Abortion when raped

[Groucho Marxist]

I don't believe taking of life is always murder like with euthanasia. Abortion is not the same as killing one of your co-workers. Everyone says it's the same, and they're wrong. Women who abuse their abortion rights are not criminals, they should be sterilized maybe.

What really confuses me about this pro-life movement is why adopting children from other poorer countries is so difficult. If there's such a need for adoption why not go to a country where they are trying to get rid of children. Are they worried about immunization or diseases? In some blackmarkets, you can just buy children. There's human trafficking. I'm more worried about the orphans who live there than the unborn babies from here.

[Wayne Jude]

Can we post -birth Abort?Why not.Whats the difference!If a women kills her one month old.She will be tried for murder .If that same women aborts a 12 months she made a choice.Sick huh?

[HiWarp]

Okay, what about a morning after pill.  Apparently it can be effective for up to 72 hours after the rape.  You would not be killing a child since the child has not yet been conceived.  Technically speaking, of course, you can say that it IS murder because, if the woman doesn't take the pill, there's a chance she may become pregnant.

[Merkava]

Its a woman's choice

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Sorry, thats why one should take precautions not to be alone or go somewhere with a guy (not related to you) alone. You dont want your daughters raped? Dont let them go out alone, and be strict on her knowing where she is and with whom, make curfews.
 
  Torah law is Torah law, lets not make new laws - like Soddom and Gomorah.

[Daniel]

From a Torah perspective, I believe that abortion is only permissible in the situation where the mother's life is in danger. On a governmental level, I believe that the government should stay out of the decision and the process and shouldn't restrict the abortion if the mother chooses to do so. On the other hand, the government should also not fund the abortion as a medical procedure which would only serve to enable more abortions.

[Yisrael]

Sorry, thats why one should take precautions not to be alone or go somewhere with a guy (not related to you) alone. You dont want your daughters raped? Dont let them go out alone, and be strict on her knowing where she is and with whom, make curfews.
 
  Torah law is Torah law, lets not make new laws - like Soddom and Gomorah.

Those are good tips but you can't really prevent rape. Anyone can rape a women, heck, he pervert father can. But even if you are raped, that doesn't give you the right to murder anyone (well maybe the rapist).

[Raulmarrio2000]

From a Torah perspective, I believe that abortion is only permissible in the situation where the mother's life is in danger. On a governmental level, I believe that the government should stay out of the decision and the process and shouldn't restrict the abortion if the mother chooses to do so. On the other hand, the government should also not fund the abortion as a medical procedure which would only serve to enable more abortions.

Wrong Daniel.!!! The Govt. is bound to save a life. Why? Just becuase it is the same Govt. who forbids any citizen to save it by himself. Can you imagine a Govt. not forbiddng abortions, but allowing us to use our force to prevent the crime?

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

If government sends cops to arrest a murderer , then I dont see how the government can allow abortion.

Jews- listin to this lecture- its great and it talks about society, abortion, and how its linked to Soddom and Gamorah.

http://www.torahanytime.com/rabbi_wallerstein.html
go all the way down and download. (but please not on Shabb--at.

10/09/07 Parashat Bereshis/Noach - Spiritual DNA Play Download Play Download Listen Download
 

[Daniel]

From a Torah perspective, I believe that abortion is only permissible in the situation where the mother's life is in danger. On a governmental level, I believe that the government should stay out of the decision and the process and shouldn't restrict the abortion if the mother chooses to do so. On the other hand, the government should also not fund the abortion as a medical procedure which would only serve to enable more abortions.

Wrong Daniel.!!! The Govt. is bound to save a life. Why? Just becuase it is the same Govt. who forbids any citizen to save it by himself. Can you imagine a Govt. not forbiddng abortions, but allowing us to use our force to prevent the crime?

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

From a Torah perspective, I believe that abortion is only permissible in the situation where the mother's life is in danger. On a governmental level, I believe that the government should stay out of the decision and the process and shouldn't restrict the abortion if the mother chooses to do so. On the other hand, the government should also not fund the abortion as a medical procedure which would only serve to enable more abortions.

Wrong Daniel.!!! The Govt. is bound to save a life. Why? Just becuase it is the same Govt. who forbids any citizen to save it by himself. Can you imagine a Govt. not forbiddng abortions, but allowing us to use our force to prevent the crime?

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

No your not.

[Daniel]

From a Torah perspective, I believe that abortion is only permissible in the situation where the mother's life is in danger. On a governmental level, I believe that the government should stay out of the decision and the process and shouldn't restrict the abortion if the mother chooses to do so. On the other hand, the government should also not fund the abortion as a medical procedure which would only serve to enable more abortions.

Wrong Daniel.!!! The Govt. is bound to save a life. Why? Just becuase it is the same Govt. who forbids any citizen to save it by himself. Can you imagine a Govt. not forbiddng abortions, but allowing us to use our force to prevent the crime?

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

No your not.

Only in a Nazi fascist regime.

[Dexter]

Of course, why should she keep childe that were "given" to her brutally and in compulsive proceeding.

[Raulmarrio2000]

Freedom of opinion and speech does not entitle to speak out for murder without punishment. What if a nazi were allowed to speak out for Nazism?

[Daniel]

Freedom of opinion and speech does not entitle to speak out for murder without punishment. What if a nazi were allowed to speak out for Nazism?

First off, you're stating a conclusion in your statement that I don't agree with. I think abortion is morally wrong, but don't think it is the same as murder. Also, even if we were to conclude that abortion is in fact murder, we speak about murdering Muslims and there's nothing illegal about that under the first amendment.

[Yisrael]

Of course, why should she keep childe that were "given" to her brutally and in compulsive proceeding.

No one said she has to keep it. As soon as the innocent baby is born she can put it up for adoption. She can't MURDER the baby though, not when its 5 months old in mommy's stomach, or when he is 5 years old, or 15, or 50. MURDER is wrong, and you can't kill someone because they bring you bad memories.

[Dexter]

Of course, why should she keep childe that were "given" to her brutally and in compulsive proceeding.

No one said she has to keep it. As soon as the innocent baby is born she can put it up for adoption. She can't MURDER the baby though, not when its 5 months old in mommy's stomach, or when he is 5 years old, or 15, or 50. MURDER is wrong, and you can't kill someone because they bring you bad memories.

But if she will think it's horrible to feel you have a childe but you don't know him ? What if he is in a horrible family ? How about when the childe look for his past ? etc'.

Why is it murder anyway ?

[Daniel]

Kahane may have been right when he stated that Zionism is not Thomas Jefferson. That may fly in Israel. But this is America where Thomas Jefferson still reigns supreme. So we are all entitled to our opinions and on expressing them.

And with that thought, I bid you all a good shabbos.

[Zionist Revolutionary]

I can't believe that the yes out-votes no at this point, and even that there are this many yes's at all.  Abortion is murder unless it is to save the mothers life.  Because the potential for life does not supercede life itself.

I don't see why people chose to overlook these facts and logic.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Kahane may have been right when he stated that Zionism is not Thomas Jefferson. That may fly in Israel. But this is America where Thomas Jefferson still reigns supreme. So we are all entitled to our opinions and on expressing them.

And with that thought, I bid you all a good shabbos.

democracy, or any idea or ..ism isnt above G-d. G-d is the KING, He is the Ruler and He made rules. People and societies which break them eventually get destroyed - ex- Soddom and Gamora.

[Yisrael]

I can't believe that the yes out-votes no at this point, and even that there are this many yes's at all.  Abortion is murder unless it is to save the mothers life.  Because the potential for life does not supercede life itself.

I don't see why people chose to overlook these facts and logic.

Well said!

[kellymaureen]

When you see that earliest of ultrasounds, or hear that heartbeat, there is no question thats a life.
I would give 9 months of my life to give that child a life, I cant say if I would be able to raise the child, but I would make sure that he or she went to loving parents and a good home.

[Masha]

No one said she has to keep it. As soon as the innocent baby is born she can put it up for adoption. 

Yisrael, but what if there is a war or famine going on, and nobody is willing to adopt a baby? Would she then be obligated to keep the baby and raise it or would she be justified in laying it by the road for someone to find?

I don't have any objection to abortions. It is very clear to me that life begins at birth. I consider myself a person with the absolutely unerring ear for what is moral. I have qualms about situations that no one else gives a second thought to. And yet I have absolutely no qualms about abortions. I listen to myself: no, nothing, everything is quiet. If the Torah were against abortions, I would think that mine is a peculiar case of selective moral deafness. But it does not. As Dannycookie57 says, the case about a woman who miscarries through the fault of someone else, is the case in point. She is owed a fine, which goes to show that a fetus is viewed as a personal property, not a life. I agree with this interpretation.

[Dr. Dan]

Sorry, thats why one should take precautions not to be alone or go somewhere with a guy (not related to you) alone. You dont want your daughters raped? Dont let them go out alone, and be strict on her knowing where she is and with whom, make curfews.
 
  Torah law is Torah law, lets not make new laws - like Soddom and Gomorah.

Tzvi, what' if someone, Gd forbid, breaks into your house..Gd forbid...and everyone is home and subdued...?

[Dr. Dan]

From a Torah perspective, I believe that abortion is only permissible in the situation where the mother's life is in danger. On a governmental level, I believe that the government should stay out of the decision and the process and shouldn't restrict the abortion if the mother chooses to do so. On the other hand, the government should also not fund the abortion as a medical procedure which would only serve to enable more abortions.

Wrong Daniel.!!! The Govt. is bound to save a life. Why? Just becuase it is the same Govt. who forbids any citizen to save it by himself. Can you imagine a Govt. not forbiddng abortions, but allowing us to use our force to prevent the crime?

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

No your not.

Yes he is!