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jdl4ever:
Tzvi Ben Roshel, I disagree with you. Any event that mixes Jewish boys and girls is very good for marriage and have a high success rate. My parents went to these in the 1970's before they got into this Cheredi nonsense and these event had very high success rates and my parents met people to date at all the events. That's the problem with the dating crisis today, the Charedi Yeshivas got literally crazy and veered away from previous generations and tell you to not even speak to a Jewish girl, or even go to a mixed college, and then they are surprised when many Jews are having difficulty getting married. It's their own fault. I hear their singles events consist of women and men sitting seperatly listening to a lecture. That is not a singles event. Singles events must mix men and women together.
jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on November 20, 2007, 10:06:31 PM ---There should be mixed events but they should be Shomer Negiah. Do you agree?
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I agree. I also think for non observant Jews they should make non-Shomer Negiah events so they would marry Jews and not intermarry.
jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on November 20, 2007, 10:39:32 PM ---Are you Shomer Negiah?
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I consider myself Shomer Negiah but not to the extreme. When I date a girl I don't touch them. But I do shake hands with women when it is necessary to be courteous and I do examine women patients in the hospital. If I do get engaged, I have no problem touching the girl or hugging her, just nothing provocative.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on November 20, 2007, 10:29:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on November 20, 2007, 10:06:31 PM ---There should be mixed events but they should be Shomer Negiah. Do you agree?
--- End quote ---
I agree. I also think for non observant Jews they should make non-Shomer Negiah events so they would marry Jews and not intermarry.
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I agree first part, but not second part. Their shouldn't be compromises by saying ooh if your not religious you can touch and dance etc. Their is one Torah truth and we cant allow compromise to some kid becuase he wants to do what he feels like doing. What are you going to say next encourage them to have xxx just not to intermarry?
People you dont understand that all of these events and even trips is not allowed. for example look at how disgusting Birthright is. When people go to Israel they are taken to all of these clubs and their drinking and doing all of the other garbage all in the name of soo called connecting to Israel? Then we ask why G-d brings terror attacks to kids expecially in the clubs in Tel-Aviv.
I understand that people want to do the Mitzva of marrying a Jewish man and a Jewish women. BUT the way to do that is not by making all of these partyies, which actually psychologically give the green light for people to then later go clubbin, etc. (and even if they allready do) to justify it, and not make Tishuva.
This is actually similar to what happened in Parsha Pinhas, where Pinhas kills Zimri and his girl. Zimri didnt take her necessarily becuase of lust (he was a prince of a tribe (Shimon) he could have gotten allmost any Jewish girl he wanted. What he was doing is saying okay now he will take the lady from the other nation and bring her in to the Israelite tents, and kosher something that's not allowed. He was trying to reform something not allowed.
jdl4ever:
Tzvi, Shomer Negiah is beyond the letter of the law and is not required, so we are not making a separate Torah for the not religious Jews, we are using the same Torah but we ourselves chose to go beyond the letter of the law. We are not allowed to force our fellow Jews to go beyond the letter of the Torah, this is the negative commandment of going to the right of what the Torah commands which is a very severe sin. If we chose to so on our own that is fine, but we can not make up our own Torah and force others to go beyond what the Torah requires. The Torah allows mixed dancing and men and women going out to clubs. If you and me don't want to do it because we want to go beyond the letter of the law (yes, I also don't do mixed dancing), that's fine but don't force your fellow Jews to do the same. This is what I mean that the Charedim go crazy because they are not educated in basic Torah and think that it is forbidden to touch women which is not true, it is beyond the letter of the law. The Rambam and the Ramban both say that touching women is not forbidden, only sexual touching is prohibited according to the Rambam biblically and according to the Ramaban Rabbinically only.
BTW what's wrong with going to a bar and meeting a Jewish girl?
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