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Are masses of gentiles set to leave their church and cling to a Jew?
Uziyahu:
Look, I'm not pushing Ebionite religion, but Shemayah Phillips is not a B.S. artist. He's very knowledgeable.
My one big complaint with him is that he doesn't seem to have a Jerusalemocentric worldview.
And he never claimed that he possesses an uninterrupted line of authority. That's a Catholic and Mormon claim.
Christian Zionist:
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--- Quote from: jdl4ever on November 10, 2007, 07:16:26 PM ---Newman, it's not right to provoke the Christians like that on here.
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What provocation?
It was a legitimate topic on Tovia Singer's show relating to Torah prophesy.
THIS IS THE TORAH BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christians know full-well that many of Torah's verses contradict their beliefs. If they read this board they WILL see things that they may find uncomfortable.
Is a discussion about the comming of Messiach and his rebuilding of the physical (not heavenly ) temple a "provocation" of christians, too because it is not their version of things?
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Hello Newman,
Christians are not at all provoked by the building of the 3rd temple. All Zionist Christians (including myself) believe in the physical building of the 3rd temple. We also believe in the rise of a Jewish man who would bring world peace, unite all nations, stop wars and gather all Jews back to Israel. This person will be accepted by all Jews as their Messiah because he would rebuild the 3rd temple, stopping wars etc. However Christians believe that this person would eventually deceive the Jews by installing an idol in the 3rd temple. That is called as the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 9:27.
In Christianity this man is known as the anti-Christ. Do you remember Jerry Falwell once saying that the anti-Christ would be a Jewish male which provoked criticism from the Jewish community?. Even Daniel in this forum once asked Chaim about this. Chaim did not answer that particular question related to Jerry Falwell.
Both Jesus and Paul taught about this: Matthew 24:15-22, II Theselonians 2:1-12
You have also stated "If they read this board they WILL see things that they may find uncomfortable." Not at all. I am more and more comfortable and strongly convinced that we are living in the end times and anticipating the final redemption. For Christians rebuilding the 3rd Jewish temple must occur before Jesus returns. In Christian eschatology we study a lot about this and Christian scholars have different opinions about how the 3rd temple will be rebuilt. (I asked a question about this to Chaim several weeks ago.)
newman:
--- Quote from: Christian Zionist on November 30, 2007, 06:22:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: newman on November 10, 2007, 10:19:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on November 10, 2007, 07:16:26 PM ---Newman, it's not right to provoke the Christians like that on here.
--- End quote ---
What provocation?
It was a legitimate topic on Tovia Singer's show relating to Torah prophesy.
THIS IS THE TORAH BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christians know full-well that many of Torah's verses contradict their beliefs. If they read this board they WILL see things that they may find uncomfortable.
Is a discussion about the comming of Messiach and his rebuilding of the physical (not heavenly ) temple a "provocation" of christians, too because it is not their version of things?
--- End quote ---
Hello Newman,
Christians are not at all provoked by the building of the 3rd temple. All Zionist Christians (including myself) believe in the physical building of the 3rd temple. We also believe in the rise of a Jewish man who would bring world peace, unite all nations, stop wars and gather all Jews back to Israel. This person will be accepted by all Jews as their Messiah because he would rebuild the 3rd temple, stopping wars etc. However Christians believe that this person would eventually deceive the Jews by installing an idol in the 3rd temple. That is called as the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 9:27.
In Christianity this man is known as the anti-Christ. Do you remember Jerry Falwell once saying that the anti-Christ would be a Jewish male which provoked criticism from the Jewish community?. Even Daniel in this forum once asked Chaim about this. Chaim did not answer that particular question related to Jerry Falwell.
Both Jesus and Paul taught about this: Matthew 24:15-22, II Theselonians 2:1-12
You have also stated "If they read this board they WILL see things that they may find uncomfortable." Not at all. I am more and more comfortable and strongly convinced that we are living in the end times and anticipating the final redemption.
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I believe NOTHING that adds to or takes away from Torah.
These whacky stories about Jewish anti-christs are part of the inbuilt anti-semitism of the Roman conceived NT. You shouldn't spread it.
Lubab:
Do you want to know what the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 9:27 is REALLY talking about?
OdKahaneChai:
--- Quote from: newman on November 09, 2007, 01:10:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on November 09, 2007, 01:09:45 PM ---What kind of question is that, they're all clinging to a Jew right now (named Jesus).
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Wasn't he a Reform Rabbi? ;D
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Nope. B"H, back then they didn't have they "Reformed Movement," and everyone (save a few heretics) saw him for what he was.
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