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Offline Sarah

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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2008, 05:57:02 PM »
Shalom Chaim,

When Judaism speaks of "An eye for an eye.....", revenge is the concept that is extracted. However why isn't it considered the same thing as Justice and thought to mean that? Justice, means a trial, punishment and your own back for example, with compensation or any other penalty lawful by religion......thats kind of equal to revenge isn't?. I believe the idea of revenge, that most people consider, of hating the enemy expressed through violence or just speech, is silly because it just creates a vicious circle. One person is killed then due to revenge everybody else dies too and nothing is solved or at peace.

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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2008, 09:19:25 PM »
Shalom Chaim,
Do you think that we should rely on Jews before we rely on Gentiles? Do you feel that we must trust ourselves before outsiders? Rav Kahane had Jews that cared defend Jews who didnt, do you agree with this policy, and if not, why not?

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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2008, 09:46:45 PM »
Dear Chaim,

My question is this, should Jewish Task Force support mentally ill people carrying guns? And not have a balanced view on self defence?

I am sorry once again I will not know you answer, hopefully someone will tell me. I am very restricted on any video or MP3 format.

Be well, and thank you.



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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2008, 03:49:17 AM »
Shalom Chaim,

I heard what you staid about Churchill being as bad as Hitler and i have to say that i disagree...

First of all you spoke of how the British military sunk jews on ships bound for Israel, and while that did happen it was not Churchill that gave those orders.. He very much wanted the jews to live in Israel and later down the track his actions proved this.

Secondly, you made a sweeping statement about how Churchill refused to bomb the railroad lines leading to the death camps. At what point of the war were you referring to, remembering they only had access to those areas you speak of until 1944/1945.. and fighter planes back then could only travel a small distance before having to refuel.

Chaim i know you mean well but the point to be remembered is that Churchill did control every facet of the political arena in Britain which at the time i agree was vehemently anti-semetic but when he was given the chance to put things right by the jews he did...


P.S Are there sources of Information that agree with your rough analysis on Churchill as bad a Hitler ?

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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2008, 10:19:09 PM »
Lately, I have heard and read about this so called "Khazar theory" which states that Ashkenazi Jews are primarily descended from Khazarian converts to Judaism and that we're not really descended from the original ancient Israelite tribes. I find this notion absolutely preposterous on its face and find it completely offensive and see this as nothing more as neo-Nazi and black supremacist propaganda that was manufactured for the sole purpose of invalidating Zionism. What do you know about this topic and can you share with us the origin and motivation behind this theory? Thanks.

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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2008, 12:07:55 PM »
Shalom Chaim,
What book of R' Meir Kahane would you recommend to read the most ?
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It's Ashkenazi Jews that came up with this theory, the first one was an Israeli name Avraham Folak and later on Arthur Koestler made that theory a bit more famouse. The Nazis liked this theory because it solves the paradox of hating Jews and that Juses was a Jew. So now they use it as their propagnda.
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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2008, 07:31:31 PM »
Shalom Chaim

This is a very long question; nevertheless, it is imperative that it is addressed in some meaningful fashion.

It can be said that certain aspects of the JTF ideology are logically unsound because they descend into fallacies of association, specifically the bad company fallacy and the closely related reductio ad Hitlerum (reduction to Hitler or the Nazis).

1. JTF often attempts to delegitimize perceived enemies such as MLK or Barack Obama by emphasizing an association, however tenuous, to controversial groups such as communists, the Congressional black caucus, the Nation of Islam, or other black radicals.

This form of argumentation violates philosophical principles and reasoning. Below is an example of the accurate premises and the faulty conclusion that tends to be expressed over the duration of a show.

The Nation of Islam provided body guards and hosted speeches for MLK.
The Nation of Islam is a black supremacist organization.
Therefore, MLK supports black supremacy.

2. At times, JTF injects 'Hitler' or the 'Nazis' inappropriately in order to derail opposition by adding undue emotion, rhetoric and hyperbole to an argument. Reductio ad Hitlerum was derived by Chicago school thinker Leo Strauss in 1950. Though it often contains fallacies of association, it is more often used as a wrong direction fallacy or an ad hominem

An example:
Hillary Clinton strongly favors socialist economic policies.
The Nazis strongly held these and similar beliefs that subsequently led to the murder of millions of people.
Hillary Clinton holds dangerous Nazi beliefs.

My overall point is that there are enough valid arguments that can be constructed against Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or whomever. You inform people of many reasons, such as Hillary's remarks about Jews and her support for bombing the Serbs.

I am not suggesting that you abandon your principles or basic style. I am suggesting that for the sake of honesty, you may have to abandon certain features of argumentation of which you are accustomed if you want to more successfully get the message across. In such a scenario, critics will have to focus on the truthful things you are saying instead of pointing out the apparent flaws in your technique.

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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2008, 08:02:08 PM »
If Jews are not allowed to hunt. Are jews allowed to use mouse traps or other?  What about mammal trapping?

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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2008, 08:38:20 PM »
How would a Kahanist government react more harshly towards a republication of the Stalags than towards even "normal" pornography?

Here's an excerpt of a New York Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/06/world/middleeast/06stalags.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin) on the Stalags:

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The books told perverse tales of captured American or British pilots being abused by sadistic female SS officers outfitted with whips and boots. The plot usually ended with the male protagonists taking revenge, by raping and killing their tormentors...the Stalags were a distinctly Israeli genre, created by Israeli publishers and penned by Israeli authors, although they had masqueraded as translations from English and were written in the first person as if they were genuine memoirs.


I ask because it seems as though they combine porn with a desecration of the memory of the Nazis' victims.

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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2008, 11:21:20 PM »
Hi Chaim, I know a few months ago you had an Israeli attorney working on gaining you entry into Israel. I was wondering what came of that and if their is still work being done on your behalf. Thanks so much.
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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2008, 01:25:07 AM »
Chaim,

We just had our second daughter. O0 She was born healthy and gorgeous, at 9lbs. Paraphrasing rabbi Kahane ZT"L, HY"D, in one of his speeches,  we are repaying our debt to Hitler of 2 million Jewish babies. So you see, having dogs does not preclude one from having children ;)

You know,  to one extent or other, I disagree with you on quite a few subjects, but one thing is for certain - I consider you a great man, a tzadik and a very lucky person because you have had the privilege to meet and to work for HaRav Kahane. I would like to ask you two things:

1) A blessing for my older daughter and for the newborn one.
2) A promise that you, this year, day after day, will do atmost to establish a family - this has to be your priority number 1 this year and I don't think you are very serious about fullfiling this goal - Israel is full of eligible single women.

I really wish you to live a FULL life and, one day, to hold your grandchildren in your house in a liberated and secure Israel,overlooking beautiful Judean mountains and fields. Get serious about it!
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Re: Ask JTF For January 13 Broadcast
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2008, 09:49:30 AM »
The Lubavitch website http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm said and I quote:

The Talmud  records sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":
He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).


Does the Talmud say derogatory things about Jesus? It's OK if you'd rather not comment.