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Offline Chaim Ben Pesach

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Ask JTF for April 13, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« on: April 14, 2014, 12:24:19 AM »
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Re: Ask JTF for April 13, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2014, 05:28:29 AM »
Chaim, I'm not trying to imply that you make everything up, but this is what the traditional biblical law regarding adultery says:

http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-10.htm

Here are some more links to the sources that deal with adultery in Judaism:

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http://www.myjewishlearning.com/life/Sex_and_Sexuality/Jewish_Approaches/Prohibited_Sexual_Relationships/Adultery.shtml
Adultery (sexual intercourse between a married woman and a man other than her husband [the biblical prohibition does not include sex between a married man and an unmarried woman]) is the only sexual offense recorded in the Ten Commandments. It is again recorded in the "Holiness Code" of Leviticus 20. The Book of Genesis (20:9) calls adultery "the great sin" and the Talmud calls adultery ha'averah (the sin par excellence).


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http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/865-adultery
Sexual intercourse of a married woman with any man other than her husband. The crime can be committed only by and with a married woman; for the unlawful intercourse of a married man with an unmarried woman is not technically Adultery in the Jewish law.

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Although the common opinion of mankind is more inclined to condone the Adultery of the husband than that of the wife, modern law has ignored the distinction between the two crimes, and technically they are alike. But the ancient Jewish law, as well as other systems of law which grew out of a patriarchal state of society, does not recognize the husband's infidelity to his marriage vows as a crime, and it was not until comparatively recent times that the woman was legally entitled to enforce her husband's faithfulness, and was given the right to demand a bill of divorce for his sexual immorality (Isserles on "Eben ha-'Ezer," § 154, 1). The sin of concubinage is, however, already severely condemned in Leviticus Rabbah, xxv.
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Re: Ask JTF for April 13, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2014, 07:21:54 AM »
Thank you for answering my question about Zimbabwe.
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Re: Ask JTF for April 13, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2014, 03:28:04 PM »
Pre-martial sex is against Halacha but it is not Gilui Arayot. Babies from such relationships will not be mamzerim. A married man and a single woman is just as bad as a single man and a single woman and not worse.

Gilui Arayot is only relationships from forbidden unions (People prohibited from marrying each other.). We read it in Leviticus 18 last Shabbat.


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Re: Ask JTF for April 13, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2014, 03:32:31 PM »
I think Chaim knows what he is talking about.

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Re: Ask JTF for April 13, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2014, 04:09:05 PM »
Chaim, I'm not trying to imply that you make everything up, but this is what the traditional biblical law regarding adultery says:

http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-10.htm

Here are some more links to the sources that deal with adultery in Judaism:

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None of the sources you bring are Torah Jewish sources. The first web site you quote from is not Jewish, and the other two web sites are assimilated self-haters. None of them are believers in Torah Judaism and none of them are truly knowledgeable about Torah Judaism.

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Re: Ask JTF for April 13, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2014, 04:19:06 PM »
Pre-martial sex is against Halacha but it is not Gilui Arayot. Babies from such relationships will not be mamzerim. A married man and a single woman is just as bad as a single man and a single woman and not worse.

Gilui Arayot is only relationships from forbidden unions (People prohibited from marrying each other.). We read it in Leviticus 18 last Shabbat.

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Since I know that you understand Hebrew, here is a video from HaRav Yaakov Yosef in which he does not distinguish between adultery and fornication as gilui arayot, and he cites Torah sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at15wdSRGvc


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Re: Ask JTF for April 13, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2014, 05:29:49 PM »
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For Hebrew speakers, here HaRav Amnon Yitzchak describes the fornication of Jewish men with the daughters of Moav as "gilui arayot". HaRav Yitzchak does indeed cite a quote that adultery is a more severe sin than fornication, but both adultery and fornication are described as "gilui arayot".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmmqhl6CGwU


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Re: Ask JTF for April 13, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2014, 12:01:50 AM »
With Moav, it was also interdating, so it's more severe. Perhaps it is like the Midianite women in Parashat Balak. The fornication was also part of idolatry.