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What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« on: September 07, 2011, 04:43:37 PM »

The group referred to in Latin as "sicarii" was a group of Zealots or members of the fourth philosophy ("sicarii" meaning "dagger men" as they fought with a long, curved knife). What distinguished them from the other zealots was that they had a policy of killing Jews. They raided Jewish habitations and killed Jews they considered apostate and collaborators by cutting their throats.
Do you think they were right ? What do you think would modern "sicarii" do to Jews who are different from them ? 

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 05:03:06 PM »
Wait, are you saying that these sicari were Jews who cut the throats of other Jews whom they considered apostates?  I don't understand your post.

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 05:16:02 PM »
I think they were largely responsible for the fall of the second temple. I think that Rabban Johanan ben Zakai, the greatest rabbinical authority at the time, opposed the zealots, and he also had to sneak pass them because they refused to let anyone out of Jerusalem during the siege.

Nowadays, there is a group of scummy violent ultrazealot charedim dubbed "sicarikim". Their victims are often other charedim who don't conform to their ridiculous demands. In other cases they attack and harass secular and national religious people in an attempt to push them out of mixed neighborhoods. 

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 06:23:32 PM »
בס''ד

Jewish zealotry is praised in the Torah. The concept of zealously fighting to save the Jewish people is regarded as noble.

This has often included killing self-hating traitors:

*After the sin of the Golden Calf, Moshe Rabeinu (Moses our teacher) gave the children of Israel the chance to repent for their terrible sin and to return to Hashem. Some of the Erev Rav refused to repent. Moses responded to their refusal by ordering the Levites to kill all 3000 who refused to change their evil ways.

*When Korach and his supporters challenged and ridiculed Moshe's leadership, Moshe prayed for Hashem to destroy them. The earth swallowed them up, killing almost all of them. Korach's sons survived because they sincerely repented, and they eventually wrote several of the psalms. But almost all of Korach's followers were killed.

*Zimri Ben Salu, the leader of the tribe Shimon, was engaging in an open sexual relationship with Cozbi Bat Tzur of the enemy Midianites. Moshe and the other leaders did not act against Zimri, and so Hashem started a plague that killed 24,000 Hebrews. Finally, Pinchas "took the law into his own hands" and killed both Zimri and Cozbi. The plague stopped immediately and Hashem Himself greatly praised Pinhas for his zealousness and declared that Pinchas and all generations of his children and their children would forever be priests. Hashem also says in the Torah that Pinchas prevented Him from destroying the Jewish people completely, chas veshalom (G-d forbid).

*The Macabees killed Jewish Hellenists (Jews who adopted the Western culture of Greece and who supported the Greek occupation of the land of Israel). Killing Jewish Hellenist traitors was a key element in the Macabee revolt that we celebrate on Chanukah.

So Jewish zealotry is actually a sacred part of authentic Torah Judaism.

The destruction of the Second Temple was caused by sinat Chinam (needless hatred) between Jews. When Jews invited the Romans into the land of Israel to help them fight the Greeks and to help them fight their fellow Jews, this is what eventually led to the destruction of the Second Temple. The Romans that Jews invited into the land would eventually destroy ancient Israel and exterminate most of the world's Jews.


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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 06:43:58 PM »
I think they were largely responsible for the fall of the second temple. I think that Rabban Johanan ben Zakai, the greatest rabbinical authority at the time, opposed the zealots, and he also had to sneak pass them because they refused to let anyone out of Jerusalem during the siege.

Nowadays, there is a group of scummy violent ultrazealot charedim dubbed "sicarikim". Their victims are often other charedim who don't conform to their ridiculous demands. In other cases they attack and harass secular and national religious people in an attempt to push them out of mixed neighborhoods.  

Yes the Talmud records the fact that these zealots were also responsible for the fall of the second Temple. I learned about this while studying the story of Kamza & BarKamza...

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The biryoni11  were then in the city. The Rabbis said to them: Let us go out and make peace with them [the Romans]. They would not let them, but on the contrary said, Let us go out and fight them. The Rabbis said: You will not succeed. They then rose up and burnt the stores of wheat and barley so that a famine ensued. Martha the daughter of Boethius was one of the richest women in Jerusalem. She sent her man-servant out saying, Go and bring me some fine flour. By the time he went it was sold out. He came and told her, There is no fine flour, but there is white [flour]. She then said to him, Go and bring me some. By the time he went he found the white flour sold out. He came and told her, There is no white flour but there is dark flour. She said to him, Go and bring me some. By the time he went it was sold out. He returned and said to her, There is no dark flour, but there is barley flour. She said, Go and bring me some. By the time he went this was also sold out. She had taken off her shoes, but she said, I will go out and see if I can find anything to eat. Some dung stuck to her foot and she died.12  Rabban Johanan b. Zakkai applied to her the verse, The tender and delicate woman among you which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground.13  Some report that she ate a fig left by R. Zadok, and became sick and died. For R. Zadok observed fasts for forty years in order that Jerusalem might not be destroyed, [and he became so thin that] when he ate anything the food could be seen [as it passed through his throat.] When he wanted to restore himself, they used to bring him a fig, and he used to suck the juice and throw the rest away. When Martha was about to die, she brought out all her gold and silver and threw it in the street, saying, What is the good of this to me, thus giving effect to the verse, They shall cast their silver in the streets.14


11 Perhaps = palace guards (from biryah). The reference is obviously to the Zealot bands who defended Jerusalem.

These 'zealots' burned down the storehouses of wheat and supplies in order to hasten a war against Rome... The Rabbis and Sages considered it a very bad strategy in this situation...


But as Chaim points out there are certainly occasions which require zealous action by Jews...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 06:54:39 PM »
http://www.meaningfullife.com/torah/parsha/bamidbar/pinchas/The_Zealot.php

The Zealot

And G-d spoke to Moses, saying: “Pinchas, the son of Elazer, the son of Aaron the Kohen, turned away My wrath from the children of Israel, with his zealotry for My sake... Therefore... I shall grant him My covenant of peace...''

Numbers 25:11-12

Pinchas' deed evokes many associations - courage, decisiveness and religious passion are several that come to mind - but “peace” hardly seems one of them. Pinchas, after all, killed two people. True, what he did was allowed, and condoned, by Torah law, and his doing so saved many lives; still, one does not usually think of homicide as a peaceful act.

As the Torah tells it, the wicked prophet Bilaam, having failed to undermine Israel's special relationship with G-d by harping on Israel's past sins, had an idea. “Their G-d abhors promiscuity,” he said to Balak, the Moabite king who had hired him to place a curse on Israel. Corrupt them with the daughters of your realm, and you will provoke His wrath upon them.

This time Bilaam succeeded. Many Jews, particularly from the tribe of Shimon, were enticed by the Midianite harlots who descended upon the Israelite encampment in the Shittim valley, and were even induced to serve Baal Pe'or, the pagan god of their consorts. When tribunals were set up by Moses to try and punish the idolaters, Zimri, the leader of Shimon, sought to legitimize his tribe's sins by publicly taking a Midianite woman into his tent, “before the eyes of Moses and the eyes of the entire community of Israel.”

Moses and the nations' elders were at loss at what to do. Torah law does not provide for any conventional, court-induced punishment for such an offender. There is a law that gives license for “zealots to smite him,” but this provision escaped Moses and the entire Jewish leadership. Only Pinchas remembered it, and had the fortitude to carry it through. He killed Zimri and the Midianite, stopping a plague that had begun to rage as the result of G-d's wrath against His people.[1]

The Grandfather Issue

The Talmud, referring to G-d's opening words to Moses quoted above, asks: The Torah has already told us who Pinchas is, back in the sixth chapter of Exodus and again, but a few short verses before, in Numbers 25:7. Why does the Torah again refer to him as “Pinchas, the son of Elazar, the son of Aaron”?

Rashi, quoting the Talmud and Midrash, explains:

“Because the tribes of Israel were mocking him, saying ‘Have you seen this son of the fattener, whose mother's father fattened calves for idolatrous sacrifices, and now he goes and kills a prince in Israel?!’ Therefore, G-d traced his lineage to Aaron.”[2] (Pinchas' maternal grandfather was Jethro, who prior to his conversion to Judaism, was a pagan priest).

This explanation, however, seems to raise more questions than it answers:

(a) What set “the tribes of Israel” against Pinchas? The animosity of one tribe, the tribe of Shimon, would be understandable: he killed their leader and put an end to their pagan orgy. But why was he condemned by the entire community of Israel, most of whom were outraged by Zimri's act and were doubtless grateful for Pinchas' stopping the plague?

(b) Of what possible relevance is Jethro's past? If Pinchas acted wrongly, then he is guilty of much worse than having a grandfather who fattened calves for slaughter. “Murderer” would be more apt than “fattener's grandson.” And if it was acknowledged that killing Zimri was the right thing to do, why was the young hero and saviour of his people being mocked?

(c) If, for whatever reason, Pinchas is to be faulted because of Jethro's idolatrous past, why dwell on the fact that he “fattened calves for slaughter”? What about the fact that he was a pagan priest who had “served every idol in the world”? [3]

(d) Whatever the complaint against Pinchas was, how is it refuted by the fact that he was Aaron's grandson?

Who Is A Zealot?

The nature of Zimri's crime made his killing an extremely sensitive moral issue. On the one hand, the Torah deems what he did as deserving of death. On the other hand, it does not entrust the carrying out of the sentence to the normal judiciary process, ruling instead that “zealots should smite him.” Who, then qualifies as a zealot? When a sentence is carried out after the “due process” of a trial and conviction, there is less of a need to agonize over the motives of the judges and executioner: they're going by the book, and we can check their behavior against the book. But the motives of the zealot who takes unilateral action are extremely important, for his very qualifications as a “zealot” hinge upon the question of what, exactly, prompted him to do what he did. Is he truly motivated to still G-d's wrath, or has he found a holy outlet for his individual aggression? Is his act truly an act of peace, driven by the desire to reconcile an errant people with their G-d, or is it an act of violence, made kosher by the assumption of the label “zealot”?

The true zealot is an utterly selfless individual - one who is concerned only about the relationship between G-d and His people, with no thought for his own feelings on the matter. The moment his personal prejudices and inclinations are involved, he ceases to be a zealot.[4]

Thus, the above questions answer each other. The “tribes of Israel” knew that the case of Zimri warranted the law that “Zealots smite him.” But they were skeptical of Pinchas' motivations. Why is it, they asked, that no one--not Moses, not the elders, no one in the entire leadership of Israel - was moved to assume the role of zealot, save for the Pinchas, “youngest of the band”?[5] Was Pinchas the most caring and selfless one of them all? Far more likely, said they, is that what we have here is an angry young man who thinks he found a Torah-sanctioned outlet for his aggression. A bit of digging around in the skeletons of the Pinchas family closet only re-enforced their initial doubts. Of course! Look at his grandfather! Few professions are as inhumane as the fattening of calves for slaughter. The fact that Jethro was an idolator is not what is relevant here, but his nature and personality - Pinchas must have inherited his grandfather's natural cruelty, and proceeded to clothe it in the holy vestments of zealotry.

So G-d explicitly attached Pinchas' name to Aaron, the gentlest, most peace-loving man that Israel knew. Aaron, the “lover of peace and pursuer of peace, one who loves humanity and brings them close to Torah.”[6] In character and temperament, G-d was attesting, Pinchas takes after his other grandfather, Aaron. Not only is he not inclined to violence - it is the very antithesis of his natural temperament. Pinchas is a man of peace, who did what he did with the sole aim of  “turning away My wrath from the children of Israel.”

Two Hypocrites

This also explains the significance of another statement by Rashi. After emphasizing that Pinchas was Aaron's grandson, the Torah writes “And the name of the smitten Israelite, who was smitten with the Midianite, was Zimri the son of Salu, a tribal prince of the Shimonites.” On which Rashi comments, “On the same occasion that the righteous one's lineage was cited in praise, the wicked one's lineage was cited in detriment.” But what “detriment” is there in Zimri's being a Shimonite prince?

Those who looked with a negative eye on Pinchas' motives, saw his “cruelty” even more strongly underscored when contrasted with the motives of the man he killed. Pinchas slew a man, while that man was engaged in an act of “love”; Pinchas was giving vent to his own violent passions, while Zimri acted out of a selfless concern for his constituents, putting his own life on the line (for surely he knew that some “zealot” might take it upon himself to kill him) to save his tribe through his bold attempt to legitimize their sins. If Pinchas did the right thing, he did it for all the wrong reasons, while Zimri might have done a wrong thing, but was motivated by an altruistic love for his people.

G-d, who knows the heart of every man, spoke to dispel this distorted picture. Pinchas, He attested, inherited the peace-loving nature of his grandfather, while Zimri was every inch a descendent of Shimon, whom Jacob rebuked for his heated and violent nature.[7]

Indeed, the Talmud describes a hypocrite as “one who does the deeds of Zimri, and asks to be rewarded like Pinchas.”[8] Zimri's “kindness” was the ultimate hypocrisy: instead of fulfilling his role as the leader of his people by prevailing upon them to cease the behavior that was destroying them, he pursued the fulfillment of his own passions, without regard to the terrible consequences to their spiritual and physical well-being - all the while disguising his act as selfless and self-sacrificial. In contrast, Pinchas' deed was “hypocritical” in the positive sense: ostensibly violent and cruel, but in truth a selfless act of peace.

Based on the Rebbe's talks, Shabbat Pinchas 5725 (July 24, 1965)[9] and on other occasions



[1] Numbers, ch. 25; Rashi, ibid; Talmud, Sanhedrin 81b-82b and 106a.

[2] Talmud, Sanhedrin 82b, and Midrash Rabbah, Bamidbar 21:3, as quoted by Rashi on verse.

[3] Midrash Tanchuma, Yitro 7.

[4] Thus, the law that “zealots smite him” falls under the unique legal category of “a law that is not instructed”: if a would-be zealot comes to the court and inquires if he is permitted to “smite” a transgressor, he is not given license to do so (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Forbidden Relations, 12:5). Indeed, the very fact that he has come to ask disqualifies him---someone who needs to ensure, in advance, that he is backed by the court, is no zealot. The true zealot has no thought for himself: not of his feelings on the matter, not of his personal safety, not even of the moral and spiritual implications of his act on his own self---he doesn't even care if what he is doing is “legal” of not. He is simply determined to put an end to a situation that incurs the divine wrath against Israel(see Likkutei Sichot, vol. II pp. 344-346).

[5] Midrash Rabbah, Bamidbar 20:25.

[6] Ethics of the Fathers, 1:11. Again, what is relevant is not Aaron's spiritual station as Kohen Gadol, or “high priest” to G-d (in contrast to Jethro, who served as priest to idols), but Aaron's nature and personality. This explains why Rashi, in quoting the Talmud and Midrash, omits the reference to Aaron as “the Kohen,” despite the fact that it appears in the verse and all Rashi's sources (!)

[7] Genesis 49:5.

[8] Talmud, Sotah 22b.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 08:25:42 AM »
Wait, are you saying that these sicari were Jews who cut the throats of other Jews whom they considered apostates? 

Yes.

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2011, 09:12:03 AM »

I am not talking about zealots in general but about a special group among them called the sicari.

I am all in favour of inflicting the most severe punishments to real traitors, such as the Judenrats who collaborated with German Nazis or the Jews who collaborated with the Greek occupier or the Jews who collaborate with the Arab ennemy today for example, because a lot of innocent Jews died as a result of these traitorous actions. But I am concerned about a possible confusion between "traitors", that is, Jews who deliberately support ennemies of the Jews, and loyal Jews who fight Jew-haters with as much determination as zealots but who may have a different interpretation of Judaism and the Jewish life than the one proclaimed by a few zealots to be the only admissible one. Zealotry should not be confused with intolerance and bigotry leading to cruelty exerted against good Jews under the pretense of serving a twisted concept of religious purity.

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2011, 12:29:21 AM »
Zealots are righteous.  But the sicarii were nuts.  Sometimes zealots can be too nuts for their own good.  The sicarii also destroyed the food supplies to force people to fight.  I understand the spirit behind something like that but ... it's nuts!

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2011, 09:48:07 AM »
I am not talking about zealots in general but about a special group among them called the sicari.

I am all in favour of inflicting the most severe punishments to real traitors, such as the Judenrats who collaborated with German Nazis or the Jews who collaborated with the Greek occupier or the Jews who collaborate with the Arab ennemy today for example, because a lot of innocent Jews died as a result of these traitorous actions. But I am concerned about a possible confusion between "traitors", that is, Jews who deliberately support ennemies of the Jews, and loyal Jews who fight Jew-haters with as much determination as zealots but who may have a different interpretation of Judaism and the Jewish life than the one proclaimed by a few zealots to be the only admissible one. Zealotry should not be confused with intolerance and bigotry leading to cruelty exerted against good Jews under the pretense of serving a twisted concept of religious purity.

Pure garbage.

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2011, 10:01:25 AM »
Pure garbage.

Well, that's what I call a brilliant comment... By the way, what happened to your dagger ?
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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2011, 01:03:21 PM »
Yaakov did you read Josephus' "War of the Jews" ?

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2011, 01:22:23 PM »
Yaakov did you read Josephus' "War of the Jews" ?

No, I haven't. Should I ? (I guess the answer is yes...)

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2011, 02:35:38 PM »
No, I haven't. Should I ? (I guess the answer is yes...)
Yes, and if you are interested in the sicarii especially so since Josephus gives a contemporary account of them.

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2011, 02:43:09 PM »
Yes, and if you are interested in the sicarii especially so since Josephus gives a contemporary account of them.

All right, that's one more on a long list of books I know I should read but can't find the time to !
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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2011, 03:23:00 PM »
Pure garbage.

Hey, dagger boy, is that you on your new pic, looking like Spider Man ? Or is it Lawrence of Arabia ? You think you'll scare the IDF by dressing up ?

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2011, 12:03:16 AM »
Hey, dagger boy, is that you on your new pic, looking like Spider Man ? Or is it Lawrence of Arabia ? You think you'll scare the IDF by dressing up ?

If every Arab baby with a rock can make your soldiers run like kittens:



then dressing up as an Arab would be enough to crush the IDF

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2011, 12:06:21 AM »
Yaakov did you read Josephus' "War of the Jews" ?

I don't think it's permitted to read Kapo Josephus' work. I only know that the Hebrew version of it, "Yosefun" (יוסיפון) is allowed
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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2011, 03:16:00 AM »
If every Arab baby with a rock can make your soldiers run like kittens:



then dressing up as an Arab would be enough to crush the IDF


You should not trust Arab videos. Almost all of them are deceitful and designed to fabricate spurious evidence. In this case, I'm sure the IDF soldier does not run away because he's scared of the Arab child. There are probably other Arabs behind the child that are threatening him and the camera doesn't show them in order to make the Israeli soldier look like a ridiculous coward.

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2011, 03:23:38 AM »
I don't think it's permitted to read Kapo Josephus' work. I only know that the Hebrew version of it, "Yosefun" (יוסיפון) is allowed

What do you mean, it's not "permitted" ? Even if Josephus is a "Kapo", it can be useful to know what he says. It's better to understand how your ennemy thinks and lies if you want to fight him effectively. Obviously, reading him doesn't mean you agree with him or you give him any kind of credit or legitimacy.

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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2011, 04:13:17 AM »
You should not trust Arab videos. Almost all of them are deceitful and designed to fabricate spurious evidence. In this case, I'm sure the IDF soldier does not run away because he's scared of the Arab child. There are probably other Arabs behind the child that are threatening him and the camera doesn't show them in order to make the Israeli soldier look like a ridiculous coward.

This one is real. It's a real case from 1994, one or two days after Baruch Goldstein's purification of Me'arat Ha'Machpela.  He was heiled and loved by the Zionist media for months, invited to every host show in Israel to speak about his story

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2011, 04:19:11 AM »
The Sicari must be reformed at once and sent on missions around the world! >:(

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2011, 04:23:00 AM »
What do you mean, it's not "permitted" ? Even if Josephus is a "Kapo", it can be useful to know what he says. It's better to understand how your ennemy thinks and lies if you want to fight him effectively. Obviously, reading him doesn't mean you agree with him or you give him any kind of credit or legitimacy.

Josephus Flavius betrayed us and joined the Roman Nazis. How is he NOT a Kapo?

Regarding his work, Josephus' work is considered to be a Sefer Hitzoni (ספר חיצוני) and much of what he writes are obvious lies. There might be an issur for reading his work, but I'm not sure. So even if I don't know, I don't takes risks. That's what Jews do. And what you say about his work can be said about the New Testicle.

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2011, 04:34:36 AM »
This one is real. It's a real case from 1994, one or two days after Baruch Goldstein's purification of Me'arat Ha'Machpela.  He was heiled and loved by the Zionist media for months, invited to every host show in Israel to speak about his story

I don't believe that the IDF soldier runs away because he's afraid of the little child. I'm sure there must be a greater danger that is not shown by the film.

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Re: What do you think of the zealots known in Latin as "sicarii" ?
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2011, 04:36:28 AM »
You don't believe that as well?

http://www.hakolhayehudi.co.il/?p=13940&cpage

Your soldiers are unimagineable cowards. They can only attack little Jewish children sitting on the floor of their homes in outposts but run like your average rat from every Arab kid with a stone
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