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shimon:
yeah they are they are still literally the mothers of the jewish people

newman:
I'm just glad Abraham listened to G_d when he told him to give Hagar the boot. Imagine stinking arabs being the chosen people! :o

OdKahaneChai:

--- Quote from: newman on November 03, 2007, 11:24:43 PM ---I'm just glad Abraham listened to G_d when he told him to give Hagar the boot. Imagine stinking arabs being the chosen people! :o

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Well actually, Hagar and Yishmael both eventually did Teshuva - it's some of Yishmael's descendants who are the problem...

And also, after Sarah's death, Avraham ended up taking Hagar back, as a concubine (here she is called Keturah), and she bore him six more children: Zimran, Yokshan, Medan, Midian, Yishbak, and Shuach, whom Avraham sent to the East with gifts.  There is a question, though, as to what those "gifts" were, as Avraham gave all of his property to Yitzchak.  (Some say it was a name by whose pronunciation they would be able to perform sorcery - although there is also a question as to whether non-Jews are allowed to perform sorcery.)

Lisa:

--- Quote ---Well actually, Hagar and Yishmael both eventually did Teshuva - it's some of Yishmael's descendants who are the problem...

And also, after Sarah's death, Avraham ended up taking Hagar back, as a concubine (here she is called Keturah), and she bore him six more children: Zimran, Yokshan, Medan, Midian, Yishbak, and Shuach, whom Avraham sent to the East with gifts.  There is a question, though, as to what those "gifts" were, as Avraham gave all of his property to Yitzchak.  (Some say it was a name by whose pronunciation they would be able to perform sorcery - although there is also a question as to whether non-Jews are allowed to perform sorcery.)
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So why wasn't she called Keturah, rather than Hagar?

OdKahaneChai:

--- Quote from: Lisa on November 04, 2007, 12:06:18 AM ---
--- Quote ---Well actually, Hagar and Yishmael both eventually did Teshuva - it's some of Yishmael's descendants who are the problem...

And also, after Sarah's death, Avraham ended up taking Hagar back, as a concubine (here she is called Keturah), and she bore him six more children: Zimran, Yokshan, Medan, Midian, Yishbak, and Shuach, whom Avraham sent to the East with gifts.  There is a question, though, as to what those "gifts" were, as Avraham gave all of his property to Yitzchak.  (Some say it was a name by whose pronunciation they would be able to perform sorcery - although there is also a question as to whether non-Jews are allowed to perform sorcery.)
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So why wasn't she called Keturah, rather than Hagar?

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Do you mean originally why wasn't she called Hagar?

Rashi says:
"Zo Hagar, v'nik'reit Keturah al shena'im ma'ase'ha ki'ketoret; v'shekash'ra pit'cha, mi'yom she'per'sha me'Avraham."  "This is Hagar, but she is called Keturah because her deeds were as beautiful (i.e. pleasing) as incense; and because she bound up her entrance, in that she did not have relations with any man from the day she separated from Avraham."

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