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ultra-Orthodox Jews against Isarel. What does Chaim say?
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 08:58:39 PM ---First of all, learning about all the crimes commited by the secular agains't the Torah and agains't the Jewish people, who can blame any Jew not wanting to do anything with the State?
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Because the second and first Jewish commonwealths had evil kings who did MUCH worse than the early zionists. And yet the Rambam praises their kingdom, tzvi.
This is because the Rambam is smart.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 09:06:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 08:58:39 PM ---First of all, learning about all the crimes commited by the secular agains't the Torah and agains't the Jewish people, who can blame any Jew not wanting to do anything with the State?
--- End quote ---
Because the second and first Jewish commonwealths had evil kings who did MUCH worse than the early zionists. And yet the Rambam praises their kingdom, tzvi.
This is because the Rambam is smart.
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You would have to state a proof and text from the Rambam.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 09:12:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 09:06:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 08:58:39 PM ---First of all, learning about all the crimes commited by the secular agains't the Torah and agains't the Jewish people, who can blame any Jew not wanting to do anything with the State?
--- End quote ---
Because the second and first Jewish commonwealths had evil kings who did MUCH worse than the early zionists. And yet the Rambam praises their kingdom, tzvi.
This is because the Rambam is smart.
--- End quote ---
You would have to state a proof and text from the Rambam.
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הִלְכּוֹת חֲנֻכָּה פֵּרֶק ג
א בְּבַיִת שֵׁנִי כְּשֶׁמָּלְכוּ יָוָן, גָּזְרוּ גְּזֵרוֹת עַל יִשְׂרָאֵל, וּבִטְּלוּ דָּתָם, וְלֹא הִנִּיחוּ אוֹתָם לַעְסֹק בַּתּוֹרָה וּבַמִּצְווֹת; וּפָשְׁטוּ יָדָם בְּמָמוֹנָם, וּבִבְנוֹתֵיהֶם; וְנִכְנְסוּ לַהֵיכָל, וּפָרְצוּ בּוֹ פְּרָצוֹת, וְטִמְּאוּ הַטְּהָרוֹת. וְצַר לָהֶם לְיִשְׂרָאֵל מְאוֹד מִפְּנֵיהֶם, וּלְחָצוּם לַחַץ גָּדוֹל, עַד שֶׁרִחַם עֲלֵיהֶם אֱלֹהֵי אֲבוֹתֵינוּ, וְהוֹשִׁיעָם מִיָּדָם. וְגָבְרוּ בְּנֵי חַשְׁמֻנַּאי הַכּוֹהֲנִים הַגְּדוֹלִים, וַהֲרָגוּם וְהוֹשִׁיעוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל מִיָּדָם; וְהִעְמִידוּ מֶלֶךְ מִן הַכּוֹהֲנִים, וְחָזְרָה מַלְכוּת לְיִשְׂרָאֵל יָתֵר עַל מָאתַיִם שָׁנָה--עַד הֶחָרְבָּן הַשֵּׁנִי.
Here it is.
Read it and weep.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
Someone would have to translate.
judeanoncapta:
The last line is."The Hasmoneans overpowered the greeks and saved Israel and the Kingship was restored to Israel for over two hundred years."
The Kingdom of Israel?!??!?!
Two hundred years?!?!?!?!
Think who he is including as Kingdom of Israel.
Alexander yannai, Antipater, Herod.
Some of the most evil kings in Israels history. Just as bad if not worse than today's leftists.
He includes them as Kingdom of Israel because he is smart enough to realize that any Jewish state is better than no Jewish state.
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