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Nolandforshalom:
--- Quote from: ItalianZionist on January 09, 2008, 09:33:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Nolandforshalom on January 09, 2008, 08:59:14 PM ---Yes, and he also Requires Jews to stick together. Is it not obvious by reading a Tanakh that we stick together against the Gentiles?
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So Noland...In the entire history of the Jews no gentiles have ever helped Jews. I haven't read all your posts on this thread, but are you saying that you do not want any help from any gentiles? What about the Serbs and some Danes during world war 2?...what about the founding fathers of America who have been proven to be zionists?....and the countless AMerican servicemen (not Roosevelt or the generals) who were horrified of the Nazi brutality and gave their LIVES DESTROYING the nazis....IF NOT FOR THEM THAN THE NAZIS WOULD BE RULING THE EARTH AT THIS MOMENT..
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I absolutely did not say we should refuse all Gentile Help. that would be absurd. I only believe in receiving said help, either in extreme circumstances, such as HaShoah, or from trusted Gentiles.
jdl4ever:
It is forbidden to rely primarily on Gentiles to help us as ancient Israel relied on an alliance with Egypt to save them, but it is not forbidden (and I might add a great thing) to have alliances with righteous Gentiles but relying primarily on ourselves and G-d in the forefront. The proof is that Israel's salvation through the second temple era came through the King of a Gentile Nation and through him Nechamia the Prophet got to Israel and accomplished his mission. But before him and even before Ezra, the simple Jew Zerubabel led the first group of Jews to Israel on his own and G-d gives him the credit of building the Temple "and he [Zerubabel] will bring out the corner stone [of the temple] with shouts of "favor favor on to it"".
Boeregeneraal:
I don't think Chaim would approve of this
jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: Nolandforshalom on January 09, 2008, 10:38:06 PM ---I absolutely did not say we should refuse all Gentile Help. that would be absurd. I only believe in receiving said help, either in extreme circumstances, such as HaShoah, or from trusted Gentiles.
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Well, that's a crazy ideology.
Nolandforshalom:
Why? I dont wish to see my people killed. Is anything truly crazy when fighting against the enemy that we are? Islam will not rest, and we must be careful who helps us. I dont want a suicide bomb in the middle of a fund raiser.
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