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The Correct Pronunciation of Hebrew
q_q_:
no difference between the th in bath and the th in thermal. Just that I used the thermal example because there the th is at the beginning of a syllable.
What about the Waw letter. (that most people call vav!)
I guess it only gets the W sound at the time when it is pronounced. The time when ashkenazim and Sefaradim pronounce it V. So, do you say WeShamru?
Shuruk is OOOO, right?
So, *Sue*Cot. (or, suecoth rather)
ShoeShan purim not Shuhshan purim.
Did you say there was no D sound?
So the echad in the Shema. Daled with no dot. That, you pronounce like the Th in The.
What about the Daled with a dot?
Do Sefaradim prounce tzereh and segol as eh and eh ?
When you say short a - rat. Long a, father. Do you mean ah vs ar ?
`cos father is pronounced, Far Thur
and Rat is pronounced like At.
You can have a longer a of that kind, like angle.
I don`t see one as short and one as long.
TIA
q_q_:
a book I have "how the hebrew language grew" defines
T,D,Th as dental
S,Z,Sh as sibilant
B,V,M,P,F as labial / lip letters
K,G(hard),Y, as palatial
other categories too.
It says tzaddik used to be pronounced with an S. So, I guess like the s in sand. I guess it is saying there is no tz. Do you agree with that in your pronounciation?
You have referred to a palatial D,DH,S,T . I do not know what that means ? (what the DH is , and what D,S,T sound like in another category)
Or where you are learning your definition of palatial.. I got my definition from the book "how the hebrew langauge grew". I would go into more detail now if I could.. but i have to get out the house now
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Dexter on January 08, 2008, 12:05:17 AM ---What is "palatial" T ?
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Palatial means a sound that it made on the palate. I don't know the Hebrew word for palate. But Palate means the top of the mouth so a Palatial T is a T that is made not by the tongue hitting the teeth like a regular T, but by the tongue hitting the top of the mouth.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 08, 2008, 02:41:33 AM ---
What about the Waw letter. (that most people call vav!)
I guess it only gets the W sound at the time when it is pronounced. The time when ashkenazim and Sefaradim pronounce it V. So, do you say WeShamru?
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Yes, we always pronounce a waw as a w, never as a v. The Vav is completely incorrect.
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 08, 2008, 02:41:33 AM ---
Shuruk is OOOO, right?
So, *Sue*Cot. (or, suecoth rather)
ShoeShan purim not Shuhshan purim.
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Yes.
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 08, 2008, 02:41:33 AM ---
Did you say there was no D sound?
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No, I said there is no Palatial D or Palatial DH in Hebrew as there is in Arabic. But there is a regular D and DH.
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 08, 2008, 02:41:33 AM ---
So the echad in the Shema. Daled with no dot. That, you pronounce like the Th in The.
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Yes, in fact, the Gemara and the Shulchan Aruch quotes this as halakha lemaase, that one should lenghthen the Daleth in echad. Obviously one cannot lengthen a D sound. You just end up saying daaaaaaaaa. Which cannot be correct. But Th as in the can be lengthened until your breath runs out. So obviously finding the correct pronunciation is required by the Shulchan Aruch itself.
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 08, 2008, 02:41:33 AM ---
What about the Daled with a dot?
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Pronounced as a regular D.
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 08, 2008, 02:41:33 AM ---
Do Sefaradim prounce tzereh and segol as eh and eh ?
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Yes. They make no distinction between the two.
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 08, 2008, 02:41:33 AM ---
When you say short a - rat. Long a, father. Do you mean ah vs ar ?
`cos father is pronounced, Far Thur
and Rat is pronounced like At.
You can have a longer a of that kind, like angle.
I don`t see one as short and one as long.
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Ok, the hebrew term is katan not short so you should be ok.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 08, 2008, 02:50:54 AM ---a book I have "how the hebrew language grew" defines
T,D,Th as dental
S,Z,Sh as sibilant
B,V,M,P,F as labial / lip letters
K,G(hard),Y, as palatial
other categories too.
It says tzaddik used to be pronounced with an S. So, I guess like the s in sand. I guess it is saying there is no tz. Do you agree with that in your pronounciation?
You have referred to a palatial D,DH,S,T . I do not know what that means ? (what the DH is , and what D,S,T sound like in another category)
Or where you are learning your definition of palatial.. I got my definition from the book "how the hebrew langauge grew". I would go into more detail now if I could.. but i have to get out the house now
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A Tsadi is a Palatial S, as I said before.
The only way I will be able to explain a palatial sound to you is by doing it myself and sending you the audio. I am working on a ten minute video for this purpose. I will let you know when I'm done.
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