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Dispelling Racial Myths Based on Science
cjd:
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--- Quote from: fake plastic trees on December 22, 2006, 06:21:59 AM ---Yacov, your argument seems at first logical and correct, and I was about to praise you, until i noticed the tiny loophole in your argument that is the WHOLE OF SOCIETY. Most people in society are happy with inter-racial marriages, as GTHS so often says. Why, then, is this a problem?
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There are lots of things people aren't against, which says more about the current conditions of society than anything else. Lots of people are no longer 'against' having homosexual teachers and homosexual messages in children's cartoons. Many people are not 'against' having children sit and watch TV unaccompanied. Many people are not 'against' feminism, many people (especially in Britian) are not against Muslim terrorism against innocent Israelis, etc etc - does that make those things RIGHT?
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""Now your talkin"" GTHS. Excellent post!!
ftfl:
I still believe that any individual should be judged by how they as an individual act without refferrence to their appearance or their parents behaviour.
wonderfulgoy:
--- Quote from: ftf on December 22, 2006, 12:59:18 PM ---I still believe that any individual should be judged by how they as an individual act without refferrence to their appearance or their parents behaviour.
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Can I just ask you, where do 'individuals' come from? Are they plucked out of nowhere? What forms their opinions and beliefs? How do different individuals relate to one another? Is it ever possible for certain individuals to pursue an activity they enjoy but which hurts other individuals through negative unintended consequences? Is it acceptable to abandon a fanatical belief in 'individuality' in order to redress perceived 'past wrongs'? Should some individuals be treated differently to others because of said perceived historical 'wrongs'?
ftfl:
Everyone is an individual, it is impossible to judge somoene by looking at their relatives, race or friends, souch things may or may not affect the way a person turns out, but there is no way of knowing. Yes it is possible forsomeone to do soomethng that hurts other people in an unintended way (why is this relative). I do not beleive in fabouring someone over others because of what may or may not have happened to their ancestors. I believe in equality of opportunity, but not equality of result. What someone achieves in life should depend solely on their capabilities and attitudes.
I hope this answers your questions GTHS.
wonderfulgoy:
I think that you are a proponent of the Anglo-Saxon worldview, which is a huge lie, that individuals are responsible for themselves first and foremost. Which totally ignores the fact that individuals are socialized from birth into certain settiings which may not necessarily suit them or let their full potential come forth. This worldview, which is very English and can be traced to 18th century utilitarianism, is very primitive and outdated by hundreds of years of sociological and psychological findings.
Guess what? The news is in. We CAN judge people according to stereotypes and group criterion, and with a very high level of predictive success too. The English themselves, despite being a fundamentally dishonest and manipulative race, have harnessed this knowledge in a highly sophisticated manner for decades in their propaganda and advertising.
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