Author Topic: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?  (Read 6027 times)

0 Members and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« on: February 23, 2011, 04:57:38 PM »
I have been looking forward each day to read the news and see a picture of Libyan Mad-Dog Gadaffis ugly head on a spike.... I feel that any day now that the genocidal maniac who thinks he is a prophet of Mohamud will be beheaded and his head will be displayed on a spike...

That will be divine justice...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline The One and Only Mo

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4963
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2011, 05:23:13 PM »
I have been looking forward each day to read the news and see a picture of Libyan Mad-Dog Gadaffis ugly head on a spike.... I feel that any day now that the genocidal maniac who thinks he is a prophet of Mohamud will be beheaded and his head will be displayed on a spike...

That will be divine justice...



Amen

Offline Dr. Dan

  • Forum Administrator
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12593
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2011, 07:28:18 PM »
But first a civil war that takes millions of muslims' lives.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

Offline syyuge

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 7684
There are thunders and sparks in the skies, because Faraday invented the electricity.

Offline IsraeliGovtAreKapos

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4384
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 03:02:17 AM »
Qaddafi is a dumb honest Nazi. We need him in power.

Offline angryChineseKahanist

  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *********
  • Posts: 10542
  • ☭=卐=☮
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 09:06:20 AM »
No way! He's doing great work! He's doing what the dumb infidel won't.
He's already racked up 1000 points.
U+262d=U+5350=U+9774

Offline Zelhar

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 10687
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2011, 09:31:33 AM »
No it wouldn't be good at all. Qaddafi is the type of Arab leader that is relatively good for Israel. He is weak, his country is poor backward and fragmented, he is against the peace process, yet he can't effectively hurt Israel by terror or wars.

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2011, 11:14:54 AM »
I fail to see why people here are supporting this monster. Maybe some people just like to have someone they can hate... But I believe in divine justice and when Gadaffi gets his it will be awesome... Same with all these terrorist nazis...

So have your fun Zelhar, AKC, and RBM while you can... Your genocidal hero will soon be taking a dirt nap...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline angryChineseKahanist

  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *********
  • Posts: 10542
  • ☭=卐=☮
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2011, 12:16:43 PM »
No sir. Nobody "supports" this guy. I just like what he doing to his own people that's all. Something that the infidels should do: kill muslims.
After he is done killing his own people, he can be shipped to California for you to mutilate to death.
U+262d=U+5350=U+9774

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2011, 12:21:35 PM »
No sir. Nobody "supports" this guy. I just like what he doing to his own people that's all. Something that the infidels should do: kill muslims.
After he is done killing his own people, he can be shipped to California for you to mutilate to death.


Ok, I was hoping that was the case. There is no other redeeming quality for this guy. Just look at his ugly face and slap it...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline Kerber

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 699
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2011, 03:42:58 PM »
If you support overthrowing Gadaffi, then you should prepare for Islamic fanatics to come on power.
All those simultaneous "revolutions" are arranged from abroad so that Islamic fanatics and radicals could gather as some kind of united strength. He is not willing to make war or something like that with Israel,nor he wants to give Lybian oil and gas fields to criminals. He is going to burn the oil fields if the situation becomes too dangerous for him.

It's really interesting to see a lot of lies in foreign media. Gadaffi studied pilot academy in ex-Yugoslavia, so he has a good relations with Serbia and very friendly feelings to Serbian people. When my country was under sanctions from EU and USA , he was the only one who delivered us oil, against the will of USA and EU. He said many times "I don't care who is on the power there, I'm a friend of that nation/people".
So, many Serbian citizens work(ed) in Lybia, on their infrastructures,hospitals,energy systems, in the Army, his security, he buys weapons from Serbia, all the country is built by Serbians(in the time of ex-Yugoslavia). Thousands of Europenas are awaiting on the airports to leave the state, but Gadaffi won't let the airplanes to come from their countries like UK,Germany,France,... but, what's interesting is that he immediately granted our airplanes to land and evacuate our citizens. Many Serbian citizens who have returned to their homes said that the situation(especially in Tripoli) is not like the media reports. They say that the people is celebrating their leader in Tripoli and number of killed  is not like in the the reports from EU leaders and media.

I'm not defending Gadaffi or something like that, but it is interesting for me to see a lot of lies about the situation in Lybia so the EU leaders could start a war against Lybia, capture the oil and gas fields and bring Islamic fanatics. That's something we all have seen in Serbia. It is very familiar to us.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 03:48:11 PM by Kerber »

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2011, 03:57:15 PM »
Are you freaking serious Kerber?

Gadaffi was behind the Lockerbie Bombing, has made repeated threats against Israel, and has been a destabilizing force in the region.

I dont care how friendly the man appears... He is a sick dog and should die painfully..

And what difference does it make if he will be replaced with another Islamist? That one will also be destroyed...

As many others here have argued, better a leader who clearly says his intentions than one who hides them...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2011, 04:09:10 PM »
Here are some links to stories which indicate what Gaddifi thinks about Jews and Israel:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/142350
Quote
Libyan dictator Muammer Gaddafi has called for a mass Arab march on Israel, in an attempt to force Israel into accepting Arab demands. He directed his call to Palestinian Authority Arabs and to the millions of Arabs who define themselves as “Palestinian refugees” that seek to “return” to Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/gaddafi-israel-not-sudan-to-blame-for-crisis-in-darfur-1.270859

Quote
Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, the current African Union president, on Tuesday accused "foreign forces" including Israel of being behind the Darfur conflict.

Judges from the International Criminal Court are due to announce on March 4 whether they will issue a warrant for the arrest of Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir over allegations that he masterminded genocide in Sudan's Darfur region. UN diplomats have told Reuters the warrant will be issued.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2009/01/22/idINIndia-37599020090122
Quote
(Reuters) - The Gaza war will be followed by more violence until Israelis and Palestinians create a state called "Isratine" where they can live together in peace, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi said in remarks published on Thursday.

Gaddafi, who once called for Israel's Jews to be thrown into the sea, expressed support for the right of Jews to have a homeland, despite simmering anger in Libya and elsewhere against Israel because of the Gaza violence, but added the only way out of a cycle of hatred was for them to live with Palestinians in a single state.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7450000.stm
Quote

Gaddafi attacks Obama on Israel
Muammar Gaddafi speech
Col Gaddafi was conciliatory up until his comments about candidate Obama

Libya's leader has strongly criticised US presidential candidate Barack Obama for saying Jerusalem should remain the undivided capital of Israel.

Col Muammar Gaddafi said he was either ignorant of the Middle East conflict or lying to boost his campaign.

Mr Obama was speaking to pro-Israel lobbyists in the US last week.

So obviously Gadaffi wants to provoke the world against Israel... I guess that is OK with you...

How about his involvement in acts of terrorism against America?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_al-Gaddafi

Quote
Throughout the 1970s, his regime was implicated in subversion and terrorist activities in both Arab and non-Arab countries. By the mid-1980s, he was widely regarded in the West as the principal financier of international terrorism. Reportedly, Gaddafi was a major financier of the "Black September Movement" which perpetrated the Munich massacre at the 1972 Summer Olympics, and was accused by the United States of being responsible for direct control of the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing  that killed three people and wounded more than 200, of whom a substantial number were U.S. servicemen. He is also said to have paid "Carlos the Jackal" to kidnap and then release a number of Saudi Arabian and Iranian oil ministers.[citation needed]

.
.
.
 In October 2008 Libya paid $1.5 billion into a fund which will be used to compensate relatives of the

   1. Lockerbie bombing victims with the remaining 20%;
   2. American victims of the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing;
   3. American victims of the 1989 UTA Flight 772 bombing; and,
   4. Libyan victims of the 1986 US bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline Kerber

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 699
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2011, 04:09:38 PM »
Are you freaking serious Kerber?

Gadaffi was behind the Lockerbie Bombing, has made repeated threats against Israel, and has been a destabilizing force in the region.

I dont care how friendly the man appears... He is a sick dog and should die painfully..

And what difference does it make if he will be replaced with another Islamist? That one will also be destroyed...

As many others here have argued, better a leader who clearly says his intentions than one who hides them...


The time has changed. He is not "active" as he was. You can't see he is calling or preparing for any kind of war.
And before all, he is a socialist-islamist.  That's different from basic Islam and Islamic fanatism.

So, I am serious. He is better than pure Islamic fanatics. If the fanatics come to power, you can count on huge war, very soon.

Offline syyuge

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 7684
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2011, 04:10:34 PM »
Gaddafi is no different from all other muslamics on the globe. So all global muslamics shall face the same fate as that of Gaddafi in the end.
There are thunders and sparks in the skies, because Faraday invented the electricity.

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2011, 04:11:06 PM »
Justice, Justice you will pursue

Do will still execute Nazis? I think we should no matter how many years have passed and how many good deeds they claim that they do...

It is better to fight a hot war and win than a cold war and lose...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2011, 04:13:53 PM »
On a similar note the same can be said about Yessir Arafag...

When I was growing up Arafag was the biggest terrorist with much Jewish blood on his hands.... Yet 20 years later he was seen as an aging statesman, a peace partner for Israel, etc.... They all are trash and should be destroyed...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline Kerber

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 699
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2011, 04:16:13 PM »
Here are some links to stories which indicate what Gaddifi thinks about Jews and Israel:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/142350
http://www.haaretz.com/news/gaddafi-israel-not-sudan-to-blame-for-crisis-in-darfur-1.270859

http://in.reuters.com/article/2009/01/22/idINIndia-37599020090122
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7450000.stm
So obviously Gadaffi wants to provoke the world against Israel... I guess that is OK with you...

How about his involvement in acts of terrorism against America?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_al-Gaddafi

He is not the one who is willing to start the war. He barks, but that's all.

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2011, 04:17:50 PM »
He is not the one who is willing to start the war. He barks, but that's all.

The damage he did, sitting in the United Nations, is worse than anything. His destruction is required for real progress to occur.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2011, 04:18:34 PM »
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/qaddafi-we-reject-terrorism-and-we-do-not-abandon-jihad.html


Qaddafi: "We reject terrorism and we do not abandon Jihad"

Yes, but jihad to what end? If Qaddafi means jihad in order to subjugate non-Muslims and women under the hegemony of Islamic law, then he ought to be opposed just as energetically, if not more so, than if he had endorsed terrorist acts. The focus in the West has been entirely on the means -- terrorism -- and not to the slightest degree on the purpose of that terrorism. And that has been to our great detriment. "Gaddafi: We Reject Terrorism, We Never Abandon Jihad," from the Tripoli Post, February 28:

    Speaking on Thursday on the holy occasion of the birth of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), the Leader of the Revolution condemned continuous attempts to equate Islam with terrorism saying that Jihad or armed struggle is a duty and part of the Muslim faith.

Will CAIR issue a statement condemning Qaddafi's Misunderstanding of Islam? Don't hold your breath.

    He demanded that Muslims declare Jihad against Switzerland and called on the Palestinians to continue their struggle to liberate their occupied homeland.

    Leader Gaddafi called on a huge gathering of Muslims to start defending Islam and Muslims that have been subjected to attack everywhere.

    The huge crowed which gathered in Benghazi, over 1000 kms east of Tripoli, included delegations who came from more than 90 countries including presidents, prime ministers, kings and VIPs from all over the Islamic world.

    Gaddafi said while we reject terrorism of any kind such as that of Al Qaeda, we are entitled to armed struggle to defend ourselves, homes and holy places.

    "They want to prevent Muslims from undertaking Jihad which means 'struggle' by calling it 'terrrorism'," Gaddafi said.

    By doing so, they aim at terrorizing us so we would not be able to defend ourselves, Gaddafi stressed.

    "They destroy mosques in Switzerland, they destroy Al-Aqsa mosque, and they commit aggression against our sanctities and attack our homes as we keep silent. When we react they call our actions terrorism.

    "We will not abandon Jihad because it is Islamic duty," he said. "It is the defense of oneself, defense of religion, defense of the Prophet, defense of the Qura'an ... defense of the Al-Aqsa Mosque and defense of our independence."

    "Any Muslim anywhere in the world buys Swiss goods is an apostate. The one who does so is against Islam, against Prophet Mohammad, against Allah and against Qura'an."

    "The masses of Muslims must go to all airports in the Islamic world and prevent any Swiss plane landing, to all harbors and prevent any Swiss ships docking, inspect all shops and markets to stop any Swiss goods being sold," Gaddafi said.

    Those who made fun of the Prophet and destroying Al-Aqsa mosque should not be dealt with in anyway and should not be hugged. "Those who do so are not related to Islam."

    "We reject terrorism and we do not abandon Jihad"

    "It must be clear that the holy Palestinian struggle is Jihad and it is not terrorism," Gaddafi stressed. In Palestine, people are fighting to liberate their country from Zionist occupation, they fight to liberate prisoners from Zionist prisons, they fight to go back to their villages that were occupied in 1948 and 1967, they fight for the return and to its farm that was occupied. All this is holy struggle, it the holiest of struggles," Gaddafi said.



PS: One day soon we will destroy that Al-Aqsa 'mosque' and place the Third Temple where it belongs..


You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline Kerber

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 699
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2011, 04:20:12 PM »
Justice, Justice you will pursue

Do will still execute Nazis? I think we should no matter how many years have passed and how many good deeds they claim that they do...

It is better to fight a hot war and win than a cold war and lose...


Well, I don't know where you live, but let me tell you pray to G-d never to feel a war.
It's not a Hollywood movie.
When you start to lose your dearest, everything changes. It's horrifying. :)

Offline TheCoon

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2081
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2011, 04:20:44 PM »
Muman, you'll get a kick out of this. CNN just showed a picture of some Libyan nazi protester holding up a poster of Gaddafi's head drawn onto a pig with a big Star of David plastered onto the pig's back. I guess Gaddafi is an Israeli sympathizer and too pro-Israel for the Libyan protesters! He is an agent of the JOOOOOOOs!!!

My hope is that Gaddafi keeps power and massacres every last one of these inhuman savage beasts that call themselves Libyan muslims. I hope Israel is ready to deal with the wave of islamic iran-wannabe republics lead by clerics that are going to pop up over the next few years. If not, many Jews will die in the coming war.
The city isn't what it used to be. It all happened so fast. Everything went to crap. It's like... everyone's sense of morals just disappeared. Bad economy made things worse. Jobs started drying up, then the stores had to shut down. Then a black man was elected president. He was supposed to change things. He didn't. More and more people turned to crime and violence... The town becomes gripped with fear. Dark times, dark times... I am the hero this town needs. I am... The Coon!!!

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2011, 04:20:51 PM »
Well, I don't know where you live, but let me tell you pray to G-d never to feel a war.
It's not the Hollywood movie.
When you start to lose your dearest, everything changes. It's horrifying. :)

My brother was taken in the first attack on America. He died in the World Trade center on 9/11... I am prepared to kill some Mofos...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2011, 04:22:42 PM »
Muman, you'll get a kick out of this. CNN just showed a picture of some Libyan nazi protester holding up a poster of Gaddafi's head drawn onto a pig with a big Star of David plastered onto the pig's back. I guess Gaddafi is an Israeli sympathizer and too pro-Israel for the Libyan protesters! He is an agent of the JOOOOOOOs!!!

My hope is that Gaddafi keeps power and massacres every last one of these inhuman savage beasts that call themselves Libyan muslims. I hope Israel is ready to deal with the wave of islamic iran-wannabe republics lead by clerics that are going to pop up over the next few years. If not, many Jews will die in the coming war.

Yes, I believe that... It is easy to make the arab masses do what you want as long as you can harness their hatred of Jews... We saw that in Egypt, in Tunisia, and in Yemen also...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline Kerber

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 699
Re: How sweet will it be? To see Gadaffis head on a spike?
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2011, 04:23:22 PM »
My brother was taken in the first attack on America. He died in the World Trade center on 9/11... I am prepared to kill some Mofos...


I'm very sorry for you and your brother, but do not let to be led by hate.
If you didn't survive a war , you don't know what it is.
Do not hope for a war.