Poll: What will be the result of Israel's Gaza military operation?

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

                                                                                                                                                            בס''ד

Please explain why you voted the way you did?

[Rubystars]

I voted for the second option because as long as the leftists are in charge in Israel, the insanity will continue.

[Dan]

choice 2.
               The current Israeli government has never been able to live up to its word, and this is no different. You can not engage a sworn enemy that has vowed to kill and destroy you and play by the rules the Jew hating nations of the world decide is fair.
If Israel caves in and allows the UN Security Council to dictate on how this will unfold that there's no way to Win. The only solution is - 'Change' in government, a Kahanist style government!
 A government that the will protect its people and restore Judaism and its values across the board,
  a type of government that the whole anti Semitic world will hate but fear for knowing that G-d's chosen people aren't to be messed with!

[ProJewCatholic]

It is happening currently.

[cjd]

I went for #3. It's hard to say because Israel's track record as of late on this issue has not been good but....the fact that this may be the last chance for them to get a handle on things might make the difference. The Bush Administration it seems was a bit more helpful to Israel then the incoming successors administration will ever be. I think Israel may have seen this and is trying to get a foothold in Gaza so they will be in a position of control come the end of the month. Not to say that they plan to stay in Gaza forever but I think that the fact that they are occupying the territory will give them better bargaining power then if they were on the outside looking in.

[Dr. Brennan Fan]

Choice 2. It is exactly what the government wanted all along. If the Israeli public thinks that Israel has suffered a great defeat, they will think that they simply cannot win any wars these days, and will have to accept a life under constant rocket fire, and will think that they must do anything that the Muslims want in order to survive (in essence becoming dhimmis in their own country).

Chaim, I told you that this was what the Israeli government was trying to do all along, and you didn't believe me. I told you Kadima did not want to defeat Hamas, but lose to them.

[spiritus_persona]

Because even though they want to destroy the threat to their citizens, they will eventually cave under international pressure again and nothing will have changed.

[Dr. Brennan Fan]

Because even though they want to destroy the threat to their citizens

The only "threat" they want to destroy are the patriotic, religious Jews in Judea and Samaria. The only thing they want to do to the Muslim Nazi threat to their citizens is shower them with land and money.

[Ulli]

I think it is the nature of the Muslims to attack so called "infidels".

This will never change.

[spiritus_persona]

Therefore it is the responsibility of the Arabs to throw the Hamas creatures out of Gaza so that they won't be under fire.

[Muck DeFuslims]

Choice 2. It is exactly what the government wanted all along. If the Israeli public thinks that Israel has suffered a great defeat, they will think that they simply cannot win any wars these days, and will have to accept a life under constant rocket fire, and will think that they must do anything that the Muslims want in order to survive (in essence becoming dhimmis in their own country).

Chaim, I told you that this was what the Israeli government was trying to do all along, and you didn't believe me. I told you Kadima did not want to defeat Hamas, but lose to them.

I disagree.

First of all, Israel isn't going to lose to Hamas. Israel won't succeed in removing Hamas, but certainly will temporarily weaken Hamas.

Secondly, continued rocket fire from Hamas will not make Israelis more likely to want to surrender land to Hamas. It will have exactly the opposite effect.

Not thoroughly defeating and removing Hamas is a blessing in disguise. An implacably genocidal and hostile Hamas is the greatest impediment to further suicidal Israeli concessions.

[Dr. Brennan Fan]

I disagree.

First of all, Israel isn't going to lose to Hamas. Israel won't succeed in removing Hamas, but certainly will temporarily weaken Hamas.

What exactly does this mean? That's what all the mainstream pundits said after the Lebanon War in 2006. It could not have been further from the truth. The fact is that Hezbollah ended that war with more missiles than they had in the beginning. It was a complete failure, and so far so is this war. You can't win a war by bombing empty buildings and tunnels. Olmert seems to think that he can wage a war without producing any enemy casualties. It's time for a reality check.

Secondly, continued rocket fire from Hamas will not make Israelis more likely to want to surrender land to Hamas. It will have exactly the opposite effect.

This isn't the "greatest generation" of WWII, or the generation that won Israel's independence in 1948 or that beat five heavily-armed Nazi nations in 1967 at once. These are postmodern, secular Israelis who have been taught since childhood not to have any faith in G-d or His miracles. If Israel loses this war, the citizenry will be massively dejected and assume that it must do whatever Hamas wants if it wants to live. It will play perfectly into the hands of Olmert and Livni and Barak, who know that a massive psychological blow like this will greatly soften-up the nation for so-called "hard concessions".

Not thoroughly defeating and removing Hamas is a blessing
in disguise. An implacably genocidal and hostile Hamas is the greatest impediment to further suicidal Israeli concessions.

Not if the heart and soul of the public are so far gone that they will just roll over and accept that.

[SerbChicago]

This is never ending story because every time when Israel try to end it someone presses the pause button and everything starts all over again.

[zachor_ve_kavod]

#2 is more likely given the history of weakness and appeasement of Israel since 1967.  I hope I'm wrong.

[Dr. Dan]

It's obvious that it is choice 2.  Israel will not eliminate hamas because they need them to even out Fatah when Fatah becomes naughty.  (at least that wishful thinking if that is a real strategy in mind).

It makes no sense for Israel to not completely remove Hamas.  Except they worry what the USA will do if they ask Israel to stop...and they also worry about PR on how everyone goes love lost crazy for terrorist children/women..yes, they are rodef too.