual after the Amida, and the
Chazzan in the middle of the Amida in the fourth blessing.

...

Halacha 9

Repentance and Yom Kippur atone only for sins between the
person and G-d, such as eating a forbidden food, having prohibited
relations, and similar things. But sins against other people such
as injuring, cursing or stealing are never atoned for until he has
paid what he owes the person and appeased him. Even though he
has returned any money he owes he still has to appease him and
ask for forgiveness. Even if one only made fun of someone else he
has to appease him and entreat him until he forgives him. If the
person does not want to forgive him, then he must bring a row
of three of his friends and entreat the person to forgive him. If
they still won’t forgive he must ask him two or even three times.
If they still won’t forgive him he should leave him alone and go
away. This person who did not forgive is now the sinner. But if
[the person sinned against was] his Rabbi, he must continue to
approach him even a thousand times until the Rabbi forgives
him.

Halacha 10

It is forbidden for a person to be harsh and not be appeased. Rather
he should be easily accepting and slow to anger. When someone
asks for forgiveness he should forgive him wholeheartedly and with
a desiring soul. Even if the sinner had distressed him considerably
and sinned against him a lot, he may not take revenge or bear a
grudge. This is the way of the descendents of Israel, and to those
with a good heart. But the non-Jews, who have uncircumcised
hearts, are not so. Rather “he has kept his fury forever” (Amos 1:
11). Similarly it states concerning the Givonim, because they not
forgive or appease Israel, “The Givonim are not of the Children of
Israel” (Shmuel 2 21: 2).

[Yaakov Mendel]

I am sorry if I ever offended anyone here who sincerely cares for the Jewish people and the righteous Gentiles.

I am sorry if I said things which I believed to be right but were wrong or unfair.

Since I joined this forum, I have learned a lot, and listening to Chaim and talking to JTFers really has an impact on my life. I hope I contribute in a positive manner.


Yaakov Mendel

[Rubystars]

That's really interesting Muman. I had no idea about the three times rule. What happens if you forgive someone and then later on still feel angry about it. Should you forgive them again? I've thought I've forgiven people before but then they did something and it reminded me of a previous thing they did that made me angry, so I had to struggle not to re-open the old wound which I thought had healed.

What if someone apologizes, you forgive them, and then later they go and do wrong to you again. Are you taught to forgive them again, or should you then, according to Judaism, hold a grudge?

[Lisa]

Likewise, I apologized if I've offended anyone here.  You guys are awesome!

[Debbie Shafer]

Me too, My intentions are honest and true and I want to support Israel.

[Rubystars]

I'm not sorry if my opinions offend people because I stand by what I say.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

I'm not sorry if my opinions offend people because I stand by what I say.

Too bad you're not fully honest

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

if I hurt or offended any Jew or Righteous Gentile here personally, no apologizes made for principles and political statements I made though

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

This is a controversial message board. Most posts are going to offend somebody or other!

As I said in my "Ask Muman613" thread... We should ask for forgiveness for offending those who we consider to be our brothers and sisters. Those who have made themselves our enemy {as in trolls, etc.} we do not need to ask for forgiveness although we still can do so in the hopes that they will someday do teshuvah.

But I didn't do anything wrong to a troll, so why would I ask for a troll's forgiveness.   This I just don't understand.   Forgiveness is asked for when you actually do something wrong to someone else.  Or am I missing something here?

I mean, are you going to ask the troll to forgive you for being Jewish?!

[MassuhDGoodName]

I'M SORRY by Timi Yuro

I'm sorry, so sorry
That I was such a fool.
I didn't know
Love could be so cruel.
Oh oh oh oh uh-oh oh yes.

You tell me mistakes
Are part of being young
But that don't right
The wrong that's been done.

[spoken]
(I'm sorry) I'm sorry
(So sorry) So sorry.
Please accept my apology,
But love is blind,
And I was too blind to see.
Oh oh oh oh uh-oh oh yes.

You tell me mistakes
Are part of being young
But that don't right
The wrong that's been done.
Oh oh oh oh uh-oh oh yes.

I'm sorry, so sorry
Please accept my apology
But love was blind,
And I was too blind to see.
(Sorry)

*Timi Yuro I'm Sorry lyrics are property and copyright of it's owners. Lyrics are provided for educational purposes only.

[muman613]

Sorry Seems To Be The Hardest Word
Available on the album Blue Moves

Music: Elton John
Lyrics: Bernie Taupin
Piano and vocals: Elton John
Bass: Kenny Passarelli
Electric piano: James Newton Howard
Vibes: Ray Cooper
Accordion: Carl Fortina

What have I got to do to make you love me
What have I got to do to make you care
What do I do when lightning strikes me
And I wake to find that you're not there
What do I do to make you want me
What have I got to do to be heard
What do I say when it's all over
And sorry seems to be the hardest word
It's sad, so sad
It's a sad, sad situation
And it's getting more and more absurd
It's sad, so sad
Why can't we talk it over
Oh it seems to me
That sorry seems to be the hardest word
What do I do to make you love me
What have I got to do to be heard
What do I do when lightning strikes me
What have I got to do
What have I got to do
When sorry seems to be the hardest word

[Rubystars]

I'm not sorry if my opinions offend people because I stand by what I say.

Too bad you're not fully honest

Do you think I'm being deceptive?

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

I'm not sorry if my opinions offend people because I stand by what I say.

Too bad you're not fully honest

Do you think I'm being deceptive?

I don't need to answer this since we both know the answer.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Ron, we know you see Christians in exactly the same light as Muslims but here's a question, when was the last time Muslims joined JTF to do taqqiyah? I can only think of one Muslim who even a little fit into that category (Sarah), and she was pretty honest about what religion she was and decided to leave entirely on her own.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

                                                                                  Take Me Back
                                                                                
                                                                           Tinchy "hmmhmm" Stryder
                                                                                           ....
 
                                                                        I'm sorry i misleaded you pretty lady
                                                                        I'm sorry i mistreated you pretty lady
                                                                         I'm sorry that i hurt you pretty lady
                                                                                 All i need to know is
 
                                                                         Can you take me back? can you take me back?
                                                                         Can you take me back? can you take me back?
                                                                          Can you take me back? can you take me back?
                                                                           Can you take me back? can you take me back?
                                                                                               
                                                                                            ...

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Ron, we know you see Christians in exactly the same light as Muslims but here's a question, when was the last time Muslims joined JTF to do taqqiyah? I can only think of one Muslim who even a little fit into that category (Sarah), and she was pretty honest about what religion she was and decided to leave entirely on her own.

This is an easy question - when was the last time JTF betrayed the Jewish people and started calling to save Islamic civilization? Never.

Xtians have completely different interests than Jews here and it's just a shame yet so expected that you wouldn't be honest about this.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I haven't been honest that we have major theological differences from Judaism? How so?

[MassuhDGoodName]

Tinchy B chimpin' B punchin' pretty ladee cut her wif razoo 2 an sex 2     

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

I haven't been honest that we have major theological differences from Judaism? How so?

This is a very polite and escaping way of showing it though.

We have the same major theological differences with you as we have with Islam. You're hostile to us and you will have the same attitude from us.