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Dexter:

--- Quote from: Raulmarrio2000 on December 08, 2007, 09:38:32 PM ---Korbanot can be translated as sacrifices, exactly. But the meaning is a bit different. Korban in Hebrew means "to bring near". Korbanot are the offerings to G-d ancient Noahide made, and also the offering of the Israelites in the Tabernacle and the Temple. Today Jews cannot do it since they still haven't rebuilt the Temple. Noahides had abandoned the practise long ago, since original Noahides were gradually led ashtray by paganism. But now Noahides are returning.....

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No, it doesn't. "To Bring near" is "Lekarev".

OdKahaneChai:

--- Quote from: Dexter on December 14, 2007, 01:14:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Raulmarrio2000 on December 08, 2007, 09:38:32 PM ---Korbanot can be translated as sacrifices, exactly. But the meaning is a bit different. Korban in Hebrew means "to bring near". Korbanot are the offerings to G-d ancient Noahide made, and also the offering of the Israelites in the Tabernacle and the Temple. Today Jews cannot do it since they still haven't rebuilt the Temple. Noahides had abandoned the practise long ago, since original Noahides were gradually led ashtray by paganism. But now Noahides are returning.....

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No, it doesn't. "To Bring near" is "Lekarev".

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It actually does, Dexter.  You need to shape up on your Biblical Hebrew!  ;)

shemtov:
Noachide Korban - this is going to keep me up nights!

By general rule, the Noachide korban cannot replicate the Jewish korban, but it would have to be carried out in a similar manner. There's matters of the mizbe'ach and it's construction.

Looking in the Torah I find in Bereishis 8:20 - Then Noach BUILT a mizbe'ach to G-d and took of every kosher animal and kosher bird and made burnt offerings on the mizbe'ach. I put an emphasis on "built" because this would compare to Bereishis 9:20-21 "Noach, the man of the Earth, debased himself and PLANTED a vineyard. He drank of the wine and became intoxicated..."

In both cases Torah refers to the preparation to the act. If you know anything about wine making, there is a considerable effort in cultivating grapes to produce wine. By the same token, the act of building the mizbe'ach is mentioned and one can infer that Noach's mizbe'ach took a significant effort to built. If it was merely a flat rock, the act of building a mizbe'ach would not be mentioned.

It would be a chillul Hashem to make a copy of either the copper or gold mizbe'ach, but the mizbe'ach would have to be something constructed in a manner similar to the way they were constructed and you have to consider things like the prohibition against striking the stones with iron. Good luck finding a shamir!   

Assuming you can figure out how to build a mizbe'ach, your next challenge is that you would have to learn to be a shochet. An animal improperly slaughtered would be piggul.

At this point, one would think it would be wise start with small animals like kosher birds. There's another wrinkle there since birds were slaughtered using a technique called melikah where the kohen used his thumbnail to to puncture the back of the bird's neck and cut through to the front.

In the case of Noach, the Torah specifies a burnt offering. Burnt offering in the Jewish korban were not eaten, but burnt entirely on the outer mizbe'ach of the Beis Hamikdash.

I'm going to have to study this some more.

shemtov:
Update:

This is only preliminary research. I'm going to have to discuss this with rabbonim.

The Noachide mizbe'ach would have to be specially constructed for the only purpose of korbanot and no other use.

It should be constructed of naturally occurring materials (rocks).

It's dimensions are not critical, but gematria should be considered in dimensions. An access ramp would not be needed so long as there is no chance of "offerer" accidentally exposing himself.

Above I mentioned melikah. This is outlined in Vayikra 5:8 and since it is specifically Jewish, a Noachide "offerer" would probably only have to perform shechita.

The offering itself can be any kosher animal. It could be eaten, but only within close proximity to the mizbe'ach. I don't see any particular reason for the meat to not be refridgerated and eaten at a later time, so long as some of it is eaten immediately and it does not leave the close proximity of the mizbe'ach.

I would define close proximity as a "Talmud mile" or 2000 amah, which would be 3000'.

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