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Bible Is Scientifically Accurate!!!
« on: September 04, 2006, 06:51:13 PM »

      The Spherical Shape of the Earth - "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (Isaiah 40:22).
      The Earth is suspended in nothing - "He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7).

      The Stars are Innumerable - "He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars -- if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be" (Genesis 15:5).

      The Existence of Valleys in the Seas - "The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils" (2 Samuel 22:16).

      The Existence of Springs and Fountains in the Seas - "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month -- on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11). See also Gen. 8:2; Prov. 8:28.

      The Existence of Water Paths (Ocean Currents) in the Seas - "O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!...When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,...You made him [man] ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet...the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas" (Psalm 8:1,3,6,8).

      The Hydrologic Cycle - "He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight" (Job 26:8.
      - "He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind" (Job 36:27-28)
      - "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7).

      The Concept of Entropy - "In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded" (Psalm 102:25-26).

      The Nature of Health, Sanitation, and Sickness - The scriptural references are Leviticus chapters 12 through 14.

     Circumcision on the 8th day:  Pro-Thrombin/Vitamin K which is necessary for blood clotting is fomed in the human body on the 8th day only
Isaiah 62:1 -  For Zion's sake I am not silent, And for Jerusalem's sake I do not rest, Till her righteousness go out as brightness, And her salvation, as a torch that burns.

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Re: Bible Is Scientifically Accurate!!!
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2006, 10:16:51 PM »
TONS more DEEP science from the Bible:

A lot of these are free to listen to. Check out "Scientific Data Supporting Creation".
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Re: Bible Is Scientifically Accurate!!!
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2006, 06:18:15 PM »
Excellent post ChristianZionist!

Unfortunately, Jeffguy, most, if not all, of those speakers compromise the Genesis account of a six-literal day Creation so they can bring it in line with the discredited billions-of-years big-bang theory of modern science. Reinterpreting Torah to fit the dogmas of secular scientists they play fast and loose with the language, spiritualizing the literal and appealing to other 'authorities' fanciful speculations in place of what God has clearly written.

In addition to the ones listed above, my favorite true science proof of the Bible's divine origin, and a lesson that we should take it literally, is the following -- and it thrills me every time I think about it . . .

Nineteenth century atheistic scientist-philiosopher, Herbert Spencer, after a lifetime of study, announced he had discovered that everything in the Universe may be fit into one of five categories: Time, Force, Action, Space and Matter.

Think about it - it's true! Anything you can think of will fit into one of those five categories.

Naturally the world hailed him for this brilliant intellectual and scientific discovery. Great crowning achievement!

What neither he nor the world knew though, was that God had revealed the same thing to Moses, and Moses told it to us, thousands of years earlier, in the very first verse of the Bible!

"In the beginning" - Time

"God" - Force

"Created" - Action

"The Heavens" - Space

"And the earth." - Matter

The Bible IS scientifically accurate -- when you believe it and interpret it literally!

« Last Edit: September 08, 2006, 06:31:23 PM by yephora »

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2006, 08:40:42 PM »
The Bible IS scientifically accurate -- when you believe it and interpret it literally!

I disagree with the second part of your conclusion (with respect
to the story of creation).

Of course, HaShem could have created the world in six literal days,
and artificially plant objects that looked like dinosaur bones just to
confuse us and try our faith.  But why would He do that?

Instead of discrediting science and the scientific method, we can
use it to better understand Creation.  After all, scientists, who for
the most part are atheists, independently arrived at the Big Bang
theory, which is their version of "Let there be Light."

I think that the "days" in the story of creation are not literal, and
that the mention of "Taninim HaGdolim" ("the big alligators") was
an allusion to dinosaurs (ancient Hebrew did not have a separate
word for "dinosaur", and "big alligator" was the best approximation
Moshe Rabeinu could come up with).

Anyway, that's my opinion.

BTW, I disagree with the description of the forum's topic.  The
Jewish Idea is not Rabbi Kahane's idea.  It is the authentic truth
and original spirit of the Torah, that has been forgotten with
time (as was predicted by our rabbis), but that was revived and
rekindled by Rabbi Kahane.  The copyright (so to speak) for the
Jewish Idea does not belong to Rabbi Kahane---it belongs to
HaShem.  But Rabbi Kahane is credited with rediscovering the
lost truth and reminding us about it.

Sadly, there are still Jews who, despite learning about the Jewish
Idea, reject it and continue to practice phony, Galut Judaism,
even in Israel, and we all know who those Jews are.
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Re: Bible Is Scientifically Accurate!!!
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2006, 09:57:07 PM »
Davkakach wrote: Of course, HaShem could have created the world in six literal days,
and artificially plant objects that looked like dinosaur bones just to
confuse us and try our faith.  But why would He do that?

Please elaborate on this. I'm not sure of what point you are making.

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2006, 02:12:53 AM »
The point I am trying to make is that the universe was not created
in six literal days.  Everything in the oral tradition that relates to the
spiritual significance of Bereish't is accurate, but, in my opinion, the
physical process by which HaShem's commands of creation were
manifested were governed by the laws of physics.  (Of course, the
laws of physics, themselves, are also part of HaShem's creation.)

Here's how I see it, based on my very limited understanding of
Torah, Halacha, history, and the laws of physics.  When Moshe Rabeinu
ascended to Mount Sinai to receive our Blessed Torah, HaShem
communicated to Moshe, besides the commandments and oral law,
the story of creation.

Now, think about it, for a second.

The Creator of the Universe communicates to His beloved Moshe the story
of creation!  This was no mere dictation, but rather a majestic, glorious
vision of the entire creation story.  Imagine a combined production of
the History Channel, Discovery Channel, Hollywood computer-generated
special effects, surround sound technology, IMAX theater visuals and audio,
and magnify this awesome experience by a billion, and you'd still be
nowhere near what Moshe must have seen and heard and felt as
HaShem was running for him a replay of the story of creation in
fast-forward (so to speak), starting with "Let there be Light" (Big
Bang), on through star dust cooling and gathering to form planets,
suns, constellations, atmospheres, oceans, flora, fauna, and culminating
in the creation of mankind that will appreciate and worship HaShem,
all under HaShem's benign and loving guidance.

By all scientific accounts, the first few billion years of creation are not
particularly interesting, in the sense that during this time mostly what
happens is that cosmic dust is cooling, slowing down from the Big Bang,
and attracted together to form planets.  So you can imagine it would
make sense to run this part of the "tape" faster.  As you get closer to our
time, it makes more sense to slow down the "tape," as more interesting
things are starting to happen.  An atmosphere and oceans appear on
planet Earth.  Vegetation covers the ground.  Life forms begin to
appear (i.e. are created by HaShem) inside and outside the oceans.
Gigantic dinosaurs roam the Earth (imagine Moshe experiences this
breathtaking sight just like the awestruck guests of Professor Alan in
the movie Jurassic Park).

At this point, the Torah stops the flow of the narrative and emphasizes
that HaShem also created "HaTaninim HaGedolim."  The literal
translation of HaTaninim HaGedolim is "big alligators."  You can interpret
it literally, but I interpret it as an allusion to the dinosaurs, which, to
Moshe looked like very big alligators.  And so the Torah tells us that
even these majestic, gigantic, incredible creatures,that only Moshe was
privileged to see, and that today we, too, can see thanks to computer
animation, were part of HaShem's creation, so that when our generation,
scientifically advanced, but, sadly, morally and spiritually backward,
discovers the remains of those marvelous creatures, instead of doubting
the story of Creation, it will serve for us as an affirmation of the timeless
truth of the Torah.

(Sadly, we know that exactly the opposite has happened.  The discovery
of dinosaurs' bones only served to give ammunition to the atheist
ignoramuses in their relentless war against HaShem's Word and His

As the story of Creation approaches the creation of Mankind, the
fast-forward of the "tape" slows down further and further, because
this is the most interesting part of the story, and it is saved for last.
Whereas the first "day" lasted in reality billions of years, the sixth "day"
lasted tens of thousands of years.  Moshe witnessed tribes of pre-modern
man inventing primitive tools and weapons, hunting, gathering, and
cultivating the land, exploiting HaShem's world, ruling over the beasts
of the field and the fish of the sea.  That's where the vision of the
story of creation ends.

That is my interpretation.  Back to your comment.

Please elaborate on this. I'm not sure of what point you are making.

My point is this:  If the science-friendly interpretation above causes you
to have doubts, is confusing, and clashes with your faith in HaShem, then
don't believe in it.  Stick to the literal interpretation of the world created
in six literal days.  Because either way, the spiritual meaning of the story
of Creation is far more important than the actual physical processes through
which our world was created.  The concepts of Havdala (separation between
opposites such as Light and Darkness, Good and Evil) and the inherent
goodness of creation (at the conclusion of every day HaShem was pleased
with his creation of that day) are the essence of creation, and are relevant
for every generation, in particular ours, which is practicing such abominations
as political correctness, multiculturalism, moral equivalence, and the denial
of HaShem's rule over this world.

Otherwise, if the above vision inspires you, gives you a better appreciation,
an expansion of consciousness, affirms your belief in the sanctity and truth
of the Torah, then maybe you can consider it a pausible interpretation of
the story of creation, which agrees with the limited body of knowledge
(limited compared to HaShem's omniscience) that diligent and curious
students of physics, astronomy, archeology and biology have accumulated.

Whatever strengthens your faith---that is what you should believe.

In any event, this is all speculation and philosophizing we can discuss
at our leisure over a cup of coffee and cake after we've taken
care of more urgent and critical matters, such as eliminating the evil
Erev Rav hellenists ruling our people, after which fulfilling the commandments
of eliminating the evil Muslim Amalek beasts, purging the Temple Mount of
their abominations, and building the third and final Temple will follow
automatically and easily.
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Re: Bible Is Scientifically Accurate!!!
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2006, 07:58:16 AM »
Regarding the creation, it is not how it happened that matters, what matters is who caused it to happen, and on who that was, I think that all of our theories agree.

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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2006, 04:16:43 PM »
Can someone tell me where this idea comes from that the borders of Israel should be from the Nile to the Euphrates?  I know that When HaShem defines the land of Canaan to Abraham but the Nile was never a part of Canaan?  I have raised this issue with two Rabbis, one Orthodox and the other Lubavitch who said that the "River Egypt" was what is now the Suez Canal or the other argued that it was the river Waddi Ismailia...or South of Gaza in the North Sinai.  Can you tell me where the Nile comes from?
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.