I don't understand how come not one Jew could put a bullet in Adolph's head

[Ehud]

Through the history of the Jews theres always someone at sometime trying to kill them off.

What I was saying if it was Hitler it would of been someone else.

Persecution of the Jews do not start with him, and will not end with him.

This is true, there would have still been persecution, but not a Holocaust.

[Daniel]

I don't remember the details. But I learned that early on in Hitler's reign that someone tried to assassinate him and just missed. That very well could have changed the course of history had the assassination been successful.

[The Shadow]

Through the history of the Jews theres always someone at sometime trying to kill them off.

What I was saying if it wasn't Hitler it would of been someone else.

Persecution of the Jews do not start with him, and will not end with him.

Thats just a lame excuse.  To say that someone else would have murdered the Jews anyway, is poor, poor excuse for not killing Hitler

[Kiwi]

Through the history of the Jews theres always someone at sometime trying to kill them off.

What I was saying if it wasn't Hitler it would of been someone else.

Persecution of the Jews do not start with him, and will not end with him.

This is true, there would have still been persecution, but not a Holocaust.

But thats it I still believe regardless the holocaust in some form would of happened.

Its right and just Hitler was killed, but I think many more are equally to blame and were a driving force behind the events

[Kiwi]

Through the history of the Jews theres always someone at sometime trying to kill them off.

What I was saying if it wasn't Hitler it would of been someone else.

Persecution of the Jews do not start with him, and will not end with him.

Thats just a lame excuse.  To say that someone else would have murdered the Jews anyway, is poor, poor excuse for not killing Hitler

Shadow its not an excuse and don't be so naive. Because someone doesn't agree with you views its lame.

Now I have entertained your behaviour long enough.

[The Shadow]

I personally feel that a JDL, if it were around in Germany, in the mid 1930's  would have gotten to him early on.  I really believe that in my heart

[The Shadow]

Through the history of the Jews theres always someone at sometime trying to kill them off.

What I was saying if it wasn't Hitler it would of been someone else.

Persecution of the Jews do not start with him, and will not end with him.

Thats just a lame excuse.  To say that someone else would have murdered the Jews anyway, is poor, poor excuse for not killing Hitler

Shadow its not an excuse and don't be so naive. Because someone doesn't agree with you views its lame.

Now I have entertained your behaviour long enough.

You act like you know what you're talking about

[Ehud]

I personally feel that a JDL, if it were around in Germany, in the mid 1930's  would have gotten to him early on.  I really believe that in my heart

I think you're right about that, The Shadow.  But JDL might not have existed but for the creation of Israel and the Holocaust.  But, if a group like JDL was around back then, I think they would have gotten the job done.  We have Jews in Israel who were and are willing to assassinate people like Rabin, surely if there were people back then like that they would have tried to assassinate Hitler. 

[The Shadow]

I personally feel that a JDL, if it were around in Germany, in the mid 1930's  would have gotten to him early on.  I really believe that in my heart

I think you're right about that, The Shadow.  But JDL might not have existed but for the creation of Israel and the Holocaust.  But, if a group like JDL was around back then, I think they would have gotten the job done.  We have Jews in Israel who were and are willing to assassinate people like Rabin, surely if there were people back then like that they would have tried to assassinate Hitler. 

Zev, thats why I love you.  You know exactly what I'm talking about, and you even support it with more details

[The Shadow]

Through the history of the Jews theres always someone at sometime trying to kill them off.

What I was saying if it wasn't Hitler it would of been someone else.

Persecution of the Jews do not start with him, and will not end with him.

Thats just a lame excuse.  To say that someone else would have murdered the Jews anyway, is poor, poor excuse for not killing Hitler

Shadow its not an excuse and don't be so naive. Because someone doesn't agree with you views its lame.

Now I have entertained your behaviour long enough.

I haven't dismissed you yet

[Daniel]

I personally feel that a JDL, if it were around in Germany, in the mid 1930's  would have gotten to him early on.  I really believe that in my heart

I think you're right about that, The Shadow.  But JDL might not have existed but for the creation of Israel and the Holocaust.  But, if a group like JDL was around back then, I think they would have gotten the job done.  We have Jews in Israel who were and are willing to assassinate people like Rabin, surely if there were people back then like that they would have tried to assassinate Hitler. 

With all due respect, I don't think it's fair or reasonable to compaire Rabin to Hitler. Hilter wanted to destroy the Jews. Rabin was just wrong as to the best ways to save Israel and the Jews. Also, do we really want to state that Amir is representative of JTF? As much as we disagreed with Rabin, I'd hate to think that we'd endorse an assassination like this.

[The Shadow]

Infidel, I haven't dismissed you yet.  

[Ehud]

I personally feel that a JDL, if it were around in Germany, in the mid 1930's  would have gotten to him early on.  I really believe that in my heart

I think you're right about that, The Shadow.  But JDL might not have existed but for the creation of Israel and the Holocaust.  But, if a group like JDL was around back then, I think they would have gotten the job done.  We have Jews in Israel who were and are willing to assassinate people like Rabin, surely if there were people back then like that they would have tried to assassinate Hitler. 

With all due respect, I don't think it's fair or reasonable to compaire Rabin to Hitler. Hilter wanted to destroy the Jews. Rabin was just wrong as to the best ways to save Israel and the Jews. Also, do we really want to state that Amir is representative of JTF? As much as we disagreed with Rabin, I'd hate to think that we'd endorse an assassination like this.

I wasn't comparing Rabin to Hitler in any way!  I'm just saying that if we have Jews who are willing to assassinate a person like Rabin, surely if there were Jews like them back then, they would have been willing to kill Hitler!

[The Shadow]

I personally feel that a JDL, if it were around in Germany, in the mid 1930's  would have gotten to him early on.  I really believe that in my heart

I think you're right about that, The Shadow.  But JDL might not have existed but for the creation of Israel and the Holocaust.  But, if a group like JDL was around back then, I think they would have gotten the job done.  We have Jews in Israel who were and are willing to assassinate people like Rabin, surely if there were people back then like that they would have tried to assassinate Hitler. 

Daniel, wake up white boy!!  We're not comparing Hitler to Rabin.  All Zev was saying is that people in the movement are willing to assassinate a leader

With all due respect, I don't think it's fair or reasonable to compaire Rabin to Hitler. Hilter wanted to destroy the Jews. Rabin was just wrong as to the best ways to save Israel and the Jews. Also, do we really want to state that Amir is representative of JTF? As much as we disagreed with Rabin, I'd hate to think that we'd endorse an assassination like this.

[The Shadow]

Zev, I really believe that some of the members here just like to argue for the point of arguing.  I mean it was so obvious what you meant.  Unbelievable

[Ambiorix]

I have often wondered this question and more, but having researched the history of the times, here's why it didn't happen:
-The Jews of Germany were loyal to Germany, considered themselves German Jews, considered themselves the elite of world Jewry, and Germany was the most advanced of the Western countries at that time.
-The first thing Hitler did upon taking power was to ban firearm ownership and he had all of the weapons registered and then rounded them all up.
-Jews for many generations have always told their sons "Be a good little Jewish boy"..."don't fight"..."don't fight back"..."you show them that you won't stoop to their level".
-Most important reason--The Nazi Reich was an episode unparalleled in world history.  Unlike today, there was no precedent for such a monstrous regime in a civilized Western country, and most Jews as well as non-Jews practiced denial ("Hitler's just a lot of talk & hot air"..."He just says those things about the Jews just to get the ignorant masses to support him"..."You'll see"..."once he's in power he'll forget all of that Jew nonsense".
-In addition to the reasons above, it should be recognized that each and every act and legislation of the Nazi Regime happened in small incremental steps.  Each time a new law was passed, the Jews would say "Well"..."we can still live with it"..."after all, we're still here"..."nobody's actually done anything to us."  You throw a frog in a boiling pot of water, and it'll jump right out.  Throw a frog in a pot of water and then add a little heat and then a little more...and the frog won't jump out...staying in the pot until boiled.

I think that the support for the nazis came from various sides.
Much of WWI had to do with the German-English economical relation.
Note that Germany indeed was a powerful Industrial nation. And that Jewish-German scientist were among the best. If not the best.

In "Mein Kampf" adolf hitler ;
1) claims that the Jews, and left-wing socialists, and their dominant role in the German media in 1918, were the cause of demoralising the Germans in WWI.
And that this caused the German Army to surrender, where, in fact the war wasn't lost at all.
2) the Jews are responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution , and the killing of the Czar.
3) all other claims, conspiracy theories are more or less an invitation to expel or exterminate Jews.

The European establishment in the 19th century in Germany-Austria, also France,... was very anti-semitical. Nazism, was an over-reaction to the defeat of Germany, and a culmination of 19th century anti-semitism.

Note that the WWI would have been lost a lot earlier if Fritz Haber (wiki him) hadn't made his chemical explosives inventions.
Note that the same is now happening in Russia. Who is acting now , and killing Putin??
 

[Ambiorix]

I know darn well, that other people wonder the exact same thing

Really? Everyone that I know see the problem was far bigger than one individual.

If it was as simple as that, there would be no Nazi's today now would there.

Hitler is dead therefore Nazi movement dies. I don't think so.

If Hitler died, it would have been a HUGE blow to the Nazi movement if it was done on time.  It would have been impossible to replace Adolf Hitler with the sort of charismatic leader that was required to accomplish what the Nazis did.

If Hitler were never born, the Holocaust probably would have never happened, or it at least would have happened very differently.  It's hard to admit, but sometimes the fate of millions of people comes to the decisions and influence of one man. 

I personally agree that without adolf hitler, the nazism, WWII and Holocaust wouldn't have happened.

[Ambiorix]

Liebensraum  undermenschen are  spelled :

Lebensraum: "room to live" i.e. "colonisation of "Ost-Gebiete" ; Russia and destruction of Slavonic race"
Untermenschen: sub-human, opposite of Übermenschen: super-human.

(The biologicalisation of the concept of Übermensch was criticized by Nietzsche in "Ecce Homo")

[newman]

Before shitler ever came to power, he was (naively) considered a nutter who would amount to nothing.

After his rise to power, no Jew could have got close to him. Jews were ALL disarmed, no Jew could hold a Janitor's job in government service-much less got within cooee of the chancellor.

[q_q_]

The jews didn`t put a bullet in Hitler because they they did not have guns. Like in america.

Just like british muslims have not shot anybody in britain.

The only people in britain that seem to get hold of guns, are black criminals!

Also, black people in britain are not quite as bad as in america. The criminal ones are criminal. But they don`t have organisations like the blank panthers. Liberal jews here have not built anything for them, didn`t and don`t live in the same areas. They had no martin luther king here - didn`t have a need for one either. And I haven`t heard of a "nation of islam" movement in britain like in america.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...But, if a group like JDL was around back then, I think they would have gotten the job done..."

A direct parallel can not be made, but there was a group headed by Vladimir Jabotinsky, who made attempt after attempt to warn the Jewish communities of Europe that "a storm is coming" and begged them to leave immediately for the Land of Israel.

He did raise up an all Jewish paramilitary group, but his beliefs were Zionist, and he did not envision Jews remaining in Europe and fighting for their human rights.

In my personal opinion he was correct in his thinking, because nothing could have stopped the Nazi Holocaust.

It's even possible that had an assassin killed Hitler, his subordinates could have carried on with his vision.

Perhaps the overall outcome and direction of WWII may have taken a different path, but the Jews of Europe would not have fared much better, if at all.

Most are not aware of this fact, but the truth is that there were Jews remaining in Nazi Germany even up to the final last years of the War.

Of course, we can assume that by 1943, the remaining German Jews had not a few misgivings about how they had scoffed at Jabotinsky and cursed the Labor Zionists who warned them to get out of Europe.

Rabbi Kahane taught as one of his main tenets, that the Holocaust was entirely the action of Ha'Shem as punishment for the Jews refusing to obey Torah and return to our own Land of Israel.

I remember how when he explained his beliefs to an audience of American rabbis and American Jews, they gasped in horror and disbelief and asked him...

"Rabbi, are you saying that the Holocaust was a punishment from G-d?"

"Are you saying that it was a blessing?" replied Rabbi Kahane.