Author Topic: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?  (Read 1225 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline christians4jews

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 1030
Are you for or against it. What evidence scientifically using crime stats can you use to show that the death penalty does or doesn't work?


Offline Jacob_Levi

  • Junior JTFer
  • **
  • Posts: 36
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2013, 11:05:08 AM »
I cannot speak for JTF. But as a person I am pro-death penalty. Including crimes that are aggravated. Meaning if you use a weapon in the commission of a crime. That person loses the right to life. This would include robbery and rape.

The reason I support the idea is based on repeat offenders. We usually see a long criminal history of the offender. By stopping it the first time. There is certain to be no second time. It is not state sanctioned murder. It is simply the removal of persons that compromise a safe society. Releasing a person who would use a weapon against another in the commission of a crime warrants removal. It also acts as an example to others who would consider those crimes.

Killing and Murder are two entirely different things.
טוב להיות זנב לאריות מאשר ראש לשועלים

Offline Rubystars

  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *********
  • Posts: 18307
  • Extreme MAGA Republican
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2013, 11:26:44 AM »
Death penalty for Murder:

Premeditated murder, murder of children, any kind of serial murder (these are mostly gang related shootings, where someone will kill someone in a rival gang, and then kill another person during other criminal activity, etc., but can also be the media-style serial killer scenario).

Death penalthy for active Pedophilia:

Any sex by an adult with anyone 14 or younger for any reason with or without so-called consent. Child molestation should also incur the death penalty.

Producing or selling child pornography should incur an automatic death penalty.

Child sex trafficking/prostitution of any kind should incur the death penalty for adults involved.

Offline Jacob_Levi

  • Junior JTFer
  • **
  • Posts: 36
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2013, 11:45:33 AM »
Trafficking  DEA Scheduled Controlled Substances 1 and 2 also buys capital punishment ( First Offense ) 

 
טוב להיות זנב לאריות מאשר ראש לשועלים

Offline Israel Chai

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 9732
  • 112
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2013, 11:48:12 AM »
I don't think selling drugs should be a capital offence, because you have to take into account drug mules, and 18 year old kids that were pressured into it, but major sentences are in order.

Murder and most rape (anything excluding someone raping their girlfriend who was already naked and alone, and decided to back out, which is still a serious offence, but not warranting death), should be executed. Treason as well.
The fear of the L-rd is the beginning of knowledge

Offline Debbie Shafer

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4317
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2013, 01:01:00 PM »
I definitely think the Death Penalty is a deterrent to criminals.  Uphold the Death Penalty.

Offline Rubystars

  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *********
  • Posts: 18307
  • Extreme MAGA Republican
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2013, 02:11:07 PM »
I didn't have time to finish my post earlier. Basically I think whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent is irrelevant when it comes to the crimes I listed. It keeps the most evil criminals from repeating their offenses with other victims.

Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12581
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2013, 04:02:39 PM »
They don't dish it out enough.   Too many states getting rid of it.   I would love to see violent criminals liberally executed, and I think they should especially open up this penalty to pedophile offenders. 

Offline Zelhar

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 10687
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2013, 06:16:21 PM »
I support capital punishment and I have some ideas how it should be executed:

1. It should be economical and a convict on death row shouldn't end up costing the state even more then a prisoner sentenced to life with no parole. In the US they are allowed to live on for years and sometimes decades after their sentence and harass the legal system with endless technical appeals.

2. Any and every organ should be harvested for transplant in case there is need for them. Including of course the heart and any other vital organ. I such case the prisoner should be euthanized in the OR while he/she is unconscious.

3. If there is no use for the organs the convict should still be allowed to choose to be put to sleep before the execution and the method of killing should be economical, clean and swift.

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2013, 06:48:41 PM »
Certainly terrorist murderers should be executed. This should go without saying. When a terrorist is motivated by religious duty to kill innocent people, that person is a threat to society. There should be no bad conscience in terminating the life of a guilty mass-murderer who thinks he is a hero, or will be a martyr if he dies while killing innocent people.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline TruthSpreader

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 8753
    • http://www.youtube.com/user/WeThePeopleZeb
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2013, 07:25:37 PM »
People who commit serious crimes such as murder and rape should obviously be executed. Terrorists should also be killed
Dan - Stay calm and be brave in order to judge correctly and make the right decision

Offline Israel Chai

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 9732
  • 112
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2013, 08:33:04 PM »
I agree with economical capital punishment, and while I have reservations about organ harvesting in most cases, it should be considered. The main reservation is that future corrupt governments may desire to put a man on trail who has his son's rare bone marrow or other more serious body part, leading to the potential for serious corruption. In the case of heinous crimes, who would really want that part, though many may to save their life, so it really has to be multiple eyewitness murder as per what a Jewish court would convict for me to accept that.

However, I still believe a healthy gestation period is in order, even for the most serious offenders, in order to insure that no further information comes to light which may change the result of the case. Economical imprisonment is also in order as well.
The fear of the L-rd is the beginning of knowledge

Offline serbian army

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2326
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2013, 09:52:28 PM »
When a beast rapes innocent woman what other alternative is out there to bring him to justice? Capital punishment for rape and child molesters.
Serbia will never surrender Kosovo to the breakaway province's ethnic Albanian majority or trade its territory for European Union or NATO membership,

Offline Lisa

  • Forum Administrator
  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9373
    • The Urban Grind
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2013, 11:05:50 PM »
Are you for or against it. What evidence scientifically using crime stats can you use to show that the death penalty does or doesn't work?

I don't understand your question about whether or not the death penalty works?  What do you mean by "works?"  Do you mean to ask if capital punishment acts as a deterrent for other wannabe criminals? 

The standard liberal argument is that it's not a deterrent against crime, etc. 

But as I see it, that's really not the point. 

The fact of the matter is, if you take an innocent life, you give up your own?  Why should a vicious killer be given subsidized housing, medical care, food and exercise when their victims are dead? 

Offline Israel Chai

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 9732
  • 112
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2013, 11:30:04 PM »
I don't understand your question about whether or not the death penalty works?  What do you mean by "works?"  Do you mean to ask if capital punishment acts as a deterrent for other wannabe criminals? 

The standard liberal argument is that it's not a deterrent against crime, etc. 

But as I see it, that's really not the point. 

The fact of the matter is, if you take an innocent life, you give up your own?  Why should a vicious killer be given subsidized housing, medical care, food and exercise when their victims are dead?

If not executing murderers happens to not be a deterrent against crime, letting them live to teach the prison populace and walk free is a worse one.
The fear of the L-rd is the beginning of knowledge

Offline Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 23384
  • Real Kahanist
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2013, 01:22:49 AM »
They don't dish it out enough.   Too many states getting rid of it.   I would love to see violent criminals liberally executed, and I think they should especially open up this penalty to pedophile offenders.
What he said.

Offline Dr. Dan

  • Forum Administrator
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12593
Re: What is JTF'S postion on Capital punishent and the death penalty?
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2013, 05:58:37 AM »
I think rapists should have a choice. Execution or castration with removal of the limbs
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein