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In Germany, Jews Fight Wave of Islamophobia Even as Some Muslims Denounce Jews
By Don Snyder
Published January 14, 2011.

    

Berlin — In Germany today, Muslims are often cited as a crucial factor in contemporary German anti-Semitism—and are themselves increasingly a target of ethnic based prejudice and bigotry.

Yet, leaders of Germany’s Jewish community have joined others in combating what many view as a tidal wave of German Islamophobia.

Though rich in irony, Jewish leaders see their position as a matter of Jewish self-interest in a Germany in which old ghosts remain laid to rest.

Concern about German Islamophobia comes against a backdrop in which experts who track anti-Semitism in Germany today cite a trend of Muslims joining with extreme leftists and traditional anti-Semites to protest Israel while invoking Jews, explicitly, as their targets.

Among other widely publicized events, a group of Muslims in Hanover attacked an Israeli dance troupe in June 2007, yelling “Juden raus” as they hurled stones at the members, according to press reports. And in January 2009, Muslims and German leftists marched in Berlin chanting “Death to Jews” to protest the 2008–2009 Gaza military conflict.

Yet at the same time, Muslims themselves are increasingly a target in Germany: a product of the country’s long-running failure to integrate Muslim immigrants into German society despite their presence—by invitation—in large numbers since the early 1960s. Still, a Germany rife with rising anti-Muslim prejudice offers little comfort to those worried about the welfare of Jews here.

Those hostile towards Muslims “have suddenly invoked the Judeo-Christian heritage in Germany, whereas previously there was more emphasis on the country’s Christian heritage,” explained Diedre Berger, director of the American Jewish Committee’s office in Berlin. “[By creating] a bulwark, so to speak, against the Moslems by invoking ‘Judeo-Christian’ in this debate you are creating a religious divide. The Jews want to be part of the majority society, but not at the expense of putting other minorities outside mainstream society.”

Recently, an obscure member of Germany’s Central Bank has turned up the flame on anti-Muslim sentiment to an unprecedented boil, though it cost him a seat on the bank’s board.

In “Germany Does Away With Itself,” author Thilo Sarrazin offers an indictment of Germany’s 4.2 million Muslims—5.5% of the population—blaming them for dumbing down German culture and draining the nation’s welfare budget. Disturbingly, Sarrazin, a member of Germany’s center-left Social Democratic Party, at times appears to come close to a genetics-based condemnation of the community.

“Culturally and morally the Muslims represent a step backward for German society,” Sarrazin declares in his book, published last August. “If the birthrate of the migrants continues to remain higher than the indigenous population, within a few generations, the migrants will take over the state and society and create a nation of dunces.”

Jewish leaders have been quick to denounce Sarrazin. Writing about him in the newspaper Bild am Sonntag, the former vice president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Michel Friedman, insisted that there could be “no more tolerance for this intolerance,” adding, “We need bridge builders, not people who preach hate, much less on the board of the German Bundesbank.”

Friedman’s criticism was inspired in part by a sense that Sarrazin was introducing—or reintroducing—a broader, unhealthy viewpoint into Germany’s public discourse. In an interview after the publication of his book, Sarrazin angered Jews when, in defending and expanding on his views of Turkish Muslims as a group, he seemed to defend sweeping ethnic generalizations, saying, “All Jews share a certain gene; Basques have certain genes that differentiate them from others.”

Chancellor Angela Merkel has soundly repudiated the book, terming Sarrazin’s views “totally unacceptable.” The Berlin newspaper Die Tageszeitung articulated mainstream liberal reaction, editorializing, “What should be done if 65 years after the banning of Hitler’s ‘Mein another treatise on racial theory turns into a best-seller in Germany?”

But Sarrazin’s book has acted like a match on long built-up tinder, and the firestorm it has ignited has refused to die down.

“The Germans have been politically correct about race and religion for 65 years, since the end of [World War II],” Israel’s envoy to Berlin, Yoram Ben-Zeev, told the Forward. “Now, Sarrazin has become the trigger — the spark — to get them to openly speak their minds.”

A poll conducted by the center-left Friedrich-Ebert Foundation last October, soon after the book’s publication, showed that more than 30% of Germans believe that the country “is being overrun by foreigners.” Sixty percent of Germans said they would “restrict the practice of Islam.”

In the view of Clemens Wergin, an editorial writer at Die Welt, Germany’s leading conservative newspaper, Germany’s Turkish immigrants, who make up the bulk of the country’s Muslim community, “are socialized by Muslim satellite programs.”

“The TV is on all day,” he said. “That’s why they don’t learn German fast enough when they are young. Their cultural values are different than the German cultural values that they would get from German television— which many of them are not watching.”

Many of the basic facts of the Muslim failure to integrate in Germany are not in dispute. A 2009 report by the Berlin Institute for Population and Development found that Turkish immigrants — who make up almost two-thirds of the country’s Muslims — are the least integrated ethnic group in the country, despite being the second most numerous immigrant group.

Turks were first invited into the country as guest workers in 1961, during West Germany’s post-World War II economic boom. The war’s death toll had left the democratic, Western-allied section of the divided land with huge labor shortages. Workers were needed for the country’s steel mills and mines, and for other industrial jobs. Germany negotiated an agreement with Turkey under which the latter sent 1 million of its citizens to fill these jobs — mostly desperately poor peasants from Turkey’s countryside who were often illiterate.

Neither country anticipated that these workers would stay long. But they did, and today they and their descendants constitute some 3.2 million of the country’s 4.2 million Muslim population. The overall proportion of Muslims in the population may not be that large at 5.5%, but they are concentrated in key urban areas. In Berlin, 22% of the population is Muslim; in Frankfurt, more than 30%. But until groundbreaking legislation in 2000, Germany, whose citizenship laws historically required German kinship ties, did not grant citizenship to these long-term residents, nor to their German-born children and grandchildren, who knew no other country.

Meanwhile, the industrial jobs that had brought the first generation of Turks to Germany disappeared. The second and third generations, ghettoized in poor schools and with little culture of academic achievement, failed to move into the modern high-tech sector, where the new jobs were. Living in a largely Turkish environment, many failed to learn fluent German even two or three generations into their residence in Germany. Almost all married strictly within their community, or took spouses from Turkey, thereby enlarging the family circles eligible for immigration, though not for citizenship.

“We kidded ourselves for a while that they wouldn’t stay, but that’s not the reality,” Merkel recently told her Christian Democratic Union party.

Acknowledging the failure of the multicultural concept — the co-existence of parallel German and Turkish societies — the German leader urged the nation’s Muslims to master German and respect the constitution. Germany’s Muslims, she said, “should integrate and adopt German values.”

That may be easier said than done. “There is hardly any other country in Europe where immigrants are so poorly educated,” Reiner Klingholz, a demographer and director of the Berlin Institute for Population and Development, wrote in the news magazine Der Spiegel, referring to the Turks. ”No comparative study can hide the fact that people with roots in Turkey have the greatest problems with integration.”

Sarrazin’s book has only widened this large divide. “Many Germans see Islam in their midst as an existential threat to their way of life,” said Wolfgang Benz, the recently retired head of the center for anti-Semitic research at the Technical University in Berlin. Kenan Kolat, vice president of the Turkish Community in Turkey, said that Sarrazin’s book “has given Germans permission to be openly racist.”

Kolat said that many Turks, including qualified professionals, face job discrimination and feel marginalized in Germany. Some are returning to their homeland. In 2008, the most recent year with available data, 10,147 Turks in Germany went back to their native country. The net immigration of Turks to Germany was 10,130 in 2000, but dwindled to 1,746 in 2005, according to a poll done by Der Spiegel.

Implicitly rebuking Merkel’s call for greater integration, Kolat told the Forward, “Ninety percent of Turks have been here for decades and are fully integrated, and I can’t bear to hear this discussion anymore. Integration to Germans means that Turks must adapt to German society and its values, and that is not acceptable.”

Contact Don Snyder at [email protected]

Read more: http://www.forward.com/articles/134701/#ixzz1B7eVPe8Z
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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2011, 12:03:21 PM »
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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2011, 12:09:02 PM »
Jews living in Nazi Germany are sub-human scum who have to be burned into fumes.

Muslims, have fun slaughtering those GermaNazi and Judenrat pigs!
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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2011, 01:48:28 PM »
Jews living in Nazi Germany are sub-human scum who have to be burned into fumes.

Muslims, have fun slaughtering those GermaNazi and Judenrat pigs!

Not all German Jews support that, I have a good friend who lives in Germany and is Jewish, his dad is German and mom is a Soviet Jew and a lot cannot leave because of issues like language barrier, etc. It's also not easy to just give up everything you own and leave.

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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2011, 06:14:52 PM »
Jews living in Nazi Germany are sub-human scum who have to be burned into fumes.

Muslims, have fun slaughtering those GermaNazi and Judenrat pigs!
Let's not toss out the baby with the bathwater Ron... I agree with you that Jews should for many reasons should not be living in Germany however some of them residing there would find it very hard to leave and relocate in Israel... It seems that the Jews of Germany are falling into the same trap that Jews here in America fell for back in the late 50 and early 60 when they took on the Negro struggle for so called civil rights... A segment of the Jewish population here in America fought for black civil rights and in the process lost some of their own...Jews in Germany that are fighting for Muslim civil rights will at the end of the day find themselves in the same boat... As a person who grew up during that time I understand the thinking behind the Jewish support for blacks here in America and Muslims over in Germany... The sad fact of the matter is that both minority groups would stab the very Jews that are trying to help them right in the back... Jews are a civilized people unlike the people they sometimes try to help.... Think of it this way... You jump in the water trying to help a person who is drowning once in the water the person you are trying to help is now climbing on your back to get their head above the water... The person who was trying to help ends up being the person who drowns... This is what happened to Liberal Jews here in America and it will be the same case over in Germany... The moral of the story is that no matter where Jews live they are a productive segment of society and they should never ally themselves with people that they have nothing in common with.
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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2011, 06:17:59 PM »
The reason i said they're insane is because they side with the qurananimals in Germany who hate them and want to kill them
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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2011, 06:24:59 PM »
Jews living in Nazi Germany are sub-human scum who have to be burned into fumes.

Muslims, have fun slaughtering those GermaNazi and Judenrat pigs!

THIS IS DISGUSTING THAT YOU WOULD SAY SUCH A HIDEOUSLY CHILDISH EVIL STATEMENT!!!!  :thumbsdown:  You are sounding like a troll more and more everyday.

Would you say the same thing to the Jews who decided not to leave Germany in the 30s??? Should Hitler have fun burning those JudenRat pigs and throwing the Judenrat kids in ovens, because they are so stupid not to leave Germany???  

I know a couple Jews and several gentiles who reside in Germany, and although I dont agree with their decision to stay there, I would never wish such a horrible thing.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2011, 07:38:50 PM »
THIS IS DISGUSTING THAT YOU WOULD SAY SUCH A HIDEOUSLY CHILDISH EVIL STATEMENT!!!!  :thumbsdown:  You are sounding like a troll more and more everyday.

Would you say the same thing to the Jews who decided not to leave Germany in the 30s??? Hitler should have fun burning those JudenRat pigs and throwing the Judenrat kids in ovens, because they are so stupid not to leave Germany???  

I know a couple Jews and several gentiles who reside in Germany, and although I dont agree with their decision to stay there, I would never wish such a horrible thing.

Rabbi Kahane would roll over in his grave.

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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2011, 01:44:32 AM »
THIS IS DISGUSTING THAT YOU WOULD SAY SUCH A HIDEOUSLY CHILDISH EVIL STATEMENT!!!!  
It's easy for him to say hideously evil things, because he is hideously evil. He also said things about wanting to rape Arab girls and other extremely crass things. He has a real mental problem and I think he's not only sick but a complete loose cannon. I don't know why Chaim allows him so much influence in the Hebrew forum because with this kind of attitude I think he will one day turn out to do a lot of harm.

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2011, 03:26:51 AM »
Not all German Jews support that, I have a good friend who lives in Germany and is Jewish, his dad is German and mom is a Soviet Jew and a lot cannot leave because of issues like language barrier, etc. It's also not easy to just give up everything you own and leave.

I think this islamophilia is a minority phenomenon. It is spread mainly by some funktionaries of the Central council of Jews in Germany.

The cause for this is that now the German Jews have a Concordat with the gouvernment. They get nowerdays, like the Catholics and the Lutherians, great ammounts of money for their social work.

And now they have to adjust Judaism to the will of the German politicians in order to keep the sweet sweet money - the same way the Lutherians and the Catholics have done before.

Because of this all of the three religious political instititutions support Islam, Homosexuality, Welfare and other causes and try to justify their acting with Bibel, Torah, Talmud, Catechism, Tradition etc. althrough every educated person knows in the scriptures is teached the opposite.

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2011, 03:54:06 AM »

It's hard for me to understand why Jews who identify themselves as Jews, i.e. who are not assimilated or at least totally assimilated, would want to stay in Germany, anyway.

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2011, 04:20:51 AM »
It's hard for me to understand why Jews who identify themselves as Jews, i.e. who are not assimilated or at least totally assimilated, would want to stay in Germany, anyway.
What's hard to understand...If the person was born and raised there it's a hard thing to just pack up and leave... Germany is an industrialized country with plenty of high paying jobs... Will every Jew leaving it for Israel find the same level of work and income? Relocating to a different country is a very big move for most people... It requires years of preparation...  If the person is established and has a family it's even harder...It would be hard for me to understand why a Jew would immigrate  to Germany other then to temporally work there but for Jews who were born and raised there it's an entirely different situation.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2011, 06:41:03 AM »
I read alot about Mr.Sarrazin and i don't see him as an anti Semite.Is Michael Friedman a criminal who has orgys and drugs with Teenage girls? This is a talkback from a reader 

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Michael Friedman is not only the "former vice president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany", he was kicked out of the Council because he slept with girls forced into prostitution on the white slave trade and made them take drugs (he took cocaine himsefl). He is lucky they were not underage, otherwise he'd be in jail.

Kolat is even worse. The German values he finds not acceptable include, for instance, outlawing "honor killings" of Muslim girls who behave like Germans.

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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2011, 06:55:04 AM »
The more I think about what Ron said the angrier I get. He's basically saying that any Jew who lives outside of Israel deserves to get murdered. This after what happened to 6 million of his brothers and sisters.

Oh and I saw your and Alex's "Christmas present" Ron. You really don't have any class whatsoever do you?

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2011, 06:57:57 AM »
What's hard to understand...If the person was born and raised there it's a hard thing to just pack up and leave... Germany is an industrialized country with plenty of high paying jobs... Will every Jew leaving it for Israel find the same level of work and income? Relocating to a different country is a very big move for most people... It requires years of preparation...  If the person is established and has a family it's even harder...It would be hard for me to understand why a Jew would immigrate  to Germany other then to temporally work there but for Jews who were born and raised there it's an entirely different situation.

It's hard to understand for someone who has a Jewish soul. But if you don't, yeah, why not make money in Germany ?

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2011, 07:09:17 AM »
It's hard to understand for someone who has a Jewish soul. But if you don't, yeah, why not make money in Germany ?
Honestly I don't think living in Germany is that much different than living in France or America. I actually don't preach for all Jews to live in Israel but I expect them all to know where there priorities are. I can't stand when Jews refer to themselves as "Jewish American" etc. since it means they are already half way through their assimilation.

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2011, 08:05:17 AM »
It's hard to understand for someone who has a Jewish soul. But if you don't, yeah, why not make money in Germany ?
Granted the ideal is for all Jews to return to the "Land of Israel" While I understand it is every Jew's right to immigrate there what happens to people who immigrate there and are unable to earn a living? Are there the resources to allow everyone coming in to make the transition in a way that would allow them survive without seeking social services if such a thing even exists... It's very hard for people to consider leaving an existence where they are situated and making their way for one of uncertainty...I am sure many of the  Jews living outside of Israel would love to make the move but in their heart know they would be setting themselves up for great hardships poverty not being the least of it... I have heard many stories where people made the move only to find it  impossible to remain in Israel. 
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2011, 08:11:02 AM »
"Jews living in Nazi Germany are sub-human scum who have to be burned into fumes."
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2011, 09:50:56 AM »
"Jews living in Nazi Germany are sub-human scum who have to be burned into fumes."
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I agree. If you're a Jew living outside the land of Israel, you're not a real Jew.

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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2011, 10:05:38 AM »
I agree. If you're a Jew living outside the land of Israel, you're not a real Jew.
So you agree that Jews living in the exile are "subhuman scum" ?

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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2011, 11:44:22 AM »
I agree. If you're a Jew living outside the land of Israel, you're not a real Jew.


:o I bet that's news to a lot of Jewish people.  Why is that?
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2011, 11:44:30 AM »
I agree. If you're a Jew living outside the land of Israel, you're not a real Jew.


When does the "real Jew" status kick in when the plane's wheels touch the ground in Israel or do some papers have to be filed? From some of the policy that comes out of Israel in the past 40 years I would say there are a good many less then "real Jews" there also... I get the point your trying to make but there are a great many good Jewish people that a statement like that is really hurtful to... Let's not poison the well in an effort to purify the water... It's far better to give the reasons why Jew's should live in Israel then it is to say how bad they are for not.
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2011, 12:41:03 PM »
Honestly I don't think living in Germany is that much different than living in France or America.

There is a big difference. France or America did a number of things that were wrong, but the Germans bear an overwhelming responsibility in the genocide against European jewry. They haven't paid a tenth of the price they should have paid for what they did (and not only against Jews). They haven't even supported Israel against the Arabs to begin to make up for their crimes. So there is no question that I will never speak their language, I will never pay taxes for their state, I will never work in one of their companies. I am not afraid to say loud and clear that I hate them, it's in my blood and in my guts, there is nothing that can change the way I feel and I don't give a damn what anybody thinks about it.


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Re: The Jews residing in Germany are mental cases must read
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2011, 12:52:55 PM »
Jews should move to Israel, but to say Jews not living in Israel are subhuman is the antithesis of Judaism. Jews should pray and work to get their fellow Jews to come to the land of Israel. As of now many Jews in Israel are giving Jews in the exiles every reason NOT to come to Israel. How many people want to go a country as self-destructive as Israel? Look at what the Jews in Israel are doing to themselves as they surrender territory and allow their own people to be attacked with impunity by their sworn enemies! In addition look how many secular and degenerate Israelis exist, they certainly are a big reason why millions of Chasidic Jews don't go to Israel!
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2011, 12:55:59 PM »
THIS IS DISGUSTING THAT YOU WOULD SAY SUCH A HIDEOUSLY CHILDISH EVIL STATEMENT!!!!  :thumbsdown:  You are sounding like a troll more and more everyday.

Would you say the same thing to the Jews who decided not to leave Germany in the 30s??? Should Hitler have fun burning those JudenRat pigs and throwing the Judenrat kids in ovens, because they are so stupid not to leave Germany???  

I know a couple Jews and several gentiles who reside in Germany, and although I dont agree with their decision to stay there, I would never wish such a horrible thing.

European Jews were barred by the British rulers and their Jewish collaborators, yimach shmam ve zichram, from entering the colonial Palestine in the 30s and in the 40s. They were trapped. The situation was completely different from today.