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should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« on: October 08, 2007, 05:31:13 PM »
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Muslim medical students get pickyDaniel Foggo and Abul Taher
Some Muslim medical students are refusing to attend lectures or answer exam questions on alcohol-related or sexually transmitted diseases because they claim it offends their religious beliefs.

Some trainee doctors say learning to treat the diseases conflicts with their faith, which states that Muslims should not drink alcohol and rejects sexual promiscuity.

A small number of Muslim medical students have even refused to treat patients of the opposite sex. One male student was prepared to fail his final exams rather than carry out a basic examination of a female patient.

The religious objections by students have been confirmed by the British Medical Association (BMA) and General Medical Council (GMC), which both stressed that they did not approve of such actions.

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It will intensify the debate sparked last week by the disclosure that Sainsbury’s is permitting Muslim checkout operators to refuse to handle customers’ alcohol purchases on religious grounds. It means other members of staff have to be called over to scan in wine and beer for them at the till.

Critics, including many Islamic scholars, see the concessions as a step too far, and say Muslims are reneging on their professional responsibilities.

This weekend, however, it emerged that Sainsbury’s is also allowing its Muslim pharmacists to refuse to sell the morning-after pill to customers. At a Sainsbury’s store in Nottingham, a pharmacist named Ahmed declined to provide the pill to a female reporter posing as a customer. A colleague explained to her that Ahmed did not sell the pill for “ethical reasons”. Boots also permits pharmacists to refuse to sell the pill on ethical grounds.

The BMA said it had received reports of Muslim students who did not want to learn anything about alcohol or the effects of overconsumption. “They are so opposed to the consumption of it they don’t want to learn anything about it,” said a spokesman.

The GMC said it had received requests for guidance over whether students could “omit parts of the medical curriculum and yet still be allowed to graduate”. Professor Peter Rubin, chairman of the GMC’s education committee, said: “Examples have included a refusal to see patients who are affected by diseases caused by alcohol or sexual activity, or a refusal to examine patients of a particular gender.”

He added that “prejudicing treatment on the grounds of patients’ gender or their responsibility for their condition would run counter to the most basic principles of ethical medical practice”.

Shazia Ovaisi, a GP in north London, said one of her male Muslim contemporaries at medical school failed to complete his training because he refused to examine a woman patient as part of his final exams.

“He was academically gifted, one of the best students, but gradually he got in with certain Islamic groups and started to become more radical,” said Ovaisi.

“You could see there was a change in his personality as time went by. During the final exams he was supposed to treat a female patient in hospital. He refused to do it, even though it would have been a very basic examination, nothing intrusive.

“But he refused and as a result he failed his exams. I was quite shocked and disappointed about it because I don’t see there being anything in our religion that prohibits us from examining male and female patients.”

Both the Muslim Council of Britain and Muslim Doctors and Dentist Association said they were aware of students opting out but did not support them.

Dr Abdul Majid Katme, of the Islamic Medical Association, said: “To learn about alcohol, to learn about sexually transmitted disease, to learn about abortion, it gives us more evidence to campaign against it. There is a difference between learning and practising.

“It is obligatory for Muslim doctors and students to learn about everything. The prophet said, ‘Learn about witchcraft, but don’t practise it’.”
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2007, 05:38:00 PM »
Do you read The Times? :laugh:

I read this, it was the most viewed article this week and is dispicable what these students are doing. Along with the Sainsburys issue. Saving lives is NO 1 priority......

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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2007, 05:52:30 PM »
I would not visit a muslim doctor.
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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2007, 06:25:34 PM »
People with sexually transmitted diseases should not be treated, they should be sterilized instead. STI's are the domain of the immoral and dirty.

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 06:41:57 PM »
Do you read The Times? :laugh:

I read this, it was the most viewed article this week and is dispicable what these students are doing. Along with the Sainsburys issue. Saving lives is NO 1 priority......
is sainsburys a supermarket?
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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2007, 11:37:42 AM »
Do you read The Times? :laugh:

I read this, it was the most viewed article this week and is dispicable what these students are doing. Along with the Sainsburys issue. Saving lives is NO 1 priority......
is sainsburys a supermarket?

Yep. I get most of my food from there.

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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2007, 12:04:15 PM »


Want to get well? GO TO A JEWISH DOCTOR!
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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2007, 12:06:48 PM »
Theres good doctors of all kinds
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2007, 12:18:14 PM »
Theres good doctors of all kinds

Jewish doctors are the best. I know because my mom n dad told me, "Always go to a Jewish doctor".   ;)
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2007, 12:19:41 PM »
 ;D i thought you were a dr. Yasmine is a Dr.
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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2007, 12:22:39 PM »
Theres good doctors of all kinds

Jewish doctors are the best. I know because my mom n dad told me, "Always go to a Jewish doctor".   ;)

I don't agree there. There a was a Jewish doctor at our local surgery, who told everybody to loose weight when he was Obese! People also said that he had a habit of prescribing the wrong amounts of medecine for most people.

Any doctor that really cares, is the best.


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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2007, 12:26:27 PM »
Theres good doctors of all kinds

Jewish doctors are the best. I know because my mom n dad told me, "Always go to a Jewish doctor".   ;)

I don't agree there. There a was a Jewish doctor at our local surgery, who told everybody to loose weight when he was Obese! People also said that he had a habit of prescribing the wrong amounts of medecine for most people.

Any doctor that really cares, is the best.



You callin' my mom n' dad liars!?  >:(

Kidding, I don't care.  :)
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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2007, 12:46:59 PM »
  if a doctor considers that a certain disease is incurable, then he must make the patient as confortable as he can in order to minimize his suffer. but if there is a hope, tiny little hope, doctor has to do everything he can to cure his patient!
The whole system works because everyone is not mentally ill on the same day!!!!

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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2007, 12:56:46 PM »


pssst... seriously, Jewish doctors really are the best.  ;)
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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2007, 05:59:27 PM »
My primary care physician is Hispanic and I'm more than satisfied with him. All of my other doctors (specialists) are Jewish.

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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2007, 12:00:20 AM »


pssst... seriously, Jewish doctors really are the best.  ;)

How about chinese doctors/medecine? :)

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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2007, 12:09:27 AM »


pssst... seriously, Jewish doctors really are the best.  ;)

How about chinese doctors/medecine? :)

Chinese would be my second choice, I like competent people, Indian doctors are good too, so I'd say Chinese and Indian doctors tie for second, WAP's third, simply because in my estimation and personal observation, those white Christian Frat boys weren't studying as hard in college as the Chinese and Indian students.  ;D
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2007, 12:19:09 AM »


pssst... seriously, Jewish doctors really are the best.  ;)

How about chinese doctors/medecine? :)

Chinese would be my second choice, I like competent people, Indian doctors are good too, so I'd say Chinese and Indian doctors tie for second, WAP's third, simply because in my estimation and personal observation, those white Christian Frat boys weren't studying as hard in college as the Chinese and Indian students.  ;D

I quite agree. :)
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Re: should Doctors have the right to treat only certain conditions
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2007, 12:33:17 AM »
My primary care physician is Hispanic and I'm more than satisfied with him. All of my other doctors (specialists) are Jewish.


What type of specialists do you need?