Hateful Shinui Election Video

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=K1Nc3PrPzPk

It's in Hebrew, but can easily be understood.

[OdKahaneChai]

Disgusting...

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Flag it for religious hatred!

No not necessary, I think the guy who put it up is pro- Israel, but just has different election video's. Its not necessary to flag it, it reveals a lot about them which is good.

[DownwithIslam]

First of all, I hate shinui and I am happy they are no longer in existence. They were a dispicable party in which all of its members acted like they wanted to be muzzies. They were self hating kikes. Bearing that in mind, their was some truth to that video. Of course they put out that message for the wrong reasons but they were not entirely wrong. Alot of the Chareidim in Israel just collect taxes and don't serve in the army. The truth is that these chareidim are also very anti zionist and want israel to be destroyed even though they live there and collect welfare. If you watch the vid carefully, you will notice that the religious guys they depict were all dressed up like Chasidim. They did not show people dressed up as settlers because the message they were trying to convey is that all the chasidim are parasites who don't pay any taxes, contribute nothing and don't go to the army. Even though they hate the settlers and want to surrender the land, they could't depict the settlers in that manner because they all go to the army. I hate shinui but I don't believe they were wrong in this case. 

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

First of all, I hate shinui and I am happy they are no longer in existence. They were a dispicable party in which all of its members acted like they wanted to be muzzies. They were self hating kikes. Bearing that in mind, their was some truth to that video. Of course they put out that message for the wrong reasons but they were not entirely wrong. Alot of the Chareidim in Israel just collect taxes and don't serve in the army. The truth is that these chareidim are also very anti zionist and want israel to be destroyed even though they live there and collect welfare. If you watch the vid carefully, you will notice that the religious guys they depict were all dressed up like Chasidim. They did not show people dressed up as settlers because the message they were trying to convey is that all the chasidim are parasites who don't pay any taxes, contribute nothing and don't go to the army. Even though they hate the settlers and want to surrender the land, they could't depict the settlers in that manner because they all go to the army. I hate shinui but I don't believe they were wrong in this case. 

  , may G-d keep you in the exile. I posted that video to show the hatred agains't the religious, and you use that to promote more hatred. This myth and propaganda agains't the religious has to stop. Why isn't anyone complaining when the state sponsers sports, or art, or all the other non-sense? but when it comes to them giving a few dollers to yeshiva, then no thats unacceptable. Fact is that most yeshiva's are very poor with bare minimums. And also some dont even get $ - expecially the Satmer Hassidim who in their opinion dont want to have this exact situation (but now I would expect people to criticise them, becuase how could they not take $ from the state).

[DownwithIslam]

Tzvi can you refute what I said? Lets have an honest discussion about this.

[DownwithIslam]

Satmar Chasidim are the most vile scum of the earth so I will not discuss them other than two wish death on them. Ask Chaim what he thinks of Satmar if you don't believe me. I do believe that the religious are hated in Israel and I believe Chaim talked about this issue six or seven months ago. He said that people like Shas and the anti zionist chasidim who live in Israel give the religious a bad name and it makes it hard for Kahanists to connect with the non religious because they think everyone with a kippa is like Shas or the chasidim. Whenever you have entire neighborhoods not serving in the army, spewing venomous hatred against anyone who is not like them and collecting welfare, you have a perfect reasons for that group to be disliked.

[DownwithIslam]

And the govt unfortunately gives out deferments to these people so don't tell me they are not supported.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

 "Alot of the Chareidim in Israel just collect taxes and don't serve in the army."
     everyone pays taxes, I assume that when you buy goods and services you pay taxes too. Also what about the many secular who get $. Fact is that the whole Israeli system the way it is set up is that people get $ from the government, secular, religious, Haredim, Settlers, etc. - its the currect socialist system that is set up in this way. Same with army, some serve, some dont, but anyway I dont see a point in serving right now. What's the army going to accomplish when you are expected to fight with your hands behind your back. Also many have a problem because the army doesn't follow Jewish Law the way it is supposed to be. + some study Torah which exempts them, just like it does a secular who studies in university.

"The truth is that these chareidim are also very anti zionist and want israel to be destroyed even though they live there and collect welfare."
 Not all, again it is a lie, and propaganda, spread by the state to promote devision and for Jews to denouce Judasim. Yes, many want the regime gone (as do I and most people here), but an outright destruction??? that would mean that they would die also. Also if they have hatred for the actions of the secular it is perfectly justified, becuase the way secular society is and what it promotes is evil.

[DownwithIslam]

Tzvi, we are all against what the army is doing now but the people you are talking about are against serving period. They didn't serve in 1967 either. Also, I am not referring to people who are against the current regime as I am against it as well. I am addressing the fact that their are very large groups of "religious jews" who live in Israel but are anti Zionist in principle as opposed to being against the regime.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Satmar Chasidim are the most vile scum of the earth so I will not discuss them other than two wish death on them. Ask Chaim what he thinks of Satmar if you don't believe me. I do believe that the religious are hated in Israel and I believe Chaim talked about this issue six or seven months ago. He said that people like Shas and the anti zionist chasidim who live in Israel give the religious a bad name and it makes it hard for Kahanists to connect with the non religious because they think everyone with a kippa is like Shas or the chasidim. Whenever you have entire neighborhoods not serving in the army, spewing venomous hatred against anyone who is not like them and collecting welfare, you have a perfect reasons for that group to be disliked.

Shas is not vile, the secular are vile, and disgusting, and the scumm of the earth (the truly secular who promote anti-Judaism ideology, and the morons who believe their propaganda).
   Who says that promoting and supporting zionism is Jewish, and now I perfectly understand why all this time the Religious hated the zionistic movement.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Tzvi, we are all against what the army is doing now but the people you are talking about are against serving period. They didn't serve in 1967 either. Also, I am not referring to people who are against the current regime as I am against it as well. I am addressing the fact that their are very large groups of "religious jews" who live in Israel but are anti Zionist in principle as opposed to being against the regime.

We dont like them becuase they gave away land, they didn't like them because they took the children of Israel away from Judaism, which is perfectly justified.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

I think you do not understand. A truly religious Jew would rather see his child physically murdered by a Nazi then for him to grow up as a goy without mitzvot.

[DownwithIslam]

Supporting zionism in its truest sense is jewish and something noble. The jewish people need a country of their own without all the groups like shas who would sell the whole country down the toilet for a few shekels. This conversation has made me understand why the religious are so hated by the secular. I am not saying I agree with it totally but I certainly can understand where they are coming from.

[DownwithIslam]

Tzvi I am not sure if you heard that show but Chaim very eliquently explained why shas was the scum of the earth a few months ago.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Supporting zionism in its truest sense is jewish and something noble. The jewish people need a country of their own without all the groups like shas who would sell the whole country down the toilet for a few shekels. This conversation has made me understand why the religious are so hated by the secular. I am not saying I agree with it totally but I certainly can understand where they are coming from.

They are hated becuase the secular are jealous and are reminded of their imperfections when they see a religious Jew with a kippa. It reminds them that G-d judges their actions, and the hardcore truly want(ed) to get ride of G-d from the Jewish people. Fact is that from its inception, political zionism has been a curse, and its founders and leaders (including Herzl YSV) wanted and tried to create a nation for their power, and a european style nation out of the Jews.

[DownwithIslam]

Tzvi, nobody on this forum is against religious jews. I just feel that you refuse to see the faults in certain types of religious jews. Why don't you link chaim to this thread so he could see what was said by both of us and lets see what he says. If he says I am wrong than I will admit fault.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Tzvi I am not sure if you heard that show but Chaim very eliquently explained why shas was the scum of the earth a few months ago.

I dont remember, but soo what? Then Chaim is wrong, plain out. I recently read some of the things that Rav Ovadia Yosef was saying, and why doesn't anyone mention that he called Arabs snakes and said that they should be killed? or the other positive things he was saying, but when it comes to something written in haaretz or some other lashon hara spreading paper, everyone brings it up to attention.
  LEts deal with the REAL issue that some of you (you expecially) have, and that's hatred man. Plain and simple, you just hate them.

[DownwithIslam]

I think Chaim couldn't of been more right. Ask him if you think I am lying. Anyhow, I hope you realise that ones opinion need not be accepted by all. I hope you understand that as it's healthy. You claim that I have hatred towards the religious which is a totally retarded thing to, say with all due respect. I guess that would mean that I hate Chaim Ben Pesach which isn't the case.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

http://www.shofar.net/site/ProductsList.asp?id=864&Category=3

- Rav Amnon Yitzhak Slita, exposing a lot of the propaganda agains't the Haredim, also about G-d and the importance and reasons why Jews must connect to their true identity- which is the Torah. Its in Hebrew, with English subtitles, which is a good way to learn Hebrew. 
 Also the contreversial video "Herzel and Zionism" is on their, which was something that opened my eyes wide open, in it exposing the truth.

[DownwithIslam]

Tzvi, I agree that the rabbi you have linked above is a good man. That has nothing to do with what we discussed above as I told you that I have nothing against religious jews. I only hate the select few I described and I think you know that.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Yes it actually does. In many of his lectures, he brings up just these exact points, of their being hatred and division. The fact is that he himself was targeted and they spinned a lot of what he was saying and made it appear as if he was a Rabbi who was for Jews dieng in the army. Soo, when they keep pumping propaganda into you, you belive their spins and propaganda, many times the same type that the Nazi's used to describe Jews as perasites and living off the people of Germany (now replace Jews with Haredim, and Germany with the state of Israel).

[DownwithIslam]

Well Tzvi, I once saw a video about this rabbi and he seemed like a good man. He was helping a lot of people. I don't know much more about him and I don't know his positions on the issues. I hope he takes kahanist positions but unfortunately many rabbis don't. As far as believing the media lies, I do not derive my opinions from the media.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Well Tzvi, I once saw a video about this rabbi and he seemed like a good man. He was helping a lot of people. I don't know much more about him and I don't know his positions on the issues. I hope he takes kahanist positions but unfortunately many rabbis don't. As far as believing the media lies, I do not derive my opinions from the media.

 I heard the Rav once say, great another Shas supporter, as a non-religious Jew was becoming Jewish again, he come to the stage and said Shehiyanu on Tzitzit. I also remember that the Rav was talking about the leftists in theirs pent houses in Tel-aviv telling Jews in other places (expecially the poorer Sefaradim) to welcome and get along with the arabs, etc. but he was exposing their hypocracy and said that if they are so not-racist and humanist let them invite the arabs to their pent-houses, and let them invade their neighborhoods (which means that the leftists shouldn't be inposing this integration, and spread of Arabs to Jewish neighborhoods expecially to the Sefaradi ones, also about the hypocracy of the wealthy leftist elite).

 The Rabbis main objective is for Jews to connect to Judasim again, I dont belive that he talks a lot about politics, etc, except when it comes to exposing the left, also also their control of everything.

[DownwithIslam]

So is this rabbi Yitzchak a shas supporter?