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Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« on: December 13, 2007, 04:32:18 PM »
I'm sure many of you have heard of the Turner Diaries, but have any of you actually taken the time to read it? I myself have always been concerned to know who my enemy is. For those of you unaware of what the Turner Diaries is, here is a description.

The Turner Diaries is a 1978 novel by William Luther Pierce (under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald),[1] the late leader of the National Alliance, a white separatist organization. The novel depicts a violent racist revolutionary struggle in the United States that escalates into global genocide, leading to the extermination of all Jews and non-whites.[2] For Pierce, this was not a dystopian outcome, but rather the fulfillment of his "dream of a White world."

The novel was initially only available through mail order and at gun shows, and partially serialized in National Alliance publications. The novel is now available for sale through mainstream book sources (ISBN 1-56980-086-3), or freely available from white supremacist websites. In 2000 it was reported to have sold about 500,000 copies.[1][3]

The novel has been associated with a number of real-life violent crimes. Most notably, some have suggested that it served as the inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.

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The narrative starts with a foreword set in the year 2099, one hundred years after most, if not all, of the non-whites in the world have been killed and a white supremacist revolutionary world government has been established. The bulk of the book then quotes a recently discovered diary of a man named Earl Turner, an active member of the movement that caused these events. The book details a violent overthrow of the United States federal government by Turner and his comrades and a brutal contemporaneous race war that takes place first in North America, and then the rest of the world.

The story starts soon after the US federal government has confiscated all civilian firearms in the US under the "Cohen Act", and the "Organization" of which Turner and his cohorts are members "go underground" to launch a guerrilla war against the "System", which is depicted as the totality of the government, media, and economy that is under "Jewish control" (which equates, in the book, with support of multiculturalism).[2] The Organization starts with acts such as the bombing of FBI headquarters and continues to prosecute an ongoing, low level campaign of terrorism, assassination and economic sabotage throughout the United States. Turner's exploits lead to his initiation into the "Order", a quasi-religious inner cadre that directs the Organization and whose existence remains secret to both the System and ordinary Organization members.[2]

Eventually, the Organization seizes physical control of Southern California, including nuclear weapons at Vandenberg Air Force Base; ethnically cleanses the area of all blacks, Hispanics, and Asians; and summarily executes all Jews and "race-traitors".[2] They then use both this base of operations and their nuclear weapons to open a wider war in which they launch nuclear strikes against New York City and Israel, initiate a nuclear exchange between the US and the Soviet Union, and plant nuclear weapons and new cells throughout North America. The diary section ends with the protagonist flying an airplane equipped with an atomic bomb on a suicide mission to destroy The Pentagon, in order to eliminate the leadership of the remaining military government before it orders an assault to retake California. The novel ends with an epilogue summarizing how the Organization continued on to conquer the rest of the world and to eliminate all people of other races.[2]

[edit] Actions associated with the book

    * The Order, an early 1980s white supremacist group involved in murder, robberies and counterfeiting, was named after the group in the book and motivated by the book's scenarios for a race war. The group murdered Alan Berg and engaged in other acts of violence in order to hasten the race war described in the book. The Order's efforts later inspired another group, The New Order, which planned to commit similar crimes in an effort to start a race war that would lead to a violent revolution.[5]
    * At the time of his arrest, Timothy McVeigh, the man convicted for the Oklahoma City bombing, had a copy of The Turner Diaries in his possession. McVeigh's bombing was similar to the event described in the book where the fictional terrorist group blows up FBI headquarters.[6]
    * John William King was convicted for dragging James Byrd, an African-American, to his death in Jasper, Texas. As King shackled Byrd's legs to the back of his truck he was reported to have said, "We're going to start the Turner Diaries early."[7]
    * During the course of a federal trial relating to charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights and assault under color of law of Frank Jude Jr. in 2004 by several off-duty police officers in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, a copy of "The Turner Diaries" was found during a search of the home of one of the officers charged and later convicted.[8]
    * A copy of The Turner Diaries was found (amidst other Neo-Nazi propaganda) in the home of Jacob Robida, who attacked a gay bar and then committed suicide in 2006. [9]

The Turner Diaries was first serialized in the mid 70's in the National Alliance's tabloid paper, Attack!. The first printing in paperback was May 1978. Pierce originally set his story in the 1980s. Its reprinting (September 1980) came in a slightly altered second edition that moved the setting forward ten years. Although subsequent printings of The Turner Diaries have featured different cover art or back cover copy, they have kept to the second edition text.

In keeping with the new 1990s time frame, events in the past are generally aged by ten years, though not always. Some examples:

    * Turner's diatribe about the "long string of Marxist acts of terror 10 to 15 years ago" is changed to "20 years ago."
    * Turner's lament at the success of the System's brainwashing "these past 50 years or so" remains unchanged.
    * The Order's "nearly 58 years of existence" is increased to 68, making the date of its founding 1925, a reference to the SS.
    * Turner's astonishment at "how many dark, kinky-haired Middle Easterners have invaded this country in the last decade" is not changed.
    * The epilogue's exultation that in 1989, "exactly a century after the birth of The Great One... the dream of a White world finally became a certainty", becomes "just 110 years" after Adolf Hitler's birth.

Also to make the book fit its later date, prices are usually doubled, and sums of money are also often doubled, but not consistently. Some examples from the second chapter:

    * Turner's cell is forced to go underground with only about $37 in their pockets. The second edition changes this to $70.
    * A note by the future historian tells readers that in Turner's day, a dollar could buy "a half-kilo loaf of bread or about a quarter of a kilo of sugar." The second edition reads two dollars.
    * Another Organization cell has $200, and helps out Turner's unit with a car and $50. In the second edition, they have $400, but still give $50.
    * The price of black market gasoline doubles from $5 a gallon to $10.
    * A robbery nets Turner's unit $1426, described as enough to feed them for "more than two months." This remains unchanged.

The second edition retains one major artifact of the original setting: in the first edition, dates fall on the same day of the week as their real-world 1980s dates. The later edition does not change days of the week, putting them out of sync with their 1990s dates. Another minor change is that a short passage, where Turner's lover spots his Order pendant, is moved a few pages earlier to the end of Chapter X. The first edition also featured illustrations by Dennis Nix. Later printings dropped the illustrations, used a smaller typeface, and switched from bold to italics for emphasis.


Now some of you might think i'm crazy for purchasing the book and actually reading it. This stuff is like a bible to white supremacy movements. Take into account many Neo Nazis are gun owners, they consider themself constitutionalists (though I think that would be a contradiction considering they are mainly National Socialists), and are paranoid as hell that a Jew is the person who will ban firearms and they will start their RaHoWa (Racial Holy War). I am paranoid of losing my gun rights as well but anyways, I urge people to understand the militant background of neo nazis and this book is a great way of getting an understanding of what kind of demented fantasies they have on a civil war in the US. I've noticed more and more booths at gun shows selling the book.

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Re: Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 05:10:55 PM »
I believe it makes a nice bedtime story for klukkers.

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Re: Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 07:43:39 PM »
I've read it.

Why do you ask?

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Re: Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 07:58:06 PM »
Yes I have read it too. And many other items from (then) the National Alliance.


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Re: Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2007, 06:10:19 PM »
Oh I was just wondering what peoples opinions about it were. The first time I seen the book was at a gun show and I had just thought it was a book about government taking peoples guns, after reading a bit more into it, I was disappointed that it was a Neo Nazi propaganda book. I guess deception is an art of the Nazis.

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Re: Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2007, 08:36:47 PM »
Oh I was just wondering what peoples opinions about it were. The first time I seen the book was at a gun show and I had just thought it was a book about government taking peoples guns, after reading a bit more into it, I was disappointed that it was a Neo Nazi propaganda book. I guess deception is an art of the Nazis.

Because Dr Pierce was not a romper stomper. This is been my point all along, people have they idea Neo Nazis are Skin Heads ONLY.

Skin Heads are Sub Culture of Nazism.

Many Neo Nazi's are high ranking Business people, they control vast networks. Not like your 18-25 year old on StørmFrønt, they are 95% just crazy.

Modern Day Neo Nazi's are in Politics, government, military, law enforcement. I reckon you would walk past a Neo Nazi every day without even noticing.

They are in the business of changing governments, not the business of bashing individual Jews.

To under estimate these people you are dead wrong. You must look past and understand their gaols.

They see Jews controlling media, laws, economies. They focus on these areas.

Most here in this section is focusing on the public and every minor side of White Nationalism.

Ron Paul great example of a modern day White Nationalist.




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Re: Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2007, 08:49:34 PM »
Re:  "...I was just wondering what peoples opinions about it were..."

I found its style to be written as if by a Junior High School student.

Difficult for me to believe that Pierce, the Ph.D., actually composed and authored it.

Also:  I am always most cynical whenever reading a news report stating that "Federal Agents", when conducting a search for evidence in a "suspects" place of residence, found a copy of some book; as if possession of "a bad book" is proof of guilt in whatever crime the aforementioned "suspect" is alleged to have committed.

Furthermore, I can testify from first hand personal experience that all law enforcement agents can and will be more than happy to "produce" before the gullible and trusting public all the "evidence" which they can find while conducting a search far from the eyes of any witnesses who might contradict the veracity of their statements.

Firearms, military weapons, heroin, marijuana, murder weapons, etc. are easily "uncovered" during routine searches of innocent as well as guilty parties suspected of crimes.

Police going public with "a copy of The Turner Diaries" on the evening news show is all that is necessary for anyone of Caucasian ancestry to be considered "guilty as charged of racist motivations" in the minds of the public.

It really doesn't matter if the suspect denies under oath ever owning or reading any books, or if a suspect denies under oath ever using or possessing drugs, because two or three uniformed law enforcement officials will gladly testify falsely under oath that the suspect is a liar and a criminal.

Example:  Shortly after Bush the Elder raved and ranted on television that "General Manuel Noriega is worse than Hitler!!!", he ordered a full scale U.S. invasion of Panama.

After arresting General Noriega and wreaking havoc on that tiny nation, the Pentagon announced that "they had found a copy of Mein Kampf in Noriega's bookshelf!" (as if that was proof positive that Noriega worshipped and emulated Hitler, and that the U.S. military action was completely justified).

The same Bush the Elder, when building his "case" to attack Iraq after it occupied its neighbor Kuwait, went on TV before the American public and stated "Saddam Hussein is worse than Hitler".

Following the script, Bill Clinton built his "case" for bombing the Christian Serbs of Yugoslavia (simultaneously creating a distraction from his Monica Lewinsky affair) by stating to the American people on TV that "Milosovic is the New Hitler!".




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Re: Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2007, 12:41:13 AM »
Just wait for "The Newman Diaries" to come out. All the muSSlims are hanging from lamp posts in it. :D

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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2008, 07:09:55 AM »
We need a well written Turner diaries for Israel in Hebrew. We can make olmert the evil person in the group and make some kahanists the revolutionaries that save Israel
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Re: Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2008, 08:47:22 AM »
I read it too; it's true vison of America governed by NWO/New Age elites exept from anti Jew paranoia and rampant rascim. The way it portray the downtowns overuned by ape like behaving trash is too true although the book was written in seventies. 
P.S. there is such book already it's caled Bible. Read the Josue, or Machabean books. ;)
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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Re: Turner Diaries: Anyone read it?
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2008, 01:52:07 PM »
Waiting for the the new book "the Newman tales"[Gotta be careful of copyright laws!] ;)