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Rubystars:
I don't think faith should ever be placed in other people entirely, faith should only be directed toward God, but in this world I would suggest that you don't turn away those who sincerely want to help.
Nolandforshalom:
--- Quote from: Rubystars on January 08, 2008, 09:03:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Nolandforshalom on January 08, 2008, 08:59:22 PM ---While it is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that doesnt mean that he is my friend forever. The Crusades we a Catholic invention, as was the inquisition. We must not forget, nor forgive, the past. We are meant for great things, and this is why the world hates us. We cannot stop the world from hating us, and I trust more in G-d than I ever will in the Vatican, or anyone else for that matter.
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I believe that most Christians who would join this sort of forum are your true friends. Christians in America in particular are very favorable toward Israel, perhaps not so much in the rest of the world though.
As for the RCC, it labeled plenty of Christians as heretics and murdered them as well. I'm non-denom, so I would have been killed right along with everyone else if those kind of nutcases were in power now.
I don't like the RCC but I know that many Catholics themselves are nice people even if I don't agree with their theology.
I think the reason Chaim said not to bash Catholics is that not all of them are evil, and some are sincere in their support of Israel and those sincere people should be welcomed. I can't, of course, speak for anyone else, but that was the impression I got.
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My point is not to unilaterally trust Gentiles because they say they want to help. Only we know we will not betray ourselves, and besides that and G-d, we cannot say for sure who to trust. We cannot for sure say who wants to help, which is why we must place Jewish help first.
Lisa:
Nolandforshalom, I think there is a difference between accepting help from good gentiles vs. depending on America over G-d. So if I'm not being clear, Chaim accepts the support of all good people, but he insists that Jews do their part and not act like victims. If Jews stood up for themselves then the views of the RCC would be irrelevant.
Rubystars:
Chaim is constantly talking about how Jews have betrayed Jews. I don't really want to get into that myself though.
The only one you can trust not to betray you is God.
Nolandforshalom:
My stance, as was the stance of Rav Kahane, is that the Jews that do care must defend those that do not. I however, respect Chaim's opinion. Chaim, would agree, that not Jews have hurt Jews more than fellow Jews, and regardless, we are commanded to love our fellow Jew, no matter what.
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