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Is this place Kosher?
takebackourtemple:
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--- Quote from: jdl4ever on December 31, 2007, 03:56:54 PM ---Well, theoretically he can show up on Sabbath and step into the kitchen to simply observe that they are not fooling around so they fear that he may do this.
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Is this permissable Shabbat? Since it is his actual job to do this?
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A rabbi does his job of running Shabbat services on Shabbat. Paperwork for the rest of the week just has to just be juggled so he doesn't get paid for what is done on Shabbat even though that is really what he is being paid for. Perhaps there is something similar for the Hashgucha?
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on December 31, 2007, 04:47:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 31, 2007, 04:09:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on December 31, 2007, 03:56:54 PM ---Well, theoretically he can show up on Sabbath and step into the kitchen to simply observe that they are not fooling around so they fear that he may do this.
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Is this permissable Shabbat? Since it is his actual job to do this?
--- End quote ---
A rabbi does his job of running Shabbat services on Shabbat. Paperwork for the rest of the week just has to just be juggled so he doesn't get paid for what is done on Shabbat even though that is really what he is being paid for. Perhaps there is something similar for the Hashgucha?
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good answer..as long as he isn't getting paid on that day and he isn't writing anything etc etc..
but still, i don't think it's right for a kosher restaurant to be open on shabbat unless it is connected to the synogogue.
however here is my other question. If it is run by gentiles and it is connected by teh synogogue and it isn't being authorized by another Jew, can they themselves kindle the fire themselves and serve this hot food to Jews?
takebackourtemple:
Often synagogues use non-jewish people to operate lights and air conditioners on Shabbat. Whether fire and electricity are the same is another issue though so if they are different, the case of using a shabbat goy does not apply.
My big question is whether a Jew really has to be involved for the food to be kosher. If a non-jew was able to perform the role of a mashgiach to the extent of how the torah commands the food to be prepared, could that possibly suffice? The biblical laws could all be followed by someone of another religion, but could all of the rabbinical ones be followed? If not, which ones.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on December 31, 2007, 07:56:26 PM --- Often synagogues use non-jewish people to operate lights and air conditioners on Shabbat. Whether fire and electricity are the same is another issue though so if they are different, the case of using a shabbat goy does not apply.
My big question is whether a Jew really has to be involved for the food to be kosher. If a non-jew was able to perform the role of a mashgiach to the extent of how the torah commands the food to be prepared, could that possibly suffice? The biblical laws could all be followed by someone of another religion, but could all of the rabbinical ones be followed? If not, which ones.
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i shoudl add another point about shabbos goys. Isn't written that everyone in one's household including the "slave" be put to rest on shabbat? I mean a shabbos goy is not a slave, but is still an employee of that Jewish household. It only makes sense that he/she doesn't work either.
Shlomo:
You just need to check if they have a certificate hanging on the wall. Usually they will display it.
And there's an Indian food place that's kosher here that is open on Shabbat because the owner isn't Jewish but passed his kosher tests. A Jewish person has to light the pilots on the oven, I think. It's a vegetarian place since a lot of Hindus eat there. They have the certificate hanging up by the door and lot of Orthodox people eat there.
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